Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:No. Especially not you. You have, as I recall, NEVER provided "evidence". Your sole topic here seems to be that I'm Russian.
The point you conveniently miss SIG is that those of us who post in these threads always provided you evidence.
Right, and I have proven that point by providing evidence. And that evidence is always in the form of your own posts comrade troll. Your own words show where your loyalties lie. Your own words shine a light on your Russian based agenda.
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Quote:Didn't someone just say that you guys ALWAYS produce evidence? Or course, that person is unreliable!
SIGNYM lies or acts stupid: You insist on evidence because it's impossible to produce in a forum.
Quote:Pictures including aerial photos, videos, statements, pictures of after-the fact objects such as bodies, spent shell casings, burnt-out vehicles, etc. From a wide variety of sources, which indicate that anything of the sort might have happened. Not articles which have lines like "Poroshenko said ..." or "Kyiv accused..." which have no substance behind them. All is open for dissection and discussion. I throw a lot of evidence into the "interesting if true" bucket, which is quite large. Sometimes evidence only makes sense after a few months to a year, when more evidence comes out.
I guessed you wouldn't answer this question and I was right - care to try again?
Second time: "What pray tell would satisfy you in terms of "evidence" (this should be good). Avoidance, your name is SIGNYM.- GSTRING
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Actual bomb fragments?- GSTRING
What good does THAT do? Countries like Ukraine and Belarus are awash with Soviet-made equipment; their armories are full of it. -SIGNY
Videos?- GSTRING
You have videos of the event? I doubt it.- SIGNY
Testimony from Russian soldiers? Quotes from Russian officers?- GSTRING
I doubt that you have this too. - SIGNY
We did that with Russia Invades Ukraine and you denied everything - so why would I do that again?- GSTRING
Quite honestly, there was only one video that was brought forth that I thought was worth anything. I said so at the time, and it had nothing to do with Debaltseve.- SIGNY
Third time: Okay, you won't accept videos, bomb fragments, quotes from Russia troops or officers as evidence. So what would YOU accept as Evidence?- GSTRING
Okay, third time: I will accept videos etc ... and even pictures of pieces of equipment provided that they are provably Russian ... for discussion. What I said, in THIS thread, is that I DOUBT YOU HAVE IT. And so far, you haven't some up with anything.
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I don't think you have ANYTHING to support your conjecture.- SIGNY
Wrong of course. I already posted it.- GSTRING
Where? I've scrolled up this page, I looked again at all of your posts. (You spent a lot of time badgering me for an answer that I already provided.) I also did a page search for " www"; in case you provided a link. I can't find it. Where is this evidence of which you speak?
Quote:You are using your unproved assertion to "prove" your assertion. It's a logical fallacy.
Hey, you got one right! It's Unacceptable = because they know it's a death trap, just like Aleppo!-GSTRING
If you could quote yourself about the "evidence" that you provided it would be great. That way I can look at it.
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So, speaking of being a compulsive liar ...where did you originally post that, again??? Anywhere in THIS thread?
I don't think so.
AFA what your article says ... There is NOTHING in there about a humanitarian corridor from Debaltseve. Nothing. So thanks for being a compulsive liar, again.
What it DOES refer to is this ...
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The failure to anticipate and respond to the separatist's textbook encirclement at Debaltseve has drawn instant comparisons to August's battle of Ilovaisk, which followed a direct Russian military intervention and forced Mr Poroshenko to sue for the peace deal that produced the first Minsk ceasefire agreement in September.
That defeat lives in infamy amongst Ukrainian soldiers, media, and the general public as an example of betrayal by their own generals, who failed to order a retreat or organise a counter attack, and the Russian-backed forces who ambushed a column retreating through an agreed "safe corridor," killing hundreds.
So, let's talk about Ilovaisk. There was a Ukrainian investigation as to who was at fault for Ilovaisk, and what exactly happened. As far as I know, everyone involved ran like cockroaches and the investigation never reached a conclusion. There is an on-the-spot video by a Ukrainian journalist who was embedded in the Kiev forces, who takes videos of a destroyed Russian tank, and of the ambushed retreat. Also of his "interrogation" by the DPR. I can't imagine how any armed forces ... or even militarized police ... would let that video go. Did they not see and take his recording equipment?
But aside from that video, I do think that something happened there. Supposedly there was an agreement to let the troops go with their weapons, but was changed at the last minute to require that the weapons be left behind, which the Kiev troops refused (according to a Kiev commander).
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At the next call, Khomchak told Vlasenko that Russians demand the withdrawal without hardware. Vlasenko as [and?] other commanders refused to implement the demand and were ready to go through if needed.
http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/08/30/two-years-after-the-ilovaisk-tra
gedy-guilty-not-found/
If they attempted to leave with their weapons under a white flag maybe they thought they could bluff/fight their way out. If they left without their weapons under a white flag, then it was a sheer massacre, a terrible atrocity. Although there were probably Russian troops in the area, it's still not clear how much Russia was involved in that event. So it's hard to say whether ISIL and al Qaida can, or should, draw any "lessons" from Ilovaisk. Same for the remaining citizens of east Aleppo.
From what I gather FROM AL QAIDA IN EAST ALEPPO ITSELF, according to its own pronouncements, Ilovaisk isn't figuring into their tactics. They refused UN aid, and they refuse to come out - not because they think they might be shot by the Russians, but because they won't be welcome by the rest of the Aleppans.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Just to keep you honest 'g' - which is more than a full time job! - your link was not on this page. In fact, it was on p11 of this thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278&p=11
Now, Signy said the www search was for this page. "Where? I've scrolled up, and also did a page search for " www"; in case you provided a link. I can't find it."
So either you don't know English, or you lied for the sake of trolling. Which is it, 'g'?
But I'm guessing it's the trolling. After all, you're so morally bankrupt you kept arguing with me (of all people) about HAKEN'S decision to move your thread to troll country, because you couldn't understand how a thread - titled and topic-ed for the sole purpose of attacking two posters - could be considered trolling.
Was Haken able to straighten you out? Or are you still the amoral pervert you outed yourself as being?
I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.
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If they attempted to leave with their weapons under a white flag maybe they thought they could bluff/fight their way out. If they left without their weapons under a white flag, then it was a sheer massacre, a terrible atrocity. Although there were probably Russian troops in the area, it's still not clear how much Russia was involved in that event. So it's hard to say whether ISIL and al Qaida can, or should, draw any "lessons" from Ilovaisk. Same for the remaining citizens of east Aleppo.
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From what I gather FROM AL QAIDA IN EAST ALEPPO ITSELF, according to its own pronouncements, Ilovaisk isn't figuring into their tactics. They refused UN aid, and they refuse to come out - not because they think they might be shot by the Russians, but because they won't be welcome by the rest of the Aleppans.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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I read what they said, and posted it here. I even gave you links, so you have no excuses. But as usual, you prefer to live in your own tiny world ... yanno, the imaginary one given to you by your masters.
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It looks as if the second attempted terrorist* assault on the encirclement of Aleppo has failed. (Second assault in the past 3 weeks)
It's interesting to note that the assaults come from OUTSIDE Aleppo, as the terrorists IN Aleppo have run out of munitions. That explains why they can only shell the humanitarian corridors with mortars using makeshift loads.
The 1070 Project is still under contention. It has shifted back and forth over the past month or so, but Russian bombing ceasefire inside Aleppo still holds. Please feel free to check out all on-the-ground websites for further information:
www.southfront.org
www.syriadirect,org
http://syria.liveuamap.com
* That means the combined forces of al Qaida and FSA or ISIL.
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Oh BTW, GSTRING knows how much he lied when he claimed (by "loaded question") that there was a "butcher of Debaltseve".
He also lied, over and over, when he diverted the discussion to demanding that I answer his poinltess question about a fictitious character that he himself made up.
And AGAIN, when he claimed that I was demanding "evidence" as a "dodge" ... when he knew he had had no evidence at all (because what he demanded to know about never even happened).
He also lied when he claimed he posted that information in this thread.
Finally, after who knows how many hours that he might have spent looking for something ... anything ... to back up his claim, he lied YET AGAIN when he posted a quote which completely misrepresented what his link said.
Now, I know this is inside baseball to nearly all of you, this is really only meant for GSTRING, but:
I know how much you lied, and YOU know how much you lied. If you have to lie to make your point, maybe it's not a point worth making.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
From what I gather FROM AL QAIDA IN EAST ALEPPO ITSELF, according to its own pronouncements, Ilovaisk isn't figuring into their tactics. They refused UN aid, and they refuse to come out - not because they think they might be shot by the Russians, but because they won't be welcome by the rest of the Aleppans.
You called them up and asked?
You two are worthless and annoying as usual. It HAS TO BE for a post quota - there can't be any other reason.
SIG has ignored everything that is reported on about Putin and Assad and is just posting deflection after deflection. She and 1kiki are just cut and paste propaganda machines.
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Why are people still living in east Aleppo?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37779478
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Please feel free to check out all on-the-ground websites for further information:
www.southfront.org
LOL that the first 'on-the-ground' website you offer is one of your pro-Russia, 9/11-truther blogs (see, amongst others - https://southfront.org/opinion-the-911-truth-movement-15-years-later/ ).
Is there any truthful sense in which this blog does 'on the ground' reporting from Syria, or are you just making shit up to make your propaganda sound authentic and authoratative?
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Quote:Yes. When they do their SITREPS.
Is there any truthful sense in which this blog does 'on the ground' reporting from Syria, or are you just making shit up to make your propaganda sound authentic and authoratative?
Quote:No, you moron, I read their tweets and FB pages and the occasional official "release". And when somebody says something, and there is a black flag in the background, you can be pretty sure they are either ISIL or al Qaida. My god, that you need this explained to you ...
From what I gather FROM AL QAIDA IN EAST ALEPPO ITSELF, according to its own pronouncements, Ilovaisk isn't figuring into their tactics. They refused UN aid, and they refuse to come out - not because they think they might be shot by the Russians, but because they won't be welcome by the rest of the Aleppans.= SIGNY
You called them up and asked?- STOOPID
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After having had to lie many times over, (and GSTRING knows how many times he DID lie on this page!) it looks like he has slunk out of the thread. When the stink of his lies as drifted away from his conscience, he'll probably be back.
Now, about all of the claims about hospitals and so forth being bombed ... most of these claims are being made by demonstrably terrorist-sympathetic organizations such as the White Helmets. I know that KRAPO was in a froth about UN HOSPITALS and MSF HOSPITALS in east Aleppo being bombed, but ... HAHAHAHAHA. No such thing exists. Where is Bellingcat when you need him to geo-locate some of these photos and look for clues to see if they were staged? Nowhere to be found, I guess.
I don't have time to validate and cross-check all of those claims. (And they are just claims.) The problem is that "people" ... especially partisans ... make all kinds of claims, and not always true.
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Two out of three source agree ... the 1070 Project has been taken back by the SAA and allies, plus more territory.
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My gawd indeed - you're the one that always criticized me for citing Twitter or other "millennial" sources!= STOOPID
No, you brainless millenial nitwit living in your mom's basement ... You cite Twitter as The Truth. You conflate immediacy with honesty. I cite Twitter as What People Say About Themselves. There is a difference, but I doubt you can figure it out.
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Quote:You know what you wrote, and here you are, lying again. Don't make me quote you.
You have zero grip on reality. Get some meds, take them as prescribed, enjoy the jello.
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= GSTRING
I guess you just can't let go of Halloween. I know it's an important millenial holiday, but it's time to put away the costumes and leave the parties, son.
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Originally posted by SIGDUMB:
No, you moron, I read their tweets and FB pages and the occasional official "release". And when somebody says something, and there is a black flag in the background, you can be pretty sure they are either ISIL or al Qaida. My god, that you need this explained to you ...
My gawd indeed - you're the one that always criticized me for citing Twitter or other "millennial" sources! So now their ok?? Are you ever honest? Do you ever make a single point or express an opinion that doesn't conflict with what you previously said?
No SIG doesn't. She is in a constant tug of war with herself because she is caught being in conflict with the facts time after time.
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No SIG doesn't. She is in a constant tug of war with herself because she is caught being in conflict with the facts time after time.
Not sure if I posted this yet, but jic... you nailed it with the constant conflict she's been under. The heart of it for me is: on the one hand she wants Trump to win so she has to promote Trump while simultaneously ignoring/denying/side stepping the most glaring lies and muck-ups from him which are indefensible (Birthers, Climate is China's fault, on and on and on). Even for her, so much lying has to take its toll. "How do I promote that loser?" That's why you see so much Hillary hate and fabrications, Emails! Occasionally she'll find some synergy between her bigotry and his: "Mexicans!!"and it will have a calming, "I'm doing the right thing" feel that must sustain her through the harder times.
This logic extends to 1kiki as well. Only she sidestepped much of the onslaught because she chose to focus on what's wrong with Hilary and avoided promoting or defending Trump. Still her approach shows she supports Trump as well.
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THUGR, SECOND: You two spend so much time stroking each other you should get a room.
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THUGR, SECOND: You two spend so much time stroking each other you should get a room.
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Nope, just engaging in your favorite pastime of personal attacks. 
At some point, maybe you will get back to the topic of the thread and stop jacking off all over the board. 'Cause, yanno, it's getting to be like a circle jerk around here.
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Sure SIG
Human Rights Group Evicted From Moscow Office
Human rights group Amnesty International was evicted from its office in Moscow on Wednesday morning by city authorities.
Staffers told Reuters they arrived at work to find the locks changed, alarm systems removed, the electricity system cut off, and official seals placed over the office entrances declaring employees could not enter the building without a city official.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/human-rights-group-evicted-off
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Quote:So? What's your point? What does this have to do with Syria?
Sure SIG
Human Rights Group Evicted From Moscow Office
Human rights group Amnesty International was evicted from its office in Moscow on Wednesday morning by city authorities.
Staffers told Reuters they arrived at work to find the locks changed, alarm systems removed, the electricity system cut off, and official seals placed over the office entrances declaring employees could not enter the building without a city official.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/human-rights-group-evicted-off
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Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:So? What's your point? What does this have to do with Syria?
Sure SIG
Human Rights Group Evicted From Moscow Office
Human rights group Amnesty International was evicted from its office in Moscow on Wednesday morning by city authorities.
Staffers told Reuters they arrived at work to find the locks changed, alarm systems removed, the electricity system cut off, and official seals placed over the office entrances declaring employees could not enter the building without a city official.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/human-rights-group-evicted-off
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Part of a pattern SIG. Russia loses spot on UN Human Rights Council
Russia on Friday lost its spot on the United Nations Human Rights Council, in a sign of international frustration with President Vladimir Putin's support of Syrian dictator Bashar Assad.
The world is closing in on Putin and he is lashing out.
French leader may snub Putin over Syria "war crimes"
PARIS -- France’s foreign minister called Monday on the International Criminal Court to investigate Russia for possible war crimes in Syria.
Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault told France-Inter radio that “France intends to get in touch with the prosecutor to find out how the probe can be launched.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-president-francois-hollande-vladimi
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Quote:Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia retains its spot on th UNHRC, a sign of its support for theocratic tyrannies and state-sponsored terrorism?
Part of a pattern SIG. Russia loses spot on UN Human Rights Council
Russia on Friday lost its spot on the United Nations Human Rights Council, in a sign of international frustration with President Vladimir Putin's support of Syrian dictator Bashar Assad.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia retains its spot on th UNHRC, a sign of its support for theocratic tyrannies and state-sponsored terrorism?
Part of a pattern SIG. Russia loses spot on UN Human Rights Council
Russia on Friday lost its spot on the United Nations Human Rights Council, in a sign of international frustration with President Vladimir Putin's support of Syrian dictator Bashar Assad.
Here's the difference between some of us here and you SIG. We won't defend states that shouldn't be on the human rights cancel. When it comes to Russia you won't admit they shouldn't be either.
With you it's fallacy of privation. Dismissing the point due to the existence of others who shouldn't be either. Very weak SIG, and not an honest perspective at all.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yes. When they do their SITREPS.
Is there any truthful sense in which this blog does 'on the ground' reporting from Syria, or are you just making shit up to make your propaganda sound authentic and authoratative?
Cite?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yes. When they do their SITREPS.
Is there any truthful sense in which this blog does 'on the ground' reporting from Syria, or are you just making shit up to make your propaganda sound authentic and authoratative?
Cite?
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Quote:Site: www.Southfront.org Just go to their videos.
Cite?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Site: www.Southfront.org Just go to their videos.
Cite?
I've been to the site already, that's how I found the slew of 9/11 truther bullshit.
Post a link to something that proves the website has "on the ground" reporters in Syria.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Site: www.Southfront.org Just go to their videos.
Cite?
I've been to the site already, that's how I found the slew of 9/11 truther bullshit.
Post a link to something that proves the website has "on the ground" reporters in Syria.
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KPO- The videos that they show of the various military conflicts.
THUGR juggling turds 
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KPO- The videos that they show of the various military conflicts.
THUGR juggling turds
Your response to KPO SIG is subjective and does not even come close to addressing KPO's request; but you know that.
Looks like I'm juggling Hershey Kisses to me
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KPO- The videos that they show of the various military conflicts.
THUGR juggling turds
Your response to KPO SIG is subjective and does not even come close to addressing KPO's request; but you know that.
Looks like I'm juggling Hershey Kisses to me
Yeah, you "went there" in this thread too.
If you think turds are Hershey's kisses, then yellow snow tastes like lemonade too. Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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You really need to post the link KPO is requesting from you that proves a lie you posted is true. We know you can't and will not allow you to hide by posting turd jokes. Play time is over.
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KPO- The videos that they show of the various military conflicts.
THUGR juggling turds
Just watched one. There was no evidence of on the ground reporting (nor did the video even claim it). Just infographics.
Why don't you post a link that proves your claim? Or, you know, admit that your claim was false and retract it?
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For example, here
https://southfront.org/footage-militant-vehicle-targeted-by-iranian-to
ophan-missile-west-of-damascus/
and linked to YouTube
e-in-isis-in-deir-ezzor/
Not all on-the-ground reports have video. There are quite a few pictures, not videos, embedded in many articles pointing out the various aspects of army or militant equipment and tactics. https://southfront.org/category/all-articles/warphotos/
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
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UN pleads for food deliveries to besieged East Aleppo where 250,000 face starvation risk.
Russia responds that it would be "counter-productive".
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/world/middleeast/aleppo-un-starvatio
n-risk-russia.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
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For example, here
https://southfront.org/footage-militant-vehicle-targeted-by-iranian-to
ophan-missile-west-of-damascus/
and linked to YouTube from here https://southfront.org/footage-syrian-army-troops-prepare-for-offensiv
e-in-isis-in-deir-ezzor/
Not all on-the-ground reports have video. There are quite a few pictures, not videos, embedded in many articles pointing out the various aspects of army or militant equipment and tactics. https://southfront.org/category/all-articles/warphotos/
Are you an idiot? RUPTLY is part of RT. SouthFront reposting RT videos is an example of their "on the ground" reporting??
You've been caught out talking bullshit, that SouthFront has "on-the-ground" reporting, and now you are just spewing more shit, God knows why.
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KRAPO- Oh look! Another terrorist-loving CIA-neocon George Soros globalist-droid! I see you have a couple of buddies here already, so why don't you take your new world order propaganda elsewhere?
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WHO SAID "ASSAD MUST GO"?
WHO IS LEFT?
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I missed how KPO loves terrorists - cites! Evidence! Links! More Hate!= GSTRING!
Just look at KPO's posts! He never criticizes the terrorists! He always protects them! He always criticizes their enemies! He posts al Qaida propaganda! Clearly, he is a terrorist-lover! Yanno, just like you!
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I trust Assad and Putin more than Israel and their puppet, the US.
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I trust Assad and Putin more than Israel and their puppet, the US.
What war crimes would it take to change your mind? Systematic rape, torture and liquidation of civilian activists? Indiscriminate bombing, gassing, starving of entire towns and cities? Targeting of hospitals, marketplaces, bakeries etc.? Overall, the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians?
What sources do you want to hear it all from? The United Nations? Amnesty or other human rights organisations? The Red Cross or other charities working on the ground in Syria?
Or are you like Siggy in that nothing anyone can say will make you stop cheer-leading for brutal mass-murdering dictators like Putin and Assad?
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KPO obviosly a Kunt for the other side....
Please, KPO, site one single other source that verifies those claims.
You're more than welcome to go there and "Jouralism" first hand
The sad thing is nobody believes Journalism anymore, so you better do REALLY GOOD.
Or are you like Siggy in that nothing anyone can say will make you stop cheer-leading for brutal mass-murdering dictators like Assad?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
BTW....
EVERY JEW IN MY FAMILY WOULD SUPPORT ME HERE AND CALL you THE NAZI....
SO TAKE YOUR "SPECIAL PRIVILGES" AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR WELL LAID ASSES.
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We both agree that The Talk is much more meanigful than the pamphlets...
"Are you asking me to put myself on a cross?"
Silly Muslim. Trix are for Kids!
If you dont. And ESPECIALLY if you DON'T condemn Hisbala, I will work with Jews to Hunt YOU down, Globally.
"Thank you for coming and showing what is here, and wearing that terrorist neckerchieif."
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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We both agree that The Talk is much more meanigful than the pamphlets...
"Are you asking me to put myself on a cross?"
"FOR, OR AGAINST IT!?"
"For it...."
Silly Muslim. Trix are for Kids!
If you dont. And ESPECIALLY if you DON'T condemn Hisbala, I will work with Jews to Hunt YOU down, Globally.
"Thank you for coming and showing what is here, and wearing that terrorist neckerchieif."
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It's not even 8PM CST, Cunts.
WTF are you?
NO respect for mindless and subservient Cunts, at least not now!
If CUNT isn't for you, watch 7 minutes of Deadwood saying Cocksuker if that is more aligned with your sensibilites.
Love me or Hate me, I will kill you for coming at me or even my neighborhood if I'm not passed out.
I had to buy new rat traps last night.
I thought it was raining last night when I woke up to "noise" in one of my basement walls.
I'm actually FULL of empathy, especially for animals, as some of you who know me for long know will agree.
What a Cocksucker.....
I hate doing it.
I actually have seen some MASSIVE Wolf Spiders in my basement that would not be "agreeable" at all if I were married....
I kind of like watching them hunt, TBH....
This last one I saw was scary as fuck. Over 2" big.
He stamped out in the middle of a room in my basement, and for that night, that was his hunting ground.
I figured, if He got that big and bold, how many lesser Cunts has he fed off of?
Understand that about me.
I let 2-3 Inch Wolf Spiders live side-to-side with me in my PAID house....
They don't bother me.
I'm not immune to "scary" bugs though....
Millipedes and Centepedes and "Ear Wigs" are horrifying to me.
I don't need the Orkin Man.
That 3 inch Wolf Spider takes care of all of them, including the Web-Making spiders.
I don't know the actual life expectancy of a Wolf Spider, and any rare time I saw a badass one it was likely a kid of a kid or whatever....
But until I finish my entire house and pay for a yearly Orkin Man, all I can say for sure is that as far as "Incects" go, The Wolf Spider is It....
And/Or, if there were ever an insect that someday became "Sentient" and demanded Fealty, the Wolf Spider would be it.
They are your live in maids for free.
But holy fuck they're about to die if your Wife wakes up and sees what they do "behind closed doors"
They are scary as fuck looking, especially when huge, but they have very little venom that coud hurt US, even though they never bother to make a WEB and camp out in the middle of a room and decend on their prey like Lone Wolves...
They're actually "Fearless" or they just don't give a fuck about anything. I know because I spent countless miutes-to-hours harassing them, without hitting them.
Unless you're going to "trap and release" a Wolf Spider, don't bother being kind if your final move was to squash it.
You could beat on the basement tiles .001" from Him or Her and they wont budge.
They rarely scope out a "Human Place".
The very rare times they do, at least in my experience, is because they are HUGE...
Sometimes I used to "play" with them, and alhthough i ne3ver paid anyonem I self-removed them, but these days I stay out of it...
Maybe I'm crazy?
I'm not a Cat Lady and I throw shit out...
The ABSOLUTE BEST of the crafty Kats would be lucky to have me.
Who kows?
I'm a Dog person, but I don't commit to it.
I have very much loved several cats in my past.
You didn't need the Orkin Man last week, but you do now.
You either smashed the fuck out of that Wof Spidler at HER behest, or you caught it and set it free.
Proove your a Man!!!!
Kill the Alpha Wolf Spiders and sit back and watch while She wonders why there are a half a million more bugs she needs to Pay to Kill that she didn't have to last week....
We Came, We Saw, He Died! HAHAHA
It's a trade-off....
We're not best friends, but at least he's not a Hillary Cunt
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I'm glad that you said something KPO...
Even if I had to actively reach over 7 pages of bullshit to talk to you.
I am not the "baromeer" of any side you should subscribe too.
That doesn't mean that I should be ignored, especialy since I called this election over 2 years ago and never wavered.
It's not racist.
3 year old kids Loved Trump and hated Hilary.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Fear in Aleppo as Assad and Russia launch most intense bombing yet:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38007980
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More "pro-terrorist media":
Medecins Sans Frontieres, international aid organisation on Assad and Putin's latest bombing campaign in east Aleppo:
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Syria: Multiple direct and indirect hits on hospitals in east Aleppo in the last 48 hours
The only specialised paediatric hospital in besieged east Aleppo has come under attack for the second time since airstrikes resumed on 15 November, destroying three floors and leaving it out of service. Three other hospitals have also taken direct hits, resulting in casualties among staff and patients and leaving two key surgical hospitals and the largest general hospital out of service.
“This is a dark day for east Aleppo. The severity of the bombing has inflicted huge damage on the few hospitals working around the clock to provide medical care,” says Teresa Sancristoval, Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) emergency coordinator. “The attacks have destroyed entire hospitals, electric generators, emergency rooms and wards, forcing them to stop all medical activities. It is not only MSF that condemns indiscriminate attacks on civilians or civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, but also humanitarian law. The message is simple and I don´t know how to say it any louder: stop bombing hospitals.”
“The children’s hospital has sustained damage for a second time from airstrikes,” says Luis Montial, MSF deputy head of mission for Syria. “This is the only hospital exclusively for children in the besieged area and it is now out of action. The consequences of indiscriminate bombing are very clear: more lives lost, medical services depleted and insurmountable suffering for people trapped by the siege. What is not clear is how much longer the health system, already on its knees, can carry on functioning unless the bombing stops and medical supplies are allowed in.”
East Aleppo’s hospitals have been hit by bombs in more than 30 separate attacks since the siege started in July. All of east Aleppo’s hospitals are supported by MSF, among other organisations.
http://www.msf.org/en/article/syria-multiple-direct-and-indirect-hits-
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Quote:I thought - according to other western sources - there were no more functioning hospitals in east Aleppo?
Multiple direct and indirect hits on hospitals in east Aleppo in the last 48 hours
The only specialised paediatric hospital in besieged east Aleppo has come under attack for the second time since airstrikes resumed on 15 November, destroying three floors and leaving it out of service. Three other hospitals have also taken direct hits, resulting in casualties among staff and patients and leaving two key surgical hospitals and the largest general hospital out of service.
How many times can one "destroy" a hospital? Quite a few, apparently. These must be "zombie" hospitals!
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I thought - according to other western sources - there were no more functioning hospitals in east Aleppo?
I've already explained this to you, and it's not rocket science. Assad and Putin bomb the hospitals, the people rebuild them to get them back into working order (what choice do they have?). Assad and Putin bomb them again.
The World Health Organisation (another terrorist mouthpiece) also describe the bombings:
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Some of the heaviest bombardment so far on Aleppo has left rebel-held parts of the Syrian city virtually without medical facilities, observers say.
The World Health Organization says all makeshift hospitals there are out of service, after five days of air and artillery strikes by government forces.
...
Medics have in the past been able to bring field hospitals back into operation after strikes, but the lack of supplies is now so severe that this is becoming harder, Reuters news agency reports.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38039282
Don't let these blatant war crimes stop your cheerleading for Assad and Putin though Siggy.
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And don't let me stop YOU from cheerleading for terrorists, KRAPO.
It's not Assad or the Russians who are keeping people inside of eastern Aleppo, KRAPO. It's the terrorists, whom I have quoted here, doing that all on their own. It's not Assad or Russia preventing aid from entering Aleppo, it's the terrorists ("neighborhood councils", "White Helmets", and the various factions of al Qaida/al Nusra and other Sunni extremists), whom I have quoted here, doing that all on their own.
Now, there is a city which is kettled by the terrorists, and they are in essence holding civilians hostage. When Israel bombs schools in Gaza to get at Hamas, you're all for it. Israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists. And the USA policy is that "we don't negotiate with terrorists" either. Should Assad?
So first of all, I take news from east Aleppo with a HUGE dose of salt. Given that the extremists are adamant about not allowing the remaining populace (which is probably 30,000, not 250,000) access to the internet, every piece of information coming our way is heavily filtered thru the extremists. False accusations, false flags, staged events made for video are part of the information war. It costs them NOTHING to accuse Assad and Russia of everything, and many of the accusations have turned out to be clearly false. Stop being so gullible.
In this particular case, the "news" that you reported IS WRONG IN THE MOST BASIC INFORMATION, and I will let you figure out what is wrong with it.
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Scrolling up, KRAPO, I see that you cite one of the most deeply flawed "reporting" networks, SNHR, as a source of "who killed whom".
SNHR is fundamentally a western intelligence mouthpiece, a 2-man operation with no ties to on-the-ground Syrians, and no better than the SOHR (a one-man band funded by George Soros with equal lack of on-the-ground Syrian contacts).
SNHR's casualty numbers are, in a word, "incredible". But don't take my word for it, here is someone who has looked at their methodology closely
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The Syrian Network for Human Rights (not to be confused with SOHR) is one of the most cited and prominient organizations documenting SCW casualties and human rights violations. Sadly, "cited and prominient" doesn't mean "credible".
SNHR has published their methodology on how they document deaths. This methodology is, in my opinion, deeply flawed and here I will explain why.
Methodology
Well, here is their methodology. It consists of three steps. At the first step, they gather reports from activists on the ground. At the second, their documentation team checks that reports are not repeated and match related news. If I understood them correctly, they try to get at least two reports for each death. The third step is just filing into database. There is a fourth step, but it's just a part of the third.
I'm sure you all see the main problem with this methodology: there is no verification. They get a report or two saying that "this civilian man died to a barrel bomb", and they file him as a civilian victim of government. Even if he was a victim of Ahrar vs YPG clash and died to grenade misfire while trying to blast some Kurds, for example.
Another obvious problem is an activist distribution. Some areas have higher reporting activity, some lower. As their activists are mainly in rebel-held areas (well, most likely. SNHR gives no info on activists distribution at all, a sin to the sacred art of statistics), the bias follows.
SNHR flat out refuses to accept any information from government or state media. While not entirely unjustified, this is still cherry picking as they have no reason to not file someone just because he was reported by SANA instead of their activists. If SANA presents name and photos just as their activists do (well, they present a reason not to, but it was just one mistake and one mistake is not a good reason to exclude the whole group of sources entirely).
Strange numbers
03.11 - 10.15:
"Civilians killed by regime: 180879, children killed by regime: 18851
SNHR explicitly states that women and children casualty rate indicates deliberate targeting civilians. But here we see that ~10% of civilians casualties are children. They don't state women rate, but going by their other reports, it's even lower. So it's 20% women and children at max.
[For a comparison to non-Syrian casualties ...] According to Iraq Body Count, women and children accounted for almost 20% of all civilian deaths in 2003-2005. This report doesn't say what was women and children casualty rate of US forces strikes, but it does say that "children were disproportionately affected by all explosive devices but most severely by air strikes and unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets)", so I assume that it was about the same. ... by using SNHR methodology, US forces "deliberately targeted civilians", which is, most likely, not true. Also, in pre-war Syria, women and children contributed to about 65% of population - just another fact to think about.
Death under torture by: ISIS - 22, Rebels - 15, Nusra - 12
Really? They are Daesh, al-Quaeda and a bunch of groups including JaI and AaS.
November 2015:
RuAF: 259 civilians, 7 gunmen
Coalition AF: 13 civilians, 0 gunmen
Kurdish Self Management Forces (YPG?): 17 civilians, 0 gunmen
SNHR isn't even trying, is it?
Presentation
SNHR often presents percentages of people killed by diff
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It's not Assad or the Russians who are keeping people inside of eastern Aleppo, KRAPO. It's the terrorists, whom I have quoted here, doing that all on their own.
Interesting that a small % of Al-Qaeda-linked militants fighting alongside the rebels makes the rebels "terrorists". Assad of course has thousands of Hezbollah terrorists fighting for him on his side (see the starvation siege of Madaya, amongst other war crimes), so I suppose Assad and Putin's forces are terrorists too? *COUGH* hypocrite *COUGH*
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So first of all, I take news from east Aleppo with a HUGE dose of salt.
Even when it comes from charities and aid organisations with a presence on the ground there? Yep I know. You prefer to listen to pro-Russia, anti-US, 9-11 truther bloggers writing from thousands of miles away.
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But don't take my word for it, here is someone who has looked at their methodology closely
A Russian reddit commenter? LOL. (Don't feel bad for posting the link, I would've googled and found it if you hadn't)
The SNHR is a partner organisation of the UN. Without bothering to read your Russian reddit commenter, I think I will trust the UN's judgement over his.
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the SOHR (a one-man band funded by George Soros with equal lack of on-the-ground Syrian contacts).
Here's a profile of the SOHR and the man behind it from back in 2013 - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/world/middleeast/the-man-behind-the-
casualty-figures-in-syria.html
It says that the organisation has more than 230 activists on the ground reporting back. Now we (or the adults in the room at least) could have a sensible discussion about how much credibility to give to activist groups like the SOHR, SNHR, RSS etc. documenting and reporting atrocities in active warzones, largely in the absence of any kind of international media. The Russian and Syrian governments, and their advocates such as yourself, think we should dismiss these organisations completely. But they are the ones committing all the war crimes so they would say that...
Anyway. You made specific claims about the SOHR, some of which are directly contradicted by what the NYT reports. Can you back up those claims via a reputable source (not one of your pro-Russia blogs)?
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Aaaaand ... you're quoting the NYT. The one that had to write a mea culpa for crappy reporting not two weeks ago.
You're both too stupid to be believed.
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Aaaaand ... you're quoting the NYT. The one that had to write a mea culpa for crappy reporting not two weeks ago.
You're both too stupid to be believed.
SIG, you are chastising others for using the New York Times as a source? That's precious coming from someone whos favorite source is zerohedge where they post anonymously.
Are you really so stupid as to believe, that those who follow these threads give you any credibility on the issue of sourcing? You, the queen of FAKE NEWS? ____________________________________________
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Save the Children, another terrorist mouthpiece according to Siggy, speaks out against the bombing of hospitals in east Aleppo:
http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/2016-11/syrian-hospitals-be-fortifie
d-last-children%E2%80%99s-facility-east-aleppo-bombed
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Sonia Khush, Syria Director for Save the Children said, “It was barely possible to imagine that the situation in Aleppo could become any worse, and yet the scenes we have seen over the weekend have been truly horrifying: Packed emergency rooms, children who appear to have inhaled chlorine gas struggling to breathe, confused and separated from their families, premature babies being rescued from damaged incubators and taken into smoke filled rooms as hospitals come under attack. Ambulances and mobile health units will do what they can to treat people when they are not being targeted themselves, but these only have room for a few patients and not nearly enough equipment to treat the range of injuries they are seeing.”
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Aaaaand ... you're quoting the NYT. The one that had to write a mea culpa for crappy reporting not two weeks ago.
You're both too stupid to be believed.
The story of Siggy's involvement in this thread:
1. Enter thread to defend Russia and Assad against accusations of war crimes by trashing all sources of information (including the UN and international charities and aid organisations)
2. Spread the Russian state propaganda narrative
3. Get challenged to back up this narrative with credible sources
4. Throw out personal insults and flee the thread
5. Repeat
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How MANY 'last hospitals' in E Aleppo are there, anyway? It seems like there's been at least a half-dozen 'last hospitals' since the first 'last hospital'. How did that happen so many times? Because, once the 'last hospital' was bombed months ago, doesn't that mean there were no more left?
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Dear Lord.
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Well, I'm sorry for you that you can't answer a relevant question about your own topic, and are reduced to making your post entirely personal. Because, to reiterate, there have been multiple 'last hospitals' destroyed in E Aleppo. And the stories are all geared, I'm sure, to stampeding people into setting their brains aside and acting on outrage. But if they're not true - and all but one, the REAL 'last hospital', MUST be fabricated propaganda - why should I believe THIS story in a crowd of lies just like it?
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Well, I'm sorry for you that you can't answer a relevant question about your own topic
Kiki I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you didn't see where I answered that question multiples times already in this thread.
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and are reduced to making your post entirely personal.
Lol, Kiki you are the queen of vitriol. You don't get to be this thin-skinned.
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Because, to reiterate, there have been multiple 'last hospitals' destroyed in E Aleppo.
What is so hard to understand about hospitals being bombed out of operation multiple times? Apparently neither you nor Signy can understand it.
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and all but one, the REAL 'last hospital', MUST be fabricated propaganda
The one complaint you can have about the media's reporting on this issue, and it's the only one, is the use of the word "destroyed" in headlines, which makes it sound, at first reading, like the destruction is total (e.g. here - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/aleppo-hospitals-knocked
-out-airstrikes )
Now this article makes it very clear that the destruction of the hospitals is NOT total, i.e. they are constantly being repaired and put back into limited service (see paragraph 5) - but someone who just scans the headline might not gather that much (apparently you and Signy fall into this bracket). "Bombed out of operation" would be better than "destroyed" but hey, headline writers will often go with punchy wording, erring on the sensational, over dry preciseness. Want to rail against Western media and call it "fabricated propaganda" on the basis of headline wording, even though the rest of the article explains the situation clearly and accurately? Fine, have at it. But everyone knows that you and Siggy are just doing everything you can to stay blind to the gross atrocities Putin and Assad are committing - killing innocent men, women and children in the most barbaric and despicable ways, right in front of the world's eyes.
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Some video footage of bombed Aleppo hospitals plus interviews with doctors:
Horrific account inside bombed Aleppo hospital -
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2016/11/21/aleppo-hospital-bombed-
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Surgeon says life in Aleppo 'like a holocaust' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38069849
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The one complaint you can have about the media's reporting on this issue, and it's the only one, is the use of the word "destroyed" in headlines, which makes it sound, at first reading, like the destruction is total (e.g. here - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/aleppo-hospitals-knocked
-out-airstrikes )
Now this article makes it very clear that the destruction of the hospitals is NOT total, i.e. they are constantly being repaired and put back into limited service (see paragraph 5) - but someone who just scans the headline might not gather that much (apparently you and Signy fall into this bracket).= KRAPO "Bombed out of operation" would be better than "destroyed" but hey, headline writers will often go with punchy wording, erring on the sensational, over dry preciseness. Want to rail against Western media and call it "fabricated propaganda" on the basis of headline wording, even though the rest of the article explains the situation clearly and accurately? Fine, have at it. But everyone knows that you and Siggy are just doing everything you can to stay blind to the gross atrocities Putin and Assad are committing - killing innocent men, women and children in the most barbaric and despicable ways, right in front of the world's eyes.
Well, then KRAPO, here's the problem: A large modern hospital can't be "destroyed" by one or two missiles or bombs. It would take multiple bombing runs .... the kind where the plane(s) turn around and strike again and again.
Yanno, kind of like the 1- hour bombing runs that the USA made over Syrian troops
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Washington claimed that this airstrike was a “mistake” and that it was somehow meant to target ISIS near the eastern city of Deir el-Zour in Syria. It was a sustained attack that lasted for 1 hour, featuring repeated bombing runs by US, UK, Australian and Danish aircraft.
or when the USA destroyed the MSF hospital in Kunduz over the course of ONE HOUR
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Médecins Sans Frontières reported that between 02:08 and 03:15 local time on the night of 3 October, the organization's Kunduz hospital was struck by "a series of aerial bombing raids". The humanitarian organization said the hospital was "hit several times" in the course of the attack, and that the building was "partially destroyed". It further said the hospital had been "repeatedly & precisely hit" and that the attack had continued for 30 minutes after MSF staff contacted U.S. and Afghan officials during the strike.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike
WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?
Because a single missile strike, or even two, indicates that the real target was elsewhere ... possibly even across the street. It indicates an off-target missile, more than anything.
And THAT indicates that the hospitals are not being DELIBERATELY targeted, and there goes your "war crimes" concept. And EVEN WHEN hospitals are deliberately targeted and destroyed, such as in Kunduz (which killed 42 people, BTW, not two or three) it has been argued by the USA that the targeting, although deliberate, was a mistake, and therefore not a war crime.
But you, KRAPO, continue to suck up and disgorge propaganda here, like the troll that you are. It is a COMMON form of propaganda to use inflammatory headlines, and to put biased information in the first few paragraphs of a story, and place countervailing information near the end, where almost nobody reads. You trying to say that it isn't propaganda is just plain lunacy.
As far as MSF claims about it's hospitals in east Aleppo, I looked through their past claims about Syria and UP UNTIL that story there was no indication at all that they ran or even supported ANY hospitals in east Aleppo. So I can only question the accuracy of that particular statement, and the bias of the organization that would claim retrospective affiliation.
BTW, some of your vi
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Aaaaand ... you're quoting Russian media. You're both too stupid to be believed.- KRAPO
The story of KRAPO;s involvement in this thread:
1. Enter thread to defend the West against accusations of war crimes by trashing all sources of information (including multiple foreign governments and on-the-ground reports)
2. Spread the Western state propaganda narrative
3. Get challenged to back up this narrative with credible sources
4. Throw out personal insults and flee the thread
5. Repeat
SIGNY
Fixed it for you. And it you want to see KRAPO'S propaganda taken apart, just look one thread up.
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GSTRING, thank you for your contribution to the pro-terrorist propaganda stream.
Quote:Who the hell is talking about "exact counts"? SNHR is not only wrong, they're off by a hundreds of thousands of deaths, and deliberately so. In fact, it's the same "mistake" that pollsters here made about the election, only far far worse: By not taking ANY information at all from the government and by not even TRYING to validate their data, SNHR is providing extremely one-sided data, in which ALL of the deaths are attributed to "the regime" and the terrorists get off scot-free. And you're just all too happy to suck it up and defend it.
I do agree that it is one of the world's greatest problems not being able to have exact counts for dead people in an active war zone ....
You calling your post a joke is showing profound disrespect for the hundreds of thousands of unacknowledged dead. It's like me calling a whole group of people n!ggers and expecting them to laugh. You're a big juicy asshole, something I've been noticing for a long time.
Quote:Except that these altright outlets showed HOW the MSM was wrong, especially in the "oversampling" aspect of the polls. Anyone who is at all interested in the truth - NOT YOU, APPARENTLY- would understand that consistently "oversampling" in one direction is BOUND to generate false numbers. And the pollsters knowing that they were oversampling" and making no attempt to correct their "mistake", and the MSM knowing that the pollsters were continuously introducing bias in their data and STILL presenting it as if it were truth .... It would take someone deliberately trying to manipulate the public .... not that our MSM is EVER trying to push a false narrative, heck no! .... to keep on doing that. And it would take an idiot, of which we seem to have several here on the board, to believe it. And it would take an asshole, of which we seem to have several here on the board, to defend it.
Sorry, Trump propaganda outlets saying he would win just don't count= GSTRING
AND THEN YOU DOUBLE DOWN ON STUPID AND ASSHOLE
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WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?[that one or two strikes on a hospital indicates that hospitals are no being deliberately targeted - SIGNY]
So, that's how they're killing so many civilians! Check!= GSTRING
ACCORDING TO WHOM? SNHR? Even THEIR numbers, as biased as they are, indicate that civilians are not being deliberately targeted. How can I say that? Because the number of women and children .... which BTW make up 65% of the population.... represent 20% or less of the deaths.
Yes, it is tragic that civilians die in war. It is especially tragic that the so-called FSA is holding these civilians against their will, as hostages (ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN STATEMENTS). Your buddies, the FSA, and the many-times-renamed al Qaida in Syria, and ISIL ... who are deliberately preventing aid from reaching civilians, and preventing civilian escape .... don't deserve your loyalty.
Why you propagandize on behalf of terrorists in beyond me.
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And now for some real news about Syria:
The fighting forces of the Syrian government and its allies are engaged in neighborhood-to-neighborhood on-the-ground fighting, and are advancing on a number of points encircling terrorist-controlled east Aleppo:
You can see the presence of ISIL in the index-finger salute and the occasional ISIL black flag in the background, which can be distinguished from the al Qaeda black flag in that the ISIL black flag has a simplified script and a large white circle with black script inside, while the al Qaeda black flag is very "fancy" script and no white circle:
ISIL FLAG
The many-times renamed and splintered al Qaeda in Syria is also present, under such names as the (Saudi-backed) Ahrar al-Sham and Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (formerly al Nusra, formerly al Qaeda in Syria), AL QAEDA FLAG ("There is no god but Allah")
and the nearly-defunct Free Syrian Army
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The US IBT considered the emergence of ISIL in 2014 as the beginning of the end for groups like FSA which the US had dubbed “moderate rebels”. The SMC, the formal FSA command structure, slowly disintegrated within Aleppo Governorate from a lack of sources over the course of 2014. ... Abu Yusaf, a high-level commander of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), said in August 2014 that many of the FSA members who had been trained by United States’ and Turkish and Arab military officers were now actually joining ISIL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army
which is tactically indistinguishable from al Qaeda and ISIL in Aleppo.
The Syrian Arab Army and its allies are slowly taking ground from al Qaeda and ISIL in house-to-house fighting. What was once in "rebel" hands ... Tell (Hill) Zuhur, Hanano neighborhood, the Military Academy and the Citadel, is now in government control. Because the fighting is in a densely-developed part of the city, it will be slow. Eastern Aleppo is taking a pounding, but it appears to be mostly artillery. I imagine that at some point, airstrikes and artillery will be ineffective because of the possibility of "friendly fire", and the fighting will devolve to tanks and small-arms fire. This stage can't come too soon, as airstrikes and artillery, no matter how well-targeted, are still inaccurate weapons. There are still four humanitarian corridors marked on the map for fleeing civilians, but people are being prevented from using them.
Congress passed the Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_Syria_Civilian_Protection_Act which is still(!) pushing for a no-fly zone.
Egypt is sending some of its pilots and Generals to support Assad: Now that the tide seems to have turned, it looks like various allied and potentially-allied governments are sending their troops in, mostly (I believe) for training and combat experience, not for real fighting.
Meanwhile the White Helmets (who call themselves the Syrian Civil Defense group, as opposed to the REAL Syrian Civil defense group) stepped into a pile of PR dogshit when it tweeted out the Mannequin Challenge video, which portrayed a very-realistic-looking "rescue" of a man supposedly trapped in rubble from a barrel-bomb. Too bad it was all fake. The "dust" on the man is flour. I have wondered why some of the "victims" in previous stills have had such white dust on them, maybe this is the reason.
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Syria's White Helmets apologize for Mannequin Challenge video
...The nearly one-minute long video has been the subject of criticism on social media. On Wednesday Syria Civil Defence released a statement calling it an "error of judgment".
"This video and the related posts were recorded by RFS media with Syria Civil Defence volunteers, who hop
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Again SIG makes the point everyone in Syria is a terrorist, even the children. There's no talking with someone void of empathy and full of shit.
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Again SIG makes the point everyone in Syria is a terrorist, even the children. There's no talking with someone void of empathy and full of shit. = DOUCHBAG
I believe I made the point that they were hostages. As I recall, I said it was tragic.
So OOC, why did you wind up supporting terrorists, THUGR?
I'll tell you why: It's because your moral compass is broken. You judge what is done or said by WHO is doing or saying something, not WHAT they're doing or saying. That primary motivation, which requires that you ALWAYS be the good guy ... or at least feel like you're the good guy ... biases everything you read, see, hear, think, and (especially) everything you feel. Anything that violates that directive of you feeling like "the good guy" must be stamped out, expunged as soon as possible, even if it means killing people in order to do it.
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East Aleppo pocket nearly cut in two, al Qaida groups strategically withdrawing from the northern pocket.
"Regime" atrocities in East Aleppo: dead chickens and mannequins
https://southfront.org/fresh-militant-propaganda-claims-civilian-casua
lties-from-russia-assad-airstrikes-shows-mannequins-video/
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The northern portion of east Aleppo is liberated! That latest (unconfirmed) reports say that the last remaining holdout neighborhood - Sheikh Khizir - is surrounded, and that the terrorists are withdrawing to the Old City, which is at the base of The Citadel.
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Local sources say that most of militants have fled to the Old Aleppo. So, the main work is to remove explosive devices and secure the area. Sheikh Khizir will be under the full control of government forces in the coming hours.
https://southfront.org/syrian-army-liberates-northern-part-of-aleppo-c
ity-delivers-devastating-blow-to-militants/
More importantly, the liberation of much of northern east Aleppo has allowed the civilian hostages to flee the fighting
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Last weekend, Syrian government forces delivered a devastating blow to the al-Nusra led militant coalition, known as Jaish al-Fatah, inside the Aleppo city. The Syrian army’s Republican Guard, the Syrian army’s Tiger Forces, the Desert Hawks Brigade, Liwa al-Quds and other pro-government groups liberated the neighborhoods of Hanano, Jabal Badro and Inzarat. They also took control of the Haidariyah Youth Housing, the Ba’ideen Roundabout and the Ba’ideen Square and Ard Hamra and seized a significant part of Al-Sakhur neighborhood.
Kurdish YPG units seized positions in Bustan Basha which had been under control of Sultan Murad militant group.
On November 28, government forces liberated Handariyah and al-Shakhur neighborhoods, encircling Sheikh Khizir.
Local sources say that militants are fleeing their defenses in northeastern Aleppo.
Government forces also attacked Nusra-linked militants in the Sheikh Lufti Neighborhood and in the Marjeh Neighborhood. The most notable gain of Syrian troops in the area is the so-called “Police Hill” (420 m) in the Marjeh Neighborhood. The Police Hill is a key hilltop in Marjeh. Controlling it, the army and its allies will be able to secure the Sheikh Lufti – Marjeh axis.
From Sheikh Lufti government forces are able to pose another threat to Jaish al-Fatah militants – to reach the Aleppo Citadel, splitting the eastern Aleppo pocket into several separated parts.
Mohamad Rafe’, military operations commander of Liwa al-Quds has been killed today during operations to liberate eastern Aleppo.
The government advance allowed thousands of civilians have fled militant-held areas of Aleppo city.
About 1,700 civilians had fled to government-held parts of western Aleppo and about 2,500 to the Kurdish-controlled area of Sheikh Maksoud since the start of the operation, according to the so-called “Syrian Observatory of Human Rights”, a pro-militant ‘non-government’ organization aimed to cover the Syrian conflict.
Syrian news sources broadcasted images of a crowd of civilians including women and children gathered around green buses that are set to pick them up in Masaken Hanano and entering western Aleppo. According to them [Syrian news sources] up to 10,000 civilians have fled from eastern Aleppo so far. Most of them took refuge in government-controlled areas.
https://southfront.org/syrian-army-liberates-northern-part-of-aleppo-c
ity-delivers-devastating-blow-to-militants/
I have heard quotes that the real civilian population on East Aleppo was something like 30,000, not the inflated figure of 250,000 that the UN and western press have kept citing. That 250,000 was the number of ORIGINAL inhabitants, but since the terrorists kept porous borders up until about 1.5 month ago, allowing residents to cross the boundary to find food and medical care, my guess is that many slipped away to "get food", never to return, and that the last inhabitants are the families of the fighters who were under stricter personal control. IF that's the case, roughly a quarter of the trapped civilian population has been freed. I guess I'll keep count of how many are estimated to have fled to other parts of Aleppo, and see if it totals up to about 30,000 as I've been led to expect.
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Well, yes you are. The REALITY is, GSTRING, that Syria is full of USA- and NATO-enabled Saudi and Qatari-funded terrorists from everywhere from Tunisia to Chechnya to Afghanistan. They are proxy fighters for the Gulf States' geopolitical goal of eliminating YET ANOTHER secular government and leaving jihadist-filled smoking ruins in their wake. And it's not like I'm speculating in thin air about this, it HAS happened before, more than once.
And just like you were taken in by the propaganda about Qaddafi, you're taken in by the propaganda about Assad. Those civilian deaths that you so firmly "believe" were ALL caused by Assad ... based on numbers pulled out of thin air by SNHR? All of those "brave rebels fighting for freedom" ... who have in reality folded themselves into the extremist forces? Those phantasms form the basis of your delusion.
You and THGUR are both paranoid, and you both have your paranoid delusions. THUGR for example, firmly believes that I'm a Russian, living in Russia. That I was oh so cleverly insinuated on this low-traffic board 13 year ago, to influence 10 people's thoughts about Russia - when Russia wasn't even in the crosshairs of western propaganda!
I think he imagines me with a playbook next to my PC, filled with American phrases that might actually sound like a well-educated but somewhat elderly lady, and my "history" book which reminds me of what I'm supposed to say about myself!
The reality is that I was born near Buffalo NY in the mid 1950s, am female, moved to the LA area in approx 1980, and work in a government regulatory lab with a very diverse international staff including Taiwanese, Syrians, Ethiopians, eastern Europeans etc. Over the years, and over many projects with many people, I've learned a lot about a lot, and I don't mind bringing it here and learning more.
Wow, so clever of those Russkies, to plant me here where I will do no good for the Motherland!
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Wow, I guess I hit about nine nerves!
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Another video that won't play on Signy's PC - The moment a children's hospital in east Aleppo gets bombed:
Nurses in tears as they have to pull premature babies out of incubators to take them to an underground shelter.
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Meanwhile, I see Signy's cheerleading for Assad and Putin's assault on the city is in full flow...
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Nurses in tears as they have to pull premature babies out of incubators to take them to an underground shelter.
Sorry, I should say terrorist nurses pulling terrorist premature babies out of incubators to save them from Assad and Putin's righteous bombing. Right Sig?
#PutinFangirlsForever
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Nurses in tears as they have to pull premature babies out of incubators to take them to an underground shelter.
Sorry, I should say terrorist nurses pulling terrorist premature babies out of incubators to save them from Assad and Putin's righteous bombing. Right Sig?
#PutinFangirlsForever
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Whatever helps "Row vs Wade" supporters who have overseen the deaths of over 60 MILLION babies since the 70's.
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yeah...
i got a cute shirt too.
Tell your kids.
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I had a some time this morning - I think we should start making money off Putin:
#PutinFangirlsForever
Lol, G, I'm saving that
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Another difficulty with the casualty figures coming from Aleppo - an inability to count the dead:
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The head of Aleppo's White Helmets branch watched last week as two women combed a body bag for signs of their loved ones. “Suddenly, the mother cried out and reached for a leg. She said he was her husband. She knew his jeans,” said Ammar al-Selma.
Then her companion recognized a watch. “All that was left of her son was his arm. We’re bringing in body parts at this stage.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/12/01/in-syrias
-aleppo-theres-no-way-of-counting-the-dead/?utm_term=.5a8965915b00
More quotes from the White Helmets (volunteer rescue organisation) in the same article:
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Crippled by shortages, even the White Helmets have to choose their rescue missions carefully — wasting too much gas to reach one blast site could rob them of the chance to save more lives at another.
When they do venture out, the rumble of warplanes can swiftly abort an operation. This weekend, Laith said he heard whimpers from the rubble as his team scrambled away.
“When you hear someone alive but reach them dead, that is the hardest part,” said Laith. Broken buildings across east Aleppo could still hide dozens of bodies, according to the local health directorate.
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300 dead!
GOOD LORD!
For a campaign of "targeted" civilian bombing, those Russians and Syrians sure are pikers!
They have a long way to go to match the 35,000 killed in the firebombing of Dresden, or the 90,000 killed in the bombing of Hiroshima.
CLEARLY they don't know how to "target" civilians. They better up their game!
And they're engaging in the crimes of demining neighborhoods, restoring water (pumping station previously under "rebel" control), and distributing aid. How dare they!
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Sig, see my post (right above yours) about why the casualty figures in Aleppo are drastically under-counted.
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And they're engaging in the crimes of demining neighborhoods, restoring water (pumping station previously under "rebel" control), and distributing aid. How dare they!
Is this the best you can do? De-mining neighbourhoods of cluster bombs that they dropped, repairing water and electricity facilities that they bombed, distributing aid that they withheld for weeks from a starving population?
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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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Sig, see my post (right above yours) about why the casualty figures in Aleppo are drastically under-counted. [KPO's comment says] ... Another difficulty with the casualty figures coming from Aleppo - an inability to count the dead= KPO
Not to worry! SNHR will be able to tell you. They'll just ask YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES, the White Helmet/ ISIL group!
I can bring back their White-Helmet tweets if you want. Yanno, the ones where they're caught speaking in front of a black flag, or making the raised-index-finger sign, or manhandling SAA prisoners with other terrorists and also shouting Allahu Akbar. Yeah, THOSE "White Helmets", YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES.
Yanno, one of the terrorist-tweets that I posted focused on a dead chicken and included a pickup truck of mannequins and I thought ..."Mannequins??" and then I realized that mannequins can be used to create those heart-rending vignettes of dead civilians. All the better because the mannequins don't object when you change their clothes and move them from place to place for different shots.
Quote:Is this the best YOU can do?
And they're engaging in the crimes of demining neighborhoods, restoring water (pumping station previously under "rebel" control), and distributing aid. How dare they!- SIGNY
Is this the best you can do? De-mining neighbourhoods of cluster bombs that they dropped, repairing water and electricity facilities that they bombed, distributing aid that they withheld for weeks from a starving population?
I know that you like to think that YOUR PRECIOUS TERRORISTS are as pure as driven snow, but they DO have a reputation for leaving behind IEDs and other booby traps. And as far as the aid is concerned, I guess you don't remember the statements FROM YOUR PRECIOUS TERRORIST BUDDIES that THEY didn't want aid coming in through Castello Road because it would have given the government a tactical advantage, so it was THEY who refused the aid. And also how YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES destroyed a rather large convoy of UN aid.
AFA the water pumping station is concerned, it's like the hospitals of east Allepo, YOUR PRECIOUS TERRORISTS announced it was "destroyed" ... over and over. I saw the latest pix of the pumping station ... it is not "destroyed", the building is fully intact. It was probably damaged by a stray/nearby missile strike, and YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES most likely decided that it was in their interests simply not to repair the pumping station to put pressure on the Syrian government. But that's what hostages are for no?? Cut off a finger, and then an ear ... deny food, deny water, close the perimeter...
I can bring up all that information again, if you've "forgotten".
Quote:Yep, that's you, KPO.
"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
In any case, Aleppo is almost fully liberated. The fight there is essentially over, although it may take another month to fully clear out the foreign fighters and domestic terrorists. Tens of thousand of people .... formerly held as hostages by KPO's precious terrorists ... are now free to move outside of their damaged neighborhoods and take advantage of housing and aid elsewhere.
Just a friendly reminder of the TERRORISTS WHO KPO IS SUPPORTING
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Opposition refuses aid delivery via Castello Road
Aug. 31, 2016
The United Nations is calling for a 48-hour ceasefire to allow food and medicine to enter the embattled city of Aleppo, but a row over which route the aid convoys are to use has brought the plan to a halt.
The UN wants to use Castello Road, the road north of Aleppo that after weeks of bombing the regime captured last month to complete its encirclement of east Aleppo.
“If Castello Road becomes an aid corridor, the regime will make it impossible for us, as the opposition, to take it back,” Muhammad Fadila, the head of the Provin
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They'll just ask YOUR TERRORIST BUDDIES, the White Helmet/ ISIL group!
Sig, you are a parody of yourself. A volunteer rescue organisation that has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts are "terrorists" - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/05/the-guardian-vie
w-on-the-nobel-peace-prize-give-it-to-syrias-white-helmets
I didn't read the rest of your post, just scanned down and saw that you continued to rant about "TERRORISTS!" like the propagandised fool that you are.
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Sig, you are a parody of yourself. A volunteer rescue organisation that has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts are "terrorists" - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/05/the-guardian-vie
w-on-the-nobel-peace-prize-give-it-to-syrias-white-helmets
Oooh! Nominated! For the The Nobel Prize!
Am I supposed to think that this means that the White Helmets for are peace?
Kissinger got the Noble Prize. (Also, he is a convicted war criminal)
Obama got the Noble Prize.
So what?
The White Helmets and their terrorist buddies ... and there's a lot more of this evidence around ...
You're on the terrorists' side, even if you don't know it.
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Oh look! Photoshopped arrows and captions! It must be true!
Never mind that the actual White Helmets look like this:
And not so much:
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and there's a lot more of this evidence around ...
Is any of it better than what you've just posted? If not, quit and stop embarrassing yourself.
"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
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As if the White Helmets can't do both?
Yes, there is plenty available, I already posted it.
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"As if the White Helmets can't do both?" That's what kpo wants people to think! In the pantheon of DISHONEST ARGUMENTS, kpo's is known as the 'false dilemma'.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Dead terrorist women and children after righteous Assad/Putin shelling of east Aleppo (45+ dead):
http://www.facebook.com/middleeasteye/videos/1198070256925027/
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syrian-government-accused-arresting-
civilians-fleeing-aleppo-fighting-722896749
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Dead terrorist women and children after righteous Assad/Putin Coalition shelling airstrikes near east Aleppo Mosul 
It is a sad fact that when fighting takes place in a city, civilians will be killed. Especially when the occupying forces (in this case, terrorists in both Aleppo and Mosul) insist on keeping civilians as hostages. Instead of blaming the liberating forces, you should be blaming the terrorists.
And BTW, you have not addressed the point that your buddy terrorists were the ones who blocked UN aid from reaching Aleppo.
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Quote:Yep! It's not as stupid as the White Helmet mannequin challenge, which shows them "rescuing" an "injured" young man who is covered with "dust" (flour) and "trapped in" (lightly sprinkled with) rubble.
"Here's a helmet and a vest - now stand over there next to the guys with the flag, say "cheese!"
The White Helmets actually had to apologize for that one!
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So, NEW talks are going on between Russia and the USA (who supports the Free Syrian Army "rebels").
Just to give you an idea of just how enmeshed the "FSA" is with al Qaida ... and how much the USA is aware of/ is supporting terrorist proxies in Aleppo ... the problem with the previous cease-fires is that the USA was supposed to provide information on where the "rebels" were, versus the terrorists and foreign fighters. In each case, the USA was unwilling OR UNABLE to provide separate coordinates for the various fighting forces in east Aleppo.
Now I'm sure that there were Syrians who started out fighting for "democracy". The problem is that they have been entirely swamped and intimidated by much-better armed Saudi-suported al Qaida radical extremists (or the Qatar-supported ISIL extremists) who wanted to turn Syria into either (1) a Wahhabist/ISIL theocracy or (2) a failed state. Either one would have been acceptable to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who simply wanted Syria destroyed as a functioning entity. To insist that there is at this point a functional indepedent homegrown "rebel" group is to maintain a delusion.
In any case, if the USA doesn't reach a compromise SOON, there will be no more terrorist-proxies in Aleppo to protect. The terrorist defense is collapsing pretty quickly. There is roughly only 2000 feet between the Syrian (govt) held Citadel, and the closest Syrian (govt) salient on the opposite side. Once that is closed, the terrorists will be split in two- again. Unless they lay down their arms, Russia will treat any remaining fighters as terrorists.
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Oh yes, the 'mannequin challenge!' Because nothing says 'humanitarian' goals like creating fake videos!
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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OH COOL! You used the big red font of shame on your own trolling! I didn't even have to do it for you!
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Nothing says Clueless like a Kiki post.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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