Why is it that when white men ran companies things worked in the country... by 6IXSTRINGJACK

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Why is it that when white men ran companies things worked in the country...

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Friday, March 17, 2023 10:29 PM

... But you force diversity by putting unqualified women and BIPOC people in charge of things to fill quotas that everyone is going bankrupt?

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/16/americans-oppose-corporate-diversit
y-quotas-poll-crc/

Hmmmmmmm...

It won't matter in a generation anyhow. You've destroyed white boys in public schools and feminized the entire lot of them. They'll be even more useless than the diversity hires running the country into the ground currently by the time they're old enough to join the workforce.

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Friday, March 17, 2023 11:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It will take a couple of decades to flush the shit out of the system. And I don't mean diversity hires, I mean our narcissistic bent that requires everyone to live in their own precious, little, unreal universe where their feelings and fantasies reign supreme.

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Saturday, March 18, 2023 4:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

lol

Not a man...

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/mistranslated-i-split-my-time-as-pip
pa-and-philip-20171002

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6195853/Credit-Suisse-boss-dr
esses-woman-slammed-appearing-100-women-list.html

Get some help, people. And I'm not talking about him/her/beep/bop/boop. I'm talking about you morons who keep hiring insane people.

That's two of the 5 failed banks being run by wack-jobs. Wanna bet the other 3 were too?

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Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The Pentagon, which is mostly run by white men, is a joke. So is the CIA and FBI. The WH and Congress. I can point to dozens of organizations run by white men that are jokes, and they don't run worth a shit.

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Saturday, March 18, 2023 9:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I'm not talking about Government agencies with a printing press at their disposal and the bloat that comes with it.

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Sunday, March 19, 2023 3:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

OK, lets look at the bank, insurance, and mortgage leners that imploded - or came closeto imploding - in 2008.

What causes clusterfucks ISN"T "women" or "POC" or even LGBTQX+.

The problem is that people have drunk koolaid. There are many flavors of koolaid.
There is the "It doesn't matter how much money we print" flavor.
There is the "United States has the greatest military/ is the exceptional nation in the world" flavor.
There is the "we can have an economy of only consumers" flavor.
There is the "crypto is the best form of wealth preservation" flavor.
There is the "diversity is more important than competence" flavor.
There is the "propaganda/advertising/censorship is a substitute for rational decision-making" flavor.
There is the "everything is about slavery/racism" flavor
There is the "We can power a modern economy with solar and wind power" flavor.
There is the "We are citizens of the world" flavor.
There is "R2P" flavor"

And there is the "white men are better at everything" flavor.

There are LOTS of different flavors of koolaid. LOTS of fake wedge issues with which to drive people apart.

Some people can spot color revolutions whne it happens in other countries, they just don't see it when it's happening to them.

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Sunday, March 19, 2023 9:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I'm not talking insurance, which is just the original Ponzi Scheme. I'm also not talking banks or mortgage lenders either, yanno... because they get bailed out by the infinite printing press after they were incentivized to fuck everything up too.

Every place I've ever worked for since I was old enough doesn't exist anymore, save for one. They were all doing gangbusters when the men ran the place.

Maybe correlation isn't causation. I'm just making an observation.

Customer Service used to be a thing, until about the mid-to-late-aughts. Try getting any service anywhere now.

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Sunday, March 19, 2023 12:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So...ASIDE FROM government and financial institutions, schools, churches and...? And focusing only on ONE KIND of business... which business is that anyway, SIX? Software or retail? ... "companies" ran great when run by white men?

Microsoft, last I checked, was run by a white man.
Sears, which exists no more, was run into the ground by a white man.

In fact a lot of the companies that were sold out to the Chinese were run by white men.

Whatever your point is, it seems to be getting smaller and smaller with even iteration. Certainly not as expansive as the title. Maybe you're pulling a "SECOND" ... Drawing great sweeping biases from selective observation.

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Sunday, March 19, 2023 3:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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So...ASIDE FROM government and financial institutions, schools, churches and...?

Insurance (ponzi scams), anything else the Government bails out and/or funds.

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And focusing only on ONE KIND of business... which business is that anyway, SIX? Software or retail? ... "companies" ran great when run by white men?

Microsoft, last I checked, was run by a white man.
Sears, which exists no more, was run into the ground by a white man.

In fact a lot of the companies that were sold out to the Chinese were run by white men.

It all started when the Government FORCED diversity hiring by giving them money to hire women and minorities in positions of power and "Human Resources" departments grew unchecked. Didn't matter if they earned it or not. Most women are incapable of handling a position of power. Not all, but most. It's not in the genes.

If minority men are educated and/or have experience, they're capable of it... but those aren't the people that are getting the jobs. Everything falls to shit when you're just mindlessly filling quotas.

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Whatever your point is, it seems to be getting smaller and smaller with even iteration.

No. It's not.

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Certainly not as expansive as the title.

I said companies.

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Sunday, March 19, 2023 3:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, banks are comanies. Retail stores are companies. Software firms are companies. Industries (offshored to China) are companies.

AFAIK things started going downhill a long time ago. And it seems to me that white men were in power then.

I think financialism and hubris fucked things up.
EDITED TO ADD: But woke-ism is definitely off-the-charts stupid, and diversity hires are obvious fall guys (gals?) for so much that has gone wrong.

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Sunday, March 19, 2023 10:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Well, banks are comanies.

I don't actually agree with that.

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Retail stores are companies. Software firms are companies.

Yup and yup.

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Industries (offshored to China) are companies.

AFAIK things started going downhill a long time ago. And it seems to me that white men were in power then.

I don't disagree. A few seriously fucked up and greedy white men at the tip top fucked everyone over and then pulled the ladder up after them. I'm not talking about the heads of the world. I'm talking about how white men ran a tight ship, whether it was in a retail or an office setting, and how things just ran better when they were in charge.

And don't mistake this for me personally wanting something I can no longer have. I don't want to be a manager of anybody, or any thing for that matter. I've been offered project management positions before and turned them down. I don't work well with others. I'm perfectly fine with that and capable of admitting that to myself and to anybody else. My strengths lie elsewhere.

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I think financialism and hubris fucked things up.

I don't think it was hubris. The men who sold the world got what they were looking for. Then they fucked everybody's heads, destroyed the family unit, and now everybody has to work and nobody is home to watch the kids and every generation they're more fucked up because of it.

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EDITED TO ADD: But woke-ism is definitely off-the-charts stupid, and diversity hires are obvious fall guys (gals?) for so much that has gone wrong.

I don't think they were meant to be fall guys and gals. I think they were meant to unwittingly destroy the system from within. The vast majority of them are completely incompetent and unqualified for their positions. Just look at Biden*'s entire cabinet for a great example. (Yeah. I know that's government, but it's the easiest example to see since everybody is hurting because of them and it doesn't even require you to look into who's in positions of power at any of the corporations out there).

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Monday, March 20, 2023 12:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I guess I don't recall companies being run particularly well in my lifetime. Or government either, for that matter.

My dad, with a PhD in physics (Poland) and a master's in accounting (London) lost his first American job in ...

EDITED TO ADD as a shipping and receiving clerk in a foundry that made beaucoup bucks making train wheels for the war effort, but after the war ended the foundry slowly ran down. His next job was as accountant at another manufacturing plant, which also closed.

Looking for stability, his next job after that was with the state collecting business sales taxes. He got to audit large and small companies, including Bethlehem steel, the biggest employer at that end of the state. And he got to see their cost per ton of steel compared to the equivalent plant in Germany, which had continuous casting. I recall him telling us (I was just a kid, but I knew what he was saying was important) that Bethlehem steel was, in essence, a dead man walking. He said something like "I give it eight years".

There's nothing like a dying economy to make the Mafia assume special importance, so for quite a while the Mafia and the state university were the two biggest money-makers in the county.

As I grew up I found it impossible to find work of even the most menial kind. Dry cleaners? Pickle factory? Gas station attendant? No deal. The best I could do was babysitting, housecleaning and eventually telephone sales (yep I was one of those annoying people calling from a boiler room operation) and cashier (at minimum wage).

When I graduated, it was from a large university into what was, at best, a medium-sized city with a shrinking industrial base. I met my classmates going in and out of the same HR departments at the same few facilities that actually has a need for chemists.

And that doesn't include the Vietnam clusterfuck and all the government clusterfucks afterwards.

So from my POV, things weren't going so well even in the 60's and 70's, and it WAS being ~~run~~ mismanaged by white men.

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Monday, March 20, 2023 1:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Maybe there's some rose tinted glasses and nostalgia there. I dunno...

Stores and restaurants used to be clean. Employees used to be helpful. I just don't see it anymore.

I just ate out with my friend at a burger joint and the table was sticky and I had somebody's hair in my fries.

The only place around me that has anybody that is helpful is the local hardware store, and 50/50 it's only because I bring a list of things I'm going to buy with the SKU number off of the website before I go, so when there is something I can't find I can have them put it in their handheld computer and they can locate it for me.

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Monday, March 20, 2023 11:20 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Looking for stability, his next job after that was with the state collecting business sales taxes. He got to audit large and small companies, including Bethlehem steel, the biggest employer at that end of the state. And he got to see their cost per ton of steel compared to the equivalent plant in Germany, which had continuous casting. I recall him telling us (I was just a kid, but I knew what he was saying was important) that Bethlehem steel was, in essence, a dead man walking. He said something like "I give it eight years".

Bethlehem Steel killed its employees. If it was killing workers, it was also doing many less important things wrong, which is why it failed in business:

PUBLISHED: January 7, 1990 at 5:00 a.m.

Joyce Vogel knew only that her husband was hurt. She didn’t know how badly.

“They just called me and told me to come out to the hospital and not drive myself,” Vogel said.

Three men from Bethlehem Steel Corp. and a chaplain met her at the hospital that day — Oct. 9, 1987 — to bring her the news: Third degree burns had stripped away the flesh from 93 percent of her husband’s body, sparing only his feet and a small strip of skin where his belt had been.

Her husband, a big man who had played Santa for Little League parties each year, was dying.

Earl Vogel would become the 15th worker in a decade killed on the job at Bethlehem Steel’s local plant.

“The only thing not burned off him was his shoes,” Mrs. Vogel said. “I’m still bitter about the whole thing. He was covered with bandages and he couldn’t open his eyes.

“He’d worked there 40 years when he was killed,” she said. “I used to tell him, ‘Earl, you’re just a number to them and when you’re gone they won’t miss you.”‘

https://www.mcall.com/1990/01/07/steel-deaths-raise-questions-on-plant
-safety-safety-on-the-line-bethlehem-steel-in-the-80s/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 20, 2023 12:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Working with thousands of tons of molten metal is inherently dangerous. I toured Republic Steel, when it was still operating, and every step of the process... from loading the blast furnace to tapping it for molten pig iron to moving the ingots in and out of their (hot) soaking furnaces to hot-rolling bars or sheets is inherently dangerous. Occasionally a bar or beam being rolled would hit a cobble and, being hot and still flexible, would fly off the mill like a bent spring and land somewhere. Hopefully not on anyone, but that did happen every so often.

Generally speaking tho, aside from the occasional horrific accident heat and pollution were the factors that affected workers the most.

Being a farmer or being a roofer probably has a higher accident rate.

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Tuesday, March 21, 2023 5:22 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Working with thousands of tons of molten metal is inherently dangerous. I toured Republic Steel, when it was still operating, and every step of the process... from loading the blast furnace to tapping it for molten pig iron to moving the ingots in and out of their (hot) soaking furnaces to hot-rolling bars or sheets is inherently dangerous. Occasionally a bar or beam being rolled would hit a cobble and, being hot and still flexible, would fly off the mill like a bent spring and land somewhere. Hopefully not on anyone, but that did happen every so often.

Generally speaking tho, aside from the occasional horrific accident heat and pollution were the factors that affected workers the most.

Being a farmer or being a roofer probably has a higher accident rate.

The stupidity of Boeing management killed two planeloads of passengers riding in the 737 MAX. In a slightly more laissez-faire world where there are no black boxes on airplanes to keep corporations honest about the cause of death, Boeing could have continued crashing 737 MAX planes indefinitely until it was forced out of business by multiple lawsuits. With foresight, governments around the world saved Boeing from its own mistakes by requiring Boeing to fix the problem rather than deny there was a problem. Boeing management instinctively blamed the pilots for the crashes rather than Boeing's incompetent engineering. That is why there was a second crash. There could have been many more if governments had not gotten involved to stop Boeing from flying and lying about who to blame.

Boeing 737 MAX groundings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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