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Tuesday, April 24, 2018 6:42 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


This is about the crash that killed the Broncos team.

The story seems confusing, or contradictory. Sounds like the intersection was blind, cross traffic blocked from view, and a Stop Sign was used in a 100 km/hr speed zone. But mostly, Stop Signs are not used. WTF??

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/broncos-crash-raises-questions-stop-10000050
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It's a common sight on Saskatchewan highways: a vehicle on a side-road moves along the flat horizon toward an intersection you — the driver — are about to pass.

Often one of the drivers has a stop sign. Sometimes the speed limit on both intersecting roads is 100 kilometres-per-hour or more.

Both were the case at the intersection of provincial Highways 35 and 335, where the Humboldt Broncos team bus and a semi-trailer collided south of Nipawin, Sask., killing 16 people.

Now the rural municipality where the crash occurred is asking the province to review how it handles highway intersections.

No stop signs at Ont., B.C. provincial 100 km/h intersections

Some provinces, such as Ontario and British Columbia, never use stop signs at intersections on provincial highways with 100-kilometre-per-hour speed limits.

In B.C., stop signs are typically only installed on slower-speed side roads to warn the driver they must stop prior to crossing or turning onto a highway.

In Ontario, stop signs on provincial highways with speed limits of 100 km/h do not exist because commuters enter and exit freeways and other high speed, high traffic areas through interchanges, according to that province's ministry of transportation.

The law in that province does allow municipalities to assign their own speed limits up to 100 km/h approaching intersections.

But Ontario collision reconstruction analyst Jason Young, who said he has worked on thousands of cases, said he is not aware of any that do so.

"We would never have an intersection above the speed of 80 [kilometres] or potentially 90 with a stop sign," said Young, the president of Advantage Forensics Inc. in Toronto.

Reaction time a key consideration

The Broncos junior hockey team was heading to Nipawin, Sask., for a semifinal game against the Nipawin Hawks on April 6. Their bus was travelling northbound on Highway 35. It would have had the right-of-way at the intersection with Highway 335.

The semi-trailer travelling west along 335 would have approached a stop sign and a flashing red warning light before the crossing. There are also "stop ahead" signs warning the traffic travelling on Highway 335 that they are approaching the junction.

But, for reasons that remain unclear, the truck and bus collided.

Police are still investigating the crash and say it will take time to determine the cause.

Young said the speed at which each vehicle was travelling and the time that each driver had to react will be major considerations for investigators. A vehicle going 100 km/h is travelling 30 metres per second, he said.

"It's very important in collision reconstructions to know where the cars were and when they were at those positions in order to really assess properly could either driver do anything to have avoided this collision, or not," said Young.

"There are many cases where the drivers can't avoid it because there simply isn't enough time."

RM to call for provincial review

The Rural Municipality of Connaught, where the collision occurred, is planning to call for a provincial review of intersections across Saskatchewan.

"After this crash, maybe this brings light ... maybe the safety of all intersecting highways needs to be reviewed," said deputy reeve Ian Boxall.

"I guess that I would like to look at traffic flow and whether what is there currently is adequate: stop signs, speed limits, flashing lights."

Boxall said the provincial Ministry of Highways has agreed to meet with the RM after the RCMP investigation has ended.

He said lowering speed limits at the approach to some stop-sign intersections could be an option, but noted that traffic-flow is low on rural Saskatchewan roads.

Province says 100 km/h limit at stop signs is common

The Saskatchewan Ministry of Highways and Infrastructure said in an emailed response to questions that similar intersections are not uncommon.

"Stop signs at rural highway-to-highway intersections with speed limits of 100km/h are common throughout North America," it said.

"At rural highway-to-highway intersections, the Ministry of Highways and Infrastructure will generally maintain free flow for traffic on the road with the highest traffic volume and the stop sign will be assigned to the road with lower traffic volume."

It said speed limits on the road with the lower traffic volumes are usually either 90 or 100 kilometres-per-hour.

Four-lane divided highways with 110 km/h speed limits usually don't have stop signs, said the ministry.

The ministry said it is investigating the collision from a traffic engineering and operations perspective to determine what additional safety measures will be needed.

In the meantime, a temporary speed limit of 60 km/h has been implemented due to the number of people congregating at a memorial at the intersection.

Speeds to be major part of investigation: analyst

"While work on our investigation has begun, one of the most important pieces of information is the RCMP's determination of cause," said the ministry.

The RCMP has publicly stated that this will be a complex investigation and may take some time to conclude."

Last week, the RCMP shut down the intersection for a day so collision analysts could continue their investigations, including a re-enactment using similar vehicles to those involved in the crash.

The 6th and 7th paragraphs seem unclear.

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Monday, January 28, 2019 3:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Apparently there was a Stop sign, which was ignored by the truck driver, who blocked the entire width of the Highway, travelling at full speed, while the bus skidded 24 meters.


https://ca.news.yahoo.com/sentencing-hearing-begin-truck-driver-090004
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MELFORT, Sask. — A Saskatchewan court heard Monday that a semi-truck driver barrelled through an oversized stop sign with a flashing red light before the deadly Humboldt Broncos bus crash.

An agreed statement of facts said Jaskirat Singh Sidhu was going between 86 and 96 km/h when he drove into a rural intersection north of Tisdale last April.

"The driver of the semi-tractor unit failed to recognize the hazard and took minimal or no action and effort to avoid the collision," Crown prosecutor Thomas Healey said.

"The driver of the semi-tractor unit failed to recognize that his vehicle was approaching an intersection and did not stop as required. The actions of Mr. Sidhu while operating the semi-tractor unit caused the collision."

Glen Doerksen, the driver of the Broncos junior hockey team bus, hit the brakes and the bus skidded for about 24 metres. It T-boned the truck at an impact of between 96 and 107 km/h.

Healey said there was no way Doerksen could have avoided the collision. The transport truck was fully in the intersection across all lanes of traffic.

"The driver of the bus recognized the hazard as quickly as possible," Healey told court.

The statement said RCMP found no evidence that Sidhu had used drugs or alcohol or that he was distracted by a cellphone. The weather and road conditions were good.

The posted speed limit on both roads was 100 km/h.

Sixteen people were killed and 13 others on the bus were injured.

Sidhu, 30, pleaded guilty earlier this month to 29 counts of dangerous driving. He was hauling a load of peat moss when his rig and the Broncos bus collided. He was not injured in the crash.

Five days have been set aside for his sentencing hearing in a makeshift courtroom in Melfort, Sask. An event centre is being used to accommodate all the families, survivors and media.

Justice Inez Cardinal reminded everyone to act appropriately in the courtroom during the emotional hearing.

"You might find the evidence a bit disturbing and it may be hard to contain your emotion, but, please, you must," she said.

Bernadine Boulet of Lethbridge, Alta., struggled through tears as she stood up to give the first victim impact statement of 75 expected to be entered in court. She said the death of her 21-year-old son, Logan, has left a constant ache in her chest.

"I am constantly surrounded by reminders of Logan. Many of them make me smile and remember my amazing, teasing, kind son," she said. "But often it's the little things that are the most difficult and my chest aches, my throat constricts and tears fill my eyes."

Boulet noted her son wanted to become a teacher, like both his parents. Now she won't get to help him set up his first classroom.

"This crash has cheated us out of many things in our future. It has cheated Logan out of his future," she said.

Boulet said she'd give anything to have her son come through the front door, flop on the couch and leave a dirty egg pan in the kitchen.

"I struggle with the fact Logan will not be coming home again."

Toby Boulet said he's trying to find peace in the consuming grief over his son. He also said he doesn't think the truck driver is an evil person.

"I need to tell Mr. Sidhu that I do not believe that you got out of bed on the morning of April 6 to cause a crash, that he would ultimately kill our only son Logan," he said.

"I believe he feels tremendous remorse with all of the fiber of his being ... I believe Mr. Sidhu wishes he could start April 6 all over again. I want the same. We all want the same.

"But, Mr. Sidhu, I know that this cannot happen and our Logan is not coming home."

A safety review done for the Saskatchewan government was released in December. It said sight lines at the intersection are a safety concern and recommended removing a stand of trees obstructing the view of drivers approaching from the south and east — the same directions the bus and semi-trailer were coming from when they collided.

The owner of the Calgary trucking company that hired Sidhu also faces eight counts related to non-compliance with federal and provincial safety regulations in the months before the crash.

The Saskatchewan government has introduced mandatory training for semi-truck drivers which is to begin in March.

Chris Purdy and Bill Graveland, The Canadian Press

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Friday, March 22, 2019 4:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


The driver got 8 years.

For killing 16 kids.

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