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Sunday, December 3, 2017 9:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Because we can't do shit about NK and its missiles, or China and it's economy. And talking about those real issues will only needlessly upset the people at home.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 7:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Because we can't do shit about NK and its missiles, or China and it's economy. - KIKI

Hey! You're finally right about something! Trump sure can't do sh*t about NK or China.= GSTRING



Actually, he can and he is as far as China is concerned. The entity that is helpless to do anything is OUR MILITARY, because neither one of these problems is amenable to a military solution.

China is a trade and economy problem. Previous Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, have sold our economy downriver, floating the USA on a sea of trade, personal, and government debt to ease/delay the impact. Bush and Obama pulled the pins on a series of grenades when they bailed out the banks and allowed the Fed to float the elite and blow a bunch of speculative bubbles with a zero-interest policy. Meanwhile, regular people are suffering for lack of jobs.

Yanno what I personally found instructive from 2008? In an extended discussion about happiness ... just before the collapse ... GEEZER and I were debating the happiest country in the world. At the time, it was Iceland. Yes, people were EXTREMELY happy there. You should look up what has happened to Iceland since. On the other had, you can keep your head buried in the sand.

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NK is a diplomatic problem. According to experts, they've achieved the technological development required to build a nuclear-tipped missile which can reach most of the continental USA. All of that bluster, hand-wringing and sanctions over the last 15 years has not slowed NK's drive towards a nuclear weapon. Inf act, the USA's successive destruction of multiple nations since 2000 has only propelled the NK project forward.

Do you know what I find interesting about the last missile test? Not that it went 4500 km up, not that it COULD reach Wash DC if aimed for maximum distance. I found TWO things very interesting about the laucnh

1) None of those fancy THADD anti-missile missiles that we deployed in the area brought that missile down. They weren't even fired. WHY??

2) The missile landed very close to Japan. That speaks to very good targeting by the NK, since shooting a missile up into the air is a little like shooting an arrow up into the air: One teeny-tint wobble, and your missile has landed on Japan proper, and not into the nearby ocean.

Curiously, when asked what the NK's want, a former diplomat said that they wanted

1) To formally end the Korean War with a peace treaty, not a cessation of hostilities and

2) To be negotiated with on equal footing, and not to be bullied and hectored by the west.

Wow, such simple things. And none of the can be accomplished by the military. What's a neocon to do??? (sigh) GSTRING, since YOU'RE a neocon, maybe you can tell us?



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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Apparently SECOND, THUGR, GSTRING are all willing to get huffy about partisan issues, but none of them are willing to discuss REAL WORLD events, where issues like debt and military technology are important.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"Pentagon To Deploy THAAD Anti-Missile Systems On West Coast To Protect Against North Korean ICBM Attack"

Yes, because they worked so well in S Korea!
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Monday, December 4, 2017 11:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by G:

Stacking the sh*t as high as the sky I see. You sound like you're actually quoting Trump po-LIE-c, yes? Unemployment is low, and has been. It's at the point (below 5%) where it's an indicator that businesses can't find enough people to work. You're "Jobs!" mantra is as bad and misleading as all the other one word fart bombs you and the Republican Loyalists drop every chance they're in a closed space with more than 2 people. "Hillary!" "Obama!" "Freedom!" Fortunate for you but unfortunate for the country, there are plenty of stupid people that will believe you.



The job market is shit. The Trump Administration taking any credit for, or even saying that it is good is a like just like when Obama was saying it. Stop throwing out the government bullshit percentage numbers.

There are plenty of shitty minimum wage or close jobs out there now. A lot of the real jobs that you could support yourself on without government assistance are gone. Either to automation or cheaper labor overseas.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 4, 2017 3:07 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


Kiki, Siggy, you two valiant information warriors can try and deflect away from Russia all you want, the heat's not coming off Trump any time soon.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 5:53 PM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Because we can't do shit about NK and its missiles, or China and it's economy. And talking about those real issues will only needlessly upset the people at home.



Brian Ross NOW thinks the same thing...he's now taken up knitting.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The job market is shit.



Your experience is different than other people's, even in your own state:

Indiana is nearing its lowest unemployment rate ever

https://www.indystar.com/story/money/2017/07/21/indiana-nearing-its-lo
west-unemployment-rate-ever/500488001
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Indiana's jobless rate tumbled for the fourth consecutive month in June, putting the state within reach of its record low.

The number of unemployed workers in Indiana fell by 6,515 people, or 0.2 percentage points, bringing the state's unemployment rate down to 3 percent. Indiana could soon match or beat its all-time low of 2.9 percent, which was last reached in October 2000.

Since the last time Indiana enjoyed record-low unemployment, the state's jobless rate ballooned to as high as 10.9 percent during the Great Recession. It has been steadily falling since March 2010 — outpacing the national recovery.

Indiana's unemployment rate during the past year fell by 1.5 percentage points, the second-fastest in the U.S. to Wyoming (1.6 percentage points). The U.S. unemployment rate is 4.4 percent.

Even as most out-of-work Indiana residents are finding job opportunities, though, wage growth has remained sluggish in Indiana. The state has consistently lagged U.S. wage growth during the recovery.

Personal income in Indiana grew by 0.7 percent between the fourth quarter of 2016 and first quarter of this year, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. That was the ninth-slowest growth in the U.S.

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There is nothing in that blurb you stated that refutes anything I said.

Personal income "raising" by 1.4% in a half a year doesn't even match the 2% needed to match the governments lowball 4% estimation of inflation.

Once again, another article that completely avoids talking about how many people are now working part time jobs for less money than they used to make as well, and doesn't take into account nearly 10 years of lost wages either.

Go figure.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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There is nothing in that blurb you stated that refutes anything I said. - SIX

You said "The job market is shit." That article says in your state it's never been better. Can't be both. I totally understand that raw data can be slanted or misread and misused - do you have some facts, details or other info other than your "feels" to back up that it's "shit?"- G



Yanno, GSTRING, if you were the least teeny-tiny bit interested in finding out what's really going on you'd already know what's wrong with the unemployment figures because it's been discussed many, many, many times before.

CLEARLY, you don't give a crap about being laid off or eking out a living as a free-lancer. My guess is that you're working in your daddy's company in a comfy middle-management niche where you can while away the hours posting on Firefly and endlessly checking your Twitter feed. But be that as it may ...

The big problems with the official unemployment figure is that it excludes anyone who is no longer looking for a job ("discouraged worker") and it INCLUDES as "employed" anyone who is working for even one hour a month, even if they need a full-time job. In addition, these figures are developed from a population of 60,000 households which are sampled over and over again; nobody seems to have questioned whether this frequent "sampling" affects the population's behavior.
https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

Just ponder the other's person's situation for a moment, if it's at all possible for you to consider how the average American manages to get along.

They could be officially earning something like $12 a month as an Uber driver, and still be officially "employed".

In addition, because Obamacare exempts anyone who works less than 30 hours a week from mandated coverage, many employers have specifically geared their positions to be something less than 30 hours a week.

There are many other ways of measuring the job market, and almost any one of them would be better than the "official" figure. There, in fact, six different OFFICIAL measures of unemployment https://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm but only the most positive one is reported.

In addition, there are "proof of the pudding" measures. In other words, if the employment situation is so damn positive, then employer competition for workers should show up in wage increases, and if so many people are gainfully and sustainably employed then welfare payments should go down and poverty should decrease. Is any of that happening? If so, does it make up for the losses incurred in 2008-2016?

Which is why I always say ...

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 11:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, I guess G has nothing to say about unemployment.

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Yanno STINKY, if you were the tiniest bit interested in understanding what I actually posted you'd find out where I got my numbers ...
Yanno STUPID, if you were READ my post with the teeniest bit of comprehension, you;d have noticed that the "unemployment rate" which your article references is a BOGUS FIGURE, designed to plaster lipstick on a pig.

And as the article that YOU posted goes on to say ...
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Even as most out-of-work Indiana residents are finding job opportunities, though, wage growth has remained sluggish in Indiana.
Which means that employment is not so hot in Indiana.

It doesn't matter "where" you got that info from ... whether you get them from a paper in Indiana or Washington DC, bad metrics are bad metrics.

But hey! LETS'S FOCUS ON RUSSIA!

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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"Even as most out-of-work Indiana residents are finding job opportunities, though, wage growth has remained sluggish in Indiana." ... but having a job is what counts


BECAUSE, as I posted before, you can work for one hour that month and still be counted as "employed".

"Having a job" is NOT "all that counts", if that job only pays you $100/ week and comes without benefits. I lived thru that, I have a very close relative who's struggling with that (and to whom I regularly send "care packages"), and a lot of other people on the board are dealing with that situation right now. And you would know about it too, if you ever had to face the reality of being underemployed, Mr. 0.01%.

Sheesh, you sound as if income doesn't matter! Talk about being disconnected from reality,

But, by all means, YOU focus on Russia. Apparently you don't have anything more important to think about.



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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 11:36 PM

WISHIMAY

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DOWN WITH TRUMP, DOWN WITH RUSSIA
DOWN WITH TRUMP, DOWN WITH RUSSIA
DOWN WITH TRUMP, DOWN WITH RUSSIA


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Wednesday, December 6, 2017 11:54 PM

WISHIMAY

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


CLEARLY, you don't give a crap about being laid off or eking out a living as a free-lancer. My guess is that you're working in your daddy's company in a comfy middle-management niche where you can while away the hours posting on Firefly and endlessly checking your Twitter feed. But be that as it may ...




REALLY, You're gonna bitch about HIM being here to much when YOU NEVER SHUT THE HELL UP??? But then, he isn't paid to troll...

Sorry,
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Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Did I hear WISHY's voice echoing from the bottom of a barrel? Something about ..."usher"??

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I have a job now. Compared to my last one, it's actually pretty good. I've learned to accept that this is probably my new life. Since I don't need much to survive, I can make do and actually save for a new car.

My take home pay will be around $400-$500, every two weeks. There are no health benefits, there is no vacation. I used to work 12 hour shifts and make that in 2 to 3 nights.

When I was laid off in 2009, I was making nearly $60k a year. I had 5 weeks vacation, health insurance, profit sharing, yearly company stock options, $2.5k a year shift differential for overnight work.


I'm actually at a company that should stick around for a while and seems to actually have room for advancement. I will likely never make what I used to make, but it's possible I might one day be able to get back up to $40k a year with some of those benefits back. I will have to work a hell of a lot harder for that money though, and I will have to manage employees, which is something I never did before.



Sure.... I got a job. I'm helping raise the employment numbers. But my job is paying roughly $45-$50k a year less than I used to make when you factor in all of the lost benefits on top of compensation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I find it funny that a Democrat is arguing against me about employment numbers, especially with Trump as president. WTF is going on?

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:53 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


OMG...someone said JOB and 6ix automatically thinks they MUST be talking about him, right?

Doesn't have a clue it had nothing to do with him. Just has to talk about himself in any capacity

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:54 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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"Even as most out-of-work Indiana residents are finding job opportunities, though, wage growth has remained sluggish in Indiana." ... but having a job is what counts


BECAUSE, as I posted before, you can work for one hour that month and still be counted as "employed".



Who The F*ck works for an hour a month??? Talk about manipulating data/facts to prove a slanted agenda. You're such a habitual "fudger" of reality that you don't even know you're doing it - it's become a reflex for you.

Here's some more slant:

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Having a job" is NOT "all that counts", if that job only pays you $100/ week and comes without benefits.



$100 a week?????? What job would that be? A 40 hour job? a 1 hour job? Who would work a 40 hour job that only paid $100?? Please explain that pile of STINKY BS.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I lived thru that, I have a very close relative who's struggling with that (and to whom I regularly send "care packages"), and a lot of other people on the board are dealing with that situation right now. And you would know about it too, if you ever had to face the reality of being underemployed, Mr. 0.01%.



Serious question: How would you know what I've lived through? I expect an answer. Not answering will show you lie like Trump. Answering will show you make negative ass-umptions (lies) because that's the only way you can hope to make your lame ass points.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But, by all means, YOU focus on Russia.



Ummmm, hon, did you not notice that YOUR comrade Kiki started this thread - did you see the title? "Let's focus on Russia!" Can you make yourself look any more idiotic? I don't think so!

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G, lets remember sig forgets she is in Russia. That what she posts applies there not here.


T

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:57 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
OMG...someone said JOB and 6ix automatically thinks they MUST be talking about him, right?

Doesn't have a clue it had nothing to do with him. Just has to talk about himself in any capacity



Jack does that all the time. Especially to SECOND. He gets pissed because SECOND tries to move on. He expects a response so what SECOND posts confuses and upsets him. His thinking is fussy, and that's being generous.


T

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Second can't deal with the fact that I've been shutting him down left and right. At least most of the time he just doesn't reply anymore, rather than quoting one sentence of what I've said and then posting a completely unrelated article.

Second doesn't debate. Second just talks to himself. He's said so several times himself.



All you and Wishy do T is throw baseless insults all of the time. Your ability to debate leaves a lot to be desired as well.



And by the way Wishy, we've been talking about jobs in here for quite a while. Unless you have anything worthwhile to add, please go back under your bridge.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second can't deal with the fact that I've been shutting him down left and right. At least most of the time he just doesn't reply anymore, rather than quoting one sentence of what I've said and then posting a completely unrelated article.

Second doesn't debate. Second just talks to himself. He's said so several times himself.



All you and Wishy do T is throw baseless insults all of the time. Your ability to debate leaves a lot to be desired as well.



And by the way Wishy, we've been talking about jobs in here for quite a while. Unless you have anything worthwhile to add, please go back under your bridge.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Delusional Jack, you are delusional.

T

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Oh. Okay.

Nothing to reply but insults again, I see.

This is how it's going to be from now on then, huh T?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:44 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh. Okay.

Nothing to reply but insults again, I see.

This is how it's going to be from now on then, huh T?

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Here's an insight Jack. Recently you said you had posted really intelligent things. Recently Jack, you said recently. That is an admission that what you had been posting was not. So Jack, go back and reread the crap of the past and you will see it's as dumb as the shit you are posting currently.



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Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Recently as in for the last nearly full year since I've been sober... Yanno, how nobody can forget that I used to be a drunk since you bring it up every 4 posts or so.

I back up any post I've written in 2017.

Care to try posting again to me without an insult, T?


I'm beginning to think that it's impossible for you to do.

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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"Even as most out-of-work Indiana residents are finding job opportunities, though, wage growth has remained sluggish in Indiana." ... but having a job is what counts- G

BECAUSE, as I posted before, you can work for one hour that month and still be counted as "employed". - SIGNY

Who The F*ck works for an hour a month???

Someone who can't find any other job. People in the "gig" economy: Uber, Lyft, TaskRabbit. Yanno, people who don't have any other options. People YOU apparently wouldn't know anything about, in your very comfortable life.

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Talk about manipulating data/facts to prove a slanted agenda.
Bullshit. I'm simply repeating WHAT THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATS says about its own metrics.
You?
You're just a liar.

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You're such a habitual "fudger" of reality that you don't even know you're doing it - it's become a reflex for you.- G
Yes, indeed: You are.

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Here's some more slant:

Quote:

"Having a job" is NOT "all that counts", if that job only pays you $100/ week and comes without benefits.- SIGNY


$100 a week?????? What job would that be? A 40 hour job? a 1 hour job? Who would work a 40 hour job that only paid $100??

Damnit G, are you being stupid ON PURPOSE??? I KNOW people who're making only $100 a week. NO, it's not a 40-hour job! That's the point! Barristas. Walmart greeters. Part-timers. "Independent contractors" and "freelancers". People who work in nursing homes. Lawn-mowers. People on Social Security who need to make a money under the table. There are hundreds and hundreds of kinds of jobs that are part time, where the pay is very low and/or unreliable.

I PERSONALLY know a person who worked in security who only got "overflow" work. Someone who worked as a freelance technical editor who got about four or five papers a month. Another person who was a part-timer at a florist shop. Yet another person who worked at an adult daycare center. A motorcycle mechanic who was regularly unemployed in winter. A homeless man who does gardening for $100. An under-the-table oddjobber/ handyman.

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Please explain that pile of STINKY BS.
Yes indeed, please explain YOUR pile of stinky BS.

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I lived thru that, I have a very close relative who's struggling with that (and to whom I regularly send "care packages"), and a lot of other people on the board are dealing with that situation right now. And you would know about it too, if you ever had to face the reality of being underemployed, Mr. 0.01%.- SIGNY

Serious question: How would you know what I've lived through? I expect an answer. Not answering will show you lie like Trump. Answering will show you make negative ass-umptions (lies) because that's the only way you can hope to make your lame ass points.- GSTRING

Because IF YOU HAD LIVED THRU HAVING TO EKE OUT A LIVING ON MINIMAL PART TIME JOBS, you wouldn't question their existence. Since I know people PERSONALLY who're living thru that situation right now, I know for a fact that they do exist.

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But, by all means, YOU focus on Russia.- SIGNY

Ummmm, hon, did you not notice that YOUR comrade Kiki started this thread - did you see the title? "Let's focus on Russia!" Can you make yourself look any more idiotic? I don't think so!- GSTRING

Can YOU make yourself look more idiotic? Please don't pretend that this was a non-ironic title, because you'll either look very very stupid, or you'll look like a liar. (I vote for "liar" because I know for a fact that you are.)

All you've shown yourself to be is someone who is vastly removed from the travails and insecurities of ordinary life. So removed, you don't know anybody like that. So removed, you can't even accept that it happens. Really, I have no idea what kind of world you live in, but it's very, very insulated from real life because you don't know .... and don't even see (or think about)... the marginally employed.


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Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Second doesn't debate. Second just talks to himself. He's said so several times himself.

And I will say again that scarcely one man in a hundred is worth disputing with. Let the 99% remainder say what they please, for every one is at liberty to be a fool**. La paix vaut encore mieux que la verite.

http://coolhaus.de/art-of-controversy/erist38.htm

** 6ixStringJack, Signym, and 1kiki

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:29 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Recently as in for the last nearly full year since I've been sober... Yanno, how nobody can forget that I used to be a drunk since you bring it up every 4 posts or so.

I back up any post I've written in 2017.

Care to try posting again to me without an insult, T?


I'm beginning to think that it's impossible for you to do.




Sure, I'll just post something from another thread addressing the issue of insulting posts towards others.

Ready

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Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I've been giving extremely intelligent replies around here lately, and unlike the people who regularly attack me, I don't throw the insults back at them and I try to keep it civil.



Really???

Jack:

"You'll have to answer that question for us, G. Which birthday did you just celebrate between the OP and this last post? Your 16th, or your 18th?"

"Were all the men in your family pieces of shit?"

"Do YOU think for yourself, or do you just let the MSM do all of your thinking for you now?"

"I figured this thread would get the troll to crawl out from whatever bridge she's been hiding under in those deep south Indiana bogs she shares with the other inbred hill people from Wrong Turn."

"G is free to feel as much guilt and shame as he wants to feel for being a male..."

"…She can't even give her husband a break. Even though he gives her bung sex which she craves..."

"Flame on, ultra-bitch."

"This thread title and the OP that followed it were childish."

Maybe you should take your own advice: "Check yourself before you wreck yourself, princess."

==============================



All this from the guy who's posted to many times to count that others insult him but he insults no one. To funny G, to funny.

What a moron and liar this guy is. What do you suppose he'll say in response to these facts G. I'm thinking he'll deal with them much the same way as he deals with facts about Trump.




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Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Second doesn't debate. Second just talks to himself. He's said so several times himself.

And I will say again that scarcely one man in a hundred is worth disputing with. Let the 99% remainder say what they please, for every one is at liberty to be a fool**. La paix vaut encore mieux que la verite.

http://coolhaus.de/art-of-controversy/erist38.htm

** 6ixStringJack, Signym, and 1kiki



Your link leads to some very insightful thoughts.


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Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:45 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Every sentence you type is STINKY make believe fantasy land. I used to be a waiter, 5 years, remember? Or do you only keep track of what you say? And because I know people too - some people don't want to work more. They're ok with working less and making less. JUST ASK JACK. You think he's working a 40 hour week for that $250 a week? No? So he has time for another job if he wants to - and there are jobs to be had. It's not easy, it's not fun, applying for work is even a little scary for some people, but they are there.
You've argued yourself into a corner again. = GSTRING

Not at all.

First of all, you can only EXIST ON YOUR OWN on $100/week if you either live an incredibly impoverished existence - eg homeless or living like a hermit in a paid-for home - because there is no way that anyone could afford normal rent or a mortgage payment on that amount of money. People who HAPPILY accept those wages are being supported by someone else: Living in student housing on a loan, or for which mom and dad are paying; living with mom and dad ... sometimes off mom/dad's Social Security; being supported by a husband or wife; working while collecting Social Security; or bumming room and board from friends

... because there's no way in hell that $100 is a "living wage".

Secondly, my point is that people who work only one hour a month ARE COUNTED AS EMPLOYED. That's the fact, son.

Now, I happen to know real people who are eking out a living on incredibly skimpy wages, and SURELY you've passed a Walmart greeter or gotten a burger from fast-food place or bought a latte from somewhere, so arguing that those people or those jobs "don't exist" is either a complete denial of reality or a deliberate lie.



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Thursday, December 7, 2017 2:24 PM

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... because there's no way in hell that $100 is a "living wage."- SIGNY

Exactly! So it follows that those people are not sole providers or living alone off that wage. - G



Well, thank you GSTRING for proving my point. "Having a job" is NOT "all that counts".

There ARE people working 1-39 hours a week, there are people who are making $12/hr when they used to make $30/hr.

THESE PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERED AS MUCH "EMPLOYED" as the people who're working 40+ hours a week.

So as far as the "unemployment" statistic is concerned, it looks pretty rosy, but for people just scraping, by they're a cruel mockery.

IF the job wages and hours of the "recovery" had stayed the same relative to before the collapse, then the "unemployment" figures would be a realistic reflection of "how people are doing". But because of Obamacare which encourages less-than-30-hour-a-week jobs; the rise of "temping" and "gig economy"; and the loss of manufacturing; MOST of the jobs added have been low-wage/ part time jobs which simply can't support a single person, let alone a family.

So we come to "proof of the pudding" measures about the "employment" situation in Indiana, which is: Are wages rising? Are young people able to get out of mom and dad's basement? Is the poverty rate going down?

I see that, in your comfortable niche, such concerns don't trouble you.

But, yanno, seriously, I think you should focus on Russia. It's a great distraction for the "deplorables" and keeps them from thinking about people like you.

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 4:34 PM

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... because there's no way in hell that $100 is a "living wage."- SIGNY

Exactly! So it follows that those people are not sole providers or living alone off that wage. - G

Well, thank you GSTRING for proving my point. "Having a job" is NOT "all that counts".- SIGNY

Thanks for misquoting again - you can't seem to break your lying habit. I said it was the most important thing. - G

You said
Quote:

Maybe it's not ideal, but having a job is what counts
Nothing in there about being the most important, or any mention of wages, hours, benefits, or anything else.

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There ARE people working 1-39 hours a week- SIGNY

still sticking with that "1 hour a week" nothing thing, huh? You're a complete idiot.-G

Still ignoring the underemployed? You're an entitled elitist.

Quote:

IF the job wages and hours of the "recovery" had stayed the same relative to before the collapse, then the "unemployment" figures would be a realistic reflection of "how people are doing". But because of Obamacare which encourages less-than-30-hour-a-week jobs; the rise of "temping" and "gig economy"; and the loss of manufacturing; MOST of the jobs added have been low-wage/ part time jobs which simply can't support a single person, let alone a family.- SIGNY

Wow - cites on all that?- G

Later. But when I bring those number to the board, will you eat your words? DOUBTFUL.

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So we come to "proof of the pudding" measures about the "employment" situation in Indiana, which is: Are wages rising? Are young people able to get out of mom and dad's basement? Is the poverty rate going down?- SIGNY

How many people do you think are living in their parents' basement btw? Do you think it's worse now than it was in the past? - G

Absofuckinglutely.
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Loosing (sic) manufactuering? (sic) Don't you think we've been through shifts in job types in the past? Look what the car did to stage coach drivers.
This "job shift" is shifting jobs out of America. All I have to do is look at "the employment situation" and the falling standard of living pretty much across the board to realize that this is not a "job shift" that bodes well for most of us.

But what the hell do YOU care? YOU don't work for a living.

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 5:24 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This "job shift" is shifting jobs out of America. All I have to do is look at "the employment situation" and the falling standard of living pretty much across the board to realize that this is not a "job shift" that bodes well for most of us.

But what the hell do YOU care? YOU don't work for a living.

Maybe you should ask the Republicans for help rather than expect fireflyfans to solve this problem? I know one President and 52 GOP Senators could demand business increase employment by 5% per year, every year, in exchange for a business tax cut to 20%. But nothing happens for some reason. The GOP won’t increase the minimum wage. The GOP won’t help expand unions, either. What is wrong with the GOP? Why does it dislike labor? To see all the many things that the GOP won’t do, you can google minimum wage legislation Unions GOP.
www.google.com/search?q=minimum+wage+legislation+Unions+GOP

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 5:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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This "job shift" is shifting jobs out of America. All I have to do is look at "the employment situation" and the falling standard of living pretty much across the board to realize that this is not a "job shift" that bodes well for most of us.

But what the hell do YOU care? YOU don't work for a living. - SIGNY

Maybe you should ask the Republicans for help rather than expect fireflyfans to solve this problem?- SECOND

Maybe you should show a little patriotism and some faith in democracy?

Or take your own advice, and STFU about Trump?



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Thursday, December 7, 2017 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Maybe you should show a little patriotism and some faith in democracy?

Or take your own advice, and STFU about Trump?

Did you know that under Trump, US jobs are moving overseas even faster than before? I won't bother you with the article's numbers but it also mentions "Low-skill workers still struggle to find jobs that can support a family or afford the education for work that does. It’s not clear, however, that the Trump agenda is going to bring them much relief." Not clear is an understatement. Completely opaque, upside down, or non-functioning Trump agenda is more accurate.
https://qz.com/1144201

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:33 PM

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Wikileaks faces U.S. probes into its 2016 election role and CIA leaks: sources

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, are facing multiple investigations by U.S. authorities, including three congressional probes and a federal criminal inquiry, sources familiar with the investigations said.

The Senate and House of Representatives intelligence committees and leaders of the Senate Judiciary Committee are probing the website's role in the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, according to the sources, who all requested anonymity, and public documents.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wikileaks-faces-u-probes-2016-election-role
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Thursday, December 7, 2017 7:23 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wikileaks can withstand any number of investigations because (1) They've done nothing wrong and (2) they KNOW who gave them the DNC/Podesta emails and it wasn't a Russian.

So this will be a dry hole for the investigators to look into, but hey, investigate away!



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Signym! I anxiously wait to hear Trump's carefully thought out plan of action for the next 7 years:

The U.S. economy is creating millionaires at an astonishing pace. But what’s it doing for everyone else?
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/07/the-u-s-economy-is-crea
ting-millionaires-at-an-astonishing-pace-but-whats-it-doing-for-everyone-else
/

The U.S. economy is minting new millionaires at an astonishing rate, according to a paper by New York University economist Edward N. Wolff. http://papers.nber.org/tmp/7707-w24085.pdf

The number of households with a net worth of $1 million (measured in constant 1995 dollars, or about $1.6 million today) grew from 2.4 million households in 1983 to 9.1 million households in 2016, a growth rate of 279 percent.

For comparison, the total number of households grew by just 50 percent over that period, meaning that the population of millionaires grew at more than 5 times the rate of the general population. In 1983 fewer than 3 percent of households had a net worth greater than $1 million in 1995 dollars. By 2016, over 7 percent of households were worth that much.

Net worth is a measure of a household's assets, such as home value, stocks and retirement accounts, minus debts. From 2013 to 2016 alone, the economy added over 2 million households with a net worth of $1 million or more in constant 1995 dollars. That works out to roughly 1,845 new millionaire households each day during that period.

Rates of growth in the upper echelons of the wealth spectrum have been even more rapid. From 1983 to 2016, the number of households worth $5 million grew by 649 percent. The number of households worth $10 million or more grew by 856 percent over the same period.

Wolff's research has also shown that the richest 1 percent of Americans now own nearly twice as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent combined.

Similarly, gains in income have been flowing primarily to the richest households in recent years.

Regardless of the number of millionaires created each day, the rise in inequality could spell trouble for the economy if it continues unabated. Too much inequality can depress economic growth in a number of ways. As the Economist summarized the research in 2015, “inequality could impair growth if those with low incomes suffer poor health and low productivity as a result, or if, as evidence suggests, the poor struggle to finance investments in education.”
www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/06/economist-explains-
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Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:51 PM

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Signym! I anxiously wait to hear Trump's carefully thought out plan of action for the next 7 years
SECOND! I anxiously await the DNC's carefully thought-out plan for the next 7 years!

Or are they going to continue focusing on Russia???

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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 1:35 PM

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Apparently SECOND, THUGR, GSTRING are all willing to get huffy about partisan issues, but none of them are willing to discuss REAL WORLD events, where issues like debt and military technology are important.




Sure we do comrade sig. We just don't share your russian perspective on these things.


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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 2:30 PM

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Apparently SECOND, THUGR, GSTRING are all willing to get huffy about partisan issues, but none of them are willing to discuss REAL WORLD events, where issues like debt and military technology are important. - SIGNY

Sure we do comrade sig. We just don't share your russian perspective on these things. - THUGR



My guess is that you don't have ANY perspective on these things, because you simply can't think about real things in realistic ways.





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http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Tuesday, January 2, 2018 4:11 PM

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Take away Maddow and Olbermann and unplug them from their smartphones and watch them drool all over themselves.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:53 PM

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The financial connections between Trump and various Russian banks and oligarchs (business elites with ties to the Kremlin) stretch back decades, which is likely a big reason why Trump won’t release his tax returns.

This doesn't start with the election; it starts with Russian oligarch money pouring into Trump's real estate and casino businesses. Many of them Trump has been working with for years, well before he developed any serious political ambitions. And we’re not talking about small change here; we’re talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. Possibly even enough to keep Trump out of another bankruptcy.

We know because they’ve told us. Donald Trump Jr. has already admitted the importance of Russian money to their business ventures. He said publicly in 2008 that "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia." It doesn’t get much clearer than that.

Prevezon is a holding company with links to Russian elites that has been accused of laundering hundreds of millions of dollars through New York City real estate. It's also part of Hermitage Capital, an investment fund that was being investigated by Magnitsky (the Russian lawyer who was killed in a Moscow prison in 2009) more than 10 years ago.

Prevezon was part of this giant tax fraud scheme that Magnitsky uncovered in 2008, which led to his death and which led indirectly to the Magnitsky Act of 2012. The U.S. Attorney’s Office was also preparing a massive case against Prevezon last year. Until it was abruptly dropped.

Prevezon’s lawyer was Natalia Veselnitskaya, who of course met with Trump Jr. last year. She had been pushing for a long time to get something done about the Prevezon case. So it's very possible that she went into that meeting with Trump Jr essentially asking for help, in return for which she would give the Trump campaign dirt on Hillary and the DNC.

Several months after Trump takes office, the Prevezon case is dismissed. So what happened? The U.S. attorney was carefully preparing a case against Prevezon Holdings. They were all set to go forward, and then suddenly the case was settled. Prevezon's own lawyers were kind of shocked. We know they paid something like $6 million, which is a fraction of what the lawsuit was about. So they were extremely happy about it.

Do we have any evidence that Trump was involved in any way with Prevezon? We know is that Preet Bharara, the attorney in charge of the case, was fired by Trump in early March, and shortly thereafter the Prevezon case was dropped. They had been ready to prosecute, witnesses were flown in, it was all set to go, and it was settled rather unexpectedly. So I think this is a case that hasn't really entered the public consciousness yet. But I'm sure that special counsel Robert Mueller's team is looking at it.

The thing about which Trump’s been most consistent is the desire to make money. And if we take that, then his consistency on Russia becomes much more sensible.

www.vox.com/2017/7/18/15983910/donald-trump-russia-putin-fbi-collusion
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Steve Bannon says he thinks Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya in search of dirt on Hillary Clinton was “treasonous,” speculates that Trump may have been involved in the meeting too, and asserts that Jared Kushner is involved in some “greasy” business that could expose him to money laundering charges.

Not only did all this cut against Trump’s denials of wrongdoing in the Russia scandal but it openly insulted Trump’s family members as well. “They’re going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV,” Bannon is quoted saying.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bann
on-michael-wolff


So this afternoon, Trump released a furious statement in response. “Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my Presidency. When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind,” the statement reads in part. “Steve doesn’t represent my base — he’s only in it for himself.”

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-03/trump-says-bannon-lost-his-
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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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... because there's no way in hell that $100 is a "living wage."- SIGNY

Exactly! So it follows that those people are not sole providers or living alone off that wage. - G


Well, thank you GSTRING for proving my point. "Having a job" is NOT "all that counts".


Thanks for misquoting again - you can't seem to break your lying habit. I said it was the most important thing. You can't get paid if you don't have a job. You do understand that, right?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There ARE people working 1-39 hours a week,


still sticking with that "1 hour a week" nothing thing, huh? You're a complete idiot.
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IF the job wages and hours of the "recovery" had stayed the same relative to before the collapse, then the "unemployment" figures would be a realistic reflection of "how people are doing". But because of Obamacare which encourages less-than-30-hour-a-week jobs; the rise of "temping" and "gig economy"; and the loss of manufacturing; MOST of the jobs added have been low-wage/ part time jobs which simply can't support a single person, let alone a family.


Wow - cites on all that?
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So we come to "proof of the pudding" measures about the "employment" situation in Indiana, which is: Are wages rising? Are young people able to get out of mom and dad's basement? Is the poverty rate going down?


How many people do you think are living in their parents' basement btw? Do you think it's worse now than it was in the past? Loosing manufactuering? Don't you think we've been through shifts in job types in the past? Look what the car did to stage coach drivers.

https://www.mckinsey.com/global-themes/future-of-organizations-and-wor
k/what-the-future-of-work-will-mean-for-jobs-skills-and-wages


That does seem fair ignorant, but about in line with normal levels of Libtard ignorance.

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