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Hawaii: Earthquakes and Volcano

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Saturday, May 5, 2018 5:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Is one causing the other? I haven't heard the chronology.

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Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:28 AM

SIGNYM

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Although the earthquakes come first, they don't cause the eruptions. Both are caused by shifting magma. Now, what causes the magma to shift ... I don't think anybody knows!

Last I heard, even more fissures opened up spewing lava. There are now something like a dozen or so fissures: It sounds like something out of a terrible nightmare, where the ground opens up under your feet and starts gouting molten rock. *shudder* Fortunately for Hawaii, their volcanoes aren't the explosive kind.


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Sunday, May 6, 2018 7:47 AM

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Uh... yeah. There is no way I would ever live on Hawaii. If something bad happens, there's nowhere to go.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, May 6, 2018 2:51 PM

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Uh... yeah. There is no way I would ever live on Hawaii. If something bad happens, there's nowhere to go.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You should watch news interviews of Southern Californians explaining how they will avoid a massive earthquake. They'll all get in their cars and hit the highways. Like they don't notice EVERY DAY that the highways are hopelessly clogged with only a fraction of the traffic. And they think the airports won't be closed. They think they can outrun an earthquake, all the way across the fault line.


Now I wonder: do sharks flock to earthquake or volcano, or away?

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Sunday, May 6, 2018 2:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Although the earthquakes come first, they don't cause the eruptions. Both are caused by shifting magma. Now, what causes the magma to shift ... I don't think anybody knows!

Last I heard, even more fissures opened up spewing lava. There are now something like a dozen or so fissures: It sounds like something out of a terrible nightmare, where the ground opens up under your feet and starts gouting molten rock. *shudder* Fortunately for Hawaii, their volcanoes aren't the explosive kind.

You mean earthquake fissures can't create new avenues for pressured magma to rise?

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Sunday, May 6, 2018 4:09 PM

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Although the earthquakes come first, they don't cause the eruptions. Both are caused by shifting magma. Now, what causes the magma to shift ... I don't think anybody knows!

Last I heard, even more fissures opened up spewing lava. There are now something like a dozen or so fissures: It sounds like something out of a terrible nightmare, where the ground opens up under your feet and starts gouting molten rock. *shudder* Fortunately for Hawaii, their volcanoes aren't the explosive kind.


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There should also be a build up of gases over the magma. Gases and magma moving together. Also this is how these islands came into being.

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Sunday, May 6, 2018 4:22 PM

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You mean earthquake fissures can't create new avenues for pressured magma to rise?
Not an expert, but I doubt it. Earthquakes are an indication of a magma moving through the rock, and a reliable precursor to an eruption. Generally, as the magma rises to the surface, the earthquakes get more and more shallow. As the magma forces its way to the surface the rocks start to break and slip; that is the cause of the quakes.

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You should watch news interviews of Southern Californians explaining how they will avoid a massive earthquake. They'll all get in their cars and hit the highways. Like they don't notice EVERY DAY that the highways are hopelessly clogged with only a fraction of the traffic. And they think the airports won't be closed. They think they can outrun an earthquake, all the way across the fault line.
Don't remind me, she growled, I live near LA.

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Sunday, May 6, 2018 4:47 PM

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You mean earthquake fissures can't create new avenues for pressured magma to rise?
Not an expert, but I doubt it. Earthquakes are an indication of a magma moving through the rock, and a reliable precursor to an eruption. Generally, as the magma rises to the surface, the earthquakes get more and more shallow. As the magma forces its way to the surface the rocks start to break and slip; that is the cause of the quakes.

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You should watch news interviews of Southern Californians explaining how they will avoid a massive earthquake. They'll all get in their cars and hit the highways. Like they don't notice EVERY DAY that the highways are hopelessly clogged with only a fraction of the traffic. And they think the airports won't be closed. They think they can outrun an earthquake, all the way across the fault line.
Don't remind me, she growled, I live near LA.

Is the traffic still a constant continuous traffic jam from sunup until Prime Time? Or is there now a break between Morning, Noon, and evening Jams?

Hard to forget the 10-lane parking lot Interstates that Southern Californians strove for.

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Sunday, May 6, 2018 8:37 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Uh... yeah. There is no way I would ever live on Hawaii. If something bad happens, there's nowhere to go.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You should watch news interviews of Southern Californians explaining how they will avoid a massive earthquake. They'll all get in their cars and hit the highways. Like they don't notice EVERY DAY that the highways are hopelessly clogged with only a fraction of the traffic. And they think the airports won't be closed. They think they can outrun an earthquake, all the way across the fault line.


Now I wonder: do sharks flock to earthquake or volcano, or away?



Very true. Not really a worry for me though since I live in the center of the land mass that's virtually earthquake and hurricane free. At least for now. I don't even like going to downtown Milwaukee, let alone Chicago. I don't like being around that many people even in ideal conditions.

For me though, it's a mental thing. When I look at a map of Hawaii surrounded by that vast ocean, it I get claustrophobic just imagining it. I couldn't actually even visit Hawaii, let alone live there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 7, 2018 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Uh... yeah. There is no way I would ever live on Hawaii. If something bad happens, there's nowhere to go.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You should watch news interviews of Southern Californians explaining how they will avoid a massive earthquake. They'll all get in their cars and hit the highways. Like they don't notice EVERY DAY that the highways are hopelessly clogged with only a fraction of the traffic. And they think the airports won't be closed. They think they can outrun an earthquake, all the way across the fault line.


Now I wonder: do sharks flock to earthquake or volcano, or away?



Very true. Not really a worry for me though since I live in the center of the land mass that's virtually earthquake and hurricane free. At least for now. I don't even like going to downtown Milwaukee, let alone Chicago. I don't like being around that many people even in ideal conditions.

For me though, it's a mental thing. When I look at a map of Hawaii surrounded by that vast ocean, it I get claustrophobic just imagining it. I couldn't actually even visit Hawaii, let alone live there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You go to Milwaukee while you live in Indiana? Know somebody stuck there?

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Monday, May 7, 2018 8:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Uh... yeah. There is no way I would ever live on Hawaii. If something bad happens, there's nowhere to go.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You should watch news interviews of Southern Californians explaining how they will avoid a massive earthquake. They'll all get in their cars and hit the highways. Like they don't notice EVERY DAY that the highways are hopelessly clogged with only a fraction of the traffic. And they think the airports won't be closed. They think they can outrun an earthquake, all the way across the fault line.


Now I wonder: do sharks flock to earthquake or volcano, or away?



Very true. Not really a worry for me though since I live in the center of the land mass that's virtually earthquake and hurricane free. At least for now. I don't even like going to downtown Milwaukee, let alone Chicago. I don't like being around that many people even in ideal conditions.

For me though, it's a mental thing. When I look at a map of Hawaii surrounded by that vast ocean, it I get claustrophobic just imagining it. I couldn't actually even visit Hawaii, let alone live there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You go to Milwaukee while you live in Indiana? Know somebody stuck there?



I haven't been to Milwaukee in years. I used to live just south of it for about 5 years though, right around the time I joined this site.

I didn't mean anything bad about Milwaukee. I actually prefer it to Chicago if I absolutely HAD to go since it's not nearly as crowded. All I was saying is that I'm not a big city guy, and I have an aversion to big crowds.

I think the last time I was actually in Milwaukee was for Summerfest. Got to see Tom Petty and Eddie Vedder duet American Girl. Awesome concert. RIP Tommy boy. You will be missed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 7, 2018 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Uh... yeah. There is no way I would ever live on Hawaii. If something bad happens, there's nowhere to go.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You should watch news interviews of Southern Californians explaining how they will avoid a massive earthquake. They'll all get in their cars and hit the highways. Like they don't notice EVERY DAY that the highways are hopelessly clogged with only a fraction of the traffic. And they think the airports won't be closed. They think they can outrun an earthquake, all the way across the fault line.


Now I wonder: do sharks flock to earthquake or volcano, or away?

Very true. Not really a worry for me though since I live in the center of the land mass that's virtually earthquake and hurricane free. At least for now. I don't even like going to downtown Milwaukee, let alone Chicago. I don't like being around that many people even in ideal conditions.

For me though, it's a mental thing. When I look at a map of Hawaii surrounded by that vast ocean, it I get claustrophobic just imagining it. I couldn't actually even visit Hawaii, let alone live there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You go to Milwaukee while you live in Indiana? Know somebody stuck there?

I haven't been to Milwaukee in years. I used to live just south of it for about 5 years though, right around the time I joined this site.

I didn't mean anything bad about Milwaukee. I actually prefer it to Chicago if I absolutely HAD to go since it's not nearly as crowded. All I was saying is that I'm not a big city guy, and I have an aversion to big crowds.

I think the last time I was actually in Milwaukee was for Summerfest. Got to see Tom Petty and Eddie Vedder duet American Girl. Awesome concert. RIP Tommy boy. You will be missed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Well they don't call Milwaukee the armpit of Wisconsin for nothing.
The Interstate has been getting rebuilt to improve the flow of highway traffic. After Goobernator Doylie looting the Highway funds for his Decade, now Scott Walker is allowing roads to be built.

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Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:31 PM

SIGNYM

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Well! So much for Hawaiian volcanoes not being explosive! And this, AFTER the magma receded so quickly it cause the dome to collapse!





So, I tend to think of volcanoes as two types: The kind that burble and squirt lava, and the kind that blow up. I always thought that eruptions started big, and died down. Boy was I wrong!

I read a description of the eruption of Krakatoa. It was, at one time, a small volcanic island between two larger islands, with three distinct ash/lava cones. The eruption actually started kind of small. IIR correctly it was the smallest peak that started steaming and spewing ash first. This went on for a couple of days, then the next one in line took it up a notch and IT started steaming and spewing ash, even more violently than the first. This went on for a few more days, and finally the last and largest peak started to SERIOUSLY spew ash ... people on nearby islands went into caves to escape the sulfur fumes, acid, and ash. You would think that after a week the pressure would have been relieved, but no. The entire island was literally blown off the face of the earth with the largest volcanic explosion in western recorded history.

Not that I think this is going to happen in Hawaii, but it definitely puts to rest my naive ideas on how volcanoes progress!



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Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Well! So much for Hawaiian volcanoes not being explosive! And this, AFTER the magma receded so quickly it cause the dome to collapse!





So, I tend to think of volcanoes as two types: The kind that burble and squirt lava, and the kind that blow up. I always thought that eruptions started big, and died down. Boy was I wrong!

I read a description of the eruption of Krakatoa. It was, at one time, a small volcanic island between two larger islands, with three distinct ash/lava cones. The eruption actually started kind of small. IIR correctly it was the smallest peak that started steaming and spewing ash first. This went on for a couple of days, then the next one in line took it up a notch and IT started steaming and spewing ash, even more violently than the first. This went on for a few more days, and finally the last and largest peak started to SERIOUSLY spew ash ... people on nearby islands went into caves to escape the sulfur fumes, acid, and ash. You would think that after a week the pressure would have been relieved, but no. The entire island was literally blown off the face of the earth with the largest volcanic explosion in western recorded history.

Not that I think this is going to happen in Hawaii, but it definitely puts to rest my naive ideas on how volcanoes progress!

I have learned that these volcanoes progress or sequence in the same Dr direction, generally. In the direction of the newest plate friction. Don't know specifically about Krakatoa.
But maybe this means that newest island of Hawaii will have a big growth spurt in a few days or weeks. Or maybe that newest island was a precursor to this activity.

I didn't catch what the timeline was, in hours. Dome collapse? Magma retraction? Eruption?

This thread is 12 days old. I think I started it the day after the flurry of events.
I'm interested in a satellite shot of the whole island, and how much this activity is covering.

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Sunday, May 20, 2018 10:58 PM

SIGNYM

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Big fissures opening up, hotter and faster lava flows, lava bombs ... oh my!

Pelehonuamea, “She who shapes the sacred land,” is awake.

One of my favorite songs ....



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Monday, May 21, 2018 8:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Uh... yeah. There is no way I would ever live on Hawaii. If something bad happens, there's nowhere to go.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You should watch news interviews of Southern Californians explaining how they will avoid a massive earthquake. They'll all get in their cars and hit the highways. Like they don't notice EVERY DAY that the highways are hopelessly clogged with only a fraction of the traffic. And they think the airports won't be closed. They think they can outrun an earthquake, all the way across the fault line.


Now I wonder: do sharks flock to earthquake or volcano, or away?

Very true. Not really a worry for me though since I live in the center of the land mass that's virtually earthquake and hurricane free. At least for now. I don't even like going to downtown Milwaukee, let alone Chicago. I don't like being around that many people even in ideal conditions.

For me though, it's a mental thing. When I look at a map of Hawaii surrounded by that vast ocean, it I get claustrophobic just imagining it. I couldn't actually even visit Hawaii, let alone live there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You go to Milwaukee while you live in Indiana? Know somebody stuck there?

I haven't been to Milwaukee in years. I used to live just south of it for about 5 years though, right around the time I joined this site.

I didn't mean anything bad about Milwaukee. I actually prefer it to Chicago if I absolutely HAD to go since it's not nearly as crowded. All I was saying is that I'm not a big city guy, and I have an aversion to big crowds.

I think the last time I was actually in Milwaukee was for Summerfest. Got to see Tom Petty and Eddie Vedder duet American Girl. Awesome concert. RIP Tommy boy. You will be missed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Well they don't call Milwaukee the armpit of Wisconsin for nothing.
The Interstate has been getting rebuilt to improve the flow of highway traffic. After Goobernator Doylie looting the Highway funds for his Decade, now Scott Walker is allowing roads to be built.



I never really thought traffic around Milwaukee was all that bad, but even better for you if you guys and gals are getting an upgrade to the transit system there.

I spent the first 25 years of my life south of Chicago. Try getting anywhere during rush hour on 294 or 95th street. They're really trouble in Oak Lawn and Evergreen Park. 95th street has a 4-5 mile stretch that is 4 lanes long and you still get stuck in horrible traffic. Wasn't like that when I was a little kid, but you could never pay me to move back to the area I grew up in.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 21, 2018 1:31 PM

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You should watch news interviews of Southern Californians explaining how they will avoid a massive earthquake. They'll all get in their cars and hit the highways. Like they don't notice EVERY DAY that the highways are hopelessly clogged with only a fraction of the traffic. And they think the airports won't be closed. They think they can outrun an earthquake, all the way across the fault line.


Now I wonder: do sharks flock to earthquake or volcano, or away?

Very true. Not really a worry for me though since I live in the center of the land mass that's virtually earthquake and hurricane free. At least for now. I don't even like going to downtown Milwaukee, let alone Chicago. I don't like being around that many people even in ideal conditions.

For me though, it's a mental thing. When I look at a map of Hawaii surrounded by that vast ocean, it I get claustrophobic just imagining it. I couldn't actually even visit Hawaii, let alone live there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You go to Milwaukee while you live in Indiana? Know somebody stuck there?

I haven't been to Milwaukee in years. I used to live just south of it for about 5 years though, right around the time I joined this site.

I didn't mean anything bad about Milwaukee. I actually prefer it to Chicago if I absolutely HAD to go since it's not nearly as crowded. All I was saying is that I'm not a big city guy, and I have an aversion to big crowds.

I think the last time I was actually in Milwaukee was for Summerfest. Got to see Tom Petty and Eddie Vedder duet American Girl. Awesome concert. RIP Tommy boy. You will be missed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Well they don't call Milwaukee the armpit of Wisconsin for nothing.
The Interstate has been getting rebuilt to improve the flow of highway traffic. After Goobernator Doylie looting the Highway funds for his Decade, now Scott Walker is allowing roads to be built.

I never really thought traffic around Milwaukee was all that bad, but even better for you if you guys and gals are getting an upgrade to the transit system there.

I spent the first 25 years of my life south of Chicago. Try getting anywhere during rush hour on 294 or 95th street. They're really trouble in Oak Lawn and Evergreen Park. 95th street has a 4-5 mile stretch that is 4 lanes long and you still get stuck in horrible traffic. Wasn't like that when I was a little kid, but you could never pay me to move back to the area I grew up in.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

My traffic comparisons are to L.A.
Parked on the interstate for several minutes between each time you can move forward, about 10 feet - for a half hour, or hour. The Interstate. 9 Lanes wide, each direction. 1 person per car, every car (if any car had a 2nd occupant, they would be in the Carpool Lane doing 55mph). Every day. Either 3 times per day or just continuous from dawn to dark.
Using 30 miles worth of gas to get a mile on the interstate, you learn not to let your tank get too low before hitting the onramp. It really is faster to take sidestreets, with 10 traffic lights per mile, and also hopelessly clogged.

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Monday, May 21, 2018 9:05 PM

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You're saying that L.A. is that bad, right? Not Milwaukee?

I really didn't drive on the expressway around Milwaukee much when I lived up there, but the side streets were wonderful compared to where I grew up. They were actually even better than where I am now, which still isn't all that bad compared to Chicago and at least the south/west suburbs.

I've never been to L.A. I can only imagine how bad it is out there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 21, 2018 9:48 PM

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You're saying that L.A. is that bad, right? Not Milwaukee?

I really didn't drive on the expressway around Milwaukee much when I lived up there, but the side streets were wonderful compared to where I grew up. They were actually even better than where I am now, which still isn't all that bad compared to Chicago and at least the south/west suburbs.

I've never been to L.A. I can only imagine how bad it is out there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yes, L.A. Sorry I wasn't clear.
I don't think Milwaukee had more than 4 Lanes other than Merge, Split, Express Lanes. I think they were rated for 8 Lanes in most of the central loop (I-94 from The Zoo to Airport, and I-494), so when construction is completed, these lanes might be there.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:11 AM

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I just saw on the news today bubbling fountains of molten lava. The height of these continuous fountains was not stated, and I didn't see any reference to gauge size or height.

I don't recall such vividly displayed bubbling lava before.
Has there ever before been a lava spouting of this style, or duration, or pace, since the advancements of commonly available High Definition recording equipment?

Does anybody know the vertical distance these gouts are achieving?

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Tuesday, May 22, 2018 8:44 AM

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Had Milwaukee on the brain when you made your last post about "bubbling fountains of molten lava" and it made me think of Bubblers. I never did start calling water fountains Bubblers, but I'll be damned if 8 years after I moved from the Milwaukee area I'm not still calling pop "soda".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:23 PM

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Had Milwaukee on the brain when you made your last post about "bubbling fountains of molten lava" and it made me think of Bubblers. I never did start calling water fountains Bubblers, but I'll be damned if 8 years after I moved from the Milwaukee area I'm not still calling pop "soda".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

After some months in Tennessee, I was having trouble spelling a word for a letter home. Spelling was never a problem for me. It wasn't a word - it was y'all, or yawl. But I never started calling Root Beer "coke" at least.


Have you seen those fountains of lava in Hawaii? Looks just like a bubbler, except slightly slower and the red/orange color seems surreal.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:32 PM

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I just saw on the news today bubbling fountains of molten lava. The height of these continuous fountains was not stated, and I didn't see any reference to gauge size or height.

I don't recall such vividly displayed bubbling lava before.
Has there ever before been a lava spouting of this style, or duration, or pace, since the advancements of commonly available High Definition recording equipment?

Does anybody know the vertical distance these gouts are achieving?

News reported cascading gouts 150 feet into the air. That helps add perspective to the video.

Has anybody seen such vivid video before this month?

And apparently a lava bomb already landed on one guy's leg.
And flying lava at the sea could sink ships if they get too close.


150 feet. How high does Old Faithful blow?

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