Road Rage by ChrisMoorhead

Road Rage? Hell yes!
When he started making faces at you in the mirror, did you feel momentarily homicidal?
He thought you was going to gut him like a pig. Did you really scrap those words into his car? You are the gutys one.

River

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:15 PM

SIGMANUNKI

The real tragedy here is that you think you're cool because you did this

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"We don't fear the reaper"

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:23 PM

You have the right to kill me... you have the right to do that, but you have no right to judge me...

When did I say I thought I was cool for it? I'm happy that I did it, but being as I graduated from High School several years ago I'm a little bit beyond "cool" and "lame". There are actions, and perceptions of those actions.

Psychotic, righteouse, unjust, doesn't really matter how you perceive it. I was angry, and I vented.

I once watched a snail crawl across the edge of a strait razor. That is my dream. That is my nightmare. Crawling, along the edge of a strait... razor... and surviving.

And yes, River, he'll forever have a reminder of why it's important to have the ability to defend your dumbass actions on public roadways etched into the back of his vehicle. Homicidal? No, but deffinately angry. Angry that he had done this to me, and that he refused to step up when I called his bluff.

But ultimately, I'm glad this happened. It's a growing experience.

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
You have the right to kill me... you have the right to do that, but you have no right to judge me...

When did I say I thought I was cool for it? I'm happy that I did it, but being as I graduated from High School several years ago I'm a little bit beyond "cool" and "lame". There are actions, and perceptions of those actions.

Psychotic, righteouse, unjust, doesn't really matter how you perceive it. I was angry, and I vented.

I once watched a snail crawl across the edge of a strait razor. That is my dream. That is my nightmare. Crawling, along the edge of a strait... razor... and surviving.

And yes, River, he'll forever have a reminder of why it's important to have the ability to defend your dumbass actions on public roadways etched into the back of his vehicle. Homicidal? No, but deffinately angry. Angry that he had done this to me, and that he refused to step up when I called his bluff.

But ultimately, I'm glad this happened. It's a growing experience.

Well, just make sure you don't mess with the wrong one. Some clown just out of rehab might screw with you on the road, and you'll stop and get out of your car for some car scratching action, and he'll pull out his Desert Eagle and blow your ass away, and there you are the next day...a black and white photo of you on the 2nd page of your hometown newspaper.

You've got to be careful.

River

P.S. Don't let the creepoids get your goat on the road. If I were given a dollar for every homicidal thought I had for some creep who cut me off or did some stupid crap on the road, I would be rich enough to rule this here world.

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:54 PM

SIGMANUNKI

EDIT: What country do you live in that people have the right to kill you? Last I checked, in a civilized nations, that was rather illegal.

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but being as I graduated from High School several years ago

Then you should be a bit beyond such things, now shouldn't you.

It's people like you that make the world as the horrid place that it is.

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"We don't fear the reaper"

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:29 PM

Well, murder is against the law here in the United States, but there seems to be thousands of people every year that forget this little detail, and they go about killing and maiming for all sorts of reasons.

Humans have been killing each other since the Dawn of man...I suspect it’s going to be quite some time before we get to the point where we aren’t killing each other over stupid crap. Also, I believe that killing is part of human nature....you take that away, and you take away the human. There never will be a time on this planet that the lion lays with the sheep. It’s a nice thought, but it isn’t reality.

The problem with people in a so-called civilized society is that they start to take on utopian thinking…this is a bad thing. Reality is tossed out the door, and governments begin to think that they can make better people. In that direction lays madness.

Sounds pretty bad I know, but that is the current reality. Having some stupid guy laughing at you in his car after cutting you off and mocking you in the scheme of things is rather small, but to some people, its the acids for killing....go figure, and welcome to the human race.

If I had a choice I rather that this planet and the people on it could all love each other, but that's not reality, so in the words of some famous guy of the past who's name I can't think of right now: "Praise the lord and pass the ammo." That's the mindset of the human race.

River

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 3:42 AM

You summed it up very nicely. If we’re going by man’s law, then killing is obviously illegal, whereas judgment is more than allowed, it is encouraged. But the hypocrisy behind man’s law makes it irrelevant. If a man kills out of passion, he’s a criminal, but if he kills for the government, he’s a hero. For the Lord’s sake, we train young men to drop fire on people, but we wont let them write fuck on their planes because it’s obscene.

It is by natural law that you have the right to kill me. But no other animal in nature judges it’s pray before it kills. Robert Heinlein observed that "An armed society is a polite society", but we here in the states live from day to day without the threat of punishment to keep us in line. We believe our Big Brother will keep us safe at every turn. It’s me that makes the world so horrid? I think it’s the person who cut me off, and instead of trying to make amends for his actions, taunted me as if he had accomplished some great work. It was him who abused the gray area of the Big Brother system, doing as much as possible without crossing the line, and being so proud of it.

High School was a proving ground. Where I went, they actually told us that if we were attacked, we were to lie down and cover up until security arrived. They said that if we fought back, we were just as responsible as the guilty party. Again, man’s law tries to encroach upon natural law. But my father explained it to me, he said that for my entire life I would be subject to laws and regulations, and that when the time came that one conflicted with my freedoms and natural rights, that I would have the make a decision. To take the unjust punishment, or to let my true rights be infringed to stay out of trouble. It was a reality check and one of my first steps out of childhood, to be told that I would many times in my life be punished for doing the right thing.

As for the Desert Eagle scenario... he’d only be doing me a favor.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:23 AM

MONKSDAD

let me get this straight you pulled a knife on someone because he cut you off and made faces at you ? then you scratched up his car. you feel good about this? first of all "man law" tells us right away were your mind is at (beer comercial).
your a pussy for pulling a knife on someone cant you handle your own without a weapon
Your an idiot for telling the story on FFF.net
I know you werent in vegas when you did this because you would of been turned into a bloody heap with no head if you did. (we give out conceled weapons permit with your drivers license at the dmv)well at least it seems that way.
grow up dude

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:25 AM

I think he pulled the knife out on the guy's car, not the guy.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:31 AM

MONKSDAD

in the eyes of the law that is pulling the knife on the guy. So if this happend to you would say stop threatning my car with that knife.

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:42 AM

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Angry that he had done this to me, and that he refused to step up when I called his bluff.

But ultimately, I'm glad this happened. It's a growing experience.

Holy crap. How exactly did you expect this guy to "step up" and what bluff were you calling?

I'd say someone is a real tool in this situation...and it wasn't the one in the car.

And really, you should go back to high school, or perhaps junior high, because that's where your mentality regarding this situation belongs. We all get angry over lame ass drivers, but you don't pull a weapon and taunt someone with it. You knew exactly what you were doing and what this guys reaction would be. You were threatening him and vandalizing his car.

But, for some reason, I doubt this really happened. I can't believe that the other people would sit around watching you do this and not call the cops on you. I would've had my cell out in a second and given them your description, your license plate and hoped like hell they found you.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:47 AM

SIGMANUNKI

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It is by natural law that you have the right to kill me.

Last I checked, we weren't in the jungle, living up in the trees, flinging feces at one another.

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But no other animal in nature judges it’s pray before it kills.

Yes they do, just not in the way that you're getting at eg. the lion has to judge who in a hurd is the easiest kill, otherwise it'd just be a big waste of energy, which would be a very bad thing for him.

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Robert Heinlein observed that "An armed society is a polite society",

You forgot a word in there ie forced. As in "An armed society is a forced polite society". It is also a society that is polite because of fear. This is not a nice society nor one that any civilized nation (beyond the 1700/1800's) would aim to be.

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but we here in the states live from day to day without the threat of punishment to keep us in line.

So, there isn't such thing as jail where you come from?

Quite frankly, I really think that you still have this highschool mentality. So, I'm not bothering with you anymore than letting you know about your logical inconsistencies above. God I hope you never reproduce.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 5:08 AM

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let me get this straight you pulled a knife on someone because he cut you off and made faces at you ? then you scratched up his car. you feel good about this? first of all "man law" tells us right away were your mind is at (beer comercial).
your a pussy for pulling a knife on someone cant you handle your own without a weapon
Your an idiot for telling the story on FFF.net

And I could say the same about you for resorting to name calling over the internet. I had the objective of scratching his car up. I gave him the opportunity to go hand to hand with me by calling him out at the stop light. He chose to make faces instead. Telling the story online? I’ve been taken in for intent to commit homicide before via a very long transcript saved and printed out on AIM. After I showed the detectives how easy it is to simulate it, not only did they let me go but they brought my accuser in for questioning on using fake evidence against me.

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I know you werent in vegas when you did this because you would of been turned into a bloody heap with no head if you did. (we give out conceled weapons permit with your drivers license at the dmv)well at least it seems that way.
grow up dude

And my, how tough you sound. “Round these parts here in Vegas, you’d be in for some real trouble!”. We’re all products of our environment. I knew where I was, I knew where the nearest police station was, and I knew the length of the stop light. You’re right, I wouldn’t have done it in Vegas, but since I was in a very tiny suburb, I took my chances. I’m no worse for the wear.

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Holy crap. How exactly did you expect this guy to "step up" and what bluff were you calling?

I'd say someone is a real tool in this situation...and it wasn't the one with the knife.

And really, you should go back to high school, or perhaps junior high, because that's where your mentality regarding this situation belongs. We all get angry over lame ass drivers, but you don't pull a weapon and taunt someone with it. You knew exactly what you were doing and what this guys reaction would be. You were threatening him and vandalizing his car.

I expected this guy to “step up” when I leaned out of my window and asked him if he had a problem. You can hurl all accusations of immaturity that you want at me. It’s not like I do this regularly to people who cut me off, and obviously you think that even once is too much, but you’re right, I knew exactly what I was doing and I’d do it again.

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But, for some reason, I doubt this really happened. I can't believe that the other people would sit around watching you do this and not call the cops on you. I would've had my cell out in a second and given them your description, your license plate and hoped like hell they found you.

And what evidence would they have had? A scratched car and a discarded butterfly knife on the side of the road are not sufficient evidence to convict me. But if you really don’t think that this happened, then why are you wasting your time?

Although obviously, I posted this subject on an open forum, I would appriciate it if all subsequent responses are to rejoice in the fact an asshole driver finally got his cumuffins, and will probably be much more careful on the roads from now on. But, if you really want to argue, I suppose I'm up for debating.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 5:20 AM

Don't worry, I don't plan on reproducing. But, since you're going to be all big and mature about it, I'll send a Parthian shot your way.

Lions judge the easiest prey? No, it is a matter of fact that they get as close as possible to a pack of animals, attack, and kill the closest one. If that fails, they lay chase, and the one that falls behind gets killed. There is no discernment of the weak animal, only the rooting out of it. But, the very fact you brought this debate so far away from the original point with an analogy about lions shows exactly how asinine you're being anyways.

Funny about the quote, because that's the only time I've ever heard the word "forced" put into it. Could it be that you're using "quot"ations around a phrase that you made up yourself? Regardless of how correct you may or may not be, which is the subject of this little exchange in the first place, maybe you should go back to high school as well and learn what quotations are used for.

Jail only covers punishment for crimes that can be proven and are of a specific nature. That leaves a vast majority of criminals who haven't been proven, and opportunities to do plenty of things that are only psuedo-illegal. Aggressive driving is an arrestable offense here in Maryland, but no cop saw him do it, and probably wouldn't have cared to enforce the law if he had. Further evidence? I just destroyed someone's property, and I'm not in jail, either. By that fact, doesn't jail time seem to be a moot punishment in many cases? And for those cases, what are we to do? Stand by an let it happen because there's no one with a badge around?

At least the other guy said he'd call the cops, even if it wouldn't have done any good.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 5:43 AM

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At least the other guy said he'd call the cops, even if it wouldn't have done any good.

Ever heard of camera phones? And eyewitnesses? Enough people say you were the one and you'd get caught.

I've been in a similiar situation before. I had a man follow me into a parking lot, park next to me all the while screaming obscenities. He got out of his car, came to my window and threatened me, telling me to get out of the car. Scared the crap outta me. All this because he didn't think I pulled over fast enough when an ambulance was coming from the other direction around a large blind curve. I pulled over, just not fast enough for him. This guy was leaps above you on the evolutionary scale.

There are appropriate and inappropriate outlets for anger. Screaming, cursing, flipping someone off? All fine. Pulling a knife, damaging personal property, and threatening someone are not. The fact is you KNEW you were wrong, you decided to do it anyway.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 6:25 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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What evidence would they have had? A scratched car and a discarded butterfly knife on the side of the road...

Anyone else hope some kid wasn't walking by at the time who witnessed this and picked up the discarded knife? At least the knife would belong to a more responsible owner than it's previous one.

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 8:20 AM

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“You knew exactly what you were doing and what this guys reaction would be. You were threatening him and vandalizing his car.”

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“…but you’re right, I knew exactly what I was doing and I’d do it again.”

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“The fact is you KNEW you were wrong, you decided to do it anyway.”

If you're going to point out that this guy that followed you was above me on the evolutionary scale, then I can only assume that you believe that you were above him, and by that very fact, above me as well. Apparently, being above me on an evolutionary scale goes hand in hand with being both ignorant to other's responses and redundantly visiting dead issues. The fact is, I already admitted I knew what I was doing.

Now, it being "right" or "wrong" is the topic of debate. Were you never properly taught how to hold a conversation of conflicting interest without resorting to attacks on the person themselves? I guess that must be part of being higher up on the evolutionary scale, too.

Is it lonely atop that high horse on which you sit? Apparently not, since so many people seem to be up there with you. Now, I will reiterate, since no one else seems to be catching on. I'll even number my points for you, so that you can better understand them.

1) You have no right to judge me. This was a conflict of interests between two people. You were not involved.

2) Yes, I started a thread on an open forum for discussion about it. So I can't "fault" any of you for voicing your opinions. That being said, if you absolutely have to voice disagreement on the matter, you should be able to do it without attacking me personally.

3) Anyone who does attack me personally is obviously looking to start something themselves.

3-A) Does that not go against the entire spirit of the point you're trying to get across? To avoid senseless acts of conflict? If you resort to personal attacks, all the topic is going to be is senseless mudslinging, so in the end wont it have been as equally worthless?

3-B) If I at least admit to it being senseless but do it anyways, that could make me a number of things. But by admonishing me for my senseless conflict, and starting one of your own, does that not make you to some effect a hypocrite?

Maybe you're not physically following me, but thus far haven't you spent more time, RugBug, to continually harass me than the guy that followed you took to harass you? Again, I know it's a public forum, but I've already asked kindly that if you don't like what I've done to just not respond. Thus, I must assume that any subsequent disagreements are in direct opposition to my plea, so isn't that some sort of harassment?

And finally my 4th NEW point: I'm not in jail. I'll bet any one of you a week, two weeks, or a month from now, I still wont be in jail. If you're all bringing up what MIGHT have been the situation to show me where I faulted, then shouldn't reality be the ultimate deciding factor? If you say yes, reality should be the deciding factor, then let's wait and see. If no, reality should not be the deciding factor, then you've just admitted that your point is not steeped in reality. If it's not steeped in reality, it's not credible or applicable. By that fact, maybe it's better to just abandon the "what could have happened" point entirely.

But hell, if I do end up in jail, I'll buy each one of you a Tootsie Roll.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 9:11 AM

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If you're going to point out that this guy that followed you was above me on the evolutionary scale, then I can only assume that you believe that you were above him, and by that very fact, above me as well.

Yes, I do feel above you...regarding this matter. I'm not ashamed to admit that. I get angry, ocassionally inappropriately angry, but I've never threatened someone with a weapon, nor have I damaged someone's personal property.

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1) You have no right to judge me.

I have every right to judge you. I can sit here and judge every single poster on this forum. I can judge every single person in this world. Being the lowly schmo that I am, my judgement means naught in this world. Doesn't mean I have no right to do it.

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2) Yes, I started a thread on an open forum for discussion about it. So I can't "fault" any of you for voicing your opinions. That being said, if you absolutely have to voice disagreement on the matter, you should be able to do it without attacking me personally.

Yep, I attacked you personally. I called you a tool and said you were lower on the evolutionary scale than some others in this world. You've attacked my intelligence a few times, so I'd say we're even.

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3) Anyone who does attack me personally is obviously looking to start something themselves.

3-A) Does that not go against the entire spirit of the point you're trying to get across? To avoid senseless acts of conflict?

I'm not trying to avoid senseless acts of conflict. As a matter of fact, some conflict can be fun and educational. Brings color to the cheeks. Criminal acts and thuggery, That's what I'm calling out.

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Maybe you're not physically following me, but thus far haven't you spent more time, RugBug, to continually harass me than the guy that followed you took to harass you? Again, I know it's a public forum, but I've already asked kindly that if you don't like what I've done to just not respond. Thus, I must assume that any subsequent disagreements are in direct opposition to my plea, so isn't that some sort of harassment?

Why do people online always bring up harassment when they post some shocking stuff and then get called out on it? If this was a thread about, heck, Firefly and we were flash posting each other, would that be harassment? Just because I don't agree with you, nor do those others up here with me on my high horse, doesn't mean I am harassing you. Reread your comments about this being a public forum. You can post what you want. I can post what I want.

Also, physically threatening me and reading posts on an anonymous online forum are so dissimilar a comparison is ridiculous. I can ignore you online, if I choose. Someone physically standing there yelling at me, enough that others got involved, is not something I can ignore.

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If you're all bringing up what MIGHT have been the situation to show me where I faulted, then shouldn't reality be the ultimate deciding factor? If you say yes, reality should be the deciding factor, then let's wait and see. If no, reality should not be the deciding factor, then you've just admitted that your point is not steeped in reality. If it's not steeped in reality, it's not credible or applicable. By that fact, maybe it's better to just abandon the "what could have happened" point entirely.

If this is your logic, I can see how you've decided that your actions are not only justified but a-okay. Just because you don't get caught, doesn't mean something is right. Reality very often has nothing to do with morality and ethics. The reality of this matter is that what you did was criminal. Just because you may not face any consequences of those actions doesn't make them any less criminal.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 9:41 AM

You've a unique way of ignoring and acknowledging what I've said at the same time. For example, I acknowledge that it's an open forum, but ask you not to hurl insults at me, and again you play your reiteration game.

And no, you've no right to judge me. That doesn't mean that you can't; but you've no right to, because you're just as much a piece of scum as me. To think anything else only un-substantiates all of your opinions, because you're making them from an assumed authority of being "better". Note: Assumed Authority. None was given to you, and you have none.

All of my attacks at you have been in response to your first attacks on me. Scroll up. Notice that no where before your first message where you attempted to insult me (nice how you changed “wasn’t the one with the knife” to “wasn’t the one in the car”) and tell me that I belonged in high school did I ever mention your name. I didn’t even know who you were, but your introduction to me was not as an intelligent person with a differing opinion, but a mudslinger who first called me a tool then said that I belong in high school.

I don’t assume that righteousness is in whether or not you get caught, rather it was you:

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Ever heard of camera phones? And eyewitnesses? Enough people say you were the one and you'd get caught.

...who brought it up as a point in the first place. I was merely responding to what you said… or did you forget why you said it? Is that why you’re so very redundant? Because you can’t remember what you said five minutes ago? My apologies, if you had told me you had Alzheimer’s, I wouldn’t have called you on it.

If you had any type of ability to discern issues from words, perhaps you would have caught that I was not comparing the actions of physically stalking and stalking online, only the intent. However, since you admit to NOT trying to avoid senseless acts of conflict, I can see that the physical part is indeed the only difference made in your mind. And why does the physical presence make so much of a difference? Is it because of the ability for damage to be inflicted in a personal encounter, and not online? In other words, you’re happy to spout off where people can’t get to you, but when it comes to physical confrontation you’ll hide behind words like “thuggery” and a guise of being more civilized? I might call you a coward, but since I don’t judge...

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 10:44 AM

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You've a unique way of ignoring and acknowledging what I've said at the same time. For example, I acknowledge that it's an open forum, but ask you not to hurl insults at me, and again you play your reiteration game.

You acknowledge that it is an open forum, but you don't acknowledge what that actually means. What it means is you can request all you want and I can choose to follow your request or not. You have no "authority" in the matter, yet you think I should oblige you. And really, if you re-read my last post, you will see that I didn't insult you at all. I merely responded without the personal attacks. I acknowledged my previous ones and yes, I did change the tool comment. I went back and read it and realized I was implying that the guy in the car was the tool. That wasn't what I meant, so I fixed it. He was an asshat for cutting you off, but....

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And no, you've no right to judge me. That doesn't mean that you can't; but you've no right to, because you're just as much a piece of scum as me. To think anything else only un-substantiates all of your opinions, because you're making them from an assumed authority of being "better". Note: Assumed Authority. None was given to you, and you have none.

Oh please. I stated that my judgement means naught. In other words, that it holds no authority. Did ya miss that part? I don't need "the right" to judge you. I can do it with or without "right." The only authority my judgement can have is what other people give it...and those are probably people who agree with me. There is no consequence for my judgement...only that I think you're wrong.

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All of my attacks at you have been in response to your first attacks on me. Scroll up. Notice that no where before your first message where you attempted to insult me (nice how you changed “wasn’t the one with the knife” to “wasn’t the one in the car”) and tell me that I belonged in high school did I ever mention your name. I didn’t even know who you were, but your introduction to me was not as an intelligent person with a differing opinion, but a mudslinger who first called me a tool then said that I belong in high school.

So my personal attacks mean it's okay to do the same back? My first post was based on a number of posts, your's and a few others. I had more info to go on in my first than you did. Should I have called you a tool, said you belonged in Jr. High (just to get it right) and later, that you were lower on the evolutionary scale? Nope. But I did.

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I don’t assume that righteousness is in whether or not you get caught, rather it was you:

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Ever heard of camera phones? And eyewitnesses? Enough people say you were the one and you'd get caught.

...who brought it up as a point in the first place. I was merely responding to what you said… or did you forget why you said it? Is that why you’re so very redundant? Because you can’t remember what you said five minutes ago? My apologies, if you had told me you had Alzheimer’s, I wouldn’t have called you on it.

Um, Righteousness? When did that get brought into the mix.... Oh, wait. By you. When you called your anger "Psychotic, righteouse [sic], unjust...."

I did bring up the point of whether getting caught makes something right or wrong because you wrote this: "If you're all bringing up what MIGHT have been the situation to show me where I faulted, then shouldn't reality be the ultimate deciding factor?"

You seemed to say that because the reality of the situation was that you faced no consequences that you did no wrong. I get that you were trying to make a point. But you used a circular argument that just doesn't fly.

And congratulations on more attacks. Do you feel better now?

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If you had any type of ability to discern issues from words, perhaps you would have caught that I was not comparing the actions of physically stalking and stalking online, only the intent.

Oh, more insults. And no, you can't even compare the intent. The intent in my situation, and even in your's, was to instill fear. How exactly am I trying to instill fear in you?

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However, since you admit to NOT trying to avoid senseless acts of conflict, I can see that the physical part is indeed the only difference made in your mind. And why does the physical presence make so much of a difference? Is it because of the ability for damage to be inflicted in a personal encounter, and not online? In other words, you’re happy to spout off where people can’t get to you, but when it comes to physical confrontation you’ll hide behind words like “thuggery” and a guise of being more civilized?

I admitted that SENSELESS (i.e. meaningless) acts of conflict need not be avoided. I'm not scared of conflict. However, physical confrontation accompanied by weapons is not senseless.

Were I face to face with you would I "spout off?" Hell no. You've proven to me by your actions that you have no problem with fighting, intimidation and other physical acts. Sadly, I'm not in the habit of using fighting or weapons to beat others down. But then again...maybe I would spout off. But only if a crowd was around so they could watch you "confront" a woman.

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I might call you a coward, but since I don’t judge...

Ah, who's on the high horse now? You don't judge? Yeah right.

So now is where I do my best to take the high road and no longer respond to you. But, that's one of my weaknesses. I do LOVE the last word.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 10:49 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER

I found temporary tatoos in my Cap'n Crunch this morning.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 10:55 AM

DEEPGIRL187

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I found temporary tatoos in my Cap'n Crunch this morning.

Dude, rock on. You almost never find freebies in cereal anymore.

Whoa. Good myth.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I found temporary tatoos in my Cap'n Crunch this morning.

Dude, rock on. You almost never find freebies in cereal anymore.

Heh...point taken. Rugbug will now chill out.

I think I should go buy some Crackerjacks. That's where all the freebies hide these days.

Note to self: This is a happy fun forum. This is a happy fun forum. This is a happy fun forum.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:04 AM

CHRISISALL

Bottom line: The other guy was a jerk, and he should be gorram happy you weren't a total maniac that meant to kill him, and followed thru with that intention.

And vica-versa.

Calm yourself and see what's important Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:11 AM

EMMARIGBY

Just wanted to let you know RagBug, that not only do I agree with everything you have said but also admire the eloquence and clarity with which you have stated your position. I'd much rather be on your team on any public debate. We might end up being beaten up but at least we would go down with style!

This is not the first time that ChrisMooreHead has sent a chill down my spine with his angry and violent attitudes. I'm very glad that I am unlikely to meet him in person.

Edit: Ooops, sorry, hadn't spotted that we'd moved on from the scary place. Hope I don't drag us back down there.
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Hisssssss!

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:17 AM

CHRISISALL

I got the Faith episodes from Angel season 1 today at Blockbuster....

Happy, positive Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:36 AM

TRISTAN

Shiny, Ghostrider! Tattoos! I think the last thing I got in my cereal was a submarine you had put baking soda in and it would submerge and come back up...mine just sank.

Holding until you get back, Captain.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:49 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER

Honestly, there were no tatoos and no Cap'n Crunch. I Just pity people with alot of misplaced anger. Usually there is an entire string of issues attatched to the primary problem. Hugs to our mighty BROWNCOATS who need one.
Oh yeah, kudos to TRISTAN for scoring the submarine. Don't fret, god didn't grace me with sea legs either.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 12:57 PM

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jimmyfallon/roadrage.html

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Ok, so, I just home from shopping at a military surplus store, and this asshole cuts me off when I'm trying to switch lanes. I give him the finger, and he starts making faces at me in his mirror.

Next stop light, I'm right behind him. So, since I know the light's a pretty long one, I get out with my butterfly knife. About this time, the asshole starts freaking out and locks his door, honking his horn trying to get people to make room. too many cars, so by the time the light's gree, I'm back in my car driving happily, and he's got the word "fucker" scrapped into his trunk.

Fucking A man... good times. I just needed to tell somebody, cause I'm giddy as a pig in shit right now.

ChrisMoorhead,

I saw the responses to this post coming from a mile off. Next time you decide to deal some road justice out to some thoughtless clown, who decided that there are no consequences for his actions, please oh please don't make a thread and share it with the people here. That's just asking for a finger wagging, which all these posts to you from other people have demonstrated. I seriously thought they were going to form a circle and sing “We Shall Over Come.”

Though I think you risked possible harm of yourself and maybe might have been arrested, I think you gave that creepoid something to think about. I doubt he's going to be so quick to antagonize someone else the way he did to you. Maybe the thought never occurred to him that the possibility of someone getting angry enough at his actions to actually stop his car, get out, and proceed to defile his vehicle with a blade.

I just stick to homicidal thinking on the road every time someone does something stupid to me. My favorite is after some jerk cuts me off, they end up getting hit by an 18-wheeler loaded down with bridge parts, and the creepoid's car explodes killing him instantly.... seems to work for me. Thoughts like this help and seems to work, and no one gets killed or arrested.

River

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 2:24 PM

TRISTAN

Ghostrider, I understand what you mean. I do give you props for that post, though. Made me spit up my drink when I read it...all this serious, rambling posting, then that brilliant non-sequitur!
I am sorry there were no tattoos, though.

Holding until you get back, Captain.

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 3:22 PM

TIGER

No one should take anything this guy says seriously - about cars, butterfly knives, armed societies, Robert Heinlein, lions or anything else since he's been 100% wrong about it all since he started posting.

And did you have to bring Heinlein into it? A great hero of science fiction and libertarian philosophy deserves no place in your rantings...

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:42 PM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

Wha?!?... *sniff sniff* OH.... IM ON FIRE!!!

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 10:22 PM

SCORPIONREGENT

Two wrongs don't make a right. If someone is driving in a unsafe manner just dial 911 and tell the cops you think he's drunk and they will take care of it. It's their job. Escalating a situation by brandishing a deadly weapon and vandalizing a car is likely to get you hurt or in jail. Did you ever consider that while you were scratching up his trunk all the guy had to do was throw his car into reverse, floor it and you wouldn't have any legs any more. You should be damn grateful he didn't. Do you know how lucky you are? You could right now be facing the rest of your life in a wheel chair. If he broke the law that doesn't give you the right to do so too. If he pissed you off, so what, you allowed yourself to be pissed off. Exercise some self-control and use your head. Prisions and graveyards are full of people who didn't think through the consequences of their actions. You too can be one of them if you maintain this attitude that you are justified in everything you do. You brandished a deadly weapon and vandalized a car in front of witnesses. How smart is that? If you have a three strikes law in your state you could have only one strike left before you are in the slam for life. I don't know where you get this concept that anyone has the right to kill you, don't kid yourself, murder is a crime. Life isn't a movie or a video game, There is no rewind or reset button. Once you screw up you have to live with it. You graduated high school that really limits your job prospects, add a criminal conviction and watch your life start to spiral downward till it's all you can do to make ends meet and keep from being homeless. I don't see where you get the idea that you can't be judged. Man you are really full of yourself. You posted on a open thread what you did and you expect every one to just slap you on the back and buy you a beer? It's not all about you. Right now you are a hero in your own mind but it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Life as a responsible adult isn't about giving in to your every impulse, but If you are going to go through life being a thug I suggest you go to Russia where organized crime thrives and police are all corrupt. Otherwise take the plunge and turn your life around, go to the police, tell them that you realize your mistake and want to make amends by apologizing and paying restitution. Maybe if you are lucky the DA will choose not to press charges.

Scorpion Regent

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Friday, June 2, 2006 2:00 AM

CALHOUN

Hahaha.. I love it when assholes get out of their cars with intent to intimidate or worse. Last time that happened to me I took my lump of wood out from under the seat and knee-capped the asswipe and left him screaming in the middle of the road.

It wasnt all that cool but it was kinda poetic as he attacked me.

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Friday, June 2, 2006 5:07 AM

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Two wrongs don't make a right. If someone is driving in a unsafe manner just dial 911 and tell the cops you think he's drunk and they will take care of it. It's their job. Escalating a situation by brandishing a deadly weapon and vandalizing a car is likely to get you hurt or in jail. Did you ever consider that while you were scratching up his trunk all the guy had to do was throw his car into reverse, floor it and you wouldn't have any legs any more. You should be damn grateful he didn't. Do you know how lucky you are? You could right now be facing the rest of your life in a wheel chair. If he broke the law that doesn't give you the right to do so too. If he pissed you off, so what, you allowed yourself to be pissed off. Exercise some self-control and use your head. Prisions and graveyards are full of people who didn't think through the consequences of their actions. You too can be one of them if you maintain this attitude that you are justified in everything you do. You brandished a deadly weapon and vandalized a car in front of witnesses. How smart is that? If you have a three strikes law in your state you could have only one strike left before you are in the slam for life. I don't know where you get this concept that anyone has the right to kill you, don't kid yourself, murder is a crime. Life isn't a movie or a video game, There is no rewind or reset button. Once you screw up you have to live with it. You graduated high school that really limits your job prospects, add a criminal conviction and watch your life start to spiral downward till it's all you can do to make ends meet and keep from being homeless. I don't see where you get the idea that you can't be judged. Man you are really full of yourself. You posted on a open thread what you did and you expect every one to just slap you on the back and buy you a beer? It's not all about you. Right now you are a hero in your own mind but it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Life as a responsible adult isn't about giving in to your every impulse, but If you are going to go through life being a thug I suggest you go to Russia where organized crime thrives and police are all corrupt. Otherwise take the plunge and turn your life around, go to the police, tell them that you realize your mistake and want to make amends by apologizing and paying restitution. Maybe if you are lucky the DA will choose not to press charges.

Scorpion Regent

Nice post, but I think this was all covered by the other people who posted already. Anyway, who the hell would want to live in Russia any way? They should bulldoze that whole nation down, pave it over, and turn it into a parking lot for my car.

River

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Friday, June 2, 2006 6:13 AM

You really have to be one of the dumbest people I've ever met online.

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You acknowledge that it is an open forum, but you don't acknowledge what that actually means. What it means is you can request all you want and I can choose to follow your request or not. You have no "authority" in the matter, yet you think I should oblige you. And really, if you re-read my last post, you will see that I didn't insult you at all. I merely responded without the personal attacks. I acknowledged my previous ones and yes, I did change the tool comment. I went back and read it and realized I was implying that the guy in the car was the tool. That wasn't what I meant, so I fixed it. He was an asshat for cutting you off, but.…

I never implied that I had authority, I only made the request. You might be trying, pathetically, to catch me in a contradiction, but I never once said that you had or should do any of this, only pointed out that it was contradictory to the spirit of your entire argument. As I concluded last time, apparently the physical presence of someone makes a very big difference to you.

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Oh please. I stated that my judgement means naught. In other words, that it holds no authority. Did ya miss that part? I don't need "the right" to judge you. I can do it with or without "right." The only authority my judgement can have is what other people give it...and those are probably people who agree with me. There is no consequence for my judgement...only that I think you're wrong.

No, as a matter of fact I did miss where you said your opinions mean naught. So, as long as you’re admitting that nothing you say holds any weight… I don’t even know why you’re trying to argue in the first place. Maybe you just like reading your own opinion… you must, since you state them over and over again, no matter how many times I acknowledge them and provide legitimate counter arguments.

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So my personal attacks mean it's okay to do the same back? My first post was based on a number of posts, your's and a few others. I had more info to go on in my first than you did. Should I have called you a tool, said you belonged in Jr. High (just to get it right) and later, that you were lower on the evolutionary scale? Nope. But I did.

I carve into a guy’s trunk for cutting me off, and you have to ask if I think it’s ok to insult you for insulting me? Hell yes I do. To say nothing of “who would win”, and only of my own personal mentality, if you had been saying these words to my face I would find more than enough reason to physically attack you. But being as this is the second or third issue that you’re yielding on, I’m finding it suitable to just tear you apart online instead.

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Um, Righteousness? When did that get brought into the mix.... Oh, wait. By you. When you called your anger "Psychotic, righteouse , unjust...."

I did bring up the point of whether getting caught makes something right or wrong because you wrote this: "If you're all bringing up what MIGHT have been the situation to show me where I faulted, then shouldn't reality be the ultimate deciding factor?"

You seemed to say that because the reality of the situation was that you faced no consequences that you did no wrong. I get that you were trying to make a point. But you used a circular argument that just doesn't fly.

And congratulations on more attacks. Do you feel better now?

Go back and read the context that I used those words in. It was a quick list of descriptive words that anyone might have considered my actions. I wasn’t calling myself any of them, which is why a complimentary word like “righteous” is both preceded and followed by pejoratives like “psychotic” and “unjust”. Yet again, you attempt to twist my words to use against me, and yet again you fail. I’m sure you’re not upset by it, though, as failure seems to be a regularity in your life.

And actually, I was pointing out that it was all of you who were and are continuing to us circular arguments. If getting caught is not a factor at all, then none of you should have even mentioned it. But you did, and you further discredited yourselves by doing so.

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Oh, more insults. And no, you can't even compare the intent. The intent in my situation, and even in your's, was to instill fear. How exactly am I trying to instill fear in you?

Fear is incidental. You to me, your stalker to you, and myself to the guy who cut me off, all had the objective to show the other where they faulted. We chose different means to accomplish it, but they were all breed from the same thing. Again, you make fear, the physical presence of intimidation, the deciding factor in whether or not to act.

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I admitted that SENSELESS (i.e. meaningless) acts of conflict need not be avoided. I'm not scared of conflict. However, physical confrontation accompanied by weapons is not senseless.

Were I face to face with you would I "spout off?" Hell no. You've proven to me by your actions that you have no problem with fighting, intimidation and other physical acts. Sadly, I'm not in the habit of using fighting or weapons to beat others down. But then again...maybe I would spout off. But only if a crowd was around so they could watch you "confront" a woman.

I’ll be big about this and not hold it against you that you again confused your own meaning. I’m sure that you meant to say that physical confrontation accompanied by weapons is senseless. On that, Karl Von Clausewitz, Frederick the Great, Sun Tzu, and Niccolo Machiavelli would all disagree with you. Conflict, physical confrontation and armed conflict are all parts of life. You can argue my specific situation all you want, but I’m even offering you an out here.

You’re female? Huh, says a lot about the presumptuous state of man to assume he’s always talking to another man, doesn’t it? Still, that at least explains to me why you’re so poor at making any sort of point.

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Ah, who's on the high horse now? You don't judge? Yeah right.

So now is where I do my best to take the high road and no longer respond to you. But, that's one of my weaknesses. I do LOVE the last word.

I said that I might call you a coward. But I didn’t.

And of course you LOVE the last word; you’re female. In the end, though, the last word is not synonymous with the correct word.

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