If you could change one thing in Firefly... by Wulfhawk

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If you could change one thing in Firefly...

POSTED BY: WULFHAWK
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Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:41 PM

Ok, we can't change that Firefly was rudely, evilly, ignorantly cancelled, but if you could have changed one thing about the Firefly-that-was, what would that be? A plot point? character point? something in the technology?

If I coulda changed sumthin, it woulda been maps. Course charts. Papers all over the bridge, pencils rolling about, flying while trying to refold a map. The potential for humor alone boggles, much less the fan implications of having a map of the 'verse.

Take my love
Take my land

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Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:04 PM

INMYBUNK

Um...

I always thought the "Two by two.. hands of blue" thing was kinda lame. Why blue gloves? And Telepaths wearing gloves.. too much like Babylon 5 for me.

I'd have made it "Two by two.. EYES of blue." As if something in the Alliance's genetic/ scientific tampering ALSO activated the recessive gene of BLUE EYES... think about the CREEPY contact lenses the actors could have wore.. PALE blue eyes... scary!

"I'll be in my bunk..."

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Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:42 PM

NOOCYTE

Two highly shiny ideas there, Browncoats (though I think the 'flimsy' display technology would eliminate the need for folded maps and pencils).

Me, I'm gonna go out on an uber-geeky limb here (and I don't think I'm alone in this) and say that I'd do a hard tweak on the agreement between the interior and exterior of Serenity (engine room's too high, front corridor's too short, yadda-yadda. Several whole threads on that score), as well as re-do some scale shots (like that otherwise-LOVELY shot at the end of OiS, where Mal and River are WAAAY to big with respect to the ship).

And maybe I'd change the 'synthy' sound for the laser in HoG (better an angry hiss and crackle of super-heated air), but that's almost too small a nit to pick.

Oh, and I'd change the entire corporate staff at fox (

)

Keep flyin'

Department of Redundancy Department

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Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:04 PM

SWITCHY

I've got to agree on the "two by two, hands of blue" thing. Just a little corny. That said, we didn't find out enough about them for me to really mind. I also happen to think a little corn goes a long way. Especially on a show with this healthy a sense of humour and great writing in general. I also think the show came back a bit too often to the "crazy" River show. We didn't need an update every week. Probably necessary from the point of view of keeping the episodes flexible in terms of airing order but in a perfect world it would have been nice to just show us some of her developement without always talking about it.

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:57 AM

JLP

More nekkidness.

jp

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:04 AM

CULTTVGIRL

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Originally posted by jlp:
More nekkidness.

I like the way you think!

Book: “A duel?”
Wash: “With swords?”
Simon: “The Captain's a good fighter, he must know how to handle a sword?”
Zoe: “I think he knows which end to hold.”

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:37 AM

SPARRONI

I suppose the one thing I'd change is really nitpicky as well. The Alliance hat-ranking system. All the Alliance officers wore a different style hat that I assume signified their rank. Every gorram hat that they came up with was just plain goofy. I think it's the one of the only times that they dropped the ball ever so slightly in terms of design.

That and Book should have had more lines per episode. And more nekkidness. That's a good idea too.

"Forgive my rudeness. I cannot abide useless people."

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:49 AM

JAVIDRHO

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Originally posted by SPARRONI:
That and Book should have had more lines per episode. And more nekkidness. That's a good idea too.

Do you really want to see Book neked? Really? No offence to Ron Glass, but really?

We already had Mal walking around showing his buns off in Trash, while Inara only showed her back once in Serenity. Call that fair? Let's just get everyone into the shower, men and women together, like in Starship Troopers. Now, that would bring the non-believers in to see the Firefly movie...

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SIMON: What happens if they board us?
ZOE: If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing
and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order.

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:59 AM

KOFFEE

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Originally posted by JavidRho:

We already had Mal walking around showing his buns off in Trash, while Inara only showed her back once in Serenity. Call that fair?

You wanna talk about fair? After how many years of seeing womens breasts in movie after movie, with no man backsides (or frontsides for that matter

) in site....I'd say we women are still owed quite a bit of male nakedness.

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:24 AM

JAVIDRHO

Quote:
Originally posted by Koffee:
Quote:
Originally posted by JavidRho:

We already had Mal walking around showing his buns off in Trash, while Inara only showed her back once in Serenity. Call that fair?

You wanna talk about fair? After how many years of seeing womens breasts in movie after movie, with no man backsides (or frontsides for that matter ) in site....I'd say we women are still owed quite a bit of male nakedness.

So, we agree that my idea of the group shower scene, involving all cast members, would make everyone happy, right? At least we can all have our interests "peaked"

at the same time. Also, since there are more men-folk then women-folk on Serenity, you still come out ahead.

The only question is; what legitimate plot point would require all of the crew and passengers to jump into a shower together? Since we have not seen a shower on Serenity, maybe they don't have them. So, they find a nice little lake on one of the warmer back worlds and they all decide to take a bath. -- Okay, I'm spending far too much time on this whole neked subject – what would my dear wife think of all this?

Someone else take over. (I'll be in my bunk)

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SIMON: What happens if they board us?
ZOE: If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing
and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order.

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:27 AM

REXRAYGUN

Interesting thread. I wouldnt' change anything on the show, though I thnk the blue eyes thing is wild, with overtones of psychology class films running through my head. I would love it if they would have gotten licensing for action figures, perhaps by Sideshow Toys, who do awesome likeness sculpting.

Just my dos pesos,

Rex!

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:35 AM

GAMBIT3

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You wanna talk about fair? After how many years of seeing womens breasts in movie after movie, with no man backsides (or frontsides for that matter ) in site....I'd say we women are still owed quite a bit of male nakedness.

Hmm... so I guess that Harvey Keitel scene in "The Piano" didn't do it for you, huh?

That being said... I'd vote for more Book and more Nekkidness. Though not necessarily Book'd nekkidness....

Maybe Kaylee's...

Prefferably Kaylee's....

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Kaylee, will you marry me?

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:05 AM

CAPTBAGGYTROUSERS

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Originally posted by RexRaygun:
I would love it if they would have gotten licensing for action figures, perhaps by Sideshow Toys, who do awesome likeness sculpting.

*ahem*

I'm a sculptor who, okay, didn't get a job with Sideshow (but got the fastest, nicest rejection email ever in mere seconds, leading me to believe the entire place is controlled by Robots. Wonderful, beautiful Robots whom make great toys including a George Lazenby James Bond. Bless those 'Bots.)

Anyway, figures I can't do because of manufacturing issues, but I keep thinking of mini-busts. Of whom though? "All of them!" The Browncoats chorus. I know, I know... Can't do commit the time, I'm afraid. I was thinking of doing Serenity herself, but I need much much more reference than good ol' TSR80's DVDs, great though they are. Anyway, I want Firefly stuff too.

As for the show... I wish they'd had a little more money for things like costumes which, while usually very clever and well-done, were a little clunky on the Alliance. They looked like retrofitted suit jackets to me. Had the show gone on I bet budgets for these things would have been a little more generous.

Can't wait for the movie.

History repeats the old conceits

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:10 PM

DRAKON

"The only question is; what legitimate plot point would require all of the crew and passengers to jump into a shower together?"

Chemical, biological or nuclear contamination. Which might also involve the application of oat meal (Its used to pull contaimination off the skin without scrubbing it into the pores)

In Objects in Space, Book comes out of a small room forward of the passenger dorm area, with towel over his shoulders, in a bathrobe, with his toiletries bag. Just before Early beats the snot out of him.

Which got me to thinking on a tangent. Dobson beast the snot out of Early, rather viciously in the pilot Serenity. And Early, who had apparently done his homework on the crew before entering the ship, mentions that Book is no Sheppard. Hmmmm..

"My kind of stupid"

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Friday, July 18, 2003 12:37 PM

JLP

OK,

The official nekkidness list.

Kaylee--all nekkid, all the time

Inara--seductively nekkid, preferably in silky things

River--eew. That is like seeing your kid sister nekkid.

Mal--nekkid as he wants to be. He already showed his buns. make it a regular joke. Captain tightpants becomes captain no-pants. take them off at the slightest pretext--just make sure he always does it with mal-like dignity.

Wash--if you like funny nekkid, then, ok. O/W, maybe not

Jayne--this seems obvious--most people think he should constantly be nekkid. why buy jayne clothes? a waste of good firefly money. but jayne probably shouldn't take it all off. keep him just partly nekkid to make the ladies happy but keep them in suspense. Make them think he is about to be totally nekkid, and then have nekkid mal walk in the way of nekkid jayne buns. They won't know whether to be happy or sad.

simon--sort of like seeing your stuffy but remarkably fit older brother nekkid. Do you really want to? Yes, if you are kaylee. The rest of us? Hmm. Better ask the ladies.

Book--Yes to nekkidness. But only in the privacy of his own bunk where we are never invited. There, he may have nekkid interprative dance parties, nekkid bible reading, nekkid hair doing parties. just don't invite us.

JLP

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Friday, July 18, 2003 1:44 PM

MELEAUX

Ok here is why you see naked women a lot more than naked men. Naked men look funny. No offene guys but it is true. With the exception of brief glimpses of backsides its just eeewww.
I might make an exception for Jayne.

She understands, she doesn't comprehend

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Friday, July 18, 2003 2:04 PM

KAYTHRYN

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Posted by JLP:
simon--sort of like seeing your stuffy but remarkably fit older brother nekkid. Do you really want to? Yes, if you are kaylee. The rest of us? Hmm. Better ask the ladies.

You can put my vote down as a “hell yes”.

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Friday, July 18, 2003 2:16 PM

JOHNNYREB

I thought the reason that more woman than men appear "nekked" in movies is psychological. Allow me to explain. Men are typically aroused by visual stimuli, while women are aroused by...sweet nothings, romance? Dunno. If I did I would probably be getting more.

Joking aside, Let's look at the track record. Movies made by women for women center on romance and relationships. Movies made by men for men center on nudity. If women were aroused by the same visual stimuli as men, then wouldn't all movies be all naked all the time?

That's not to say that women can't appreciate a buff bod. It's just that sex, for women, seems to be part of a larger relationship experience, while sex, for men, is an ends to the means.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way I understand it. If I'm wrong, someone please set me straight. Ah needs ta get some! LOL! I kill me.

Viva Firefly!

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Friday, July 18, 2003 2:32 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Hey, JLP you forgot Zoe. I'd like to see Zoe nekked, or at least in a slinky dress.

Been thinking about this thread as I read Killer Angels. I would make the Alliance/Browncoat issue more complex. I tend to get the feeling that the Alliance is shown as an ever present evil. I wouldn't mind to see that there are some good people in the Alliance. The easiest would be an officer who remebers fighting Mal and Zoe or at least their unit, and respects them. One who might help the crew out or at least overlook some offense, because of his/her sense of honor. (Maybe Dead or Alive was written with some of this in mind)

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Friday, July 18, 2003 3:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Mal, Simon, Wash, Jayne- nekid. Definitely.

Since that's not about to happen!!!!.....

I'd change the bad guys. Been told that if you want to make convincing good guys you have to create really convincing bad guys. If ever anyone saw "Waterworld" that was a prime example of bad guys who were just too stupid to survive.

Some of FF bad guys seem to be too incompetent or mono-dimensional to be really interesting. Look at Niska: he loves torture too much to be a successful businessman. You can't run an empire COMPLETELY through intimidation. By way of opposite example, look at Bill Gates- he's richer than Saddam ever was and never yanked out anyone's teeth. Badger either has an entire underworld completely terrorized (but doesn't seem smart enough to pull it off) or he has to be SOMEWHAT reliable. You can't keep stabbing people in the back w/out eventually losing contacts. Blue-hands are too catoonish. Early was a buffoon. I'd try to make these characters more robust.

Where FF does a good job is showing how people just doing their jobs and living their lives can be evil- Alliance officers and the Tams. Not innately evil, just blind or scared or even true believers. The Reavers are a good touch: too crazy to be fully explained.

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Friday, July 18, 2003 3:51 PM

JLP

Ah, how could I forget the lovely Zoe. Yes. Nekkid Nekkid Nekkid Zoe. :-). Lovely.

But on to more serious topics. I disagree that the blue hands were too cartoonish. We saw them, what, 3 or 4 times? Did we have a chance to develop them? No. Do we trust Joss? Yes. So I would say more blue hands, not less, but always carefully timed to slowly increase our understanding of what the gloves mean, who gets to wear them, and why.

Just my little opinion.

JLP

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Friday, July 18, 2003 4:45 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

I understand why you say some of the bad guys are too monodimensional, but I disagree. I think(and maybe this defeats my previous post) that monodimesionality of certain characters is due to the fact that the show is only an hour long. For instance, the only important aspects of Niska are his power and his sadistic tendencies. That's all that's necessary to advance the plot. We don't need to know the details of how he runs his business.

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Friday, July 18, 2003 6:02 PM

CAPTBAGGYTROUSERS

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Originally posted by Veteran:
I would make the Alliance/Browncoat issue more complex. I tend to get the feeling that the Alliance is shown as an ever present evil. I wouldn't mind to see that there are some good people in the Alliance.

Bear in mind that in OOG Inara mentions that she supported Unification, and that until River's abduction, Simon probably had no problems with the Alliance either. Inara's comment in particular is interesting, because it suggests that for some Unification was welcome even if it brought them no particular personal benefit (that is, as a well-regarded Companion in the Core, Inara probably wouldn't have been affected had the Browncoats seceded.) To me, this suggests there are indeed good people on both sides, even if The Alliance itself is a totalitarian (or at least bureaucratic and oppresive) government.

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Friday, July 18, 2003 9:04 PM

DRAKON

"You can't run an empire COMPLETELY through intimidation."

Gotta argue with this here. Fear has been the foundation of more than one nation, even terror impused by lunatics. And Saddam, Stalin, Hitler, Kim Jong Il and his daddy all represent the lunatic torturing ass hats who were very successful for a long while.

Remember April 9th, the scene from Baghdad of Saddam's statue they pulled down? Before they pulled it down, there was this huge muscle bond guy with a big hammer, wailing away on the bottom of the pylon. And nothing, small chips. He was swinging and pounding with all his might, and that statue was not coming down.

Until someone brought a wreaker to yank it down.

For the bad guys to succeed, they need power that nobody else has, and enough followers tied to their power to keep the population in chains. The good guys have to sit back and let them get away with it, for them to succeed.

If the good guys do nothing, and the rest of the population just ain't got enough juice, it is amazing how much person power you can accumulate, how many people you can torture, rob, kill, rape, etc. etc. etc. As shown my recent history

"My kind of stupid"

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Friday, July 18, 2003 9:21 PM

LUPA

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I thought the reason that more woman than men appear "nekked" in movies is psychological. Allow me to explain. Men are typically aroused by visual stimuli, while women are aroused by...sweet nothings, romance? Dunno. If I did I would probably be getting more.

Scientifically speaking, *ahem,* women are usually only really aroused by physical stimuli. We have to settle for the sappy romcoms because there is so little chance of being felt up by Hugh Grant in the comfort of your own home.

That being said Simon should still be completely naked every episode. And Jayne too. For some reason, however, Mal and Wash just don't do it for me and you couldn't pay me to bare witness to Nekkid!Book.

One of the reasons I think women are nekkid in movies more often than men is men are often very uncomfortable looking at nekkid members of their own sex, while women, not so much. As a straight woman, I would not mind at all if any of the Firefly girls walked about in their birthday suits.

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Friday, July 18, 2003 11:51 PM

TALONPEST

I think thing at the top of my list would be a more defined area of space we're working with. They never cleared up whether it was one solar system or multiple. It really has to be multiple systems, but I'd have liked to have that settled once and for all.

I personally am more than happy with the Inara nudity we've seen. No need to turn it into a flesh circus... one of my biggest problems with the Star Trek of recent years is the bimbos strutting around in catsuits all day (hell, Inara's a high-priced hooker, and she's got more dignity than Chief T&A Officer 7 of 9). I like to generally keep my porn and my scifi seperate.

As for why you don't see a lot of male nudity in movies, I think it's because the auidance actually likes to hear what's going on in the film. I went to see Pirates of the Caribbean last week, and every time Johnny Depp or Orlando Bloom did anything, and I mean ANYTHING (example: lying passed out in a gutter with a bunch of chickens) all the women in the audience squealed like stuck pigs. I have NEVER seen guys react to some hot chick in a movie like that. And these guys were fully clothed. I can't imagine how bad it would have been if one or both had taken their shirts off, much less gotten entirely nekkid.

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Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I'm gonna beat this dead horse a little more, then I'll stop- I promise!

Interesting point, which I did think about before I wrote my comment. The flip side of the coin (looking at dictatorships) is that they also operate through reward. So Hitler's right-hand men got free rein to practice their ideologies and the populace got the promise of stability, the North Korean Army gets fed, the Baathists and Communist Party faithful got the good-paying jobs, white society got their slaves, and gangs get their drug money.

My observation of human nature is that people work their best through reward, but that punishment and terror teaches avoidance and produces sloppy, inefficient work. So you need overseers and informers and henchmen to keep things running, and the more you need the less efficient your organization is going to be.

I wouldn't have changed what Niska DID, I would have changed his surroundings. His base of operations was very stark and military-looking and full of guards running around. It says; here is a man who through a group of dedicated (but not very bright) hired guns runs and entire network entirely through force.

It would have given a different impression, and I think an even more insidious one, if his base of operations looked very business-like with secretaries and junior partners just falling over themselves trying to do his bidding. THIS person knows how to reward with one hand and take with two. He brings out the evil in others! It would have made the torture scene more startling and harder to explain.

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Saturday, July 19, 2003 11:20 AM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

"But on to more serious topics. I disagree that the blue hands were too cartoonish. We saw them, what, 3 or 4 times? Did we have a chance to develop them? No. Do we trust Joss? Yes. So I would say more blue hands, not less, but always carefully timed to slowly increase our understanding of what the gloves mean, who gets to wear them, and why. "

Sounds on target to me.

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Saturday, July 19, 2003 3:39 PM

SHEPHERDOFHERMAS

Being around so many medical folk during the week wearing blue gloves from time to time, I find the blue gloved men extremely eerie. If it were up to me I might have designed them to remind people of clones (but not quite) with all of them having white hair (not gray) and blue eyes, which upon closer inspection, would turn out to be Blue Sun contact lenses that would sparkle like phosphorescent algae dying in a red tide.

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Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:01 PM

DRAKON

I agree with you that people work best through reward, rather than terror. Which is why the regimes of Saddam, Stalin, Hitler et.al. ultimately all fall.

Nice idea about Niska, but it depends on the character of the bad guy. Niska's headquarters was an orbiting space station, possibly a moveable one, (equivalent to a large spacecraft) We don't know if it had any weapons on it or not, or just how militarily capable it was. Space stations make for one hellacious weapons platforms, especially for planetary bombardment.

Perhaps he did not feel the need to disquise his activities, play the role of a "honest businessman" I don't know. We really never got a chance to really see enough of Niska's operation.

But I like your idea.

"my kind of stupid"

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Sunday, July 20, 2003 10:34 AM

RIV

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Originally posted by jlp:

Book--Yes to nekkidness. But only in the privacy of his own bunk where we are never invited. There, he may have nekkid interprative dance parties, nekkid bible reading, nekkid hair doing parties. just don't invite us.

JLP

LOL.

That was just so funny to me.

I think I'd have them explore the whole blue hands/blue sun connection a bit more. And maybe give some of the characters more time on screen.

I would have loved an ep. where they're just in the ship or hanging on a planet, no cargo or anything, boring, maybe, but great for character development.

Something's going down tonight! Something with the man!

Two by two. Hand of blue.

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Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:10 PM

SUCCATASH

I wish they had an ep about Badger betraying Saffron and forcing her to fight Inara to the death and Inara must do it or the Serenity crew will die. Not like Shindig. Guest appearance by Jubil Early, great scenes between him and the crew of Serenity held hostage in an abby. And then Saffron tricks Badger and River shoots the gun out of Early's hand and Book kicks surprising ass and they fly away just before Alliance patrols can ID them.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:44 AM

KOFFEE

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Originally posted by Gambit3:
Hmm... so I guess that Harvey Keitel scene in "The Piano" didn't do it for you, huh?

Actually, I am thanking my lucky stars that I have never seen that movie.....EW!

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:51 AM

STILLSHINY

I just watch it nekkid!!!

No, not really, I just had to jump into that thread somehow.

One thing I would change is I would like a greater understanding of what the Alliance did that was so bad. Right now the bad stuff they do is chase Serenity. "It's getting awfully crowded in my sky", But we really don't get the idea of how the War started. I guess the unaired pilot explains it some, though I felt the intro was way to "Lucas" I like the intro with Mal best. That's what I would change, I'd wanna know more about the Alliance. May be the first leaders of the Browncoats were style conscious officers who refused to wear Geeky grey uniforms & big hats....................I'm kidding

Mal: “See how I'm not punching him? I think I've grown!”

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:10 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

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I wish they had an ep about Badger betraying Saffron and forcing her to fight Inara to the death and Inara must do it or the Serenity crew will die. Not like Shindig. Guest appearance by Jubil Early, great scenes between him and the crew of Serenity held hostage in an abby. And then Saffron tricks Badger and River shoots the gun out of Early's hand and Book kicks surprising ass and they fly away just before Alliance patrols can ID them.

You may be on to something.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:30 PM

SUCCATASH

Hey, thanks. It reminds of the classic fight between Kirk and Spock, also recreated by Jim Carry in the Cable Guy.

One problem with my idea is that Jubil Early would just tell the Alliance their identities. And then I realized that Jubil found them in OiS and so the Alliance must already have their identies. Hmmm.

Maybe Early gives up on River because he's scared of her and then Saffron convinces him to marry her and they team up as partners in crime.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:55 PM

MELEAUX

I kinda wonder if the blue hands ARE gloves.
I suppose so.
The one thing I definetly would change is the scene in Serenity when Mal tells Simon that Kaylee is dead and then there's the shot of the rest of the crew laughing so hard. I mean first of all it wasn't THAT funny and secondly I just don't think Zoe or epeacially Wash would be so mean.

She understands, she doesn't comprehend

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:43 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

You know, you bring up an interesting point. Is the Alliance looking for just River or the whole crew. I imagine that the Alliance is just looking for River and her brother. Especially after Bushwacked where the Alliance thorughly searched the ship for the two futgitive and didn't find them. The blue hands people are looking for everybody whose had contact with River (for some reason anyone whose even spoken with her must be eradicated). An interesting thing aboputg Early was that he was only after River, he didn't care about Simon. Maybe that was because his vessel was too small for more than two or maybe he has some wierd sense of honor, like a darker version of Mal. Any way I think you have a good idea for atleast a fanfic.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:27 PM

TALONPEST

The Alliance doesn't know that it's Serenity they're after. Jubal Early must have tracked River and Simon to Serenity on his own, and for all we know he died at the end of Objects in Space. Even if he survived, he wouldn't tell the Alliance that River and Simon were there, because he'd want the reward for himself.

The Blue Man Group doesn't know River's on Serenity, since the only time they've come close was in Ariel, and they never even saw anyone from Serenity. One assumes that they wouldn't even find Jayne's name attached to the tip that River was in the area, since the Alliance officer who double crossed him obviously wanted the reward for himself, so he wouldn't have reported Jayne's involvement.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:33 PM

SUCCATASH

Didn't Early say something to Simon like, "The plan isn't to kill you...The warrant only calls for River" I can't remember, need to watch OiS again.

It might be possible that Early is not loyal to the Alliance, he's just out for money like Mal and Saffron. I actually can see Saffron and Early getting hitched, it would be funny.

I read other posts speculating about Early (and Book for that matter)of going through the same kind of testing that River did. The Alliance, making a human weapon. I like that idea too.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:02 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

You're right he does mention a warrant for River only.

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I actually can see Saffron and Early getting hitched, it would be funny.

That might be a stretch.

What happened to that Who's Who post. I just htought of two good ones. How about Richard Dawson as Badger's Da and Kevin Klein as Wash(if you had to replace Wash).

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