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Sunday, May 17, 2020 7:14 PM

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Yes, it came out a year ago, May 2019. But I'm just getting round to it and didn't see any other posts here about it, so I made one.

It's stunning. More so for the true fans of the man, and the books, and less so to those who only know his works through the LOTR and *Hobbit movie trilogies.







* The Hobbit is a children's fantasy, for goodness sake, not a giant 3 movie saga. Terrible idea to drag it out....but that's for another thread.

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Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 PM

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I liked the Hobbit cartoon from the 70's. The LOTR movies were okay. Never bothered with the movies.

Hard to say if Tolkien or Lovecraft were a worse read. Both of them had great ideas and imaginations, but they're about as fun to read as the Bible or the manual for my water heater.

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Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:37 AM

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Tolkien was amazing to read. I wasn't all that into books but I've read and re-read The Hobbit and LOTR many times over. Even The Silmarillion, which DOES read like the Bible, at least the first part.

What's so impressive is that he wrote The Hobbit as a children's book and his son , Christopher I believe, was tasked with giving it a review. J.R.R. wanted to know what his son, not yet 10, I believe, thought of the book. Today, it's more likely those in HS or college read The Hobbit, yet 80 years ago, it was actually made for those a bit younger.

If you saw the movie ' Tolkien ', then you can see where the inspiration for Sam, Frodo, Merry and Pippen may have come.

( I don't know this, explicitly, but it's not hard to think there was at least some influence )

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Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:04 PM

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Must be a matter of taste if you say so. I found Tolkien a total bore to read when I attempted it. I can't even remember which book it was, but it was either The Hobbit or whatever the first LOTR book was. It would have been before any of the movies came out, so I'm guessing it was The Hobbit since I liked the cartoon.

I was never really a fantasy guy anyhow though. Sci-Fi and Horror are really my only fiction reads.

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Monday, May 25, 2020 7:29 AM

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I don’t know which cartoon you’re talking about the Rankin Bass one, or the one came out by Frank Bashkee ? Either way, the book takes you to a World and Tolkien puts in a good effort to describe that world. I found it fine although yes, some parts were a bit of a bore. A lot of the singing, and the ballads, without any tune to go buy, just left me lost.

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Monday, May 25, 2020 10:30 AM

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I don’t know which cartoon you’re talking about the Rankin Bass one, or the one came out by Frank Bashkee ? Either way, the book takes you to a World and Tolkien puts in a good effort to describe that world. I found it fine although yes, some parts were a bit of a bore. A lot of the singing, and the ballads, without any tune to go buy, just left me lost.




Not the Ralph Bakshi one. (Although I wasn't aware that one existed and I should watch it now. I do like some of his other stuff like Fritz the Cat and Wizards).

The Rankin/Bass one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit_(1977_film)

My bros and I watched that one a lot along with other classic cartoons like The Last Unicorn. There's something about that era of artwork that just can't be replicated today.


I'm sure Tolkien must have been a fine read if you think so. You've changed my mind on that. The few people I've discussed it with agreed with me and I thought that it was just shit writing. You're the first person I've talked to that felt it was great writing. I'm sure you're not alone.



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Monday, May 25, 2020 5:48 PM

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Side note, I've always hated , even as a little kid, Rankin Bass animation.

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Monday, May 25, 2020 10:16 PM

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Well I definitely can't say that I'm a superfan or anything. Honestly, until you asked the question, I thought that Bakshi did The Hobbit and I never even heard the term Rankin/Bass.

I loved The Last Unicorn though, and it looks as though Rankin/Bass did a lot of the classic stop-motion Christmas shows with ear-worms for songs that I still have stuck in my head to this day even though I probably haven't watched any of them in 30 years.

I do like that old non-Disney art style that was around in the 70's and early 80's though. The cartoons back then also covered more adult and complex topics than most of the crap from the late 80's and beyond.

Sure it was unpolished, but that was part of the draw for me. It was gritty. Dirty. Edgy...

It was rarely ever "safe".


Especially when you went to Fritz the Cat and Heavy Metal territory.

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Monday, May 25, 2020 11:00 PM

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Bakshi, yeah... his movie was LOTR, not so much Hobbit. Had the Nazgul and such. It was trippy, and dark. Sorta like the Heavy Metal animation, as I recall. That's very close to how I saw Hobbits, in my mind. Until Peter Jackson came along.

Anyway, I can only say what I like, and Tolkien was far and away my favorite. Tom Clancy and Michael Crichton are up there as well. Those 3 authors make up a good chunk of the books I've read. Which isn't many, but it's more than none.

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Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:27 AM

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If I'm reading novels, I'm more of an Orwell, Farmer, Niven/Pournell/Barnes guy myself.

Mostly if I read fiction these days, I prefer short stories or maybe novellas if they come recommended highly enough. I'm a slow reader when it comes to reading for enjoyment. The more I enjoy the read, the slower it becomes and I just immerse myself in the world. Not really enough time for that now and/or too many other distractions that are just easier.

I always envied my little brother when he could read a Star Wars novel in a night or two and wondered how he read that fast and whether or not he even could possibly enjoy them when he was burning through them faster than they were being published.



It's possible I might enjoy Tolkien a bit more, 20 years later. My vocabulary has expanded quite a bit since my late teens.

One of the most annoying things to me when I was younger was when I'd be reading something and I'd realize that I'd gone through a whole page or two and I hadn't absorbed anything because my mind was wandering. It wasn't until years later when I read a book (I believe it was Word Power Made Easy by Norman Lewis) when it was explained that when that happens to you it almost always is because you hit a word that you didn't know the meaning of and it derailed your brain like a train off the tracks. His suggestion was to always have a dictionary at your side when reading a book and when you'd catch your mind wandering go back to where you know you stopped paying attention and learn the word that set you off course.

Lo and behold, he was right. 100% of the time that I ever got derailed after reading that it was because of a word I either had never heard before or one who's meaning wasn't quite clear in my mind. Maybe Tolkien used a bunch of words I didn't regularly use back then and I just couldn't immerse myself in his work before.

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