wes is the best by est120

EST120 - I'm right there with you. If you want, check out this Wesley video clip I made, you might enjoy it.

http://www.strangefinger.com/thehero.mpg (28 MB)

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Friday, October 8, 2004 3:06 PM

JEWEL

It's interesting. At first, I really didn't care for Wesley. He was funny, but to me he didn't have the charm that Doyle had (not to mention I love Irish accents). However, after seeing the Wesley develop over the seasons he definately ended up being one of my favorites.

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Friday, October 8, 2004 4:05 PM

EMBERS

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Originally posted by est120:
ROGUE demon hunter.

Cordelia: "so, what is a rogue demon?"

I really agree...Wesley was so unlikeable in Buffy's 3rd Season...
and then he appears as such a wonderful comic character in Angel's 1st Season...
and then developed into such a tragic hero...

Wes was a favorite of mine until I met Alexis
last summer in Oakland
and now I have to say that he is my VERY favorite

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Friday, October 8, 2004 4:29 PM

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Originally posted by Tomanta:
I love Wes. Out of all the characters, he had the most dramatic character development.

Something I never could understand, though, did Wes hunt rogue demons, or was he a demon hunter that went rogue?

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

i think he was more of the kind of "kung-fu" type of demon hunter. drift around, kill demons. more that HE is the rogue since he is a former watcher (who got fired) and now he is freelancing.

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Friday, October 8, 2004 4:36 PM

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Originally posted by Succatash:

EST120 - I'm right there with you. If you want, check out this Wesley video clip I made, you might enjoy it.

http://www.strangefinger.com/thehero.mpg (28 MB)

that is too funny. loved it.

if you have more video clips of wes' funnier moments, you should make a montage of "wes' greatest hits" or something like that. i would LOVE to see that. the scene in angel when they all revert to their youth's is hilarious.

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Friday, October 8, 2004 5:01 PM

SCARLETT

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Originally posted by jewel:
It's interesting. At first, I really didn't care for Wesley. He was funny, but to me he didn't have the charm that Doyle had (not to mention I love Irish accents). However, after seeing the Wesley develop over the seasons he definately ended up being one of my favorites.

Me too. I despised him in Buffy, and the first part on Angel (that was also a holdover from liking Doyle's character), but he grew on me until he became my favourite Angel character, and 2nd favourite in the Buffy-verse.
I was devestated at the end of the last episode of Angel. I watched it thinking "this is not happening! It's all just a horrible dream & I'll wake up & it'll all be fine again."

"Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass."

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Friday, October 8, 2004 9:08 PM

and that's funny, I LOVED Wes fro the first moment he appeared on Buffy. it was soooo cool how Buffy and Giles teamed up on him and he was so clueless and so rightous in it. Buffy asking if he was evil and if she could slay him and Faith mostly ignoring him and Giles showing him off on every opportunity and Wes just kept on trying, never giving up, making such an a** of himself in the process and I think it was more than obvious that he was a nice boy at heart trying to be a Watcher the way he was told to be and failing miserably.

and when he came back to AtS as the RDH he was just cool and it was the same all over again, Wes trying to be something he's not becaue he thinks it's what he should be.

and then he stays and with time he grows up and finds himself and we all find out he's just perfect the way he ist, if he just stops trying to be something else.

Idefix

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Friday, October 8, 2004 9:37 PM

BERENTAUR

I loved Wes, he was my favourite Angel character. I was devastated when he died, it upset me so much.

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 2:00 AM

BIKISDAD

Unfortunately, Joss must have known how we all felt about Wes. Before the finale aired Joss said that he wanted to "share his pain" over the cancellation of Ats. Well, he couldn't have found a better way to do that than killing our beloved Wesley.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 2:47 AM

COSMICFUGITIVE

Wes is a great character.
He was really funny on Buffy (moments like rescuing Cordelia from Vamp Willow in "Dopplegangland" or his first day as new Watcher.)
Although, he was excellent on Angel. (Wes was really creepy in "Billy" and who could forget the ordeal with baby Connor?)
He became a well rounded character. It was sad to see him die, but at least he went out fighting for the greater good..

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 9:26 AM

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Originally posted by est120:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tomanta:
I love Wes. Out of all the characters, he had the most dramatic character development.

Something I never could understand, though, did Wes hunt rogue demons, or was he a demon hunter that went rogue?

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

i think he was more of the kind of "kung-fu" type of demon hunter. drift around, kill demons. more that HE is the rogue since he is a former watcher (who got fired) and now he is freelancing.

Hehe, I think this discussion is somewhat missing the point of the 'rogue demon hunter' crack... ;)

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 8:33 PM

yeah the point was he wanted himself seen as the 'rogue' because he thought it was wild and sexy and whatever and all the people he met just kept asking him, what a 'rogue demon' was because it simply wouln't even cross their mind that he was the 'rogue' hunter.

poor Wes always underestimated and misunderstood.

Idefix

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Idefix:
...and all the people he met just kept asking him, what a 'rogue demon'...

Not to nitpick, but who else asked him that besides Cordelia? I need to watch that episode again, it's so great.

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:34 AM

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Originally posted by Idefix:
yeah the point was he wanted himself seen as the 'rogue' because he thought it was wild and sexy and whatever and all the people he met just kept asking him, what a 'rogue demon' was because it simply wouln't even cross their mind that he was the 'rogue' hunter.

poor Wes always underestimated and misunderstood.

Idefix

Almost. The point is he's not any kind of demon hunter (and certainly not a rogue one). As inferred by the episode (through Wes' various bunglings) he hasn't done a hell of a lot of demon hunting in between Sunnydale and LA ;)

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:10 AM

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Originally posted by Succatash:
Quote:
Originally posted by Idefix:
...and all the people he met just kept asking him, what a 'rogue demon'...
Not to nitpick, but who else asked him that besides Cordelia? I need to watch that episode again, it's so great.

the only other person i can think of is angel who commented:

wes: "i'm a rogue demon hunter"
angel: "you're a demon hunter?"
wes: "ROGUE, demon hunter, yes."

basically, angel could not even believe the demon hunter half of that, much less the rogue part! hahahahaha! i LOVE that scene. HI-larious! and then wes tries to look all cool by propping his foot on the bed and he slips off and nearly falls on his behind! classic.

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:44 AM

LOL. And from the ep. "Fredless"

"You know, back in my days as a Rogue Demon Hunter I once used that very spear to pin down what I thought was a small Rhodentius demon... of course the poodle's owners weren't very happy...."

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:36 AM

LISSA

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Originally posted by Succatash:

LOL. And from the ep. "Fredless"

"You know, back in my days as a Rogue Demon Hunter I once used that very spear to pin down what I thought was a small Rhodentius demon... of course the poodle's owners weren't very happy...."

i LOVE that line! and i love wes:)

~lissa, spwhore

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:56 AM

JEWEL

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

LOL. And from the ep. "Fredless"

"You know, back in my days as a Rogue Demon Hunter I once used that very spear to pin down what I thought was a small Rhodentius demon... of course the poodle's owners weren't very happy...."

LOL! Thanks for that memory - that line was priceless!

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Monday, October 11, 2004 4:04 AM

RHYMEPHILE

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Originally posted by Succatash:
EST120 - I'm right there with you. If you want, check out this Wesley video clip I made, you might enjoy it.

http://www.strangefinger.com/thehero.mpg (28 MB)

'Tash! Why haven't you advertised this more?? It was hysterical. Who would have thought "Chariots of Fire" would be perfectly suited to Wes??
BWAhahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!

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Monday, October 11, 2004 4:31 AM

JEWEL

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

EST120 - I'm right there with you. If you want, check out this Wesley video clip I made, you might enjoy it.

http://www.strangefinger.com/thehero.mpg (28 MB)

I can't believe I missed this my first time through this thread. I loved it! Way cool..

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Monday, October 11, 2004 6:37 AM

CAPTAINCDC

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Originally posted by Grounded:
Almost. The point is he's not any kind of demon hunter (and certainly not a rogue one). As inferred by the episode (through Wes' various bunglings) he hasn't done a hell of a lot of demon hunting in between Sunnydale and LA ;)

I agree with that for the most part. Although he did say in his first angel ep that he had tracked the demon, "a particularly nasty bugger". Did he not say that he nearly had him in arizona or something. So he had done a little demon hunting after the council sacked him, the only thing was that he was tracking the wrong demon.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Monday, October 11, 2004 1:08 PM

Yes, maybe, but he was posturing the entire episode so nothing he says can be taken as unembellished.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:01 AM

ahh, come on, he was a 'Demon Hunter' as in 'hunting demons' alright. doesn't mean he caught any, does it? we have to believe he tried to hunt them, even if he didn't have much success.

oh, I love incompetent early Wesley. so much potential buried under so much posturing.

Idefix

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:07 AM

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Originally posted by Idefix:
ahh, come on, he was a 'Demon Hunter' as in 'hunting demons' alright. doesn't mean he caught any, does it? we have to believe he tried to hunt them, even if he didn't have much success.

oh, I love incompetent early Wesley. so much potential buried under so much posturing.

Idefix

so if he had been successful even once, he should have changed his name to "rogue demon slayer"?

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:12 AM

he should have, it's more accurate and he's nothing if not meticulous (sp?).

and since he told everyone he was a 'demon hunter' we can assume that he never caught one.

and now I need to take my S1 DVDs and watch it again...

Idefix

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:28 AM

A deer hunter is someone who hunts and shoots deer.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:58 AM

BIKISDAD

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Originally posted by Succatash:

A deer hunter is someone who hunts and shoots deer.

Not necessarily. I used to go fishing a lot and not catch any fish. I still considered myself a fisherman at the time - maybe not a good one, but a fisherman just the same.

I think the theory that Wes called himself a demon hunter, but one who had never caught a demon, is a good one. Let's face it, if incompetent, pre-Angel Wesley had caught a demon, it probably would have killed him before he ever had a chance to show up on Angel. So the idea that he had hunted, but never caught one makes a lot of sense.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:07 AM

RHYMEPHILE

I don't think we're giving Wes enough credit. True, he was on the green side when he first showed up on Buffy and then Angel, but he was head boy at the Watcher's Academy, he had an overbearing father who presumedly wanted his son to excel in everything (and it seems Wes tried to fulfill that), and he did show up on Angel with weapons and the practical knowledge for demon-hunting.

I think it's perfectly realistic to assume Wes had been tracking, hunting, and killing demons (perhaps not the most dangerous kinds, though) in the time he spent between Buffy and Angel.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by bikisdad:
Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

A deer hunter is someone who hunts and shoots deer.

Not necessarily. I used to go fishing a lot and not catch any fish. I still considered myself a fisherman at the time...

That's exactly my point. Whether or not you catch a fish, you are a fisherman. Whether or not you shoot a buck, you are a hunter. Hunters don't change their names to Slayers after they shoot a deer.

It's incorrect to assume 'Hunter' means he hasn't killed anything yet.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:56 AM

BIKISDAD

Ah, I misread your post. I assumed that you meant that to be a hunter it was necessary to have BOTH hunted AND killed a deer, demon, or whatever. So we're really in agreement.

It's possible to be a demon hunter, but never to have killed one. Also, it's possible to have killed one without ever having been a hunter (say you accidentally ran over one with your car or something).

So Wesley saying he was a rogue demon hunter really doesn't tell us anything at all about his success rate, does it? However, he never actually mentions killing any, either (does he? I don't remember for sure)- just tracking them.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:33 PM

and he probably would have (told everyone) if he killed any.

and changing his title to 'slayer' and the reverse deduction was a joke hence the smilies.

but maybe he would have changed his title too if he'd actually killed a demon (that was worth killing). I hope the poodle lived to tell the tale (to other dogs, so they are warned).

let's just agree that our Wes is the best the posturing stumbling demon hunter with the chafing leather pants as well as the kickass version of later seasons.

and the video I almost forgot to mention was beyond great - soooooo funny. thanks a lot for that gem.

Idefix

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:18 AM

"It's possible to be a demon hunter, but never to have killed one. Also, it's possible to have killed one without ever having been a hunter (say you accidentally ran over one with your car or something)."

How did a thread entitled 'wes is the best!' ever get this far? ;)

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:30 AM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
How did a thread entitled 'wes is the best!' ever get this far? ;)

because EVERYONE loves him! that is why!

actually, i think this is the longest anything i have ever posted about angel has gone on. i honestly never expect much of a response to posts i make about angel reruns.

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:08 AM

Lol, no I'm talking about the ridiculously pointless dissection of the phrase 'rogue demon hunter' ;)

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:39 AM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
Lol, no I'm talking about the ridiculously pointless dissection of the phrase 'rogue demon hunter' ;)

ahhh! i see! so a discussion on how much we all enjoy wes is not the issue.

in fact, perhaps it seems perfectly natural for a thread about how much we like him to last this long!

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Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:42 AM

DIETCOKE

Let me just say, I thought he was just delightful from bumbling clown to tragic hero.

I remember the sexual tension between Cordy and Wes in Buffy. It built through numerous episodes. Finally....the kiss......"Well, best of luck on your trip back home...."

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Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:03 AM

CYBERSNARK

I just liked Giles' line about Wesley having "the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone."

So quotable. . .

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Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:34 AM

HAWAIIANSGIRL

I think wes is sooo hot I love to kiss him long and hard

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Wednesday, March 9, 2005 1:09 AM

THEMANTHEYCALLJAYNE

The cool thing about Wes is that he was just a guy. He wasn't very strong, but he could still kick some ass (like when he barrels into Holtz's lair). He was very smart, but not overbearing. And he always did what he felt was right. In all the times he could have turned his back on fighting the good fight and no one would have blamed him, he kept doing it. He never compromised his position. As Angel said, he makes the hard decisions, even if he has to make them alone.

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Wednesday, March 9, 2005 4:07 AM

DIETCOKE

Wes was truely the most transformational character in the shows. I loved the sexual tension between Cordy and Wes and then when they finally kissed it was....."well best of luck, have a good trip...." Too funny.

Yes, it broke my heart when he died...

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Wednesday, March 9, 2005 6:48 AM

STILLSHINY

Love it when Wes is interrogating the drugguie about Angelus' whereabouts in the bar with Faith, and he leaves Faith speechless. Darker Wes is the Best.

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Wednesday, March 9, 2005 7:11 AM

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Originally posted by Stillshiny:
Love it when Wes is interrogating the drugguie about Angels' whereabouts in the bar with Faith, and he leaves Faith speechless. Darker Wes is the Best.

in many ways. i liked him as the bumbling fool, but that is kind of cliche. the tough wes was great when he did things like stab gunn (what did you do? what i had to) or pulling out the pistols to fight the beast and then the shotgun (LOVE THAT SCENE!) or grabbing the axe to cut off fred's head once she turned into illyria. i could go on and on!

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Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:20 AM

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Originally posted by est120:
pulling out the pistols to fight the beast and then the shotgun (LOVE THAT SCENE)

I hated that scene. One, it made no sense and two, it totally trampled all over everything they'd done in the past by one of the 'good guys' gratuitously using guns.

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Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:11 AM

EMBERS

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Originally posted by Grounded:

I hated that scene. One, it made no sense and two, it totally trampled all over everything they'd done in the past by one of the 'good guys' gratuitously using guns.

I disagree...it is true that Angel never used guns
(and of course Buffy couldn't shoot at all)
but this wasn't Wesley's first time with a gun,
or his last...
Because Wes didn't have super powers he always tried 'whatever works'

and personally I like seeing Wes as the Harrison Ford/Indiana Jones type character on Ats

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Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:39 AM