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As much as it pains me to admit it, Spike is wrong.

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Originally posted by StakeTheLurk:
I wouldn't count out the cavemen so quickly. Astronauts might have survival training, but cavemen spend their whole lives surviving, and it makes a difference.

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Should I go for the sweet spot?
Left of the spine, fourth lumbar down,....

Kyra
Chronicles of Riddick.

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There's nothing like hunting dinosaurs and ancient mammals daily to make you strong beyond today's standards.

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Originally posted by StakeTheLurk:

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There's nothing like hunting dinosaurs and ancient mammals daily to make you strong beyond today's standards.

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Although I seem to have come down on the caveman side & I agree that they would be physically more robust than the astronauts, let's make one thing clear:

Cavemen did not hunt dinosaurs.

Now, go repeat that a hundred times to make up for your egregious error.

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Totally the caveman. Killing primitive animals is a lot more difficult than killing people. Also, since the astronaut doesn't have weapons, rifle training wouldn't do him a hell of a lot of good, would it?

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I don't know about nutirtion, but humans, as a race have gotten substantially larger/taller over time. I know that every ancient skeleton I've seen in museums come to about my sternum - but then, I'm fairly tall.

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but I understand that astronauts are picked to be small, to fit in small spaces,

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Originally posted by StakeTheLurk:
Although I seem to have come down on the caveman side & I agree that they would be physically more robust than the astronauts, let's make one thing clear:

Cavemen did not hunt dinosaurs.

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Originally posted by embers:
but I understand that astronauts are picked to be small, to fit in small spaces,
and when I saw the recent show at the Air & Space Museum about the current work done in space, they were all little tiny men (and women)
who lift weightless stuff all day, and are not muscle bound (fitting into tiny places...)

Plus cavemen fight dirty, and to the death,
I'm not sure civilized educated people are really up for that kind of all out rough and brutal battle....

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Originally posted by GunRunner:
Maybe the new astronauts are weaklings but the old ones had to fly aircraft with no fly-by-wire controls, which meant they had to have lots of strength to manipulate the controls. As for fighting dirty guys like Ilan Ramon, Buzz Aldrin, John Glenn etc would probably have no problem with it, these were men who bombed and strafed people and dueled to the death with enemy pilots. Some of the first Russian Cosmonauts lived thought WWII, they were some tuff mofos and have no problem with fighting “uncivilized”

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Maybe the new astronauts are weaklings but the old ones had to fly aircraft with no fly-by-wire controls, which meant they had to have lots of strength to manipulate the controls.

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Originally posted by Ursula:

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Maybe the new astronauts are weaklings but the old ones had to fly aircraft with no fly-by-wire controls, which meant they had to have lots of strength to manipulate the controls.

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Not to disagree about the strength of the original astronauts, but they were small men. A few years ago I saw the Liberty Bell capsule that was orbited by Gus Grissom. The space they gave him was teeny-tiny. How they ever fit him in there, I don't know. I couldn't have fitted one of my thighs in that space.

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when I saw the recent show at the Air & Space Museum about the current work done in space, they were all little tiny men (and women)
who lift weightless stuff all day, and are not muscle bound (fitting into tiny places...)

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while cavemen all died before they were 30 so would, by definition, be young and strong....

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Cavemen are not stupid. They're uncivilized, true, but not stupid. Stupid cavemen tend to quickly become dead cavemen.

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Also, guys: cavemen = REAVERS!

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strikes me as entirely inaccurate. Cavemen are normal men (pretty much) with primitive technology, while Reavers are insanely aggressive men who fly spaceships.

But cavemen would win against non-Reaver astronauts. A caveman's daily life is dependent on his ability to defend him and his with minimal technology, and this wariness has been bred into him from childhood. An astronaut, while perhaps a veteran, does not expect daily attacks from wild animals or men outside of actual warfare, and the man of today generally expects weapons to be involved in a serious fight. Also, cavemen are sturdy. Living before the poor nutrition that arose in settled agricultural societies, they are not inferior to astronauts just because they don't get daily vitamin pills.

And anyhow, as someone pointed out, how could Spike be wrong??

"it has some sweet character deaths -- I mean moments!" - Joss Whedon