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How Many Parkland Students Died From Cops?

POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
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Saturday, March 31, 2018 5:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I've been waiting to hear about some details, but haven't heard them yet.


On 14 February 2018, 17 deaths have been attributed to psychiatric patient Nicholas Cruz.
But I have not heard information broken down into those who died instantaneously, versus those who bled out. Those who bled out died because the PC Community Agitator Bureaucrat Sheriff absolutely forbade anybody from assisting, medically aiding, or saving the lives of any bleeding student or teacher, until after his PR Team of Photographers, cameramen, and the SWAT Team that came along with, had arrived for the credit.

So, how many died from exsanguination, and how many perished without massive blood loss?
The Coroner might be in cahoots with the Sheriff, so official summaries may be suspect.

Has anybody heard an answer, or further information?

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Saturday, March 31, 2018 6:19 PM

THGRRI


You're a sick fuck. Can't wait to blame the police can you troll.


T

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Saturday, March 31, 2018 10:32 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
You're a sick fuck. Can't wait to blame the police can you troll.




Unlike in Maryland, where the on site cop confronted and killed the shooter, the Coward of Broward allowed the shooter to kill at his leisure, then scamper off campus, scot free. And yes, the same coward cop actively kept EMT crews OUT of the HS, while kids were bleeding out, and the shooter was long gone.

Truth hurts, don't it ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
You're a sick I'm a dumb fuck. Can't wait to be the troll.


Unlike in Maryland, where the on site cop confronted and killed the shooter, the Coward of Broward allowed the shooter to kill at his leisure, then scamper off campus, scot free. And yes, the same coward cop actively kept EMT crews OUT of the HS, while kids were bleeding out, and the shooter was long gone.

Truth hurts, don't it ?

Have you heard further details of how many died due to this negligence on the part of the Coward Cops?
It can't be that hard to figure out, if the facts get released.
One clue would be if a shot kid called on their phone, but then died.

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Sunday, April 1, 2018 1:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
You're a sick fuck. Can't wait to blame the police can you troll.

T

Do you mean that your Fake News sources have kept from you the facts - that the cops forbade any EMTs, Medical Responders, or Rescue Personnel from getting to the aid of any bleeding victim, until after they bled out?

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Sunday, April 1, 2018 1:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Some background details:
I do welcome corrections and additions.

Wednesday, 14 February 2018.
Cruz dropped off at Stoneman Douglass school at 2:19 PM by Uber driver, then he entered and pulled the Fire Alarm.
Shots fired from 2:21 to 2:27 2:25, and then Cruz left, unarmed.

From the information available at this time, the SRO first radio responded at 2:23.
After Cruz had left (after 2:27), the Coward County Sheriff's Commanding Captain ordered all deputies to hide in a perimeter, and avoid confronting any perpetrator.
When Coral Springs Police Officers arrived, 3 Coward County cars were present, with Deputies hiding behind them.
About 2:31 or after (4 minutes after Cruz had left), Coral Springs Police Officers were the first to enter Building 12, ignoring the Coward Deputies.



Victims died:
Alyssa Aldaheff (14), soccer team captain.
Scott Beigel (35), unlocked door for students to enter and hide.
Martin Duque (14), JROTC.
Nicholas Dworet (17).
Aaron Feis (37), shot while shielding 2 students.
Jaime Guttenberg (14).
Chris Hixon (49), shot while running toward gunfire.
Luke Hoyer (15).
Cara Loughran (14).
Gina Montalto (14).
Joaquin Oliver (17).
Alaina Petty (14), JROTC.
Meadow Pollack (18), shot 4 times, and then while shielding another student, shot 5 more times.
Helena Ramsay (17).
Alex Schachter (14).
Carmen Schentrup (16).
Peter Wang (15), JROTC, last seen holding open escape doors.


2 hospitals handled victims. 16 who were not Cruz, and including 2 who died. So 15 who died on scene before Coward Deputies would allow anybody to save lives. (Information regarding ER incoming may be unclear, but all references seem to agree that 2 died at hospital(s), so by elimination 15 did not leave the scene alive)
The Emergency Rooms had about 30 minutes from Code Green Alert (mass casualty disaster) to the first patient arriving.
One victim with non-life threatening injuries went to another hospital.
17 total died, 17 injured.

The 2 who died at the hospital are the most likely to have benefitted, had Coward Deputies allowed their lives to be saved. Total time not yet clear, but they survived at least 40 minutes after initial injury.


Ramsay and Dworet died right away, in room 1214. At 2:41 room 1214 was still in lockdown, all occupants still hiding from Cruz. Cruz had not entered the locked room 1214, but shot thru the door's glass window. One student from another building, after 2:24, ran to building 12, could hear gunfire, but was physically turned around by "security guards"
2 more bodies were outside room 1214, in the hallway.

Sarah Crescitelli hid in a bathroom for 2 hours.

Feis was shot, students being escorted out had to step over his body. He was rushed to the hospital, and died there. Either those are conflicting information, or the prioritization was messed up. He was reportedly still fighting for life at 8pm Wednesday night 14 Feb, but was announced as dead on Thursday morning.

Guttenberg and Hixon were the first to be identified as deceased victims.

Anthony Borges survived, but was shot 5 times while shielding and protecting at least 20 other students, is suing Sheriff.

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Sunday, April 1, 2018 2:01 PM

THGRRI


What I noticed JSF is that you don't post your sources. Why is that?


T

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Monday, April 2, 2018 6:16 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


This is morbid, even for you Jewels.


sgg

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've been waiting to hear about some details, but haven't heard them yet.


On 14 February 2018, 17 deaths have been attributed to psychiatric patient Nicholas Cruz.
But I have not heard information broken down into those who died instantaneously, versus those who bled out. Those who bled out died because the PC Community Agitator Bureaucrat Sheriff absolutely forbade anybody from assisting, medically aiding, or saving the lives of any bleeding student or teacher, until after his PR Team of Photographers, cameramen, and the SWAT Team that came along with, had arrived for the credit.

So, how many died from exsanguination, and how many perished without massive blood loss?
The Coroner might be in cahoots with the Sheriff, so official summaries may be suspect.

Has anybody heard an answer, or further information?


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Monday, April 2, 2018 6:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I don't understand why this seems to be a partisan argument.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 2, 2018 7:03 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't understand why this seems to be a partisan argument.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Why do you sense partisanship?

How many needlessly died, due to the policies of the Bureaucrat Sheriff preventing lifesaving aid from being rendered?
I'm not seeing partisan.

It appears obvious that nobody seriously wants to end Psychotropic Spree Killings, so clearly we should expect to have repeat performances, somewhere, sometime.
If there is any mild interest in moderating the future total body count, then mistakes should be evaluated now, following an incident which was a calamity of errors in policy and practice.
Let's not wait until the next event duplicates the same exact errors.

If it had been your niece or nephew who had survived the initial 6 minutes but was then left to die from blood loss while the prissy Sheriff carefully got all his Publicity Cameras set up, shouldn't you be a little ticked?

I guess I hadn't considered Life to be an anti-Democrat and Pro-Republican position, but you do have a point there, if that's what you meant.

It does seem a bit obvious that the 2 who perished at the hospital would have been more likely to survive with a less brainless or cruel heartless Sheriff. But who else as well?

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Monday, April 2, 2018 12:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't understand why this seems to be a partisan argument.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Why do you sense partisanship?



4 people are posting in this thread before I did.

Results of opinions here are split down the middle at the two extremes.


No surprise really who is on which side. If you four were characters I had written that's pretty much the dialogue I would have written for you.

Partisan argument.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 2, 2018 2:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't understand why this seems to be a partisan argument.

Why do you sense partisanship?

4 people are posting in this thread before I did.

Results of opinions here are split down the middle at the two extremes.


No surprise really who is on which side. If you four were characters I had written that's pretty much the dialogue I would have written for you.

Partisan argument.

2 reasonable people, and 1 forum troll, with fairly clear-cut language for or against reason.
Not sure how to categorize SGG's language, but you seem to classify it as trollish.

Needs a bigger sampling for me to imagine a partisan split. Are you suggesting the Liberals support more death, like they do in Chicago? Do you think Liberals are more giddy about these deaths because they are in more suburban or rural areas, having already turned Liberal Cities into diseased cores of Crime?

I would not have jumped to that conclusion so readily, from the basis of this topic.

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Monday, April 2, 2018 5:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I can throw SGG in a box with T without meaning that he's being a troll. I actually wasn't calling T a troll here.

I'm not suggesting anything about Democrats or Republicans here. I don't agree with either position. Just making an observation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 2, 2018 5:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can throw SGG in a box with T without meaning that he's being a troll. I actually wasn't calling T a troll here.

I'm not suggesting anything about Democrats or Republicans here. I don't agree with either position. Just making an observation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Are you implying that T has made a contribution towards any discussion in this thread?

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Monday, April 2, 2018 6:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I obviously don't care for T, but you're the one putting me in the strange position of defending him here.


I think the thread is ridiculous, and this isn't the first time here that the police have been blamed for not risking their own lives and running in, guns blazing.

Could things have been handled better in hindsight? Sure. On many levels, including the police interaction.



T's also asking for citations, of which none have been provided. Not that his are usually any better since everything he posts seems to be stories of hearsay and anonymous sources.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 7, 2018 3:40 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


More:
Carmen Schentrup died in a classroom. Shot 4 times from the barrel stuck through the door's window. Her mother was Principal of the Elementary School.

Students escorted out had to step over Luke Hoyer's body, which was found on 3rd Floor.

Alex Schachter was shot in a classroom, through the door window.

Another report said only 14 were injured. Another report said 16 injured.

Madelaine Wilford was shot 4 times in the Psychology classroom, passed out, spent a week in hospital.

By 2:47 Gina Montalto had died in a classroom, and 3 other students in that classroom had been shot.

On the 1st Floor, Actions are indicated at rooms 1216, 1215, 1214, and then on 2nd Floor Room 1234, and then no indicated Rooms on 3rd Floor.

Both Feis and Hixon were not on scene to start with, had sped on their golf carts to the scene.

People.com reported that Hixon died the next day, at the hospital.

So Feis and Hixon died at the hospital. The other 15 were left to bleed out while the Coward County's cowered.


An interesting detail was reported. Those calling 911 are shunted to the Coward Sheriff, who has commandeered resources to prevent you from getting help or rescue. But those who call Coral Springs Police, which operate a separate call system, got a response of Officers, who ignored cowardly commands of Coward Deputies and entered the building to save and rescue victims.

3 people had been shot in room 1213, AP Psychology, including Carmen and Madeleine.
Room 1214 was Holocaust class. 4 total had been shot here.
Room 1216 was English class. 5 total shot, 2 died instantly, 1 died later that day.
At least one death was in Room 1234, 2nd Floor.
Room 1254, 3rd Floor. Shots fired through glass window of door.
Shooting stopped by 2:25pm.

"About a half hour" after 2:21, students from 2nd Floor classrooms were released, and Feis still had to be stepped over before exiting.

12 died inside the building 12, 3 died outside, 2 died at hospital.

Cruz reportedly left the building at 2:28.
Police first enter at 2:32pm. 11 minutes after first students were injured. 9 minutes after Coward Deputies started to prevent Life-Saving aid.

Gina and Luke were seen in the hallway by escaping RM 1213 students.

Meadow died in a stairwell.

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Tuesday, May 1, 2018 11:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Meadow's father is suing, including the SRO. It apparently specifies Meadow was shot 9 times on the 3rd Floor.
Other reports had said nobody was shot on 3rd Floor.

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Monday, May 7, 2018 12:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I had not realized Robert Runcie had been imported from Chicago.

Apparently Parkland Schools wanted to duplicate the crime rate of Chicago, so after Obamabot Runcie implemented Obama's Promise Program to develop more crime, Parkland imported Runcie.

Sounds like it was revealed over this weekend that Nicholas Cruz had 5 instances which the Promise Program needed to cover up to prevent his jailing.

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