Musings on Babylon5 by citizen

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Musings on Babylon5

POSTED BY: CITIZEN
UPDATED: Saturday, August 20, 2005 04:19
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Friday, August 19, 2005 6:34 AM

This started out as a rather short lived discussion on the S2 thread Babylon5 vs Star Trek, who would win? Okay its Babylon5, so there.
It kinda of moved on to the races of Star Trek and how unbelievable they are.
Then the Religion of the races of Babylon5 and how, imho, unbelievable they are...

So pick a topic (B5 vs ST, ST races, B5 Religion) and discuss, or post your own (B5 related preferably), its up to you...

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A: Kermit's undivided attention.

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Friday, August 19, 2005 6:36 AM

ZOOT

Slightly off topic, but what I really loved about B5 as opposed to Star Treck was the huge overarching story line of epic dimensions - superb!!

No other Sci-Fi does that except Star Wars ...

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Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm
armed.

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Friday, August 19, 2005 6:45 AM

CITIZEN

Not that off topic

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And of course Star Wars AKA George Lucas managed to

it up...

Besides, in a fight between Babylon5 and Star Trek, B5 would rule...

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Friday, August 19, 2005 1:08 PM

RELFEXIVE

So, elsewhere, I said...

Quote:
Originally posted by RelFexive:
Hmmm, Klingon vs Narn...

Have to say Narn. They are much cooler than Klingons, if only because it seems Narns want to be things other than warriors. All Klingons seem to want to be warriors and nothing else. How in hell does their society work? And how could they possibly mirror Earth culture enough to produce Hamlet yet be as different as they are? Typical Trek stupidness.

Plus, Narn use swords that actually make sense. Y'know, straightish blade, sharp on one edge. Swing it around, stick it in someone. None of that daft batleth crap. What use is one of those things really?

Klingons would lose every time. Then Mal would shoot the Narn. Game over.

And Citizen said...

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Rel, where did the Klingon Hamlet refrence come from?

The Narns are way better than Klingons, even though they were conquered by a bunch of wannabe Prussians with stupid hairstyles...

Klingon Society Geek note:
A society like Klingons is all wrong. They ascend the hierarchy by killing/beating their superiors... It would be entirely counter-productive to team work which would prevent a coherent society from forming...

Well... one of the (very very stupid) things set up in Trek was that, supposedly, the Klingons had an almost completely identical, parallel history to Earth. For example, apparently, all the most famous Earth writings from Sun Tzu to Shakespeare to Heinlein also exist for them, with no contact between the two races causing it.

As I said, stupid.

It gets referenced in the sixth film, The Undiscovered Country, when General Kang (or whatever his name was) mentions that Hamlet is better in the original Klingon - 'tach bah, tach beh' (or some such thing) for 'to be or not to be'.

Again with the stupid.

Otherwise, yes, I agree, Klingon culture does not make sense, espeically when it's as different as it is yet can still produce the works of Shakespeare from an utterly alien society. It's just the usual Trek bollocks.

"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."

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Friday, August 19, 2005 1:12 PM

RELFEXIVE

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Besides, in a fight between Babylon5 and Star Trek, B5 would rule...

To repeat, again, what I said elsewhere with my amazing sentanced answers:

B5 would win every time.

...grounds troops that are actually properly equipped and supported soldiers.

...warships with effective weapons.

...fleet tactics that extend outside the two dimensional model.

...leaders who will do Bad Things and make Hard Decisions to defeat a terrible foe.

...uniforms with pockets. Also, cooler uniforms, and better styled clothing generally.

...lavatories that we actually get to see.

...a society that could actually exist in the real world.

Need I say more?

"Can't -- Sentence -- Properly" - Nathan Fillion, on one of Adam Balwin's fluffed lines.

"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."

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Friday, August 19, 2005 1:24 PM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Rel:
It gets referenced in the sixth film, The Undiscovered Country, when General Kang (or whatever his name was) mentions that Hamlet is better in the original Klingon - 'tach bah, tach beh' (or some such thing) for 'to be or not to be'.

He was being ironic rel

He said shakespeare is better in the original klingon...
It was a joke

Plus if anyone wants to hear a Geek argument as to why B5 would beat the Federation I've got one...

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Friday, August 19, 2005 1:37 PM

RELFEXIVE

Hmm... maybe my source of info regarding the Earth/Klingon culture mirror malarcky is talking crap then *shrugs* Wouldn't be the first time.

"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."

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Friday, August 19, 2005 3:28 PM

CITIZEN

Damm, no one wants to hear my geek answer...
I don't get to sound clever...

*sulks*

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Friday, August 19, 2005 8:36 PM

THEREALME

* TheRealMe looks left, then looks right. *

Ahem! Citizen, could you please let us in on your answer as to...

Ummmm...

Whatever cool thing you were talking about...

The Real Me, First Officer of the Sereni-Tree

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Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:19 AM

EMMA

I agree with TRM I want to hear your geek thing.

Also, there are multiple religions for the races. Look at the Narns, remember G'kar follows the book of G'quan and took his name because of it. If you look at other Narn names (Talon, Natoth and so on), it logically follows that they chose different faiths. They follow prophets - hence G'kar became such a prominent figure, they saw him as another prophet. You could compare this to the three monotheistic faiths (each with their own sub-groups) Islam, Judaism and Christianity who essentially follow the same being (Allah/Yahweh/God).

extremely dimensionally transcendental

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Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:19 AM

CITIZEN

*feels important*
Then I shall furnish you with my Geek responce in due time...

The Narn prophets aren't like our prophets. I'd always seen them as important figures in the same religion, as the only 'god' mentioned for the Narns was G'Lan (possibly a Narn genetically mutated by Vorlon intervention?).
I could be wrong, but you still have the two other major species, such as the Centauri, that have only one religion. I mean they even all seem to wear the same cloths... (Which is an argument you can level at Narns too, but they seem to be a highly militarised culture, so it kind of makes sense in their case.)

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