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Fukushima Nuclear Reactor Status

POSTED BY: HAKEN
UPDATED: Friday, September 2, 2011 18:13
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Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:31 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


The fallout map below is false.

You can read the Snopes Info regarding it.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/fallout.asp



As a result, I renamed this thread so that we can track the status of the Fukushima reactors.

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 2:31 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh that is not good.

I got some interesting phone calls recently asking if any of my surplus-disposal or other former military contacts might know where aircraft with heavy lift capacity might be found in a hurry - fortunately there is an american subdivision of Sikorsky which has at least some heavy lift S&R choppers which might be useful, so I put them in touch...

Apparently they're shorthanded on carrier based heavy lift Search and Rescue, choppers are ideal for that, especially given the situation, and the Navy diverted one craft to Korea to collect up "everything they had", and cleaned them out completely - those were CH/MH-53's I think, which ought to be on site now and I hope they're useful.

How you doin in the islands, Haken ?
I hear it wasn't as bad as feared, and I winced at the thought of you getting swamped.

-Frem

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:43 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Sheesh - That's the kind of graphic that can start mass hysteria. It would be nice to know the source so we could have a sense of who is saying that. AND it would be nice to know how flipping dangerous that really is. Answers.com - a very questionable source - says: "About 500 to 1000 RADS is enough to kill a human. it takes between 1-5 days for the radiation to kill all the cells in a human body."

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:54 AM

DMI

Expired, forgotten, spoiled rotten.


Found an identical map where the logo had changed and all the numbers in the legend had been divided down by about 150. I also found a lot of websites calling the map a hoax, but none were reputable news sources themselves.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over this one yet.

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 4:41 AM

DMI

Expired, forgotten, spoiled rotten.


Quote:

Originally posted by beatupplenty:
You are using common sense to ruin everyone's drinking and fornicating before they get vaporized. In nine months there are gonna be a lot of newborns named Fukushima.

I think I name mine Fuk U. Shima



I hope the 'U' stands for Uhura.

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:41 AM

BYTEMITE


It's a hypothetical, as far as I know they've only measured high radiation levels within certain buildings, not outside in the environment for widespread dispersal.

But wind patterns would absolutely carry the fallout across the ocean and hit the US.

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:23 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Have you bought your potassium iodate today?

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:01 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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fwiw from the Nuclear Energy Institute

UPDATE AS OF 12:30 P.M. EDT, SUNDAY, MARCH 13:

NEI has created a new fact sheet, "Radiation and the Japanese Nuclear Reactors," which describes the events at the Fukushima Daiichi and Daini nuclear plants in Japan following the earthquake and tsunami nearby. Also a description of radiation dose limits and exposures to workers and the public in the United States, with a placeholder for radiation doses at the affected reactors in Japan.

http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/documentlibrary/safetyandsecurity
/factsheet/radiation-and-the-japanese-nuclear-reactors



UPDATE AS OF 8:30 A.M. EDT, SUNDAY, MARCH 13:

Tokyo Electric Power Co. continues to implement emergency cooling and pressure relief operations at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station. In addition, at Fukushima Daini, three reactors remain shut down. They have electrical power available at Daini, but the suppression water pools used for reactor cooling are saturated at both sites.

Fukushima Daiichi: There is a state of emergency declared at Fukushima Daiichi 1, 2 and 3. The company is venting containment structures at reactors 1 and 3. Reactor 3 uses mixed-oxide fuel. Electrical power is not available at any of the reactors at this site and there is not backup power available at Units 1, 2 and 3. TEPCO has been pumping seawater into reactors 1 and 3 to maintain cooling and there is some uranium fuel rod damage suspected at both reactors. Public evacuation has been ordered and executed in a 12-mile radius and there have been low levels of radiation released into the environment as a result of venting and the explosion at Unit 1 secondary containment. The maximum reported dose at the site is 128 millirem per hour, which is less than the annual average dose for commercial airline flight crews and far less than the radiation the average American is exposed to per year from all sources (see the the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's Web page on radiation protection). One worker at the site has received a radiation dose of 10.6 rem.

Fukushima Daini: There is a state of emergency at Units 1, 2 and 4 and evacuation has been ordered and executed for 2.5 miles around the plant. There has been no radioactive release reported at the site. There is electric power available at all four reactors at the site, but there is limited use of cooling water pumps at Units 1, 2 and 4 due to damage from the tsunami. The suppression pools are saturated at all three reactors.

Comments from Japanese officials:
The company is providing seawater and boron for core cooling at Fukushima Daiichi units 1 and 3 and is venting containment at the reactors, Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary, Yukio Edano, said on Sunday. Officials are acting on the assumption that a meltdown could be underway at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 3. "Unlike the No.1 reactor, we ventilated and injected water at an early stage," Edano said.

Authorities are preparing to distribute iodine to protect people from radioactive exposure.


NEI has created a new fact sheet, "Radiation and the Japanese Nuclear Reactors," which describes the events at the Fukushima Daiichi and Daini nuclear plants in Japan following the earthquake and tsunami nearby. Also a description of radiation dose limits and exposures to workers and the public in the United States, with a placeholder for radiation doses at the affected reactors in Japan.

http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/documentlibrary/safetyandsecurity
/factsheet/radiation-and-the-japanese-nuclear-reactors


Radiation and the Japanese Nuclear Reactors
March 2011

Key Facts

An earthquake measuring 9.0 on the Richter scale struck off the northeastern coast of Japan on March 11, triggering a tsunami. Along with the loss of life and damage, Japan also faces the challenge of stabilizing nuclear power plants in the hardest-hit region.
After the earthquake, all the operating reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi and Fukushima Daini nuclear plants shut down automatically, as they are designed to do. However, due to the loss of offsite power and failure of the backup diesel generators, there were difficulties powering the waste heat cooling systems at the Fukushima Daiichi plant.
To reduce the resulting increase in containment pressure, Tokyo Electric Power Co., vented steam—containing small amounts of radioactive material—from the primary cooling circuit of reactors 1 and 3. The released vapor passed though filters designed to remove radioactive components such as iodine and cesium. Upon release, the slightly radioactive vapor dispersed into the atmosphere.
Residents have been evacuated from a 12.5-mile radius around the Daiichi plant and about two miles around the Daini plant. The precautionary measures taken to evacuate residents near the sites are intended to prevent or mitigate any radiation dose from radiation releases that might occur as the situation develops.
A buildup of hydrogen gas in the secondary containment structure at Daiichi Unit 1 led to an explosion at that reactor (see reactor diagram). However, the integrity of the primary containment structure was not compromised and there were no large leaks of radiation from the reactor core.

Radiation Measurements

The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s (NRC) annual limit for worker exposure to radiation is 5,000 millirems (mrems). The average U.S. nuclear power plant worker receives 120 mrems annually. A typical X-ray provides 10 mrems per film.

The NRC’s public radiation dose limit is 100 mrems annually. The average U.S. public exposure from the commercial nuclear fuel cycle, including nuclear power plant operations, is less than 1 mrem per year.

The average American receives more than 600 millirems of radiation exposure annually—about half from naturally-occurring sources and the rest from medical applications, such as CT scans and X-rays. Although there is scientific evidence for health risks following high-dose radiation exposures, risks of health effects are either too small to be observed or are nonexistent at levels below 5,000–10,000 mrem. [1]

A small amount of radiation was released in the 1979 Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania, but studies found that it did not have an impact on health or the environment. About half of the reactor fuel at TMI Unit 2 melted during the early stages of that accident.

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:41 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.quake/index.html?hpt
=T1&iref=BN1



Quote:

Tokyo Electric, battling to avoid a meltdown at its Fukushima nuclear plant, faces “severe” rebuilding costs and Toshiba’s nuclear business may see increased scrutiny, said Minoru Matsuno, president of Value Search Asset Management Co. in Tokyo.

Radiation levels near the Fukushima plant, located 135 miles (217 kilometers) north of Tokyo, rose above Japanese limits after an explosion yesterday destroyed the walls of the reactor building. Nippon Steel Corp., Suzuki Motor Corp. and Canon Inc. today joined the growing number of companies saying their operations were hurt following the 8.9-magnitude earthquake on March 11 that rocked Japan and triggered tsunamis.

“For Tokyo Electric and anything nuclear-related, it’s going to be pretty bad,” said Makoto Kikuchi, chief executive officer at Myojo Asset Management Japan Co., a Tokyo-based hedge fund advisory firm. “The biggest fear I have is what will happen at the nuclear power plant as it would be a real disaster if the situation deteriorates into another Chernobyl.”

Disruptions at Shin-Etsu and Sumco Corp. account for about 60 percent of the world’s electronic wafers, will undermine global supply, which may benefit the No. 3 producer, Wacker Chemie AG’s Sitronic, according to Klaus Ringel, an analyst at Credit Agricole Cheuvreux.

Dennis Chan, an analyst at Yuanta Financial Holding Co., wrote March 11 that Sony, which has factories in Fukushima-ken and Tochigi-ken in northern of Japan, may be affected. The company makes about 10 percent of the world’s laptop batteries, according to Chan. The company said today that it’s halting production at eight factories that make products ranging from Blu-ray discs, magnetic heads and batteries.

Toyota, Nissan Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co. said thousands of new vehicles were damaged. Toyota will suspend production at its dozen factories in Japan and its body makers on March 14, while Honda said it will stop production at factories in Sayama, Mouka, Hamamatsu and Suzuka.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-13/tokyo-electric-toshiba-east-j
apan-rail-may-be-among-most-hurt-by-quake.html



Quote:

Japan battles to stop nuclear catastrophe

Prime minister Naoto Kan said Japan faced its “worst crisis” since the second world war as the nation grapples with the aftermath of Friday’s earthquake and tsunami and the increasingly serious situation at two nuclear reactors reports the Financial Times.

His warning came as fears grew that the death toll from the devastating tsunami would ultimately be measured in the tens of thousands.

I believe that by coming together as a nation we can overcome this crisis,” Mr Kan said in a televised news conference.

While rescue workers worked around the clock to find survivors of the tsunami along Japan’s north-east coastline, nuclear experts were trying to prevent a nuclear meltdown at an atomic plant in Fukushima, some 240km north of Tokyo.

Earlier on Sunday, Yukio Edano, the chief government spokesman, said there was a “significant chance” that radioactive fuel rods had partially melted in two reactors [Number One and Number Three] at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power facility.

More than 24 hours after engineers began pumping seawater into the Number One reactor, the water level inside its containment vessel and that of the Number Two reactor, remained significantly below levels needed to cool their uranium fuel and prevent a full nuclear meltdown.

Seawater injection at the second reactor began early on Sunday morning, but nuclear safety officials said the water level was not rising as intended. Olli Heinonen, former deputy head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said the Japanese authorities were “having tremendous trouble”.

“As they long as they can maintain a reasonable level of cooling at the affected reactors, they can avoid partial or full meltdown,” said Mr Heinonen. “But if they fail there will be a steam explosion and the dispersal of radioactive material. It may be a day or two before we know if they have succeeded.”

Mr Heinonen said the nuclear incident was “certainly the most serious since Chernobyl” which occurred in 1996.

On Sunday evening, an official at Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said fuel rods in the Number One and Number Three reactors were exposed by more than 1.5 metres inside their containment vessels. While coolant-water levels at the Number Two reactor were normal, engineers were preparing seawater injection equipment as a precaution.

Despite the growing concerns about the situation at the Fukushima nuclear plant, Mr Edano said the radiation levels outside the facility, operated by Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco), did not pose a major health threat.

“I am trying to be careful with words,” he said during a televised news conference. “It’s undeniable that some of the fuel may have been deformed, but this is not a situation where the whole core suffers a meltdown.”

Experts said a partial meltdown would likely mean that the reactors’ uranium fuel rods had cracked or warped in places from overheating, releasing radioactive particles into the reactors’ containment vessels. Some of those particles would have escaped into the air when engineers vented steam from the vessels to relieve pressure building up inside.

Adding to problems at the site, hydrogen from vented steam was detected in the Number Three reactor’s outer building, threatening an explosion similar to the one that blew apart the Number One reactor building’s roof and outer walls on Saturday. That blast left the reactor’s core and protective containment vessel intact, Japanese nuclear safety officials insisted.

It remained unclear how much radiation had escaped from the power station, or how far it had spread. Sensors at another nuclear complex 100km to the north picked up levels four times higher than the legal maximum, Japanese media reported.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7feb0aaa-4d3d-11e0-85e4-00144feab49a,Authorise
d=false.html




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Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:09 PM

WHOZIT


California has had;

Earthquakes

Mud slides

Flooding

Riots

Wildfires

Pea soup fog

The Donner Party

Now nuclear fallout, they can't catch a break.


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Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:26 PM

DREAMTROVE


It's their long term plan to pay us back for the rads we gave them.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:11 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Would now be an appropriate time for an "Oh god, oh god- We're all gonna die" reference??? Or would that come off as a little flippant?...

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:04 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Military Crew Said to Be Exposed to Radiation, but Officials Call Risk in U.S. Slight

NYTIMES.COM - The Pentagon was expected to announce that the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan, which is sailing in the Pacific, passed through a radioactive cloud from stricken nuclear reactors in Japan, causing crew members on deck to receive a month’s worth of radiation in about an hour, government officials said Sunday...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=1&src
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Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:17 PM

HAKEN

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Fukushima Reactor 3 exploding.

Like number one, the explosion is caused by the hydrogen buildup as a result of the attempted cooling process.




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Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:28 PM

HAKEN

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Feed and Bleed: Fukushima Reactor Cooling Still Dicey

In a maneuver called “feed and bleed” Japanese engineers are performing a hail Mary style attempt at cooling the troubled Fukushima reactor that has at least partially melted down...

http://conservativedailynews.com/2011/03/feed-and-bleed-fukushima-reac
tor-cooling-still-dicey
/




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Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:17 PM

HAKEN

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A bit more academic, but very informative.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7638



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Monday, March 14, 2011 3:03 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Who do you trust on this info? Japanese nuclear agencies have a history of misrepresenting "occurances" in the past according to cnn (brave).

http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html

"Japan Earthquake Update (14 March 2011, 07:00 CET)
Japan´s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) has provided the IAEA with further information about the hydrogen explosion that occurred today at the Unit 3 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. A hydrogen explosion occurred at unit 3 on 14 March at 11:01 am local Japan time.

All personnel at the site are accounted for. Six people have been injured.

>>> The reactor building exploded but the primary containment vessel was not damaged.<<<< The control room of Unit 3 remains operational.

The IAEA continues to liaise with the Japanese authorities and is monitoring the situation as it evolves.

Japan Earthquake Update (14 March 2011, 05:15 CET)
Based on information provided by Japanese authorities, the IAEA can confirm the following information about the status of Units 1, 2, 3 and 4 at Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant.

All four units automatically shut down on 11 March. All units have off-site power and water levels in all units are stable. Though preparations have been made to do so, there has been no venting to control pressure at any of the plant´s units.

At Unit 1, plant operators were able to restore a residual heat remover system, which is now being used to cool the reactor. Work is in progress to achieve a cold shutdown of the reactor.

Workers at Units 2 and 4 are working to restore residual heat removal systems.

>>> Unit 3 is in a safe, cold shutdown. <<<

>>> Radiation dose rate measurements observed at four locations around the plant´s perimeter over a 16-hour period on 13 March were all normal. <<<

Japan Earthquake Update (14 March, 2011, 04:00 CET)
Japan´s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) has informed the IAEA that there has been an explosion at the Unit 3 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

The explosion occurred at 11:01 am local Japan time.

The IAEA is seeking further information on this development.

Japan Earthquake Update (14 March 2011, 01:30 CET) - Clarified
Based on information provided by Japanese authorities, the IAEA can confirm the following information about the status of Units 1, 2 and 3 at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

Unit 1 is being powered by mobile power generators on site, and work continues to restore power to the plant. There is currently no power via off-site power supply or backup diesel generators being provided to the plant. Seawater and boron are being injected into the reactor vessel to cool the reactor. Due to the explosion on 12 March, the outer shell of the containment building has been lost.

Unit 2 is being powered by mobile power generators on site, and work continues to restore power to the plant. There is currently neither off-site power supply nor backup diesel generators providing power to the plant. The reactor core is being cooled through reactor core isolation cooling, a procedure used to remove heat from the core. The current reactor water level is lower than normal but remains steady. The outer shell of the containment building is intact at Unit 2.

Unit 3 does not have off-site power supply nor backup diesel generators providing power to the plant. As the high pressure injection system and other attempts to cool the reactor core have failed, injection of water and boron into the reactor vessel has commenced.
>>> Water levels inside the reactor vessel increased steadily for a certain amount of time but readings indicating the water level inside the pressure vessel are no longer showing an increase. The reason behind this is unknown at this point in time.<<< To relieve pressure, venting of the containment started on 13 March at 9:20 am local Japan time. Planning is underway to reduce the concentration of hydrogen inside the containment building. The containment building is intact at Unit 3."

That last bolded section is pretty ominous.

1 lesson for future nuclear reactor builds: name your power plants with significantly different names, not Fukushima Daiichi & Fukushima Daini

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Monday, March 14, 2011 6:52 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


The map's bogus.

It shows the logo of Australian Radiation Services, an actual company, but they have this disclaimer up on their website.

Quote:

DISCLAIMER: Australian Radiation Services is aware of information about radioactive contamination being spread from the Japanese nuclear reactor incident released under the ARS logo and name. We wish to be clear that this information has not originated from ARS and as such distance ourselves from any such misinformation.


http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/





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Monday, March 14, 2011 6:53 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


The map's bogus.

It shows the logo of Australian Radiation Services, an actual company, but they have this disclaimer up on their website.

Quote:

DISCLAIMER: Australian Radiation Services is aware of information about radioactive contamination being spread from the Japanese nuclear reactor incident released under the ARS logo and name. We wish to be clear that this information has not originated from ARS and as such distance ourselves from any such misinformation.


http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/





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Monday, March 14, 2011 7:59 AM

BYTEMITE


In Japanese, those names actually are significantly different: they're numbers. Daiichi is one, daini is two.

Why the US isn't bothering to translate them when it would help make reporting clearer is beyond me.

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Monday, March 14, 2011 8:01 AM

BYTEMITE


I wouldn't call it bogus. It actually does illustrate a possible scenario. What's bogus about it is the numbers - we don't know where the contamination numbers came from or how or who did the time lapse modeling, if anyone did.

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Monday, March 14, 2011 8:53 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Just a quick update.

Fukushima I reactor 2 seems to be damaged. Valves normally used to vent off pressure is damaged. To compound the problem, there seems to be a leak in reactor 2 and workers are having difficulty maintaining the water level which led the fuel rods being exposed to air twice.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-earthquake-fukushima-nuclear
-reactors-deteriorate-explosions-fuel/story?id=13131123






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Monday, March 14, 2011 8:58 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Under the current circumstances, I wish the Japanese wouldn't be so Japanese.

According to CNN:

[1:48 p.m. p.m. ET Monday, 2:48 a.m. Tuesday in Tokyo]
The Japanese government has formally requested the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Agency's assistance in responding to the situation at its nuclear power plants.



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Monday, March 14, 2011 9:13 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
In Japanese, those names actually are significantly different: they're numbers. Daiichi is one, daini is two.

Why the US isn't bothering to translate them when it would help make reporting clearer is beyond me.



"Hurry, we need to get to Fukushima 2!"
"Which one is that??"
"Not 'one' 'two!'"
"Too? We have to go to both?"
"No, we need to get to the number 2 Fukushima!"
"OK! On the map, which one is number 2?"
"It's the North one... I think."
"Then why didn't they call it Fukushima North for God's sake?!"
"God's Sake???"

There's an art to naming things.

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Monday, March 14, 2011 10:55 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I wouldn't call it bogus. It actually does illustrate a possible scenario. What's bogus about it is the numbers - we don't know where the contamination numbers came from or how or who did the time lapse modeling, if anyone did.



Considering that it was not made by the folks whose logo appears on it, it has no associated information about where the figures it shows come from or how they're derived, and it shows radiation levels (from other comments I've seen) higher than those at Chernobyl ground zero, It seems a thoroughgoing fraud created by someone to stir up concern.

If folk were going to do real modeling and publish it, you would think they would claim it, and not use someone else's logo as identification. I suspect they used ARS's logo to make it look more 'official'.

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Monday, March 14, 2011 10:59 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by HAKEN:

The Japanese government has formally requested the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Agency's assistance in covering up the situation at its nuclear power plants.



Fixed it.

Jap nuclear crisis highlights history of 'cover-ups'
"They had to shut down 17 plants in 2003 because they'd been falsifying the records about what had been happening at them."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/14/3163785.htm



Cute how those giant chunks of machinery shoot 1,000s of feet into the air, past the top of the giant mushroom cloud. TODAY.


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Monday, March 14, 2011 11:09 AM

BYTEMITE


Sure. And I just said we don't know how they did the modeling and the numbers are suspect and have no basis, unless 3000 rad was what they've measured in the contaminated buildings on site.

But don't discount the idea of fallout hitting America, because that's actually plausible. Like I said, we get pollution in the western US from Beijing. Check out where Beijing and Japan are relative to each other.

Quote:

The impact of all this extends far beyond China’s borders. Taken as a group, its coal-fired power plants emit the world’s highest levels of sulfur dioxide (a major element of acid rain) and mercury, both of which rise high into the atmosphere and hitch a ride on air currents circling the globe. One study, published last year in the Journal of Geophysical Research, calculated that three-quarters of the black carbon pollution in the atmosphere over the western United States originates in Asia. It is estimated that as much as 35 percent of all the mercury pollution in the western United States comes from abroad, and China is most likely the main culprit.



http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jan/china2019s-syndrome

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/2006JD007632.shtml




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Monday, March 14, 2011 11:21 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!






Fuck You #3 exploded today, blast 10 times bigger than the explosion Saturday of Fuck You #1.

Fuck You #2, Fuck You #4, Fuck You #5, Fuck You #6 are burning, fuel rods splitting open and melting.

The cleanup crew will be buried in 30 days. Dirt nap with baby Jesus.

Nothing to worry about...


Japan's nightmare gets even WORSE: All THREE damaged nuclear reactors now in 'meltdown'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365781/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-All-
3-Fukushima-nuclear-plant-reactors-meltdown.html



America on nuclear alert from Jap fallout
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366055/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Amer
ica-nuclear-alert-Fukushima-explosion.html


Funny how V predicted this nuke disaster last week, how sabotage of "Blue (Sun) Energy" would destroy confidence in the world use of Blue Energy, such as wiping out a city like New York...or Tokyo.

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Monday, March 14, 2011 1:07 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Latest status of reactors.



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Monday, March 14, 2011 1:57 PM

HAKEN

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Latest update: an explosion was heard at the location of the suppression pool of reactor number 2. Workers are currently being evacuated from the plant. There is a possibility that the suppression pool may have been damaged because pressure within the chamber went down with radioactivity went up in the surrounding area. The suppression pool is part of a last line of defense to prevent radioactive material from leaking to the outside.

You can listen to the live press conference here:

http://www.livestation.com/channels/123-nhk-world-english


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Monday, March 14, 2011 2:01 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Thanks to everyone for posting info about the nuclear situation in Japan. I agree with Byte that it is physically possible for us to get radiation if something goes wrong, but I don't think we need to be too concerned yet. I think people are doing their best to take care of the situation over there, hopefully it will get resolved as soon as possible.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, March 14, 2011 3:34 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Deadly alpha radiation can only be measured by tissue sample SUCKERS!

My potassium iodide is good to go...unless it has a short shelf life.

About 2,000 bodies found on coast of Japan's Miyagi-Kyodo
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/idUSL3E7EE09320110314


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Monday, March 14, 2011 4:17 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Latest updates:

Prime Minister of Japan has asked for calmness while telling people that they should all evacuate further out from the nuclear power plants and stay in their homes.

Additionally, there is now a fire with reactor number 4, which contains spent nuclear material and might be burning.

Furthermore, the containment unit for reactor 2 has been confirmed damaged and possibly might be leaking.


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Monday, March 14, 2011 6:18 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



Look at the pretty pretty MOX PLUTONIUM rocket ship...




Much bigger hole than Chernobyl, plus MOX PLUTONIUM...

Breathe ONE dust speck of "Demon" plutonium and you are DEAD, then you spontaneously combust
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOX_fuel

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Monday, March 14, 2011 6:51 PM

DREAMTROVE


A run on iodine in CA.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, March 14, 2011 7:57 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


PN, being prepared is always a good thing.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, March 14, 2011 8:00 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

A run on iodine in CA.



KI DIY FAQ and WARNINGS (it can kill you faster than the radiation)
http://www.ki4u.com/index.html
http://www.ki4u.com/faq-part-2.htm
http://www.ki4u.com/products1.htm

Earth's day length shortened by Japan earthquake
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/13/scitech/main20042590.shtml

Quake moved Japan coast 8 feet, shifted Earth's axis
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsuna
mi.earth/index.html?hpt=T1



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Monday, March 14, 2011 8:05 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


What a mess, a really scary situation in Japan, the earthquake is hard enough without this whole nuclear situation. I'm watching the news right now to learn more about newest developments.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, March 14, 2011 9:24 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Latest Updates:

Via the BBC:

Quote:

Japan has told nuclear watchdog, the IAEA, of a fire at the Fukushima plant and that radioactivity is being released directly into atmosphere.


Via CNN:

Quote:


CNN -- U.S. Navy personnel are taking precautionary measures after instruments aboard an aircraft carrier docked in Japan detected low levels of radioactivity from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, the Navy said Tuesday.

The USS George Washington was docked for maintenance in Yokosuka, about 175 miles (280 kilometers) from the plant, when instruments detected the radiation at 7 a.m. Tuesday (6 p.m. ET Monday), the Navy said in a statement.

Personnel will limit outdoor activities and secure external ventilation systems there and at a nearby air facility in Atsugi.

"These measures are strictly precautionary in nature. We do not expect that any United States federal radiation exposure limits will be exceeded even if no precautionary measures are taken," the Navy said.



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Monday, March 14, 2011 10:32 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Just keeps getting worse:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/asia/16nuclear.html?_r=1&hp

Japan Faces Potential Nuclear Disaster as Radiation Levels Rise

“We are on the brink. We are now facing the worst-case scenario,” said Hiroaki Koide, a senior reactor engineering specialist at the Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University. “We can assume that the containment vessel at Reactor No. 2 is already breached. If there is heavy melting inside the reactor, large amounts of radiation will most definitely be released.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-quake-web-20
110315,0,7521768.story


The U.S. government mobilized emergency resources to help Japan grapple with the developing nuclear crisis, dispatching a team of Nuclear Regulatory Commission experts late Monday, activating an atmospheric radioactivity monitoring center at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in the Bay Area and rushing additional Navy ships to the region.

In the best-case scenario, the situation at the damaged reactors will take weeks, if not months, to stabilize, U.S. nuclear experts said.

"They do not have the situation under control," said Robert Alvarez, a nuclear expert at the Institute for Policy Studies and a former Energy Department official.

The company's acknowledgement that a "suppression pool" at the bottom of Unit 2, designed to serve as a last line of defense against a meltdown, was believed to have been breached could represent a major escalation of the crisis, said Victor Gilinsky, a former member of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

"If that is true, then there is a path to the control room, the workers and the outside environment," he said.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:54 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The Union of Concerned Scientists’ All Things Nuclear blog http://allthingsnuclear.org/ is a useful source of informed information, including the fact that the level of radiation leakage at Fukushima Dai-Ichi considerably exceeds the design limitations imposed by the American Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). The NRC itself also has a blog http://public-blog.nrc-gateway.gov/ where they’re doing updates that may be of interest.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:16 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Reactor 4 in Flames at Fukushima Daiichi.

ABCNEW.GO.COM - The company that operates the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant said firefighters are trying to put out a fire at Reactor 4 at the plant. It was just the latest setback in the effort to stabilize the plant, which has already suffered three reported explosions at its six reactors...

http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-earthquake-radiation-leaking
-fukushima-reactors-containment-vessel/story?id=13136890




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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:19 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Possibly a bad development.

Large amounts of smoke is billowing from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant. No official press release as to the cause.

Speculation is that it could possibly be another hydrogen gas explosions from either Reactor 3 or Reactor 4. Either way, not good. Although not active, Reactor 4 contains 20 years worth of spent fuel rods that can ignite if exposed to air.

You can watch the NHK Live broadcast here:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv


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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:40 PM

KAREL

Flying on duct tape and a damaged registry.


What of the rain falling through all of that radioactive material? That can't be good.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:58 AM

ZEEK


So, you guys have followed this more than me. Maybe you know the answer to this. I keep reading that the backup generators were damaged. So, the plants couldn't pump fresh water in to cool the reactors.

So, in all these days of the crisis we couldn't get some new generators shipped in? There must be another problem there, but I haven't seen anything more than the generators being the base cause of the issues.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 4:13 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
So, you guys have followed this more than me. Maybe you know the answer to this. I keep reading that the backup generators were damaged. So, the plants couldn't pump fresh water in to cool the reactors.

So, in all these days of the crisis we couldn't get some new generators shipped in? There must be another problem there, but I haven't seen anything more than the generators being the base cause of the issues.



That is the official, somewhat simplified story, but no doubt on the scene it's much more complicated than that (like the tsunami broke things beyond just hooking up another generator). I have been on and off the story and pretty much always feel like no one quite knows exactly what's going on beyond the 50 people still on site.
And - maybe more importantly considering the Japanese Nuclear track record of misinformation, cover ups and cultural sensitivities to admitting mistakes - I can't say I trust anything that is related to the media outlets. If dangerous levels of radiation were streaming into the Japanese countryside right now I wouldn't be surprised if they'd put a lid on it thinking it's better to apologize tomorrow than admit failure today. It may be years before we really know.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 5:13 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Posted this on the RWED thread as well... Seems fairly informative.



3 separate cooling systems failed. The newer generation designs have cooling systems which would have kept working under these exact same scenarios.

Costly lesson to learn. Hopefully not a deadly one.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:00 AM

BYTEMITE


I did some math on this. According to Fick's Law, the flux of the concentrations and the diffusivity being the same, the only factor between the concentrations seen in surrounding regions after Chernobyl and the concentrations seen in the US after a theoretical containment failure like Chernobyl at these Japanese reactors should be the difference in distance. I calculated the first of the fallout would hit us eight days after the event, based on a report that it took 36 hours for the contamination to reach Sweden. I read that fallout 1000 km away from Chernobyl they found radiation in some boars at about 40000 Becquerels per kilogram, and from that I estimated the radiation in air about 48400 Becquerels per meters cubed. The distance between Japan and the US is 6000 km, so a good estimate for the fallout in America would be reduced to 1/6 of that, or about 7260 Becquerels per meters cubed. So we might end up with maybe 7260 Bq/kg in our system compared to the about 4400 Bq/kg which is normal.

So in Germany, where I pulled the Chernobyl fallout number from, there was about a nine month increased incidence of kids with Down Syndrome after Chernobyl, but they were getting six times the dose we'd be getting, which is twice our normal dose. This is still pretty minor, as calculating the dose-rate units from the activity rate for Iodine 131 here we get about 0.04 rad per hour. No where near the levels on the map.

Used a lot of fuzzy math for that, though, so don't quote me on that.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:21 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


NEWSCIENTIST.COM - The situation at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has become extremely unnerving. The Tokyo Electric Power Company has now admitted that the spent fuel rods could go critical - that is, a nuclear chain reaction could restart...

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/03/nuclear-cr
isis-radioactive-fue.html




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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:50 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


For those who haven't seen the updates on television:



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