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What happened to music?

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:45 AM

KANEMAN


Came across this. It plays a clip of America's #1 hits starting in 1956 thru 2007 6 minutes long. I personally like the later stuff, however I get the point. Any thoughts?


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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:21 AM

SICKDUDE


Can't do youtube at work, but this very topic is something I have been thinking about a lot recently.

Seems like the music and radio industries have had each other caught up in a death spiral for several years now. Music is promoted on radio, and conversely radio can only play what music is being made.

The music industry makes and promotes music of a few narrowly defined genres, and insists that its stars be young, charismatic, and live the rock-n-roll lifestyle. Less and less emphasis is placed on songwriting ability and voice talent. Further, if a musician is not the demographic they are looking for, they don't do the album. Lastly, the main fault of the music industry is price. It is just ridiculous that you can buy a movie on DVD cheaper than you can buy the soundtrack. I understand it takes about $0.10 to make a CD, and about $1.00 to make a DVD. Seeing as how the case and packaging can't be that much (maybe $.20) if there is a printing of at least 10,000 copies, why is it a CD from the store cost $14.00?!? Especially when a DVD only cost $7-15? Even with the artist getting a royalty, a CD should only be about $4-5. The music industry likes to complain about declining sales and piracy, but there would be a lot less of both if music were more of an impulse buy.

Meanwhile, the radio industry has been slowly digging its own grave for decades now. Marketing and programmed playlists kill creativity, enthusiasm, and variety. I was just listening to a report on NPR the other day where the subject was saying that basically Rock grew when FM stations were just starting out. With no one listening to them, the DJs were able to play whatever they liked, which happened to be early Rock (they mentioned Sgt Pepper specifically). It turns out there is still quite a bit of good music being made, but without exposure, the general populace never hears it, and it never catches on. Thus, radio is left with the same tired playlist year after year. Our local NPR just started a new station (89.3 the Current) last year that plays a huge variety of obscure rock aimed at youth. It often sounds like a university radio station, but for the first time in a long time, I have been discovering new music that I like. More radio stations should have an open playlist like this (and not just lip service saying that they do). They might find their audience growing instead of loosing people to XMRadio, ipods, etc.

Rant over. For now.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 2:37 PM

SAVEWASH

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Oh, I couldn't agree with you more! I'm so tired of hearing the same 10-12 songs over and over instead of something new and original. When will they get a clue???

My rant's over, too.


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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 2:48 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Came across this. It plays a clip of America's #1 hits starting in 1956 thru 2007 6 minutes long. I personally like the later stuff, however I get the point. Any thoughts?

Hey, you’re preaching to the choir (). I’ve always thought that recent popular music has taken a huge dive for the worst, largely because of rap. I don’t even listen to the radio anymore, because there’s nothing but crap on. Neither MTV nor VH1 actually play music videos anymore, because all they have to play is crap.



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 3:18 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Looks like things went down the crapper in the mid 90's.

IMO, things went down hill when people started to let computers make the music for them instead of playing the instruments themselves

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:46 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA


Good observation Kaneman. I agree with rap, it's like nails on a chalkboard. In the early 90's when rap was combined with dance music it was actually playable because instead of this monotone that most rappers these days use, they actually used different levels of tone, as close to singing as rappers can get, then something happened and suddenly rap was only cool if it was gansta and or dealt with bikin clad woman bumping and grinding all over them.

Even rock stations have gotten into the grind of playing top 10 lists, but fortunately for me I've found 2 stations that play quite alternative and different music (that top 40 stations only hear about months or years later) and because of these stations I've discovered a whole new realm of music. But even then I end up flipping through stations because on rare occasions all of them play songs or bands I hate. Thankfully I have a lot of songs on my computer that I can listen to on my headphones (which I am at the moment actually doing )

Remember when it was about music? wWhen MTV only had a few video's in it's vaults and played them over and over again and even then the video's were only secondary to the song? Remember when the only time you'd ever see a singer is in concert? When the music industry was just a means of getting songs out there and not the megamonster corporations they've become?

When does the revolution start?

Just a note: They're worried about piracy, I thought they WERE the pirates. Only way to explain their charging so much money for a cd that at most have a few good songs.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:07 PM

STORYMARK


You guys are making yourselves sound very old.

Everyone thinks music was great when they were young, and the new stuff is crap.

Next, you'll be chasing kids off your lawn.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:09 PM

TRAVELER


I really have not bought much music lately. I find I listen to most anything made from the 50's to the 80's. Also listen to some Rythum and Blues, which is not far removed from Rock.

They seemed to cover a lot in six minutes. I would have done a few changes, but they seemed to have covered about every style of Rock and Roll plus some POP thrown in. So as they used to say on American Band Stand. I give it only a 75. You can't dance to it.

I was surprised there was so much Rap at the end. Is it that popular? I would have thought there would be other styles of Rock out there at this time.


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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:10 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Damn kids and their rock music.



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Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:17 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
I was surprised there was so much Rap at the end. Is it that popular? I would have thought there would be other styles of Rock out there at this time.

Is it that popular? It’s pretty much consumed the music industry like some kind of blinging, daddymacking, dusta-rhymin influenza. Of course, it’s not like I’m surprised. Any idiot with a pissed off look and a limp can do it.

Personally, I like actual music in my music. I think Billy Joel was probably the last true great musician.



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Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:24 PM

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Well, the only rap I can stand is the Fugees, and that's mid-late nineties, back when the bling-n-babes movement wasn't in full swing...

EDIT: Oh, and the rap Gorillaz do. 'Battlesong,' 'Clint Eastwood,' the stuff with Del (a.k.a 'DELTRON.')





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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:29 PM

TRAVELER


I see why I don't buy music anymore. It seems there is not much out there that is worth the effort or the cash. I would comment on Rap, but I actually don't listen to it. It gives me a headache is about all I can say.


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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:34 PM

THATWEIRDGIRL


While I agree the music industry ain't what it should be, I won't place the blame on Rap. It's the execs! (A particular style of rap drives me crazy, but historically, I've quite liked it...read that as a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.)

I remember working at the college radio station where we had two rules: don't play anything off of any current top ten and don't play/say anything to get fined. We could bring in our own music. It was a blast looking for obscure music.

These days I don't listen to the radio. If I do, I stick to oldies, classic rock, or some such. I buy an album, when someone I know recommends it.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 5:46 PM

KAYNA

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You guys are making yourselves sound very old.

Everyone thinks music was great when they were young, and the new stuff is crap.

Next, you'll be chasing kids off your lawn.


What about me? I'm 22 and I agree with pretty much all of what has been said here. Though I do have a strange taste in music. I beleive the term is eclectic. Everything from Billy Holiday, to The Who, to Loreena McKennitt, to a band called Lordy that I think is Norewegian or some such. And of course everything in between. Minus "Gangsta" Rap and anything harder than the above mentioned Lordy. I like some of the shouty rock music but only if it actually contains music in it somewhere.

Also, I stopped listening to the radio when I was about 17. Yet every time I get on a car with someone who has the radio on, it sound pretty much the same as it did five years ago. I miss music. Where did it go?

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:45 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You guys are making yourselves sound very old.

Everyone thinks music was great when they were young, and the new stuff is crap.

Next, you'll be chasing kids off your lawn.




How exactly is that? My only requirement is that bands/groups/etc actually play there music NOT by clicking play.

For that matter, I'm not saying that something isn't music b/c I don't like it. Hell, I absolutely HATE country music (except some Johnny Cash, gotta love Johnny Cash ), but it /is/ most certainly music.

But, what does the rap/whatever people do. They take a track of real music, sample it, do whatever to it including messing with it, then (as has been said above) they put on a pissed off look and limp around /talking/, completely destroying the musical value of the original song.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:52 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You guys are making yourselves sound very old.

Everyone thinks music was great when they were young, and the new stuff is crap.

Next, you'll be chasing kids off your lawn.




How exactly is that? My only requirement is that bands/groups/etc actually play there music NOT by clicking play.

For that matter, I'm not saying that something isn't music b/c I don't like it. Hell, I absolutely HATE country music (except some Johnny Cash, gotta love Johnny Cash ), but it /is/ most certainly music.

But, what does the rap/whatever people do. They take a track of real music, sample it, do whatever to it including messing with it, then (as has been said above) they put on a pissed off look and limp around /talking/, completely destroying the musical value of the original song.

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They wreck your interpretation of musical value (and mine for that matter, I hate most Rap, too). But there are a LOT of people who really like it - it works for them. And in 10-15 years, they'll probably be complaining about whatever is popular then. And any music you like, I bet you we could find someone who hates it. It's just how it goes.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:56 PM

SIGMANUNKI


*waves at twg*

Quote:

Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:

While I agree the music industry ain't what it should be, I won't place the blame on Rap. It's the execs!




I'd actually blame both.

Rap is so easy and mindless to do any "gangsta" can do it, which is rather problematic given the topic of most (if not all) rap for the past... while.

It's the execs fault as well b/c they promote it to the point where gangsta crap is pretty much glorified with obvious results. Which they in turn exploit.

This cycle continues.

*sigh*

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 8:04 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

They wreck your interpretation of musical value (and mine for that matter, I hate most Rap, too). But there are a LOT of people who really like it - it works for them. And in 10-15 years, they'll probably be complaining about whatever is popular then. And any music you like, I bet you we could find someone who hates it. It's just how it goes.




I'd hate to tell you this, but "my" interpretation of musical value is... long standing. Think all music that pre-dates computers long standing and then some.

Oh, and we are exactly NOT talking about whether people like rap or not. For that matter, whether people like something or not has exactly NOTHING to do with whether it is music or not.

Nice straw-man btw.


Btw, an old class-mate and I were talking one day about this type of stuff. The conclusion that we came to is that rap et al was NOT music, BUT could be considered a kind of art. Though similar, these two are most certainly NOT the same.

Sorry, but a computer is not an instrument. Just b/c it can MIMIC something does NOT mean it is that something.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 8:27 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Damn kids and their rock music.




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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 11:20 PM

THEELEVENTHCHARACTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Kayna:
Quote:

to a band called Lordy that I think is Norewegian or some such.



If you mean Lordi it´s Finnish.

If you look at americas number one hits it seems that music died in mid 90s but the truth is there is still lots of good music, you just have to find it first. I personally like metal music and it seems that it´s getting pretty popular at least in Finland. Unfortunately the same thing that happened to punk and rap is happening to metal; many of the new bands are products of big labels and their only purpose is to make lots of money. Needless to say all those bands suck.

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 1:00 AM

HUGHFF


Re Country Music: Alt country (eg Jason and the Scorchers) continues to be the most unappreciated popular music genre in the world today. And how anyone on a Firefly board can knock country music is a little mystifying - the soundtrack of our BDH's lives is heavier on the C&W than any other genre, including east asian ethnic.

I decided around the time I left scholol that anything that makes the charts (and ever has) by definition sucks. Most of it sucks like a whirlpool, some of it sucks like an open wardrobe. I don't mind listening to sucky music at times but the more copies it sells, the less interested I am. Anything that caters to a mass market has to have all the uniqueness (is there such a word?) vacuumed out.

What really pisses me off, however, is music that has been recorded for ipod. They have it so digitally compressed that its virtually unlistenable. Two recent albums that I've listened to that have done that are Arctic Monkeys (the first one, I haven't bothered with the second) and the Costellos. They sound like they had some potential but the albums are the musical equivilent of a hangnail. Not painful, just a dull, annoying ache.

Edit:- I'm 42: obviously I hate rap.


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Thursday, June 7, 2007 2:48 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


There is a lot of unappreciated country music, but I think that is because a lot of popular country music tends to be very predictable, in both its lyrics and its melody. If you dig a little deeper, you’ll find very some very good music and some varieties like bluegrass, blues and traditional music which are widely underappreciated by modern audiences. I've never met anyone who claimed to hate country music that didn't make exceptions for certain types of country music or certain artists.

I’m not anti-Billboard. I happen to think that a lot of popular music is very good. One thing I found interesting was that in the midst of the declining popular music starting in about the 90s, there was a song that was top on the charts that was a collaboration between Carlos Santana and Rob Thomas called “Smooth,” which is a great song. It stands in stark contrast to the popular rap music with its complex Latin rhythms and melody and lyrics that are actually song to follow the melody. So a song is not necessarily bad because it is popular.

I tend to agree with people that it is rap that has destroyed popular music, but I think the roots of this go back much further. At some point, the emphasis on talent was exchanged for an emphasis on appearance. Someone like Bob Dylan or Janis Joplin, regardless of their obvious talent, would have trouble making it in the music business today as a solo artist next to people like Britney Spears, who has no talent apart from pretty eyes and boobs. Listen closely to Britney Spears – she has trouble holding a tune and she has no vibrato in her voice. She can’t sing, but she is on top (or she was). It’s not just rap music – popular music seems to be dominated by ostentatious displays that put actual talent in the back seat. And in that kind of environment, gangsta rap, with its central offensive flamboyancy, is obviously going to bubble to the top.



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Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 5:10 AM

KANEMAN


"Re Country Music: Alt country (eg Jason and the Scorchers) continues to be the most unappreciated popular music genre in the world today. And how anyone on a Firefly board can knock country music is a little mystifying"


Well, I can't stand country. I do love Allison Krauss, though........I am the lucky one.....

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 5:23 AM

KANEMAN


I would agree that it seems to take a downturn in the mid 90's. My point was not anti-rap. I do state I like the later stuff in my post. I just think the musical integrity is lost, that the masses are sheep and are being force fed some of this shit. The lyrics have gone in the toilet, and...Where are the musicians?

For the record...My favorite bands, musicians, or performers are.....

The used, The cure, Taking Back Sunday, The misfits, Allison Krauss, The outfield, R. Stones, B. Marley, Iron Maiden, Fleetwood Mac, and Motha fu*kin Bach..........Well, with a sprinkle of New Order....

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 5:49 AM

EMPIREX


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You guys are making yourselves sound very old.

Everyone thinks music was great when they were young, and the new stuff is crap.

Next, you'll be chasing kids off your lawn.



LOL! But I'm only 24 and I agree with them entirely! I can't stand listening to the majority of the newer stuff. When I look at my music collection, it's mostly 1930s - 1970s. Sure I loved some of the 80s pop music; I grew up listening to it because of my older sister. But I agree that music started going downhill in the early 90s. I mostly hate rap. But I do enjoy some of eminem's music. It's entertaining and funny. Do I have any of his CDs? Nope. I like Kanye West, but then he uses a lot of actual music and his lyrics are very clever. I have both of his CDs. But he's about it for me when it comes to rap.

The newer artists that I've fallen in love with recently - I have to thank the online community for helping me find them. I've discovered a lot of artists from watching X-Files and Firefly fanvids: Keri Noble, Patty Griffin, K's Choice... Especially the first two. I ran out and bought ALL of their CDs. Not a bad song between the two of them.

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 5:55 AM

KHYRON


It's not just popular music, I listen to some pretty weird stuff (alternative - and mean the proper, real alternative, not that junk they play on the radio and call alternative) and there's been a huge downward spiral since about '95. Every now and again some decent song comes along, but most part it's awful, and even bands that used to be good start producing rubbish that for some reason sells more copies.



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Thursday, June 7, 2007 6:10 AM

EMPIREX


Quote:

Originally posted by hughff:
Re Country Music: Alt country (eg Jason and the Scorchers) continues to be the most unappreciated popular music genre in the world today. And how anyone on a Firefly board can knock country music is a little mystifying - the soundtrack of our BDH's lives is heavier on the C&W than any other genre, including east asian ethnic.



It was actually my love for Firefly that kindled my new love for american roots/bluegrass/country music (Check out the soundtrack to the movie "Songcatcher"). Not the new stuff mind you (with the exception of Alison Krauss and Old Crow Medicine Show), but the classics: Johnny Cash, Dolly Parton, and Emmylou Harris. Also my love for Loreena McKinnet and Caroline LaVelle's celtic-inspired world music is another direct influence of Firefly on my musical tastes.

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 6:10 AM

REDLAVA


Pretty much what has happened to music is the corporate radio station. Companies like Clear Channel have pretty much ruined the music business. There is some great music out there you just have to look harder than usual to find it. It is next to impossible to find a good independent radio station anymore. I mostly listen to NPR now in my car on the way to work and back just so I don't have to hear the same crappy Hinder or flavor of the month pop/hip hop song every rutting day.

Even 89.7 The River here in Omaha is starting to get on my nerves. For every decent rock tune they put out there are two crappy ones they have to play twice. My home town of Iowa City has the local university station that I would listen to everyday. Some of their music was crappy, but some was real good, and the best part was that 80% of the bands I have never heard of or listened to before.

I crave variety and musical talent, not the next Beyonce song that sounds like the last one.



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Thursday, June 7, 2007 6:26 AM

CRUITHNE3753


As I see it, the industry quite simply wants to condition large amounts of people to enjoy mindless drivel, because then they can sell mindless drivel in huge quantities without having to look for any actual talent. Noticed in the last few years there hasn't been much in the way of manufactured "boy bands"? The reason for this is that the industry has re-focused their manufactured pap by misappropriating the term "R&B" so they can target a larger audience than the traditional 12-year old schoolgirl market.

Also wasn't rap/hip-hop a lot better back in the 80s and early 90s? Edgy, intelligent, funky stuff like Public Enemy and De La Soul, but now it's idiots like 50 Cent. I'm hoping that out there somewhere, there's some talented, charismatic black kid who's just come across his uncle's collection of James Brown, Edwin Starr, Parliament/Funkadelic and the like, and in a couple of years say what needs to be said and kick things into shape.

One thing the past few years - here in the UK at least - has been the phenomena of taking the entire instrumental portion of a hit record from a number of years ago, and replacing the vocals with some vacuous bimbo singing all the wrong words.

I wouldn't dismiss programmed music outhand, there has been some great music made using sampling and programming by those who take the time and effort, but then it is the technology that makes it easy just to knock out a half-arsed 4-4 beat and make do.

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 6:55 AM

SICKDUDE


Quote:

Originally posted by Redlava:
Pretty much what has happened to music is the corporate radio station. Companies like Clear Channel have pretty much ruined the music business. There is some great music out there you just have to look harder than usual to find it. It is next to impossible to find a good independent radio station anymore.


Exactly!

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 7:12 AM

SAFEAT2ND


Wow!! this is exactly what I was thinking the other day on the way to my softball game, only I thought it was because I was getting old.

The seek button on my truck has all the printing worn off it from over use. What does that have to say about the music industry? In fact, why do you think the car manufacturers are putting those buttons on the steering wheel anyway.

Most people that have posted here, young and ... older, have said they lean towards the older music. That's where my seek button pauses now, on The Eagles, CCR, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Jimmy Buffet and most definitely Billy Joel. I think it's because while it may not have always been 'good' music, it was at the very least music.

Take a look at American Idol or Canadian Idol. Watch to see what songs the kids are picking to sing. Watch to see where the industry wants them to sing and how to look, THAT'S whats happened to music.

I'm not a big fan of Country music or Rap, but I do like some of each. I liked Wil Smith, Fugees and even the Humpty Hump. But angry Gansta Rap??? C'mon.

I'm finding I like Norah Jones, and any artist that breaks the mold and sings something different.

K-OS is a great new sound. Harkens back to the hip-hop, funk sounds. Put The Crab In The Bucket was his first hit.


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Thursday, June 7, 2007 7:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by safeat2nd:
I'm finding I like Norah Jones, and any artist that breaks the mold and sings something different.

Norah Jones won 5 Grammies almost right out the door singing tunes more reminiscent of the 1950s then 2007. What that says to me is that people are really pining for real music song with a beautiful voice, but something is making this current crap more profitable. I don’t know what it is.



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Thursday, June 7, 2007 7:32 AM

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My main dislike is "artists" that don't actually sing. "Singing" means using one's voice as an instrument, acheiving different vocal effects through tone, modulation, pace (yes, rap qualifies). There are too many "singers" these days that just yell in time (sometimes) to the music.

Strangely enough, I've come to love Japanese rap. I think it's cause the language is better suited to short, sharp, clearly-defined syllables than English is.

The other thing is that music (like all art) needs to have some emotional core, even if it's just exhuberance (yeah, I'll even listen to pop music, as long as it makes me feel something). As someone once said WRT the new Battlestar Galactica: It's a mistake to think that "drama/emotion" has to mean "always serious."

This is why I can't stand my mom's shmaltzy "folk music" (one guy warbling a tune that was old when mom was a child, usually religious, talking about how great God is, carefully free of anything emotional or potentially new, unexpected, or offensive).

Of course, I also like my music from all over the world, in as many languages as I can find it, which is a problem when the local charts don't include anything from outside NorAm.

Some examples from my current playlist (on this machine; I have other music elsewhere):
"Broken Road" (by Rascal Flatts)
"Une Monde Sans Danger" (extended French theme song to Code Lyoko)
"Pride" (by High and Mighty Color, the theme song from Gundam Seed Destiny. Features a pop ballad backed by rap)
"You Mai You Lai" (by. . . by all means. I heard it in an AMV)
"5. Marz" (by Megaherz)
"Nothing Else Matters" (as performed by Gregorian Monks, an English ballad turned into a Latin chant)
"Baila Morena" (by Zucchero)
"Tu Hai Kahan" (by Junaid Jamshed)
"Ding Dong" (by Yuki Hsu. Mandarin pop)
"Rithill Aill" (by Karen Matheson)
"St. Elmo's Fire" (by John Parr)
"Wayward Son" (by the Eagles)
"A Place in Time" (extended version of the theme from The 4400)
"John The Revelator" (by Depeche Mode)
"Dangerous" (by Hilary Duff)
"What if I Stumble" (by DC Talk)
"Rise" (extended version of the theme from Ghost in the Shell: SAC: 2nd Gig. Japanese/Russian fusion, composed by Yoko Kanno and performed by Origa)
"Warriors" (by Freedom Call)
"Metal Invasion" (by Freedom Call)
"Holy Knight" (by Freedom Call)
"Hero Nation" (by Freedom Call)
"Could It Be" (by Christie Carlson Romano --the Kim/Ron love theme from Kim Possible)
"Listen To Your Heart" (the slow version, by Dht)
"Fields of Hope" (the Japanese version, performed by Lacus Clyne [played by Tanaka Rie] in Gundam Seed Destiny)
"Emotion" (performed in Japanese by Lacus Clyne and Meer Campbell)
"Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego" (the theme by Rockapella)
"Don't Download This Song" (by Weird Al)
"Shounen Heart" (the second opening from Eureka 7. Rappish jazz/pop)
"Rewrite" (by Asian Kung-Fu Generation, from Fullmetal Alchemist)
"Go" (by Amy Diamond)
"Shooting Star" (by Amy Diamond)
"Welcome to the City" (by Amy Diamond)
"Champion" (by Amy Diamond)
"First Day of my Life" (by Mel C --formerly Sporty Spice)
"Next Best Superstar" (by Mel C)
"D-Technolife" (by UVERworld, from Bleach)
"Ghost Riders in the Sky" (covered by Spiderbait, from Ghost Rider)
"Remember the Name" (by Fort Minor)
"I Still Believe" (by Hayden Panettiere --who plays Claire on Heroes)
"Moon on the Water" (by Maho & Koyuki, from Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad)
"Not Ready to Make Nice" (by the Dixie Chicks)

(I just realized; all my Evanescence and Within Temptation are on the other computer. )

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 7:47 AM

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The execs and the corporate stations are messing with our music.

Over on Tash's site, www.strangefinger.com, we created a music board so we could share good music. Shall we share some of our finds here? A couple of years ago I had Fisher ( http://www.fishertheband.com/index.html) handed to me. Not my first choice (I like rock), but I love the leads voice. Very nice.

Who's next?

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 8:34 AM

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TWG, I had heard their song Dirty Girl before. Not a bad group.

You know what I think is missing from today's music? Where's the story tellers gone?

Anywho, here's two Canadian groups for those who like music from around the world.

http://www.k-osmusic.com/home.asp Kinda a Rap, Hip-Hop, Disco blend.

http://www.greatbigsea.com/themusic/rantroar.aspx What I call "down east" music, or "down home". Definite Keltic flair to it.

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 1:18 PM

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I don't know too much about the music industry and it's intricacies (other than most pop music sucks nowadays), which is why I normally steer clear of discussions like this.

But what I do know is that I consider iTunes to be something of both a blessing and a curse. A curse in that some stuff isn't available for dumb reasons, but a blessing in that I can discover something I normally wouldn't have and feel like I uncovered buried treasure.

Yesterday, I was checking iTunes to see if there was anything new that warranted me getting a 20 dollar card to purchase. I see a tab that has "Knocked Up' on it. I click on it and discover that it's actually called "Strange Weirdos - Music from and inspired by "Knocked Up" by Loudon Wainwright III. So it's a soundtrack/latest album from the guy who not only had a small part in the movie (as the OB-GYN they finally settle on), as well as Judd's good luck charm (he was the father in UNDECLARED and the minister that marries Andy and Trish in THE 40 YEAR OLD VIRGIN), but who also did some of the music in the movie.

Now, I had heard that he's a singer that acts, as opposed to an actor who sings, but I appreciated him more for his acting talent than his singing and songwriting. And the main reason I got the album was because of the association with KNOCKED UP (which BTW is an amazing comedy and the first true movie of the summer), and I recognized the score and the song from the end of the movie "Daughter". Well, I listen to the whole album today, and it's the best full album I've loved since "LOVE" by The Beatles. The album both works as a greek chorus of the film that perfectly tells the story of the movie and complements the film. And it also works as a stand-alone album from Loudon that showcases his funny and poetically insightful songwriting and his wise, romantic and melancholic singing voice.

It's just an incredibly beautiful album (I almost hesitate to call it a soundtrack because only a few of the tracks are in the actual movie) that I'm glad I discovered by accident.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if one can discover these little gems amidst the American Idol rejects and the disposable rappers and corporately manufactured dreck, and for those gems to be available to everyone, then the industry must be doing something right, even if it's by accident.

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Friday, June 8, 2007 1:12 AM

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Is it weird that I'm 16, and yet with the exception of Kenny Loggins in 84(?) and Guns n Roses in 88, I actually know, and prefer more of the songs from before 1980 than from after it?
I much prefer music from the 70s, 80s and early 90s, being that most of my favourite bands are now either old, split up or dead.

Though I can't believe that not even Nirvana were in it.

Someone should do one for the English charts.


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Friday, June 8, 2007 3:07 PM

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I think I'm going to be going out on a limb here, by saying that I don't, in fact, have a definite predisposition towards older music. Sure there's lots of older stuff I like, even love, but, the stuff i really go for are the gems among the new stuff. So maybe you have to look to find them, but hey, means the tickets for the gigs are cheaper.
The old stuff is what gives the new stuff I like depth, gives it a background and context, but I don't believe that it's inherently better, and I don't believe that the music industry is in 'decline,' it is after all an industry, it's principle concern is making money. Not sure why that seems so offensive to some. You want to listen to some really good, inventive music, get out and find it, whole worlds just waiting, and the discoveries are all the sweeter for having needed some effort.

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

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Friday, June 8, 2007 3:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
I think I'm going to be going out on a limb here, by saying that I don't, in fact, have a definite predisposition towards older music. Sure there's lots of older stuff I like, even love, but, the stuff i really go for are the gems among the new stuff. So maybe you have to look to find them, but hey, means the tickets for the gigs are cheaper.
The old stuff is what gives the new stuff I like depth, gives it a background and context, but I don't believe that it's inherently better, and I don't believe that the music industry is in 'decline,' it is after all an industry, it's principle concern is making money. Not sure why that seems so offensive to some. You want to listen to some really good, inventive music, get out and find it, whole worlds just waiting, and the discoveries are all the sweeter for having needed some effort.



Agreed.

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Friday, June 8, 2007 3:46 PM

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I don’t think anyone was saying that the music industry is in decline. I think we are talking about the quality of the music is declining. The industry is obviously doing very well, but it’s doing very well with music that doesn’t seem to have nearly the quality of music from the past. And you’re right there is a lot of popular music that is very good. I made that point earlier. The point that is puzzling is that this music that is good doesn’t seem to have as much popularity as the music that isn’t really that good. I don’t know how to quantify that. I’m not music critic or musician, but like most people I do listen. It’s just an impression that I get from listening to the radio and watching what songs and artists seem to be the most popular. Now maybe I’m just getting old as someone suggested earlier. I have no doubt that could be part of it, but I don’t find myself shaking my finger at young people for their choice of music, because quite frequently, even many younger people seem to agree with me. I think there really is something tangible behind the observation that the quality of popular music is declining, in general.



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Saturday, June 9, 2007 1:54 AM

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Well I'd agree with you that the vast majority of music which is successful is shite, there are some bands which are both good and popular, few and far between admittedly, but do you think perhaps the past might be getting painted in a rather selective way, I mean, not every heavy rock band was a Zeppelin, not every solo singer was a Dylan, perhaps ability did make it easier to get to the top, but I'm thinking maybe not so much as we're all supposing.

As for the distinction between the music industry and the music it's creating, mere semantics No you're right, i should have recognised the distinction, was in a bit of a rush to be going out, just wanted to make the point more for everyone blaming the execs, nobody made making brilliant music part of their job description, just making money, can't really hold them to account for it.

Perhaps the declining taste of the masses has a lot to do with the masses not taking music quite as seriously as some do, and not having the time or inclination to make a point of tracking down the best music about. The masses have enough time and inclination to listen to what's readily available, and if the industry recognizes this, and recognizes that it can make some shortcuts with what's available, well, as we've both agreed, it is after all an industry. So maybe it leaves a few of us feeling rather disgruntled, the masses are happy, the industries happy, how often can that be said of any kind of business?

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 5:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
I would comment on Rap, but I actually don't listen to it. It gives me a headache is about all I can say.


Me too! It's just noise--offensive noise. I had to omit BET and MTV channels from my cable because I couldn't even flip by w/o seeing some barely dressed girl wiggling her butt at a guy. I have young kids and I don't want them seeing that crap.
I gave up listening to the radio because of too much talk and adds. I have an mp3/CD player in my car. Mostly I listen to soundtracks (like Firefly, LOTR etc.) Occasionally I buy something current like Chris Daughtry.
Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
My main dislike is "artists" that don't actually sing. "Singing" means using one's voice as an instrument, acheiving different vocal effects through tone, modulation, pace (yes, rap qualifies). There are too many "singers" these days that just yell in time (sometimes) to the music.


I think there are too many artists today who look pretty but have little actual singing talent. Video really did kill the radio star.

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 5:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
I would comment on Rap, but I actually don't listen to it. It gives me a headache is about all I can say.


Me too! It's just noise--offensive noise. I had to omit BET and MTV channels from my cable because I couldn't even flip by w/o seeing some barely dressed girl wiggling her butt at a guy. I have young kids and I don't want them seeing that crap.
I gave up listening to the radio because of too much talk and adds. I have an mp3/CD player in my car. Mostly I listen to soundtracks (like Firefly, LOTR etc.) Occasionally I buy something current like Chris Daughtry.
Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
My main dislike is "artists" that don't actually sing. "Singing" means using one's voice as an instrument, acheiving different vocal effects through tone, modulation, pace (yes, rap qualifies). There are too many "singers" these days that just yell in time (sometimes) to the music.


I think there are too many artists today who look pretty but have little actual singing talent. Video really did kill the radio star.

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Sunday, March 20, 2022 10:37 AM

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It's been dying for almost 100 years now


Elvis was the Start maybe while Pop and Punk and Rap was the trash, Rap isn't even music.


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Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:23 PM

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This thread is from a few months before my time here.

For some years now, I've heard many of all ages lament at the preponderance of Ghetto, as bad as it gets.
Even the Super Bowl decided to go Ghetto this year.

No, rap is not music. Those are mutually exclusive terms.

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Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This thread is from a few months before my time here.

For some years now, I've heard many of all ages lament at the preponderance of Ghetto, as bad as it gets.
Even the Super Bowl decided to go Ghetto this year.

No, rap is not music. Those are mutually exclusive terms.

Lately Adele has been doing exclusive concerts on TV, filling whole nights on like Sundays. Maybe she wants to show off her svelte figure.
But with the relative dearth of music available lately, even her decade old tunes are a welcome respite from the noise. I'm not sure if these would have been quite so comparably spectacular a half decade or more ago.

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Monday, March 21, 2022 12:14 AM

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That's not true. Rap IS music.

It's not music that you care for, and just like any genre there is a LOT of objectively bad rap music.

If you want to find good Rap, you need to look at independent labels. All the big labels shovel out is awful messages of drugs, murder, men abusing women and women controlling men with sex.

It's not all like that.




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