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What you hear in this song is truly Not Auto Tune, not full Pitch Correction the real Auto Tuning I know worse. Its not really a true Auto-Tune in the song, there is voice layering, it is processed and there are Fx and Reverb, I think sometimes the voice are double and triple layered like the Beatles used to do in the old days the Tape Effect double and doubling again, putting tracks next to each other on the one line but the recording was limited and it took real skill to plan and know what you were doing with cutting tape and you could destroy some person's solo with scissors cuts, but at times the Beatles did wacky stuff George Martin tape recordings chopping the tape with scissors, throwing the pieces up into the air, and reassembling at random.The voice in the above song is at times artificial but this Song you posted it is not true Auto-Tune...real Auto Tune going mainstream maybe starts with 'Cher' sound, people did it before her but she went mainstream with it and it was so over the top. 'Believe' I think was the song Joss even mocked it, I didn't watch Buffy but I remember a Buffy episode she Shows Kathy How to Behave I think Kathy was a demon or something, manipulating and lures Buffy's friends and got addicted to the song and was jumping around like a crazy woman on stimulants.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, I had a hard time telling. I don't usually listen to music. Better try the vocals only.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Thanks for the vid, had a nice listen and David Draiman, the man is a legendary showman, savage work ethics and great stage performer. If I have a few free days Might have a beer or chill out with old friends the weekend, talk about Tunes or Metal Vocalists or something, he was a big fan of classic Rock and Metal, a time when people knew how to sing, learned their skill and might have even auditioned for an Opera role, I feel we are a low point at times but then you see new talent a you know maybe some day the best... is yet...to comeTony Bennett. Now how would you make Tony Bennet, Frank Sinatra tunes Heavy and Rockin' is it the change of note in scale or baseline or 'beat'?

Anyways as negative as this sounds, I credit Simon n Garfunkle for writing and performing the original

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I recognize Disturbed heavy rock metal group from Chicago I know them straight away even though I'm out of the scene most weeks and I have not listen to rock genre or Metal for a while I don't need to listen to the vid to know its great but I admit never really listened to them much, I know the guy leading is an incredible vocalist. I probably don't even need to listen to that track to know its pure music and pure talent
There might be some backing music in some of their shows but I doubt it is ever needed as its pure skills and crafted 'magic' and a group of talented guys who know their craft

still I would respect originals respect 'Simon and Garfunkel' more because of principle, creativity and originality gets huge marks in my books even if some other person comes along and sings it better I will always credit an original if I know it
Anyways Six I always thought you had a music ear even during your crazy years of drunk posting? AND with the name SixString whatever that chosen name means, I thought Banjo, Guitar, Electric Bass, Ukulele...

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Simon & Garfunkel's Greatest Hits was a treasured CD for me when I was in High School. They were amazing. An English teacher I had in Junior year turned me on to them when she went off the government curriculum for a week and taught us about writing lyrics. She also got me to like Gordon Lightfoot during that week.

Back in my early (see: fun) drinking days, I was the karaoke king. Kinda got hooked after singing that first song and having strangers buy me beer and wanting me to go up and do another one. I never learned music or knew anything about notes, but I was an excellent vocal mimic for a lot of different artists. I was playing a lot of guitar when I first went on this site, and I'd just seen Six String Samurai when I made my handle here. I started playing guitar way too late though and never got really good at it no matter how many hours I put into it. Then one day I started getting to the point where I couldn't play more than 5 minutes at a time without pain and I eventually stopped playing. I have recently picked it back up again though after visiting my brother on the east coast. He had the old guitar down in his basement that he bought when I was into it and got him into playing. He stopped playing too, but told me to pick it up and try it. At first I couldn't do anything, but all of the sudden it was like riding a bike and bits and pieces of songs were coming back to me. I probably hadn't touched a guitar in 10 years. He told me I should try it again. I've been messing around with it a little bit here and there. There's one song in particular that I've always wanted to play that I'm probably better at now than I ever was back then. Who knows if I'll maintain my interest though.

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anyways its not to late for you to learn to be an audio engineer
You have a creative math side but to deal with pop people you need patience and diplomacy which you do not seem to have of late.

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I think that could be fun. Music and Tech rank high on my list of favorite things. Yeah... My people skills could use some brushing up on though. I should probably keep my emails to 2 sentences or less if I'm ever in another position where I'd need to write them for my paycheck.

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but to clear up on the first video
I think they perhaps Auto-Tuned no more than 10 words in Somebody I used to Know Gotyev if they did 'Auto Tune' it is very well disguised within layer of male and female vocal and the Audio Engineer for 'Gotye' did a great job covering up any pitch correction or auto tune...but its easy to confuse Auto-Tune with other Musical Audio Engineer Fx.

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And you were right that they did. Just not for the reasons you thought they did it.

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As you said 'Cher' is the most extreme example of the ridiculous

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Yeah. I can't stand that in music. I didn't mind Believe when it came out just because it sounded so different at the time, but that gimmick ran pretty thin many, many years ago and it's kind of heartbreaking to see how often it's used today.

When it comes to Pop Music, of course you know that Sex sells, whether or not anybody still wants to admit that in current year. Video truly did kill the radio star.

With rare exception, they get to have the artists that have true talent or they get to have sexy bodies with beautiful faces. So Autotune and Pitch Shifting it is.



I'll look at your other posts when I get to them. Boy, you put a lot up here to go through.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, I had a hard time telling. I don't usually listen to music. Better try the vocals only.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I'll tell you a secret of sorts I don't really engineer any hit tracks and I'm not an expert on any instrument but sometimes kind of play most instruments abnd at times I might even be respected as a music or audio engineer, I listened but started late

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No kidding dude? Awesome.

And here I am talking like I'm some sort of know-it-all about this after watching 3 videos to a guy who knows what he's talking about.



So I suppose now I should ask you if you agree with his assessment of those two songs, rather than tell you what he said was fact.

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I think you are of the age to know Eddie Vedder, real Alt-rock vocals

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I love Eddie Vedder. He's one of my favorite artists of all time.

I didn't care for "Jeremy" when it first came out, which was the song that put Pearl Jam on the map, but the first time I heard both "Elderly Woman Behind a Counter" and "Yellow Ledbetter" and "Black" I was a superfan. Ledbetter remains one of, if not my favorite song to this day. And I still don't even have a clue what it was about outside of internet theories about it.

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There must be training in here

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Yeah. That's a jam for sure.

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Rocking and Grooving

'Prince' a genius of our times

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Ledbetter remains one of, if not my favorite song to this day. And I still don't even have a clue what it was about outside of internet theories about it.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:


And here I am talking like I'm some sort of know-it-all about this after watching 3 videos to a guy who knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

There's one song in particular that I've always wanted to play that I'm probably better at now than I ever was back then. Who knows if I'll maintain my interest though.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, my guess is autotuned. It sounds kinda synthetic.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Thanks for the vid
Very disappointing Disturbed's vocalist David Draiman used Auto-Tune in that Live performance, respect to the 'Wings of Pegasus' social video channel for pointing it out and showing the automatically pitched computer voice element. It's subtle enough as a 'trick' so you could easily miss it and as a vocalist he is much better than this and does not need to be auto tuned.
'Gotye' was difficult to hear if it was or not, lots of layers happening in the song, the social vid channel 'Wings of Pegasus' breaks it down very well.

SIX: Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
And here I am talking like I'm some sort of know-it-all about this after watching 3 videos to a guy who knows what he's talking about.

JAYNZE: The guy is a far better Audio Engineer than me, he's probably a far better Guitar player and also because I don't play much however I know a little maybe can jam out a song with others, if need be I can make beats or harmonic loops on a computer. Maybe I could find my way around a mix console an old analogue mixing desk easy or use a digital 'GarageBand' or some sort of MIDI editor or computer workstation stuff and I understand a lot of musical terms or the 'language' of music so when I listen to something maybe my ear is maybe a little better than others. Some other people might miss something I hear and I would not be coming from a place of total ignorance, unfortunately with music sometimes the more you learn the more you 'dislike' after learning to hear something out or wrong or off-key you sometimes have to let go and just 'chill'. I'm no expert at all but I am not in a position of 'inexperience' or ignorance but this guy will tech you a lot more about spotting Auto-Tuned vocals than I can.

Terrible to hear Disturbed' is using Auto-Tune on Live Performance, its difficult hear or to spot, much of the performance is NOT Auto-Tune and I admit maybe I could have missed it when it came in but once you start to know that 'Cher' pitch correction sound its difficult not to hear it.

SIX: Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There's one song in particular that I've always wanted to play that I'm probably better at now than I ever was back then. Who knows if I'll maintain my interest though.

JAYNZE: Never too late to play and lessons and information are online for free, its all out there on the internet
There something about age that maybe make you better at going at your own speed, while maybe a young kid, you put the effort in but maybe tries the kid starts on the wrong foot starting with a mistake with bad technique, trying too hard but without the 'wisdom'.
Way too much info out there for it not to be interesting

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, my guess is autotuned. It sounds kinda synthetic.

JAYNZE: It was very difficult to tell in the first video, I could hear it as processed by fx, reverb and layered but that does not mean 'Auto-Tune'
Some people can almost picture a 'Room' putting people inside a Tunnel or Church, they get so skilled with effects they don't even need to be 'musicians' but can be audio technicians working doing effects for a tv show

Two vids on 'Reverb' with Mykola MrHardGuitar and Stella WavesAudio

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When you hear a vocal on the radio it can be difficult to know what is happening because there is so much going on in the audio production.

You can put delay or reverb or some kind of canyon echo on the human voice and even layer these voices but that does not mean 'Auto-Tuned'

some might hear a processed sound a think Auto-Tune but 'Auto-Tune' itself has a unique sound, I call it the 'Cher' auto tune effect

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JAYNZE: It will get more difficult to know what they are doing to these sounds.
We are at the stage where AI is tricking humans, some think its being a real person emotional or has living feelings, it does amazing painted art prints. The Machine with A.I can do poetry and write books and do science papers and even do music.

It will become more and more difficult to tell artificial from the real but maybe there will be a personal choice to all this, a lot of 'Pop' already sounded too processed or artificial to me.
People might chose to go back to the real and organic sound.

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JAYNZE: 6ixString probably knows a lot of these sound mix terms if he was messing around with a Guitar when he was young

'Wings of Pegasus' social video channel that SixString shares is worth watching, it does a great analysis and breakdown.
How he describes a note getting artificially Snapped onto the Tone Line is a great way of expressing what the Auto-Tune machine is doing by word painting.
It does jump out in moments 'flash of neon light' you can both hear and see the difference between Auto-Tune and Natural Voice
I honestly don't know if I would have caught it, also StringSix had pointed it out beforehand, asking which one is Auto-Tuned or not, I think I would maybe have missed it in casual listen as it is well disguised by instrumentation and also using his real voice without Auto-Tune.

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