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Monday, October 8, 2018 4:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So anyway, while people have been whinging about Kavanaugh, this has been in the news lately:

Planet has only until 2030 to stem catastrophic climate change, experts warn

PHEW !!! At least we have some time! It's not like it's tomorrow, or anything.


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Monday, October 8, 2018 4:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I remember when I was in grade school in the 80's and they said we had until 2000 to do something about it.

I'm not saying that it's bullshit. Quite the contrary. I just wonder why there's never a real sense of urgency about some things.




At any rate, noting can be done about it. Anybody wearing underwear and socks made from slave labor in China where there is no EPA that is posting about this is just as guilty people who drive cars. There's just too many people on the planet. Reducing that number is the only answer.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 8, 2018 5:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Actually, there's a LOT we can do about it. Stopping global warming is well within reach. (BTW, I do doubt you heard about global warming in grade school in the 80's, since the Hockey Stick wasn't published until 1998. You may be mistaking global warming for 'the population bomb', the idea popularized by Ehrlich and Ehrlich in 1968.)

But I do wonder why YOU have no sense of urgency. For me, for all I know, I'll be dead of some age-related condition by 2030. And even if I'm not, my motto is 'always have an exit plan'. But then, what about you? What about the children? What about your niece?

I think your brain has been bludgeoned to death by the nay-sayers, to the point where you have no concern for your own survival, or that of the people you say you care about.

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Monday, October 8, 2018 5:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Nope. They were talking about global climate change as well as the hole in the ozone layer in the 80's when I was in grade school.


I'm 50/50 on everything. That includes religion. Maybe we're all better off when we're gone. The whole world is kind of turning into a vile shithole of a a place these days anyhow. If not, it's not like we're going to know about it after we're gone.

In the mean time, I'll take my monthly power bill insert that says that I regularly use around 40% less than my most efficient neighbors. But I won't think about it too much because whatever percentage I am using wouldn't be used at all if I wasn't here.

Your largest carbon footprint is your children. I don't have any of those either.

On top of that, even with my job, I spend roughly 13 bucks a week on Gasoline for my car. A car that is nearly 25 years old and hasn't been replaced every 3 to 5 years, creating even more of an environmental impact every time you buy a new car.

Not really sure what else I could do to reduce negative impact on the environment. But I do wish you luck.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 8, 2018 6:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I too have a minimal (for a US resident) carbon footprint, though it could always be lower. And I could always do more, in terms of eschewing plastic, walking instead of driving, and planting more trees (and also conserving water). Plus I could support the state of Calif in going further than its Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS of 50 percent clean energy by 2030). Personal, local and state low carbon energies are where people have the most leverage.

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Monday, October 8, 2018 8:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I too have a minimal (for a US resident) carbon footprint, though it could always be lower. And I could always do more, in terms of eschewing plastic, walking instead of driving, and planting more trees (and also conserving water). Plus I could support the state of Calif in going further than its Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS of 50 percent clean energy by 2030). Personal, local and state low carbon energies are where people have the most leverage.



Yeah. I'm not trying to get into a competition with anybody, and to be honest, a large part of my energy conservation is simply a bi-product of my excessively frugal lifestyle.

I think people need to take into account what their own choices in consumer purchases mean to the environment over the length of their lifetime. We've virtually priced ourselves out of manufacturing anything worthwhile in the US that can be afforded by anybody but the elite, and it's all well and good to say that we've made great strides in curbing our own impact on climate change stateside, but the truth is that most of the stuff we do buy is made in other countries that can afford to make them cheaply because of the use of slave labor and destroying their own local environments in the process.


Here's something that REALLY annoys me...

I often wonder if people know what happens to the products that they refuse to buy, simply because the packaging is damaged, even though the product inside is fine.

9 out of 10 cases it's simply cataloged to be written off as a loss, then it gets thrown in the trash compacter. Yup. That's right.

I find this especially wrong when we're talking about bottled water, which more often than not is simply tap water ran through a filter and then put into a non-bio-degradable container. They don't take the time to empty out these bottles and recycle them. Nope. Into the trash compacter it goes.


You already know I don't buy much other than necessities, and my diet is pretty limited, but I always look for the damaged stuff to by when I'm on my way out the door. I feel as if I'm the only one that's going to buy it, otherwise it's just going to be thrown out.

How do you get that message out to the people? How do you get these bleeding heart shitheads that post all this feel good crap online, but refuse to purchase anything with a broken package and dig deep enough to find a good one to stop thinking of themselves on an issue that really wouldn't negatively impact their life at all since once they get home they'll be destroying the package themselves to use the product inside?

Even if large corporations like the one I work for made out big time and didn't pass that financial windfall to their employees I'll still take it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 8, 2018 9:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I look around at our house and, yeah, we could always be lower. But we did the big stuff: we have solar panels and produce most of our own electricity, I've gone native (as far as the yard is concerned), and lately have switched up about a third of our meat for beans. We drive energy-efficient cars and our daughter is an absolute nut about recycling. We've made a lot of other smaller adjustments too .. water-efficient wash machine and toilets etc. So for a western lifestyle, I think we're doing pretty well.

But - as I have a hard time explaining to dear daughter as she stresses about saving every possible drop of water ... it's not like we get to use the water later if we saved it today. Somebody else will use it up in our place, and when we run out, we'll ALL run out ... the savers as well as the wasters.

The USA military is the BIGGEST SINGLE user of energy. Those jets and warships and aircraft carriers ... they measure in gallons per mile, not the other way around.

You want to save energy and waste? Stop spending so much on threatening the rest of the world. Not only will WE save a metric crap-ton of energy, so will everyone else, as they won't have to defend themselves against us.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:07 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm the second oldest person at work, and I have a lot of what I tell the youngsters are 'geezer stories'. And they're 'geezer stories' because they all start out '... when I was growing up ...'.

When I was growing up, all food was just ordinary food, grown on farms without pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, hormones, or cross-species genetic modifications. Now, that's what's called 'organic', and treated as if it's some new-wave high-tech invention. When I was growing up, plastic was a new-fangled invention that nobody used. Milk came in glass bottles that we took back to the dairy a few blocks away, meat was wrapped in butcher paper, bread came from the bakery in paper bags ... When I was growing up, there was only about a third of the people on the planet that there are today.

My childhood was expansive and full of possibility.

Who would have thought, that in my lifetime, we would have gone from possibilities to the end of the line.

It's not like people didn't see this coming. But, despite our self-proclaimed intelligence, we couldn't figure out how to stop. And we won't figure it out. But it's not because we can't develop the technology. It's because we're hostage to our own constructs of money, profit, and power. We'll go over the cliff en masse, rather than give those up.




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Tuesday, October 9, 2018 7:51 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm the second oldest person at work, and I have a lot of what I tell the youngsters are 'geezer stories'. And they're 'geezer stories' because they all start out '... when I was growing up ...'.

When I was growing up, all food was just ordinary food, grown on farms without pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, hormones, or cross-species genetic modifications. Now, that's what's called 'organic', and treated as if it's some new-wave high-tech invention. When I was growing up, plastic was a new-fangled invention that nobody used. Milk came in glass bottles that we took back to the dairy a few blocks away, meat was wrapped in butcher paper, bread came from the bakery in paper bags ... When I was growing up, there was only about a third of the people on the planet that there are today.

My childhood was expansive and full of possibility.

Who would have thought, that in my lifetime, we would have gone from possibilities to the end of the line.

It's not like people didn't see this coming. But, despite our self-proclaimed intelligence, we couldn't figure out how to stop. And we won't figure it out. But it's not because we can't develop the technology. It's because we're hostage to our own constructs of money, profit, and power. We'll go over the cliff en masse, rather than give those up.




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I don't think the powers that be will allow that to happen. You wouldn't believe how many people I know that are a few years younger than me who are either trying unsuccessfully to have children or have just given up.

Not to get all conspiracy theorist, but food we eat is so genetically modified that I can't believe this doesn't have something to do with it.

I've said it before, but it's worth saying again... I don't think it will be too long until worldwide we start seeing a notable decrease in the birthrate. There's a lot of factors to that.

Actually, I think it's kind of humane the way that it's being done. I don't think it will ever resort to any type of genocide or crazy killer virus outbreak like you see in the movies. Just a bunch of crap in the food that the 1%'ers would never eat that makes it a lot harder for people to procreate on top of people choosing not to have so many children because of the cost of living on top of women working until they're too old to really have kids anymore on top of "alternative" lifestyle choices on top of technology and birth control making its way around the world.



There's the answer to climate change right there. If we were somehow able to cut the world's population in half by 2050 and keep it gradually decreasing until there are only about half a billion people left there would be plenty to go around for everybody and any real damage to the environment should be mostly mitigated at that point.


It might sound cruel or depressing to some people, but I think it's the smart thing to do. It's a lot less depressing than finding out that there was a planned outbreak, or we just keep procreating unchecked until human life is completely unsustainable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, October 9, 2018 4:36 PM

REAVERFAN


We have a white house and congress full of science deniers. All Republicans, BTW.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2018 5:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
We have a white house and congress full of science deniers. All Republicans, BTW.



You're a partisan idiot.


The idea that climate could change due to CO2 was first developed in 1899 and the Mauna Loa CO2 measurements that documented rising CO2 were started in 1958. Silent Spring by Rachel Carson was published on 27 September 1962. The Population Bomb, by Ehrlich and Ehrlich, was published in 1968. The Antarctic "ozone hole" was reported in Nature in May 1985.

That's not even counting 'local' environmental disasters, like the Los Angeles killer smog of 1942 (residents thought it was a Japanese chemical warfare attack), or the Cuyahoga River catching fire in 1952

Do I need to total up how MANY 'democratic' Presidents, Senates, and Houses we've had since 1958?







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Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:02 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


just a bump for the awful reality facing us

tho not NEARLY as entertaining as partisan bickering


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Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:24 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's the answer to climate change right there. If we were somehow able to cut the world's population in half by 2050 and keep it gradually decreasing until there are only about half a billion people left there would be plenty to go around for everybody and any real damage to the environment should be mostly mitigated at that point.


It might sound cruel or depressing to some people, but I think it's the smart thing to do. It's a lot less depressing than finding out that there was a planned outbreak, or we just keep procreating unchecked until human life is completely unsustainable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Alternatively, there is the Net Zero House. It cuts back on carbon emissions without cutting back on people. I saw it on TV. It would be a great way to create good jobs for people, too, as old houses are rebuilt to be net zero houses.

www.pbs.org/video/the-net-zero-bungalow-the-jamestown-net-zero-house-j
kcvql
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's the answer to climate change right there. If we were somehow able to cut the world's population in half by 2050 and keep it gradually decreasing until there are only about half a billion people left there would be plenty to go around for everybody and any real damage to the environment should be mostly mitigated at that point.


It might sound cruel or depressing to some people, but I think it's the smart thing to do. It's a lot less depressing than finding out that there was a planned outbreak, or we just keep procreating unchecked until human life is completely unsustainable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Alternatively, there is the Net Zero House. It cuts back on carbon emissions without cutting back on people. I saw it on TV. It would be a great way to create good jobs for people, too, as old houses are rebuilt to be net zero houses.

www.pbs.org/video/the-net-zero-bungalow-the-jamestown-net-zero-house-j
kcvql
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



That's just a band-aid.

Quote:

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day.


That's 17,116,600,000 pounds (17.1 Billion lbs.) of CO2 produced by human beings every single day.

Quote:

Last year, all the world's nations combined pumped nearly 38.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the air from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil, according to new international calculations on global emissions published Sunday in the journal Nature Climate Change.


If we take the daily human average and multiply it by 365 days, human beings exhale 6,247,559,000,000 pounds (6.3 Trillion pounds) of CO2 in a year.

Divide that by 2,000 (1 ton) and that comes out to 3,123,779,500 tons (3.12 Billion tons) of CO2 produced by human beings simply exhaling in a single year, or 8.2% of what we create with all of our industrial activities. That's what we'd put out per year if we suddenly all reverted to caveman lifestyles with no tech or industry.

That's a lot.


And carbon emissions is hardly our largest problem anyhow, or at the very least it's not the only thing one should be concerned about when the world population continues to grow to unsustainable levels.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:17 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's just a band-aid.

Quote:

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day.


That's 17,116,600,000 pounds (17.1 Billion lbs.) of CO2 produced by human beings every single day.

Quote:

Last year, all the world's nations combined pumped nearly 38.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the air from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil, according to new international calculations on global emissions published Sunday in the journal Nature Climate Change.


If we take the daily human average and multiply it by 365 days, human beings exhale 6,247,559,000,000 pounds (6.3 Trillion pounds) of CO2 in a year.

Divide that by 2,000 (1 ton) and that comes out to 3,123,779,500 tons (3.12 Billion tons) of CO2 produced by human beings simply exhaling in a single year, or 8.2% of what we create with all of our industrial activities. That's what we'd put out per year if we suddenly all reverted to caveman lifestyles with no tech or industry.

That's a lot.

And carbon emissions is hardly our largest problem anyhow, or at the very least it's not the only thing one should be concerned about when the world population continues to grow to unsustainable levels.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The Club of Rome sent a representative to the University of Texas at Austin about 45 years ago to speak to mechanical engineering students. I was there. The future did not look good way back then. It still does not. Pessimistically, that 19 out of every 20 people who have ever lived are now dead seems pretty bad for the twentieth person, but as I would have River say, paraphrasing what Wash once said to her about flying, "So long as we have not run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas, all at the same time, we are not dead." If he were alive, he would slap band-aids on the problems and keep flying. River will follow his example, until she has a complete and comprehensive solution to the problem of evil.

www.clubofrome.org

The "problem of evil" acutely applies to monotheistic religions such as Christianity, Islam, and Judaism that believe in a monotheistic God who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent; but the question of "why does evil exist?" has also been studied in religions that are non-theistic or polytheistic, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's just a band-aid.

Quote:

The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day.


That's 17,116,600,000 pounds (17.1 Billion lbs.) of CO2 produced by human beings every single day.

Quote:

Last year, all the world's nations combined pumped nearly 38.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the air from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil, according to new international calculations on global emissions published Sunday in the journal Nature Climate Change.


If we take the daily human average and multiply it by 365 days, human beings exhale 6,247,559,000,000 pounds (6.3 Trillion pounds) of CO2 in a year.

Divide that by 2,000 (1 ton) and that comes out to 3,123,779,500 tons (3.12 Billion tons) of CO2 produced by human beings simply exhaling in a single year, or 8.2% of what we create with all of our industrial activities. That's what we'd put out per year if we suddenly all reverted to caveman lifestyles with no tech or industry.

That's a lot.

And carbon emissions is hardly our largest problem anyhow, or at the very least it's not the only thing one should be concerned about when the world population continues to grow to unsustainable levels.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The Club of Rome sent a representative to the University of Texas at Austin about 45 years ago to speak to mechanical engineering students. I was there. The future did not look good way back then. It still does not. Pessimistically, that 19 out of every 20 people who have ever lived are now dead seems pretty bad for the twentieth person, but as I would have River say, paraphrasing what Wash once said to her about flying, "So long as we have not run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas, all at the same time, we are not dead." If he were alive, he would slap band-aids on the problems and keep flying. River will follow his example, until she has a complete and comprehensive solution to the problem of evil.

www.clubofrome.org

The "problem of evil" acutely applies to monotheistic religions such as Christianity, Islam, and Judaism that believe in a monotheistic God who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent; but the question of "why does evil exist?" has also been studied in religions that are non-theistic or polytheistic, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



I didn't mention anything about evil or morality or religion, but now that you bring it up why not discuss it as well?

As far as I'm aware, the only beings on earth that are capable of evil thoughts or acts are human beings. There are more here now than ever in history, and that's a statement that remains true every day that you say it.


I'm all for slapping on band-aids when necessary, as long as somebody is actively finding solutions to the real problems that exist at the same time.

Allow me to illustrate that statement with examples from my own life recently, both while I was deep into my drinking as well as now. While I was drinking heavily and unemployed, things were falling apart around me. Not just physically and mentally and emotionally, but my house and car were falling into disrepair. Stuff that broke I couldn't afford to replace and unless it was critical to day to day life I didn't even bother putting a band aid on it. Fast forward to today, and I have a little bit of financial wiggle room and my wits about me. Not only are things still breaking, but now I've had to deal with trying to repair or replace things that had already gone when I was letting the problems pile up. Most of the problems that I have to deal with from day to day right now aren't new ones, but it's playing catch up because I had everything held together with duct tape by the time I emerged from my drinking coma.

I "fixed" my car, but it still has other issues and even driving to work back and forth in it still is a source of stress for me. It will remain that way until I have a professional look at it or I buy another one. I have saved quite a bit of money this year, so the amount of stress has been greatly reduced though. I haven't bought another car yet because I don't know what major thing might go first, so until I'm in an even better spot financially I don't want to throw money at that problem just yet. I've put some band aids on that problem, and even though I know they're only a temporary fix, I'm doing what I can to ensure a better outcome down the road.

Not one, but two functions of my lawn mower broke on me this year. Neither of them are "critical" as it still cuts grass fine, but the speed control and the flap on the side that keeps the grass down if you're not using a bag broke on me. Though not critical, I really wouldn't be able to use the mower anymore without at least putting a band aid on the problems because it would require me to hand push the mower on a lawn that already takes 1 1/2 hours to mow in good conditions, and I'd be blowing grass clippings all over the place including in my face while doing it. I'm able to "fix" both of these issues by wrapping a heavy amount of tape around both problems. Neither of these are permanent fixes, as I've regularly had to re-do them when they fail. Maybe I'll have the free time and the ability to permanently fix these problems next spring, or maybe I'll just replace the mower at some point. But again, I wouldn't be able to even think about either of these possibilities if I was still drinking or I was not actually putting money away for things like this in the mean time.




So your zero house is a band aid. That's not necessarily a bad thing, if there are other things being done behind the scenes about the real problem... although I have no idea who would pay for such a thing since we're not all made of money. Putting solar panels on my roof are just about the last thing that comes to mind when I think about what I want to do with my money at this point in my life.

In any event, I believe that there is careful consideration about the population problem by the powers that be.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 11, 2018 10:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So anyway, while people have been whinging about Kavanaugh, this has been in the news lately:

Planet has only until 2030 to stem catastrophic climate change, experts warn

PHEW !!! At least we have some time! It's not like it's tomorrow, or anything.

????

looks around


Where is the Countdown Clock?

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Friday, October 12, 2018 1:21 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You want that in years, months, weeks and day? Days, hours and minutes? My local time? GMT?

pulls up calculator and waits ...




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Friday, October 12, 2018 8:22 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

In any event, I believe that there is careful consideration about the population problem by the powers that be.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Somebody has an idea to save the world (by slapping the bigger band-aid on it, ever):
https://earther.gizmodo.com/geoengineering-is-inevitable-1829623031

After entire countries start to disappear into the ocean, and famine spreads as quickly as the refugees, the only question might be: What took so long to go from idea to reality?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 12, 2018 9:58 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


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Originally posted by second:

After entire countries start to disappear into the ocean, and famine spreads as quickly as the refugees, the only question might be: What took so long to go from idea to reality?





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In the garden, and RAIN!!!!
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SJW Will Eat Itself
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