Angel newbie with a dumb (maybe not) question: by chrisisall

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Angel newbie with a dumb (maybe not) question:

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 05:48
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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:14 AM

Lets put it this way, a bad Joss episode is still better than 90% of what's on television. I say go for it.

Kaylee: Wash, tell me I'm pretty
Wash: Were I unwed I would take you in a manly fashion
Kaylee: 'Cause I'm pretty?
Wash: 'Cause you're pretty

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:26 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeAth:
Kaylee and Inara, Natalie Portman, Salma Hayek, Drew Berrymore, Monica Bellucci, Zhang Ziyi, Catherine Zeta-Jones

NOW we're speakin' the same language!

Whoah Chrisisall

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:32 AM

GROUNDED

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Make that you'd be hard-pressed to find a guy who doesn't find, say, Kate Beckinsale attractive.

And with bloody good reason.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:59 AM

CAPTAINCDC

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Chrisisall:

Didn't I tell you episode 8 was awesome? I don't actually buy the writer's reason for having Angel's wanting to turn back time. But I can roll with it. I don't buy his reason for destroying the gem of Amara either. But again, I can roll with it.

Still, a very moving episode and Sarah was great.

The reasons made pretty good sense to me. But, to each his or her own.

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The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason!

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:07 PM

CALHOUN

Quote:
Emma wrote:
Monday, August 22, 2005 21:28

People have said she is unattractive with a bad personality, obviously they are wrong

Faith is enough to make straight women gay - oh, her beauty and wit and sex-appeal *sigh*

Each to their own I guess..

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:08 PM

BATMARLOWE

Jacqui:

I just watched that scene a few times with the sound run through my Bose Acoustic Wave Machine and its volume cranked to 80--sometimes with my ear up to it, sometimes not. Sometimes with the subtitles on, sometimes not.

It sounds to me like he says "Sh, Sh, please... and then says "please" a few more times. I really don't believe there's a "Sarah" in there.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:55 AM

CHRISISALL

Yeah, his lips seemed to make the 'sh' shape twice..
Hero was gut-wrenching at the end!!! Holy

was that rough!!!

Lucky I'm a tough-guy, I might have balled....

*choke*Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:05 AM

JACQUI

Like I said, urban myth. It was hotly debated at the time.

Quote:
Hero was gut-wrenching at the end!!! Holy was that rough!!!

*This* is why you don't get spoiled. Wasn't it brilliant?

Keep letting us know your reactions, k?

Poor, poor self absorbed Cordy. I used to love that woman.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:14 AM

BATMARLOWE

Whattaya think of Doyle now, Mr. Smarty Pants?

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:08 AM

CHRISISALL

Well...he doesn't bug me anymore....

That was great. He turned out to be amazing. I don't know if I can watch it again...

No tissues left Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:11 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:
Poor, poor self absorbed Cordy. I used to love that woman.

Parting Gifts did sorta show that side of her, huh?

Is there any other side Chrisisall

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Friday, September 9, 2005 3:48 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I finished with season 4 of Angel just a couple of nights ago. All I can say is that if season 5 gets better...I CAN'T WAIT!

Chrisisall, don't you dare skip season 4!

Angel is fast becoming one of my favorite shows ever, probably will end up in at least the top five all time.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:25 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Angel is fast becoming one of my favorite shows ever, probably will end up in at least the top five all time.

Even the 'baby' episodes of S3?
I finished S1 and frankly, it was good, but not 'Buffy' good.

Chrisisall

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Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:34 AM

MIKEYMO

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I finished S1 and frankly, it was good, but not 'Buffy' good.

Well, you've seen the best (2&3) of Buffy, and only the first season of Angel. You gotta give the poor guy a chance.

"He who sacks Vince Young shall spend that Saturday night in paradise with 73 virgins" -- Mohammad

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Saturday, September 10, 2005 4:07 AM

JACQUI

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Angel is fast becoming one of my favorite shows ever, probably will end up in at least the top five all time.
Even the 'baby' episodes of S3?
I finished S1 and frankly, it was good, but not 'Buffy' good.

Chrisisall

It gets better as everyone finds their place a little more.

You have to start a new thread for S2... we'll help you through it!

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

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Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:59 AM

WORKEROFEVIL

Chrisisall,
I don't think it's all that surprising that Buffy's feel changed as the show went on. It was in large part about growing up and moving into the adult world, so as Buffy gained more adult responsibilities the show's feel had to change. Angel was about redemption for past mistakes. Anegl, Cordy, Doyle, Wes, Gunn, Faith, Spike, and Harmony all had things in their past to atone for. (Fred and Lorne not so much but still) So, the feel of the show would stay pretty consistent. Or that's my view anyway.

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Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:19 PM

HOWARD

The first half of SEASON 4 is brilliant
The second half got into the wrong story
line in the fourth quarter.

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Sunday, December 4, 2005 12:10 AM

AMNESIAC

The history of the writing of Season 4 without spoilers, is thus:

Charisma Carpenter (Chordy) got pregnant. Congradulations all around of course!
But, the storyline of Angel Season 4 had to change at the last minute to accommodate said pregnancy. She was originally set to be the Big Bad that season! Joss said so. So some convoluted and very bizarre plot points were created to get her the time she needed bring to the world her little bundle of joy.

So all of the things that make it a 'bad' season can be pinned on the nescessary last minute changes to the arch of the story.

Apart from that however, I think Season 4 of Angel was truly epic. It was huge. It was like an eighteen hour movie with very few stand alone episodes, and a huge arch. I liked it. It wasn't Angel Season 2, which totally freaked me out, but in that 'Oh my god I can't beleive they did that to my characters that I love, and it makes so much sense, and what great acting, but I'm really freaked out and distrurbed by how dark this is but it's also funny too.' kind of way.

Anyway. Don't skip Season 4. just keep in mind what went into composing the overarching story.

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Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:33 PM

CAT1620RD

Actually S4's "Orpheus" was one of my favorite episodes in all of Angel soooo....

"It's a real burden being right so often."

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Sunday, January 1, 2006 10:47 PM

XLOGIC

Whilst not one of my favourites, actually ranking bottom for me, I definitely wouldn’t say that it was a “bad season”, just not the strongest.

Having said that, it is, as many pointed out, perhaps the most experimental seasons running – with that huge arc.

It also has some very strong episodes; ‘Apocalypse, Nowish’, ‘Orpheus’, ‘Inside Out’ and ‘Home’ being amongst my favourites of the show’s five year run.

I seen so much death... I been on fields carpeted with bodies, friends and enemies - i seen men and women blown apart to messes no further from me to you. But every single ones of those people died on their feet. Fighting. Or, hell, running away - doing summat to get through...

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:19 AM

KIDCONGOPOWERS

The problem with season 4 is that it doesn't really work all that good as a whole. Many of the parts are great, but they don't necessarily make any real sense together.

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For instance, I liked the whole "The Beast"/Rain of fire/Apocalypse thing, which led to the return of Angelus and subsequently Faith. I also liked the Jasmine arc. However, those two made little or no sense together, and it almost seemed like the writers were just making it up as they went along. If you consider the fact that Cordy was under the control of Jasmine since she came back, or at least since the memory spell in "Spin the Bottle", many of her actions and reactions to things that happen during the season seems very strange

With that said, it's still very enjoyable though, just not quite as good as some of the other seasons.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:36 AM

GROUNDED

Someone posted this link to a rather well argued deconstruction of S4 on Whedonesque the other day:

http://tomatonation.com/planb.shtml

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:48 AM

KIDCONGOPOWERS

Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
Someone posted this link to a rather well argued deconstruction of S4 on Whedonesque the other day:

http://tomatonation.com/planb.shtml

I thought that was somewhat whiny. Agree on some of the points, but some others were kinda ridiculous. I especially don't agree on the comments about S6 of Buffy and the whole Lilah thing that the reviewer for some reason goes on about for half a page.

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