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Uggh... Barbie looks awful (and Oppenheimer is too long)

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Friday, July 21, 2023 11:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


But to its credit, Barbie DOES appear to have an actual story with acts, clearly separating it from any similarly woke schlock that Disney has put out in recent years.



Personally, I don't see what all the hype about this movie OR Oppenheimer is all about.

Bruce says "The long awaited release of Barbie and Oppenheimer is finally here. The pair, fondly referred to by the moniker, “Barbenheimer” is poised to headline one of the biggest movie-going weekends in a few years."

Why?


Barbie isn't going to be taking anybody away from SoF or MI7. The only overlap I could see at all would be a guy who wanted to see MI7 on a date but caved to the wishes of the girlfriend who wanted to see Barbie instead. Poor dudes. I think Barbie will probably crush what was left of the rest of the movies on the top 10 list for the next few weeks.

Being a Biopic, Oppenheimer will probably have some overlap in the group that would see SoF. But 3 hours long? Yikes. I've heard complaints that Dead Reckoning is too long, and yeah, at 2 hours and 45 minutes it certainly is. But at least that won't feel like you're doing homework like sitting through Oppenheimer without the ability to get up to stretch and take a leak without missing anything will.


I might be wrong, but I'm going to come right out against the tide and say that neither of these movies is going to be the 2023 box office saviors that the critics and Twitter bots are saying that they will be.

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Friday, July 21, 2023 1:16 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


'Long' should not be so much of a problem if you have seen other long films, Dances With Wolves, LOTR, Seven Samurai, Interstellar, Carpenter's The Thing remake, The Deer Hunter, Avatar, Doctor Zhivago, Fiddler on the Roof, Ben-Hur, Avengers End Game, The Right Stuff, Last of the Mohicans, Gone With the Wind.

the perception of 'Long' can also be a matter of perspective I sometimes find 1 hour 20 min films to feel too long, I have never finished the Oscar winning 'The English Patient' I might only have seen 20mins or half an hour of it on tv but everytime those 20 mins it felt like 4 hours 'Long'

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Friday, July 21, 2023 1:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
'Long' should not be so much of a problem if you have seen other long films, Dances With Wolves, LOTR, Seven Samurai, Interstellar, Carpenter's The Thing remake, The Deer Hunter, Avatar, Doctor Zhivago, Fiddler on the Roof, Ben-Hur, Avengers End Game, The Right Stuff, Last of the Mohicans, Gone With the Wind.

the perception of 'Long' can also be a matter of perspective I sometimes find 1 hour 20 min films to feel too long, I have never finished the Oscar winning 'The English Patient' I might only have seen 20mins or half an hour of it on tv but everytime those 20 mins it felt like 4 hours 'Long'



"Long" isn't a big deal when you're at home and you can pause and and/or go back to something you missed.

One of the problems with modern cinema is how long they've been making the movies. Since Nolan is making the movie, there's a fairly decent chance that a 3 hour runtime is justified. Many movies today with 2.5 to 3 hour or more run times are not justified though, and there was lazy editing and/or a director that thought what they did was a lot better than it actually was. Of the few movies I've watched out of the last 5 to 10 years, quite a few of them were long movies. And even being at home while watching them, they felt far too long and easily had 20 minutes to a half-hour that could have been removed without sacrificing the quality of the flick. In fact, the long run time actually brought the movies down in most cases.

Leave the long run times for a director's cut that die hard fans will want to pay money to see after the fact. 2 hours is already pushing it. 3 hours in a cinema with no intermission is miserable.

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Friday, July 21, 2023 2:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I weep for humanity...

According to The Numbers, Barbie made $22,300,000 in previews on Thursday. The only movie to beat that in 2023 was Super Mario Bros with over $31 Million.

Nobody else was even close, with Guardians 3 and Ant Man 3 making $17.5 Million and Miles Morales 2 making $17.35 Million.

Gross.


Well... let's try to look at the bright side. At least people are telling Disney and WB that they're tired of superhero flicks anyhow.




Oppenheimer, meanwhile, made a much more modest $10,500,000 which is about what I expected either of these films to make in previews.

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Friday, July 21, 2023 5:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I weep for humanity...

According to The Numbers, Barbie made $22,300,000 in previews on Thursday. The only movie to beat that in 2023 was Super Mario Bros with over $31 Million.

Nobody else was even close, with Guardians 3 and Ant Man 3 making $17.5 Million and Miles Morales 2 making $17.35 Million.

Gross.


Well... let's try to look at the bright side. At least people are telling Disney and WB that they're tired of superhero flicks anyhow.




Oppenheimer, meanwhile, made a much more modest $10,500,000 which is about what I expected either of these films to make in previews.

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How you do anything is how you do everything.

Well....
You mean the $ from Wed showtimes plus Thurs showtimes.

I can believe the $ from Wed were about $7M, and then Thurs would be about $14M.
That would explain the $7M missing from average Wed total Box Office.

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Friday, July 21, 2023 7:02 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


Gross.


Well... let's try to look at the bright side.



'Here's how they launched the Barbie movie in Madrid'

https://gettr.com/post/p2mj7ckce60

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Friday, July 21, 2023 7:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I weep for humanity...

According to The Numbers, Barbie made $22,300,000 in previews on Thursday. The only movie to beat that in 2023 was Super Mario Bros with over $31 Million.

Nobody else was even close, with Guardians 3 and Ant Man 3 making $17.5 Million and Miles Morales 2 making $17.35 Million.

Gross.


Well... let's try to look at the bright side. At least people are telling Disney and WB that they're tired of superhero flicks anyhow.




Oppenheimer, meanwhile, made a much more modest $10,500,000 which is about what I expected either of these films to make in previews.

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How you do anything is how you do everything.

Well....
You mean the $ from Wed showtimes plus Thurs showtimes.

I can believe the $ from Wed were about $7M, and then Thurs would be about $14M.
That would explain the $7M missing from average Wed total Box Office.



There's no evidence of this.

If that were the case, Barbie would have been a Thursday release instead of a Friday release.

And if they were taking money for Barbie since Wednesday night, that means that SoF was not number 1 in the Box Office for Thursday.

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Friday, July 21, 2023 7:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


Gross.


Well... let's try to look at the bright side.



'Here's how they launched the Barbie movie in Madrid'

https://gettr.com/post/p2mj7ckce60



Weird. The freaks are out.

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Saturday, July 22, 2023 8:58 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Being a Biopic, Oppenheimer will probably have some overlap in the group that would see SoF. But 3 hours long? Yikes. I've heard complaints that Dead Reckoning is too long, and yeah, at 2 hours and 45 minutes it certainly is. But at least that won't feel like you're doing homework like sitting through Oppenheimer without the ability to get up to stretch and take a leak without missing anything will.

Or you could read in two minutes the article about Oppenheimer and avoid the biopic. Here is the heart of the article and the movie:

Oppenheimer’s chief contribution was as camp counselor of Los Alamos.

Oppenheimer encouraged them on, and his charisma cast a sort of spell over the campers. It is no coincidence that much of the serious thinking about the bomb — morally and politically — happened elsewhere, in Chicago under Leo Szilard or in the giant head of the Danish genius Niels Bohr. Oppenheimer whipped them up with a simple message: we need to get the bomb before Hitler.

As it turns out, this was all mistaken. We now know that the Nazis had decided against a nuclear fission program by 1942. Nazi planners needed raw materials and manpower for armaments production, and Nazi scientists thought a bomb couldn’t be delivered in time to affect the war in Europe, which very much proved to be the case. So the Manhattan Project did not in fact deter, and did not need to deter, Hitler from developing and using the bomb. The scientists were working based on a mistake.

The main effect of the Manhattan Project was to bring forward in time the era of the bomb and the era of the nuclear arms race. The existential risk researcher Toby Ord calls this era “the Precipice”: the first period in which humanity can destroy itself. The US would likely not have “sprinted” to the same extent, spending 0.4 percent of GDP, for a peacetime Manhattan Project. And Oppenheimer’s nemesis Lewis Strauss may have been right, if for the wrong reasons, when he accused Oppenheimer of helping the Soviet nuclear program. Quite simply, it would have taken the Soviets years longer if they couldn’t just copy the secrets of the Manhattan Project. Szilard and Albert Einstein, whose 1939 letter prompted President Franklin Roosevelt to begin the US nuclear program, later described their advocacy for the project as the greatest mistake of their life.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/7/22/23803380/j-robert-oppenhe
imer-film-movie-nuclear-weapons-manhattan-project-world-war-ii-christopher-nolan


Still here? The article continues: This was not simply an honest mistake. Joseph Rotblat — the only scientist to resign from the Manhattan Project — got a nasty shock in May 1944 when, at a dinner, Groves said, “You realize, of course, that the main purpose of this project is to subdue the Russians.” Later, Groves testified that “there was never, from about two weeks from the time I took charge of this Project, any illusion on my part but that Russia was our enemy.” It is hard to reconcile this bloodlessness with Matt Damon’s blithe face as Groves in Christopher Nolan’s film.

How complicit was Oppenheimer? David Hawkins, Oppenheimer’s aide and the Manhattan Project’s official historian, claims that Groves told Oppenheimer at the end of 1943 that the Nazis had abandoned their attempt — and Oppenheimer shrugged. Was the bomb just too “technically sweet” for Oppenheimer to resist?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I weep for humanity...

According to The Numbers, Barbie made $22,300,000 in previews on Thursday. The only movie to beat that in 2023 was Super Mario Bros with over $31 Million.

Nobody else was even close, with Guardians 3 and Ant Man 3 making $17.5 Million and Miles Morales 2 making $17.35 Million.

Gross.


Well... let's try to look at the bright side. At least people are telling Disney and WB that they're tired of superhero flicks anyhow.




Oppenheimer, meanwhile, made a much more modest $10,500,000 which is about what I expected either of these films to make in previews.

--------------------------------------------------

How you do anything is how you do everything.

Well....
You mean the $ from Wed showtimes plus Thurs showtimes.

I can believe the $ from Wed were about $7M, and then Thurs would be about $14M.
That would explain the $7M missing from average Wed total Box Office.



There's no evidence of this.

If that were the case, Barbie would have been a Thursday release instead of a Friday release.

And if they were taking money for Barbie since Wednesday night, that means that SoF was not number 1 in the Box Office for Thursday.

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How you do anything is how you do everything.

regmovies.com/static/en/us/promotions/barbie-pink-popcorn

https://www.regmovies.com/static/en/us/promotions/barbie-pink-popcorn

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Saturday, July 22, 2023 7:37 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Oppenheimer’s folly: On black holes, fundamental laws and pure and applied science

On September 1, 1939, the same day that Germany attacked Poland and started World War 2, a remarkable paper appeared in the pages of the journal Physical Review.

By Ashutosh Jogalekar on June 26, 2014
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/oppenhei
mer-8217-s-folly-on-black-holes-fundamental-laws-and-pure-and-applied-science
/

On September 1, 1939, the same day that Germany attacked Poland and started World War 2, a remarkable paper appeared in the pages of the journal Physical Review. In it J. Robert Oppenheimer and his student Hartland Snyder laid out the essential characteristics of what we today call the black hole. Building on work done by Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Fritz Zwicky and Lev Landau, Oppenheimer and Snyder described how an infalling observer on the surface of an object whose mass exceeded a critical mass would appear to be in a state of perpetual free fall to an outsider. The paper was the culmination of two years of work and followed two other articles in the same journal.

Then Oppenheimer forgot all about it and never said anything about black holes for the rest of his life.

He had not worked on black holes before 1938, and he would not do so ever again. Ironically, it is this brief contribution to physics that is now widely considered to be Oppenheimer’s greatest, enough to have possibly warranted him a Nobel Prize had he lived long enough to see experimental evidence for black holes show up with the advent of radio astronomy.

What happened? Oppenheimer’s lack of interest wasn’t just because he became the director of the Manhattan Project a few years later and got busy with building the atomic bomb. It also wasn't because he despised the free-thinking and eccentric Zwicky who had laid the foundations for the field through the discovery of black holes' parents - neutron stars. It wasn’t even because he achieved celebrity status after the war, became the most powerful scientist in the country and spent an inordinate amount of time consulting in Washington until his carefully orchestrated downfall in 1954. All these factors contributed, but the real reason was something else entirely – Oppenheimer just wasn’t interested in black holes. Even after his downfall, when he had plenty of time to devote to physics, he never talked or wrote about them. The creator of black holes basically did not think they mattered.

Oppenheimer’s rejection of one of the most fascinating implications of modern physics and one of the most enigmatic objects in the universe - and one he sired - is documented well by Freeman Dyson who tried to initiate conversations about the topic with him. Every time Dyson brought it up Oppenheimer would change the subject, almost as if he had disowned his own scientific children.

The reason, as attested to by Dyson and others who knew him, was that in his last few decades Oppenheimer was stricken by a disease which I call “fundamentalitis”. Fundamentalitis is a serious condition that causes its victims to believe that the only thing worth thinking about is the deep nature of reality as manifested through the fundamental laws of physics.

As Dyson put it:

“Oppenheimer in his later years believed that the only problem worthy of the attention of a serious theoretical physicist was the discovery of the fundamental equations of physics. Einstein certainly felt the same way. To discover the right equations was all that mattered. Once you had discovered the right equations, then the study of particular solutions of the equations would be a routine exercise for second-rate physicists or graduate students.”

Thus for Oppenheimer, black holes, which were particular solutions of general relativity, were mundane; the general theory itself was the real deal. In addition they were anomalies, ugly exceptions which were best ignored rather than studied. As Dyson mentions, unfortunately Oppenheimer was not the only one affected by this condition. Einstein, who spent his last few years in a futile search for a grand unified theory, was another. Like Oppenheimer he was uninterested in black holes, but he also went a step further by not believing in quantum mechanics. Einstein’s fundamentalitis was quite pathological indeed.

History proved that both Oppenheimer and Einstein were deeply mistaken about black holes and fundamental laws. The greatest irony is not that black holes are very interesting, it is that in the last few decades the study of black holes has shed light on the very same fundamental laws that Einstein and Oppenheimer believed to be the only thing worth studying. The disowned children have come back to haunt the ghosts of their parents.

Black holes took off after the war largely due to the efforts of John Wheeler in the US and Dennis Sciama in the UK. The new science of radio astronomy showed us that, far from being anomalies, black holes litter the landscape of the cosmos, including the center of the Milky Way. A decade after Oppenheimer’s death, the Israeli theorist Jacob Bekenstein proved a very deep relationship between thermodynamics and black hole physics. Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose found out that black holes contain singularities; far from being ugly anomalies, black holes thus demonstrated Einstein’s general theory of relativity in all its glory. They also realized that a true understanding of singularities would involve the marriage of quantum mechanics and general relativity, a paradigm that’s as fundamental as any other in physics.

In perhaps the most exciting development in the field, Leonard Susskind, Hawking and others have found intimate connections between information theory and black holes, leading to the fascinating black hole firewall paradox that forges very deep connections between thermodynamics, quantum mechanics and general relativity. Black holes are even providing insights into computer science and computational complexity. The study of black holes is today as fundamental as the study of elementary particles in the 1950s.

Einstein and Oppenheimer could scarcely have imagined that this cornucopia of discoveries would come from an entity that they despised. But their wariness toward black holes is not only an example of missed opportunities or the fact that great minds can sometimes suffer from tunnel vision. I think the biggest lesson from the story of Oppenheimer and black holes is that what is considered ‘applied’ science can actually turn out to harbor deep fundamental mysteries. Both Oppenheimer and Einstein considered the study of black holes to be too applied, an examination of anomalies and specific solutions unworthy of thinkers thinking deep thoughts about the cosmos. But the delicious irony was that black holes in fact contained some of the deepest mysteries of the cosmos, forging unexpected connections between disparate disciplines and challenging the finest minds in the field. If only Oppenheimer and Einstein had been more open-minded.

The discovery of fundamental science in what is considered applied science is not unknown in the history of physics. For instance Max Planck was studying blackbody radiation, a relatively mundane and applied topic, but it was in blackbody radiation that the seeds of quantum theory were found. Similarly it was spectroscopy or the study of light emanating from atoms that led to the modern framework of quantum mechanics in the 1920s. Scores of similar examples abound in the history of physics; in a more recent case, it was studies in condensed matter physics that led physicist Philip Anderson to make significant contributions to symmetry breaking and the postulation of the existence of the Higgs boson. And in what is perhaps the most extreme example of an applied scientist making fundamental contributions, it was the investigation of cannons and heat engines by French engineer Sadi Carnot that led to a foundational law of science – the second law of thermodynamics.

Today many physicists are again engaged in a search for ultimate laws, with at least some of them thinking that these ultimate laws would be found within the framework of string theory. These physicists probably regard other parts of physics, and especially the applied ones, as unworthy of their great theoretical talents. For these physicists the story of Oppenheimer and black holes should serve as a cautionary tale. Nature is too clever to be constrained into narrow bins, and sometimes it is only by poking around in the most applied parts of science that one can see the gleam of fundamental principles.

As Einstein might have said had he known better, the distinction between the pure and the applied is often only a "stubbornly persistent illusion". It's an illusion that we must try hard to dispel.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 22, 2023 9:15 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quantum Mechanics also gave us the computing chip


In our pop culture 'Atomics' can be part of 2 cultural messages, the happy kid message in a toon the 'Jetsons' opportunity and cartoonish fun of the Nuclear age and the other cultural side you have video game culture like Fallout which show a Fantasy horror scifi Terminator landscape.


In our world today Nuclear Weapons still proliferate as we see by Putin spreading missiles to Belarus, the opportunity for Power changes, pipelines bombed, political sanction in place because of Russian invasion of Ukraine, Green party wanted Germans to go back to bicycles and confusion as Germany goes back to coal.

With the power of the atom unleashed how has it gone backwards?


There is a guy who appears in social media, not a true expert but in math, physics, the sciences of the cosmos and quantum mechanics circles,
'Eric R Weinstein'
Who claims humanity or the West is stagnating, chasing its own tail with philosophy and claims man has not discovered anything real and applicable or a truly original practical science since the 60s and 1970s.

politically maybe he has a bone to pick

https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1682256347029438464

During the past few crazy Left vs Right year, Conservative vs Liberalism years his brother also got censored

Eric Weinstein is not a big fan of the new 'String Theory' guys

https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1681516386307194880



Nuke proliferation is a horror scene of spreading nuclear weapons, nuclear technology, fissionable material and nuclear weapons-making information to countries, Kingdoms or groups that do not already possess them.

Nuke power isn't always terrible a natural source of Nuke energy is our shining Sun, Regulated Nuclear power like 'Thorium' or Fusion might fix the world's energy needs.


Eric Ross Weinstein not an astronomer or nuclear physics guy but an American hedge fund director and podcast host.

He is very controversial in politics



on another controversial radio show 'Joe Rogan'

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Weird. The freaks are out.




90%

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/oppenheimer

96% on Rotten Tomatoes


movie Barbie is 80 maybe

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/barbie

Barbie not sure about its RT but currently holds a % positive rating

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Saturday, July 22, 2023 9:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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I weep for humanity...

According to The Numbers, Barbie made $22,300,000 in previews on Thursday. The only movie to beat that in 2023 was Super Mario Bros with over $31 Million.

Nobody else was even close, with Guardians 3 and Ant Man 3 making $17.5 Million and Miles Morales 2 making $17.35 Million.

Gross.


Well... let's try to look at the bright side. At least people are telling Disney and WB that they're tired of superhero flicks anyhow.




Oppenheimer, meanwhile, made a much more modest $10,500,000 which is about what I expected either of these films to make in previews.

--------------------------------------------------

How you do anything is how you do everything.

Well....
You mean the $ from Wed showtimes plus Thurs showtimes.

I can believe the $ from Wed were about $7M, and then Thurs would be about $14M.
That would explain the $7M missing from average Wed total Box Office.



There's no evidence of this.

If that were the case, Barbie would have been a Thursday release instead of a Friday release.

And if they were taking money for Barbie since Wednesday night, that means that SoF was not number 1 in the Box Office for Thursday.

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How you do anything is how you do everything.

regmovies.com/static/en/us/promotions/barbie-pink-popcorn

https://www.regmovies.com/static/en/us/promotions/barbie-pink-popcorn




Okay. Lucky for SoF they didn't consider that a Thursday release then so it could get one last day in 1st place.

Regardless, this woke turd made over $70 Million by Friday night. That's more than any other movie in 2023, including Super Mario Bros.


It appears that Hollywood did learn a lesson this year. But it wasn't the right one.



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Saturday, July 22, 2023 9:38 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Barbie has a Transexual Shemale Transgender barbie 'Hari Nef'


Anti-LGBTQ Preacher Calls for Holy Judgment Against “Barbie”

https://www.metroweekly.com/2023/07/anti-lgbtq-preacher-calls-for-holy
-judgment-against-barbie-movie
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'Oppenheimer' movie review: Nolan’s bleak biopic is measured and masterful

https://www.indulgexpress.com/entertainment/cinema/2023/jul/22/oppenhe
imer-movie-review-nolansbleak-biopicis-measured-and-masterful-51271.html



weekly
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekly/
international charts
https://www.the-numbers.com/international-charts-overview


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Sunday, July 23, 2023 8:25 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Oppenheimer Ending

Now, however, comes the key moment, and the one that strikes the dark note that the film closes on. As Einstein turns to leave, Oppenheimer reminds him of an earlier conversation they had before the testing of the first atom bomb, when the Manhattan Project physicists were worried that the chain reaction caused by the atomic bomb might never end — that it could proceed to ignite the Earth’s atmosphere and destroy the planet.

“When I came to you with those calculations,” Oppenheimer tells Einstein, “we thought we might start a chain reaction that might destroy the entire world.”

“What of it?” Einstein asks.

“I believe we did,” Oppenheimer says.

As the camera closes in on his face, we cut to an array of modern-day nuclear missiles. (Look fast, and you might notice a sliver of Oppenheimer’s telltale silhouette in the corner of the frame.) Drifting among the clouds, we see vapor trails of nukes being fired through the air. We then see Oppenheimer, stuck inside a plane, watching the night sky lit up with rockets passing above — an image tied to a memory earlier in the film from David Dastmalchian’s William Borden, who recalled being in a plane watching German V-2 rockets headed toward England. We see explosions across the surface of the planet, their blast radiuses unspeakably vast. Then, a ring of fire begins to consume the Earth. The very last image of the film is Oppenheimer’s face in extreme close-up, staring at the droplets in the pond, and closing his eyes. Perceptive viewers might realize that these final frames echo the movie’s opening images, which were of the young Oppenheimer in close-up, looking at droplets of rain in a small pool of water.

It’s an astonishingly powerful ending, in part because it gives grim cinematic life to the generational fear that nukes are effectively Chekhov’s gun: a weapon introduced in an earlier act of our lives that will inevitably be used before our story ends. Nolan, like many of us, grew up under the specter of thermonuclear annihilation. It’s an old, defining fear that has been dormant in recent years, but it’s never really gone away, has it? Recent events in Russia and Ukraine have served as grisly reminders that we all remain just a hair trigger away from incinerating ourselves in a nuclear holocaust.

So, that’s the ultra-nihilistic reading. I did ask Nolan whether he’d anticipated this kind of reaction to the finale. “It’s the response I’d hoped for in terms of the strength of the reaction,” he said. “That specificity certainly wasn’t my intention.” Nolan doesn’t want to send messages with his work, and he’s adamant about never being didactic. But he did want, he says “a strong set of troubling reverberations at the end. And I felt strongly that if I did my job right, those would land differently with each individual watching the film and different audiences.”

“The whole film is about consequences. The delayed onset of consequences that people often forget.” — Christopher Nolan

https://www.vulture.com/article/oppenheimer-ending-explained-christoph
er-nolan.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sunday, July 23, 2023 9:58 AM

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WARNING: It looks as though Second put the ending spoilers to Oppenheimer in his post this morning because he's a douchebag.

It's been out like two days dude.

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Sunday, July 23, 2023 11:06 AM

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Barbie scores 07/23

Rotten Tomatoes:
All Critics: 90%
Top Critics 91%
Verified Audience: 90%
All Audience: 74%

IMDB:
7.6/10

Metacritic:
Critics: 80/100
Users: 5.6/100

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Sunday, July 23, 2023 11:10 AM

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Lyrics to a "family friendly kids movie" in 2023...

Barbie World - Nicki Minaj and Ice Spice

I'm always yours (stop playin' with 'em, RIOT)
Ooh whoa
And I'm bad like the Barbie (Barbie)
I'm a doll, but I still wanna party (party)
Pink 'Vette like I'm ready to bend (bend)
I'm a ten, so I pull in a Ken
Like Jazzie, Stacie, Nicki (grrah)
All of the Barbies is pretty (damn)
All of the Barbies is bad
It girls (It girls) and we ain't playin' tag (grrah)
Rad (rad), but he spank me when I get bad
I'm in LA, Rodeo Drive (Drive)
I'm in New York, Madison Ave
I'm a Barbie girl (girl), Pink Barbie Dreamhouse
The way Ken be killin' shit, got me yellin' out like the Scream house (woo)
Yellin' out, we ain't sellin' out
We got money, but we ain't lendin' out
We got bars, but we ain't bailin' out
In that pink Ferrari, we peelin' out
I told Tae bring the Bob Dylan out
That pussy so cold, we just chillin' out
They be yellin', yellin', ye-yellin' out
It's Barbie, bitch, if you still in doubt (ooh)
And I'm bad like the Barbie (Barbie)
I'm a doll, but I still wanna party (party)
Pink 'Vette like I'm ready to bend (bend)
I'm a ten, so I pull in a Ken
Like Jazzie, Stacie, Nicki (grrah)
All of the Barbies is pretty (damn)
All of the Barbies is bad
It girls (It girls) and we ain't playin' tag (grrah)
Barbie ain't nothin' to play 'bout
He wanna play in the playhouse (playhouse)
The fuck they gon' say now? (Grrah)
I'm washin' these bitches, I'm rubbin' the stain out

Like I'm ready to bend (grrah)
All the fake Barbies just wanna pretend (like)
Like hold on, let me go find me a pen (grrah)
Look where it led, now I'ma put it to bed
She a Barbie bitch with her Barbie clique (grrah)
I keep draggin' her, so she bald a bit (damn)
And I see the bread, I want all of it (damn)
And I want the green, so I olive it (grrah)
And I throw it back, so he losin' it (like)
And I give the box with no shoes in it (damn)
Yeah, I know the trick, so I got him bricked (damn)
Yeah, they know who lit, me and Barbie, bitch
And I'm bad like the Barbie (Barbie)
I'm a doll, but I still wanna party (party)
Pink 'Vette like I'm ready to bend (bend)
I'm a ten, so I pull in a Ken
Like Jazzie, Stacie, Nicki (grrah)
All of the Barbies is pretty (damn)
All of the Barbies is bad
It girls (It girls) and we ain't playin' tag (grrah)
I'm a Barbie girl in the Barbie world
Life in plastic, it's fantastic
You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere
Imagination



Sounds about right.

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Sunday, July 23, 2023 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
WARNING: It looks as though Second put the ending spoilers to Oppenheimer in his post this morning because he's a douchebag.

It's been out like two days dude.

“The whole film is about consequences. The delayed onset of consequences that people often forget.” — Christopher Nolan
About consequences. 6ix, you smoke. So did Oppenheimer. Smoking killed him early in life. With all his intelligence, he didn't anticipate that death, but he should have. He didn't anticipate the $10 trillion the USA would spend on nuclear weapons but he should have since there were plenty of previous examples of weapon manufacturing expanding as fast as humans could build them.

Several comments about spoilers, as in IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SPOIL OPPENHEIMER UNLESS YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO KNOWS NOTHING, which pretty accurately describes 6ixStringJack and his Trumptard relatives, colleagues, acquaintances, and Indiana ignoramuses:

1) Oppenheimer is not a murder mystery like Knives Out (2019) where the viewer figures out who the real killer is as the major part of the entertainment value of the movie.

2) Oppenheimer, the man himself, was not sure that the Trinity bomb would actually explode as designed, but there is no uncertainty for the viewers unless they wandered into the wrong auditorium while looking for Barbie.

3) Oppenheimer was even less sure that the Trinity bomb wouldn't set the atmosphere on fire, but there is no uncertainty now.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Sunday, July 23, 2023 5:45 PM

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Shut up, cunt.



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Sunday, July 23, 2023 8:03 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Shut up, cunt.

Physicist I. I. Rabi (rhymes with “hobby”), winner of the 1944 Nobel Prize in Physics, said the same thing about Oppenheimer.

Because Rabi was completely nonobservant (his lifelong attitude toward religion was “I don’t need fairy tales”), he saw Oppenheimer’s spiritual vagaries not as a sacrilege but as an apostasy of reason unforgiveable in a scientist. Yet one should never discount competitiveness even at the highest levels of achievement. I’m certain that Rabi and his wife also felt that Oppenheimer had become far too celebrated as the philosopher king of science rather than for his actual discoveries, which Rabi’s research far outstripped. His work on nuclear magnetic resonance, the basis for both radar and the MRI, won him the Nobel. Oppenheimer was nominated for the prize three times but never received it. According to Bird and Sherwin, “In the rarefied world of physics, Rabi would come to be regarded as the deep thinker and Oppenheimer as the great synthesizer.”

From the outset, Rabi had moral qualms about the development of nuclear weapons. “I was strongly opposed to bombing ever since 1931, when I saw those pictures of the Japanese bombing that suburb of Shanghai,” he reminisced late in life. “You drop a bomb and it falls on the just and the unjust. There is no escape from it.… I didn’t like it then and I don’t now.” He resisted Oppenheimer’s pleas to join his New Mexico team, instead spending the war years at MIT perfecting radar, which he thought was more crucial to achieving victory.

Rabi's wife, the perspicacious Helen Newmark Rabi, had known the more-sensitive-than-thou Oppenheimer since early childhood—they were classmates at New York’s private, progressive Ethical Culture School, where he enrolled in 1911—and considered him an insufferable poseur. Rabi held a more amused, though hardly uncritical, view of Oppenheimer’s high-flown airs. They first met in 1929, while both were pursuing postgraduate studies in Europe. Rabi attributed their dissimilarities to class, Oppenheimer having been, in his unsparing words, “a rich spoiled Jewish brat,” the eldest son of highly assimilated German Jews. The Oppenheimers’ full-floor apartment on Riverside Drive was hung with a Blue Period Picasso and three Van Gogh canvases, among other artworks, the opulent opposite of the two-room Lower East Side tenement flat where Rabi grew up in an impoverished Galician-Jewish family. For him, science was the universal equalizer of humankind, rather than the transcendental elevator of the spirit that Oppenheimer deemed it to be.

The fact is that Oppenheimer was not the high-minded martyr of personal conscience—a modern-day Thomas More—that his legend would have us believe. Late and soon he craved establishment validation. This was evident in his postwar career as director of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, the multidisciplinary think tank that he flippantly described to Time magazine as “an intellectual hotel.” There he gathered together a pantheon of younger physicists to surround the aged Einstein, who had arrived after fleeing Germany in 1933. “It was to prove unfortunate but true,” wrote the Dutch physicist Abraham Pais, an IAS faculty member, “that Robert relished belonging to America’s center of temporal power.”

In a scene in Nolan’s film that quotes directly from the transcripts of the hearing where Oppenheimer loses his top secret security clearance, Krumholtz’s Rabi exasperatedly asks his interrogators how one could possibly question the loyalty of “a man who had accomplished what Dr. Oppenheimer has accomplished…. We have an A-bomb and a whole series of it, and what more do you want, mermaids?” (At the inclusion of that line, Margaret and I were completely won over: for decades “mermaids,” our all-time favorite Rabi-ism, has been a family catchphrase for ungratefully excessive demands.)

https://www.nybooks.com/online/2023/07/21/oppies-problem-oppenheimer/

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Sunday, July 23, 2023 8:11 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Biopic Docu Drama movies trying to make money not so easy?


The Elephant Man, Casino, Amadeus, Ed Wood, American Splendor, Chaplin, Nixon, The Right Stuff, Marie Antoinette, Heavenly Creatures, Darkest Hour, Alive, Ip Man, The Doors, Persepolis, The Last King of Scotland, The Hurricane not all of these movies made money, some of them even flopped





‘Barbie’ Box Office: Greta Gerwig Breaks Opening Weekend Record for Female Director
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/barbie-greta-gerwi
g-record-female-director-1235541894
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It looks as though Second put the ending spoilers to Oppenheimer in his post this morning because he's a douchebag.




I personally am not too worried, we have a few science, history, AI and space threads and if you followed War or History or Science a lot of readers would already know of these guys, people like Werner Heisenberg if you are the reader of history and war and science might some of the back story. You might know of FDR and Hitler and Stalin, the improvement in sciences across Europe at this time, the Jewish politics and involved with Bolseviks and the rise of the Right and then Hitler blaming the Left or blaming all problems on Jews and trying to build a Military Reich and SuperRace, you might know of Niels Bohr, Einstein, Truman, Hirohito, Isaac Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Nikola Tesla, Michael Faraday, Marie Curie, Wilhelm Röntgen, Antoine Henri Becquerel the Principle of special relativity the revolutionary theory on Quantum Physics and atomic structures, and people might know of Oppenheimer himself and the Joe McCarthy witchhunts and Red Scare and people with their hoax trials and trying to call him a 'Traitor'. I will probably watch the movies anyways, Spoilers or not

However I have not read the book on which the movie is based

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Sunday, July 23, 2023 8:24 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Barbie movie wins box office battle in US
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66285161.amp
The Barbie film has become the US and Canada's biggest film of the year


and Oppenheimer era


Many important people at this time and Isidor Isaac Rabi the Polish-Jewish who later helped build Cern?

the War with Germany had been won

in the East on the Pacific front, they only surrendered a week after a second Nuclear bomb in Nagasaki, and Hirohito had to overrule his war council.

There is a clip a BBC Drama about the Hiroshima Bomb

it took 2 bombs for Japan to Surrender

What of a war if they still had not surrendered?



they in the USA could not make Plutonium bombs easy, it was moving slow, possibly Uranium bombs and maybe it would have been months until the next drop. China was going Red or maybe setting the stage for its own civil war and the Soviet Union attacked Manchuria driving out Imperial Japanese soliders with a million and a half troops. A mix of Russian Soviets, the Nationalist - KMT - and Communist - CPC - Chinese, and the Americans and allies to take over the control of all of Eastern China from the Japanese occupiers? Maybe in another alternative Dimension timeline Japan did not surrender and Taiwan went Communist Red while Mainland China went Capitalist Nationalist? sounds like a plot to a time travel movie.


Now DECLASSIFIED, only a few Americans back in 1945 ever were privileged to have access to a plan which, to this day, few Americans – and fewer Australians – still know about.
https://navyhistory.au/operation-downfall-the-invasion-of-japan/
Buried deep for decades in the US National Archives in Washington, thousands of yellowing, dusty pages marked TOP SECRET now reveal the enormity of OPERATION DOWNFALL – the proposed invasion of Japan.


From 1939–1945 the USA had 291,550 + combat deaths


Quote:

A total of 4.5 million American servicemen – more than 40% of all still in uniform in 1945 – would be involved.

One US Admiral estimated there would be some 250,000 Americans killed or wounded on Kyushu alone. A General estimated American casualties from the entire operation would be one million men by the fall of 1946.




General MacArthur had his own fantasies about using Nuke weapons prior to 'Downfall'. MacArthur was still going on these fantasies during the Korean War. Did the USA get close to a Military Dictatorship, April 1951, U.S. president Harry S. Truman relieved General of the Army Douglas MacArthur of his commands after MacArthur made public statements that contradicted the administration's policies. Would Oppenheimer have been jailed for being to close to the Left in his past time during a Red Scare or examined past associations, old friend and organizations affiliated with the Communist Party, maybe he would have been mashed with some Neo-Patriot-Act or sent to Gulag USA? Finally given reward in the 60s in gestures of political rehabilitation. A witch hunted disgraced member of a political trail or a person of government is restored to public respectability

Some in official PDF say 'failed to follow its own rules'
https://web.archive.org/web/20230723192759/https://www.energy.gov/site
s/default/files/2022-12/S1%20Oppenheimer%20Order%2012.12.22%20signed%20by%20S1%2012-16-2022.pdf

fairness of the proceeding?

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Sunday, July 23, 2023 10:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Biopic Docu Drama movies trying to make money not so easy?


The Elephant Man, Casino, Amadeus, Ed Wood, American Splendor, Chaplin, Nixon, The Right Stuff, Marie Antoinette, Heavenly Creatures, Darkest Hour, Alive, Ip Man, The Doors, Persepolis, The Last King of Scotland, The Hurricane not all of these movies made money, some of them even flopped





‘Barbie’ Box Office: Greta Gerwig Breaks Opening Weekend Record for Female Director
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/barbie-greta-gerwi
g-record-female-director-1235541894
/

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It looks as though Second put the ending spoilers to Oppenheimer in his post this morning because he's a douchebag.




I personally am not too worried, we have a few science, history, AI and space threads and if you followed War or History or Science a lot of readers would already know of these guys, people like Werner Heisenberg if you are the reader of history and war and science might some of the back story. You might know of FDR and Hitler and Stalin, the improvement in sciences across Europe at this time, the Jewish politics and involved with Bolseviks and the rise of the Right and then Hitler blaming the Left or blaming all problems on Jews and trying to build a Military Reich and SuperRace, you might know of Niels Bohr, Einstein, Truman, Hirohito, Isaac Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Nikola Tesla, Michael Faraday, Marie Curie, Wilhelm Röntgen, Antoine Henri Becquerel the Principle of special relativity the revolutionary theory on Quantum Physics and atomic structures, and people might know of Oppenheimer himself and the Joe McCarthy witchhunts and Red Scare and people with their hoax trials and trying to call him a 'Traitor'. I will probably watch the movies anyways, Spoilers or not

However I have not read the book on which the movie is based




To 99% of the people in the country, Heisenberg was Walter White's handle on Breaking Bad.

Even less people know who Oppenheimer was than people who knew where Ukraine was on a map 2 years ago.

Second is one of those people.

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Sunday, July 23, 2023 11:14 PM

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"Barbie" is not something that I would ever watch. But I might "Oppenheimer".

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Monday, July 24, 2023 8:33 AM

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Even less people know who Oppenheimer was than people who knew where Ukraine was on a map 2 years ago.

Second is one of those people.

How could you not know Oppenheimer and be a real American? It is like not knowing that Lincoln's Vice President, now President Andrew Johnson, pardoned all the Confederates for murdering hundreds of thousands of American citizens, which is why criminals like Trump think they can still get away with murder. (Trump: I could ‘shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters’) The US government spent a fortune on making a movie about Oppenheimer and how wonderful the A-bomb was:

The Battle Over the Bomb

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-real-history-behind-christo
pher-nolans-oppenheimer-180982529
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In the years immediately following the war, public opinion about the use of the atomic bomb hadn’t yet solidified. The first time Oppenheimer appeared on the big screen was in August 1946, when he starred in the 18-minute documentary “Atomic Power,” which was part of Time’s “The March of Time” series. Onscreen, Oppenheimer (one of several figures who participated in the film, including Einstein, Groves and Rabi) re-enacts waiting anxiously for the detonation at Trinity with Rabi, who gives a stilted performance as he reassures his boss, “It’s going to work all right, Robert. And I’m sure we’ll never be sorry for it.”

In fact, Oppenheimer was already sorry. In October 1945, he told President Harry S. Truman (played by Gary Oldman in Nolan’s film), “Mr. President, I feel I have blood on my hands.” The tide of public opinion was also beginning to turn. Three weeks after “Atomic Power” was released, John Hersey’s searing, book-length article “Hiroshima” appeared in the New Yorker, awakening many Americans for the first time to the horrors of the bomb.

Fearing they were losing the battle for the history books, Truman and other officials sprang into action, compelling former Secretary of War Henry Stimson to defend the use of the bomb in a Harper’s magazine article published in February 1947. The story, which reads as a simple recitation of the facts, portrays the decision to use the bomb as one made with sagacious care. It introduced the argument—repeated often since—that the bomb prevented an Allied land invasion of Japan that would have cost “over a million casualties, to American forces alone.”

“That article really set the history for most Americans for the next generation,” Bird says. “And the narrative was, ‘Oh, it was a difficult decision. It was terrible. But it was necessary, and it saved perhaps a million American lives.’”

The first major Hollywood film about the bomb, The Beginning or the End, debuted the month after Stimson’s article. Initially conceived by atomic scientists as a way to educate the public about the dangers of nuclear warfare, the movie went through script approvals and retakes ordered by Groves and Truman that turned it into a “pro-bomb celebration—dictated by the Pentagon and White House,” wrote Greg Mitchell in his 2020 book, The Beginning or the End: How Hollywood—and America—Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.

Directed by Norman Taurog, the film “is so instructive because it is the earliest, and one of the most complete, reassertions of the pro-bomb narrative just when doubts were being raised,” Mitchell tells Smithsonian magazine. “Even Truman got involved, to the extent of ordering a costly retake and getting the actor playing him fired. The studio voluntarily handed over control of the film to the Pentagon, via Groves, and the White House. Oppenheimer himself caved to pressure.”

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Monday, July 24, 2023 8:37 AM

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‘The Barbenheimer effect’: Barbie and Oppenheimer smash Australian box office records

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/24/barbie-oppenheimer-austra
lian-box-office-total-records-barbenheimer


Barbie Vs Oppenheimer: Barbie wins Barbenheimer battle but both films celebrate box office records

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/barbie-vs-oppenheimer-barbenheimer-box-offic
e-opening-weekend-095703396.html


Oppenheimer and Barbie give Vue cinemas best UK weekend since Covid

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/23/oppenheimer-and-barbie-gi
ve-vue-cinemas-best-uk-weekend-since-covid

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Monday, July 24, 2023 9:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Even less people know who Oppenheimer was than people who knew where Ukraine was on a map 2 years ago.

Second is one of those people.

How could you not know Oppenheimer and be a real American?



Are you kidding me dude?





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Monday, July 24, 2023 11:05 AM

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A lot of people were not sure about these movies but both are a box office sucess and ticket numbers across the world are back to normal Pre Covid Levels.


'Barbie and Oppenheimer Are About Ideas Made Real'

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/barbie-and-oppenheimer-are-about-idea
s-made-real-barbenheimer
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Perhaps we will destroy ourselves with a man made device before some Space-Rock, Climate Pollution, Black Death Plague or Super Volcano does.

Quote:

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Are you kidding me dude?



Blame the System, the West now educates its kids that islamism is 'peace' and the importance of transexualled pro-nouns

While Chinese are taught either the concept of Hydro Dams, how to fix an engine or they teach practical biology, chemistry and math and astronomy and the science behind building your own computer


Here's something you might not know, there was a brief debate if Earth currently had a 'Second Moon'. It turns out Earth has a Big Moon but also lots of tiny satellites most man -made and one of them was a Natural Space Rock 'Captured' I believe it hung around at one of the Lagrange point a Trojan asteroid that will hang around for 4,000 years. It's a big-ish asteroid but much smaller in diameter than the one that killed the Dinosaurs.


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Monday, July 24, 2023 1:30 PM

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Are you kidding me dude?

Dude, I live in East Texas. There are so many white trash people here that are barely convincing as humans, let alone as Americans. Think of "The Planet of the Apes", but these East Texas apes are dressed in costumes and wear makeup to give them approximately the appearance of human beings. But underneath the clothes and cosmetics, they are still apes that have a hard time with the following moral calculus: “What are the conditions that you think it would be acceptable for the United States to deliberately burn 200,000 Japanese civilians alive?"

The film Oppenheimer forces us to ask hard questions about America’s nuclear arms program
Our nuclear reality is Oppenheimer’s “worst nightmare.”
https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/7/24/23800777/oppenheimer-christophe
r-nolan-atomic-bomb-true-story-los-alamos-manhattan-project


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Monday, July 24, 2023 2:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Are you kidding me dude?

Dude, I live in East Texas. There are so many white trash people here that are barely convincing as humans, let alone as Americans. Think of "The Planet of the Apes", but these East Texas apes are dressed in costumes and wear makeup to give them approximately the appearance of human beings. But underneath the clothes and cosmetics, they are still apes that have a hard time with the following moral calculus: “What are the conditions that you think it would be acceptable for the United States to deliberately burn 200,000 Japanese civilians alive?"



Yeah. And the video I showed you took place in New York.

Stupid is everywhere.

Now follow back your quote chain to where you asked what kind of person doesn't know who Oppenheimer is and how they could call themselves American and where I said that even less people knew who Oppenheimer was than knew where Ukraine was on a map 2 years ago and you'll find that nothing you're saying is changing that fact.


In the meantime, you're being nicer to human beings than Lovecraft was. He just called us meat sacks with jelly inside.



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Monday, July 24, 2023 3:24 PM

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I didn't thing 'Barbie' would make $70 mill this weekend, I will go eat crow now. As for the people at Disney, they're eating something else...ick.

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Monday, July 24, 2023 8:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Barbie scores 07/23

Rotten Tomatoes:
All Critics: 90%
Top Critics 91%
Verified Audience: 90%
All Audience: 74%

IMDB:
7.6/10

Metacritic:
Critics: 80/100
Users: 5.6/100

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How do you get the CURRENT audience score? I can only find the original tomatometer score, when only Wokeness was rating it.

Bruce had mentioned that he knew Barbie make $1.1M on Wednesday, but he didn't post it in the Box office figures. And then Thursday was $21.2M. I don't know what his rules are. dude.

Today, Monday, my largest local theater (had barbie at 7pm last Wed, alongside Mummies) has 21 showings of Barbie, 9 of Oppy, 7 DR, and 4 of SoF.
Tomorrow, Tuesday is listed for 28 of Barbie, 10 Oppy, 6 DR, and 5 SoF - most starting about 10 or 11 am.

So thisis the Greta Gerwig Divorce movie?
As mentioned in videos, it was a Coup for the PR Dept to hide how bad the film was, and just trick folks into going to it.
I had gotten the impression it was sort of a remake of Clueless, and Robbie was able to pull off the vapid and vacant hollow plastic head persona - does that qualify as acting?

But it sounds like the true feat is a Tour De Force from Ryan Gosling. Maybe if somebody put together a short film or video, just clips of Ryan's Ken segments, it might actually be worth watching.

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Monday, July 24, 2023 11:05 PM

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I didn't thing 'Barbie' would make $70 mill this weekend, I will go eat crow now.



That makes two of us, brother.

Here's hoping for a 70% drop next weekend to restore my faith in humanity.

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As for the people at Disney, they're eating something else...ick.



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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 5:03 AM

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Oppenheimer received major box office boost because Barbie tickets sold out

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/oppenheime
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Originally posted by second:
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Are you kidding me dude?

Dude, I live in East Texas. There are so many white trash people here that are barely convincing as humans, let alone as Americans. Think of "The Planet of the Apes", but these East Texas apes are dressed in costumes and wear makeup to give them approximately the appearance of human beings. But underneath the clothes and cosmetics, they are still apes that have a hard time with the following moral calculus: “What are the conditions that you think it would be acceptable for the United States to deliberately burn 200,000 Japanese civilians alive?"



Yeah. And the video I showed you took place in New York.

Stupid is everywhere.

Now follow back your quote chain to where you asked what kind of person doesn't know who Oppenheimer is and how they could call themselves American and where I said that even less people knew who Oppenheimer was than knew where Ukraine was on a map 2 years ago and you'll find that nothing you're saying is changing that fact.

In the meantime, you're being nicer to human beings than Lovecraft was. He just called us meat sacks with jelly inside.

The movie may not make it clear that Oppenheimer, despite his reputation for brilliance, wasn't smart. The movie does make it clear that Einstein was smart and both worked at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. When the shocking news became public about Oppenheimer losing his security clearance, which is the main point of the movie, Einstein told a reporter that he thought that Oppenheimer should go to the government, tear up his clearance, tell them they were fools and resign. As usual, Einstein saw through the thicket of complexity to the heart of the matter. But such behavior would have been entirely out of character for Oppenheimer. After conferring with his lawyers, Oppenheimer decided to fight the charges. And that is why there is a movie called "Oppenheimer". He was doomed and wise Einstein knew it before foolish Oppenheimer did. If a movie about a guy who killed hundreds of thousands of women and children but slowly developed a conscience against murder in a way that ended up humiliating him during a trial for a security clearance, "Oppenheimer" is your kind of entertainment.

https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2023/07/oppenheimer-vii-scorpion
s-in-a-bottle.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 9:29 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
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Are you kidding me dude?

Dude, I live in East Texas. There are so many white trash people here that are barely convincing as humans, let alone as Americans. Think of "The Planet of the Apes", but these East Texas apes are dressed in costumes and wear makeup to give them approximately the appearance of human beings. But underneath the clothes and cosmetics, they are still apes that have a hard time with the following moral calculus: “What are the conditions that you think it would be acceptable for the United States to deliberately burn 200,000 Japanese civilians alive?"



Yeah. And the video I showed you took place in New York.

Stupid is everywhere.

Now follow back your quote chain to where you asked what kind of person doesn't know who Oppenheimer is and how they could call themselves American and where I said that even less people knew who Oppenheimer was than knew where Ukraine was on a map 2 years ago and you'll find that nothing you're saying is changing that fact.

In the meantime, you're being nicer to human beings than Lovecraft was. He just called us meat sacks with jelly inside.

The movie may not make it clear that Oppenheimer, despite his reputation for brilliance, wasn't smart. The movie does make it clear that Einstein was smart and both worked at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. When the shocking news became public about Oppenheimer losing his security clearance, which is the main point of the movie, Einstein told a reporter that he thought that Oppenheimer should go to the government, tear up his clearance, tell them they were fools and resign. As usual, Einstein saw through the thicket of complexity to the heart of the matter. But such behavior would have been entirely out of character for Oppenheimer. After conferring with his lawyers, Oppenheimer decided to fight the charges. And that is why there is a movie called "Oppenheimer". He was doomed and wise Einstein knew it before foolish Oppenheimer did. If a movie about a guy who killed hundreds of thousands of women and children but slowly developed a conscience against murder in a way that ended up humiliating him during a trial for a security clearance, "Oppenheimer" is your kind of entertainment.

https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2023/07/oppenheimer-vii-scorpion
s-in-a-bottle.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



You just don't like the movie because you mistakenly think that I'm rooting for it and you're always looking for an argument.

I'm indifferent to the idea of Oppenheimer the movie.

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WARNING: It looks as though Second put the ending spoilers to Oppenheimer in his post this morning because he's a douchebag.

It's been out like two days dude.

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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 8:35 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I didn't thing 'Barbie' would make $70 mill this weekend, I will go eat crow now.



That makes two of us, brother.

Here's hoping for a 70% drop next weekend to restore my faith in humanity.

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As for the people at Disney, they're eating something else...ick.



Ah yes... The silver lining.

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Barbie made $1.1 M on Last Wed, with promotions.
$21.2 M on Thursday, not sure how many showings/times.
$48.2 M on Friday.
$47.8 M on Saturday - the whole day.
$43.7 M on Sunday.
$26.1 M on Monday.
This is a movie that really seems front-loaded.

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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 9:44 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
WARNING: It looks as though Second put the ending spoilers to Oppenheimer in his post this morning because he's a douchebag.

It's been out like two days dude.

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Rumor has it that in the fictional film Titanic, the ship sinks.




Do I have to school you on how fucking dumb the American public is too, dude?

And forgive me for not believing that a $185,000,000 movie made by Christopher Nolan is historically accurate and not super loaded with artistic liberty and embellishments regardless.

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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 9:47 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I didn't thing 'Barbie' would make $70 mill this weekend, I will go eat crow now.



That makes two of us, brother.

Here's hoping for a 70% drop next weekend to restore my faith in humanity.

Quote:

As for the people at Disney, they're eating something else...ick.



Ah yes... The silver lining.

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Barbie made $1.1 M on Last Wed, with promotions.
$21.2 M on Thursday, not sure how many showings/times.
$48.2 M on Friday.
$47.8 M on Saturday - the whole day.
$43.7 M on Sunday.
$26.1 M on Monday.
This is a movie that really seems front-loaded.



Well... I'm hoping that it is.

But that $26.1 Million on a non-holiday Monday give me pause.

Here's a list of movies released in 2023 that had a higher Monday Box Office (Holiday or not) than Barbie just did:



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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 9:51 PM

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I'm also going to go out on a limb and guess that Avatar: The Way of Water is the only movie released in 2022 that had a higher Monday than Barbie just did when it made $32,270,430 on December 26th on its 2nd Monday in theaters (which is twice the $16,257,078 it made on its first Monday when half the country was an icicle.)

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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 10:09 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


as for chemistry and physics

Not just Little Boy but another device, Scot Manley


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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 10:14 PM

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I'm also going to go out on a limb and guess that Avatar: The Way of Water is the only movie released in 2022 that had a higher Monday than Barbie just did when it made $32,270,430 on December 26th on its 2nd Monday in theaters (which is twice the $16,257,078 it made on its first Monday when half the country was an icicle.)

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I stand corrected. There were two movies in 2022 that made more than Barbie just did on a Monday. Both Avatar: The Way of Water and Top Gun: Maverick.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/bes
t-performance-by-day-of-the-week/monday


Without adjusting for inflation, Barbie is the 13th highest grossing Monday at the Domestic Box Office of all time.


And let's take a look at the others above it...

1. Black Panther (February 19th, 2018): It wasn't the black holiday Juneteenth back then, but it was still a federal holiday and all the black women they have put in every position in the post offices all over the country were able to go see it.

2. Star Wars Ep. VII: The Force Awakens (December 21st, 2015): Another Monday, but right in the middle of Winter Break for kids, which I'm sure had at least some impact on the nubmers.

3. Spider-Man: No Way Home (December 20th, 2021): Yet another Monday during the middle of Winter Break for the kids.

4. Avengers: Endgame (April 29th, 2019): No holiday to speak of, unless we're counting "International Dance Day", but it was freakin' Endgame. The pre-plandemic movie they compare all other movies to today.

5. Top Gun: Maverick (May 30th, 2022): Memorial Day. 'Nuff Said.

6. Avatar: The Way of Water (December 26th, 2022): The day after Christmas and the highest grossing movie of 2022.

7. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (December 26th, 2016): The day after Christmas and what many claim is the only good thing to happen to Star Wars since Disney took over.

8. Star Wars Ep. VII: The Force Awakens (December 28th, 2016): This movie still sucks a week later, but people were still high off of the idea of a new Star Wars movie and it was still the tail end of Winter Break.

9. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (December 23, 2019): Star Wars had been beaten into the ground by Disney at this point, but it's still a new Star Wars movie and it was the Monday before Christmas.

10. Spider-Man 2 (July 5th, 2004): Arguably the best Spider-Man movie ever made, the day after Independence Day and a Monday that everyone who gets federal holidays off got off.

11. Star Wars Ep. VIII: The Last Jedi (December 25th, 2017): The movie that arguably killed Disney Star Wars, but again... Star Wars and on Christmas day to boot.

12. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (May 26th, 2008): People wouldn't have complained so much about this one if they knew what was coming 15 years later. Yeah... it was trash, but people were still excited about Indy back then and this was Memorial day.




What was Monday, July 24th, 2023? Nothing. Barbie made 13th place on the all time Monday list with several movies that dated back to the mid-2000's on a non-holiday Monday and is the only movie on the list that isn't a Marvel Property, a Lucasfilm Property and/or a sequel. It is also the only movie in the top 13 on that list to have not fallen directly on a holiday, a federally observed holiday, or Christmas break besides Avengers: End Game which didn't ever need to fall on a holiday to get in the top 5 on that list.



I very much hope this movie was front loaded, but with the data available right now, saying that it is front-loaded is speaking from emotions instead of math.

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Wednesday, July 26, 2023 7:41 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Was Hollywood smart to pit Barbie and Oppenheimer against each other? The box office says so

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/barbie-vs-oppenheimer-box-office/

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Wednesday, July 26, 2023 10:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Barbie made $1.1 M on Last Wed, with promotions.
$21.2 M on Thursday, not sure how many showings/times.
$48.2 M on Friday.
$47.8 M on Saturday - the whole day.
$43.7 M on Sunday.
$26.1 M on Monday.
This is a movie that really seems front-loaded.



Well... I'm hoping that it is.

But that $26.1 Million on a non-holiday Monday give me pause.

Here's a list of movies released in 2023 that had a higher Monday Box Office (Holiday or not) than Barbie just did:





And now it looks like it just made another $26 Million on Cheap Seat Tuesday.

If true, that will put it at number 11 on the Biggest Tuesday at the Domestic Box Office.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/bes
t-performance-by-day-of-the-week/tuesday


Once again, let's break down which movies are above it.

1. Spider-Man: Far From Home (Jul 2, 2019): Two days before Independence Day.
2. Star Wars Ep. VII: The Force Awakens (Dec 22, 2015): First Disney Star Wars Movie; Winter Break; Tuesday before Christmas.
3. The Amazing Spider-Man (Jul 3, 2012): One day before Independence Day.
4. Avengers: End Game (Apr 30, 2019): End Game.
5. Spider-Man: No Way Home (Dec 21, 2021): Tuesday before Christmas.
6. The Lion King (Jul 23, 2019): No holidays in vicinity. Billion Dollar Live Action Disney Remake Era.
7. Star Wars Ep. VII: The Force Awakens (Dec 29, 2015): Tail end of Winter Break.
8. Transformers (July 3, 2007): Day before Independence Day.
9. Star Wars Ep. VIII: The Last Jedi (Dec 26, 2017): Day after Christmas.
10. Incredibles 2 (Jun 19, 2018): President's Day/Federal Holiday. Not Juneteenth yet.

Once again, all of those movies were Marvel and/or Lucasfilm and/or sequels/reboots and/or fell on a holiday. Transformers is a joke these days, but the hype around that was was insane back in 2007.



Unless Barbie falls off a cliff, there could be a chance the movie makes it to the top of the 2023 Worldwide Box Office vs. Production Budget despite it's (modest for a blockbuster) $100 Million Production Budget. That's the same budget that Super Mario Bros had, and it's number 2 on the list with 1,355% right now. And although it's impossible for me to go back and get the actual worldwide number for SMB after 5 days of release, I can see that Barbie already has made $10 Million more than SMB did in the Domestic Box Office in that time.

But if you look at the way the numbers were tabulated for both movies, Day 5 on SMB is Sunday where it is Tuesday for Barbie with no "preview day" for SMB... So shenanigans?

If we match up Tuesday to Tuesday, SMB was ahead of Barbie by about $26 Million at this point.


In just 5 days Barbie has already made 408% of its Production Budget back worldwide.

I think this is all terrible news, but I'm not really sure about that front-loaded theory of yours, JSF.

I was hoping for a 70% drop off in the 2nd weekend, but we're 2 days into the week right now when most folk are working and we have yet to see a 70% drop off from the bloated Friday number that includes whatever it pulled in on Wednesday and Thursday of last week.

We're probably going to see figures in the very high $20 Million to middle $30 Million range all weekend.


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Wednesday, July 26, 2023 2:00 PM

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A story about a kids Doll, a fashion doll created by American businesswoman Ruth Handler, manufactured by American toy company Mattel, the 'Barbie' brand has expanded into a long-running multimedia franchise

One other story is about the real life guy who built the atom bomb, a man emblematic of a new type of technocratic power, almost went off on a tangent in mystic study of Sanskrit, nominated for the Nobel Prize for physics three times, in 1946, 1951 and 1967
Man's Right to Knowledge
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/27/news/1954nuclear-scientist-speaks-i
n-our-pages100-75-and-50-years-ago.html

Part of a group that would later be the World Academy of Art and Science, attended the first Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs in 1957. daughter Katherine "Toni" Oppenheimer Silber. Toni was refused security clearance for her chosen vocation as a United Nations translator after the FBI brought up the old charges against her father. In January 1977, three months after the end of her second marriage, she hanged herself in her family beach house. She left the property to "the people of St. John for a public park and recreation area"
https://web.archive.org/web/20180110054647/https://oldtowncrier.com/20
14/07/01/oppenheimers-legacy-on-st-john
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"Japan Was Already Defeated": The Case Against the Nuclear Bomb and for Basic Morality

By Timothy P. Carney

July 26, 2023

“I was against it on two counts,” Dwight Eisenhower, supreme allied commander, five-star general, and president of the United States, said of dropping nuclear bombs on two Japanese cities. “First, the Japanese were ready to surrender, and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Second, I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon.”

This certainly cuts against the common argument these days: that dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved lives, certainly the lives of American soldiers, and maybe even Japanese lives on net.

Since the movie Oppenheimer came out, I have had occasion to opine against the nuclear bombings based on straightforward moral principles. I have repeatedly been told that I am being too precious.

Many view the question of whether to kill the civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as an example of the “trolley problem.”

The trolley problem is a philosophical exercise meant to test the distinction between the moral weight of the actions we choose versus the consequences of inaction. Is it the better decision to take an action that kills one person versus taking an inaction that results in five deaths?

The implication is that nuking Nagasaki and Hiroshima is flipping a lever, rerouting the trolley, and causing the death of fewer people.

It’s a fine ethical exercise, but it’s inapplicable in real life for a million reasons because, in real life, things don’t run like an automated trolley on a track. We know where a trolley will go if we don’t flip a switch because there is a track there. We don’t know what Japan’s military and civilian population would have done had we not flipped the switch.

Defenders of the atomic bomb say that our only alternative to the deliberate slaughter of tens of thousands of noncombatants, including babies and elderly women, was a massive land invasion that would have cost millions of lives. They present this as if it was one of two sets of train tracks available.

People who were very involved at the time disagree. Again, Eisenhower said the Japanese were about to surrender.

Eisenhower told his biographer that he expressed to War Secretary Harry Stimson his “grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face.’”

Was Eisenhower right that the atomic bomb was “no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives”? I don’t know! Neither do you! There’s a lot of uncertainty here.

Adm. William Leahy, President Harry Truman’s chief military adviser, agreed with Eisenhower. “It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan,” Leahy wrote. “The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.”

Again, you can believe other people besides Leahy or Eisenhower. I can’t adjudicate the various claims. But I can conclude that there was lots of uncertainty about where this war was going. There certainly weren’t just two possible paths.

When we are deeply uncertain about the consequences of our actions, where do we turn? We turn to moral principles, including the principle that it is immoral to kill innocent women and children.

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/japan-was-already-defeated-the-case-against
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