THE FORSAKEN - Cocytus by PhoenixRose

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

*straps on cleats*

Wait, I don't have to worry about sliding into the pyre!

*takes cleats of and dances in the fire*

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Monday, June 26, 2006 4:37 AM

We'll set up a firewall to prevent the sliding into the pyre thing!

...no, wait...sliding into the firewall would be worse than sliding into the pyre, wouldn't it?
Hmm...I'll rethink that...

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Monday, June 26, 2006 4:51 AM

Hot - cold, hot - cold...it all evens out!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 5:13 AM

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Monday, June 26, 2006 5:19 AM

Hot flash! Penguin, move over, I need the fridge

*yanks Penguin out( sorry P), collapses head first into the fridge* Y'all just wedge the watermelon in the door after you shove the rest of me in, please. Thanks.

Deb

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Monday, June 26, 2006 5:19 AM

oops, damn server timed out message!
Deb

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Monday, June 26, 2006 5:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by sweetserendipity:
Hot flash! Penguin, move over, I need the fridge

*yanks Penguin out( sorry P), collapses head first into the fridge* Y'all just wedge the watermelon in the door after you shove the rest of me in, please. Thanks.

Deb

http://serendipityagain.com/]

*shoves sweetserendipity into the fridge* There! Enjoy!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 5:58 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
I don't touch McDonalds, at a real push I'll eat Burger King, but I can count the number of times I've done that on my fingers. I'll still go into one if everyone I'm with decides to, but I won't eat, and I see no point in announcing the fact to all and sundry in my signature:
99.99% of people choose to eat deadly tasteless cardboard, if your one of the 0.01% who don't...

I have to ask, are you joking?

I mean that quote is totally unrelated to the one you're comparing it to. That one is insulting, PR's was simple statement of fact. It didn't say that pot was bad, and certainly didn't imply that those who had used it were somehow worse for doings so. You imply that the 99.99% are deviod of such qualities as taste and the ability to to take care of their bodies.

So, when you implied the two were alike, were you joking?

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I mean what it says is, "98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature."

Not, "98% of teens posion themselves for no reason, if you don't..."

Personally I've never smoked pot, nor do I have the desire to do so, I also don't have the desire to add it to my nonexistant sig or tell people about it for no reason (I consider this discussion a reason.) But the fact that I, like you, see no point in announcing the fact in a sig does not mean that I understand why you compare it to things that are nothing like it, unless you're joking.

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Monday, June 26, 2006 6:21 AM

CITIZEN

To an exetent, but since the post was also a reply to PR (where she equated smoking cannabis to poisoning oneself) I really don't see your problem.

And McDonalds looks like cardboard, requires chemicals to prevent it tasting like cardboard, has been proven to quickly damage your health so actually I think my sentence was also a statement of fact.

If my statement implies the things you have decided it does the other one certainly implies the things you have decided it does not.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

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Monday, June 26, 2006 6:36 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
To an exetent, but since the post was also a reply to PR (where she equated smoking cannabis to poisoning oneself) I really don't see your problem.

My problem is that you equated what was being announed to "all and sundry in [a] signature" to what was only said to you and those interested in PR's response to you. If those two things are equal, which as far as I'm concerned they are not, then you have done exactly what you said you see no point in.

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Monday, June 26, 2006 6:39 AM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
And McDonalds looks like cardboard, requires chemicals to prevent it tasting like cardboard, has been proven to quickly damage your health so actually I think my sentence was also a statement of fact.

Do yourself a favor... smoke pot before u eat at Mcdonalds... or preferably don't do either...

Buddy of mine is reading this and I'll get it next...

http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/books/schlosser.html

EDIT: wait a minute... I am NOT saying get high and then go munch out at Mcdonalds... (although funny).. I AM saying if u had a choice between a joint or a big mac.... etc. etc.

OH and... 98%

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Monday, June 26, 2006 6:43 AM

CITIZEN

Edit:
As I came off more confrontational than I should of done:
I'm not going to discuss it with you. My statement was meant as an extreme example, I was not guilty of doing anything save lending an example.

Theres a big difference between doing something and giving an example.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

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Monday, June 26, 2006 7:15 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
If my statement implies the things you have decided it does the other one certainly implies the things you have decided it does not.

Obviously we look at the english language in very different ways.

When I read:
"98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature."

I see:
A certain part of a certian group have done a certain thing, if you are not part of it, do this.

It would be the same if I said:
"Most Americans have set foot in America, if you are one of those that has not, say so."

It is true that most Americans have been in the country and some have not, it is a result of the fact that American citizenship is given, at birth, to the child of an American and there is no requirment for them to ever enter the country, or indeed the hemisphere.

When you read this does it imply that those who have been here are somehow worse? If it does then we really have very different ways of interpreting things.

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When I read
99.99% of people choose to eat deadly tasteless cardboard, if your one of the 0.01% who don't...

I see:
A certain part of a certian group do a certain thing involving [pejorative adjective] [pejorative adjective] [pejorative noun], if you are not part of it...

Other than the tense and the fact that you end one phrase before PR there is only one thing that is different: the pejoratives.

I mean if I don't abstract it then I suppose I could say that there were more differences, for example you emphesised the choice, PR didn't even mention it. But what I'm looking at is that instead of saying, "food," you said, "cardboard," and instead of leaving out adjectives you chose to put in two that are quite negitive in this context.

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Also, you said, just now when you edited the post that I'm replying to, that the food has chemicals in it to change it's taste, how can it change it's taste if it has no taste? How is the fact that it has a taste to change a support of the statement that it is tasteless?

I agree that it quickly damages your health, by the way, as you pointed out so too can tomatos. Apples can kill as well. I happen to like apples. Then again I lost ten pounds and lowered by blood pressure by eating at McDonalds five days a week, I don't do it anymore and I've gained the weight back, such is life.

But I'm getting off track.

My point is about the pejoratives, nothing more. What I should have said is that PR stated unbiasing fact. Even if what you said is indeed unbiased fact it clearly presents an image of which of the two groups is better, at least in so far as their eating habits, whether that image is correct or not is not what I care about.

What I care about is that the statement you were equating it to, the part that was announed to "all and sundry" in a signature, contained no implication of which group is better in any aspect of anything.

It would have been easy enough to make it similar, just say:
"99.99% of people eat at McDonalds, if your one of the 0.01% who don't..."

And add that if you were ever asked why you would then put in the whole, "deadly tasteless cardboard," though I have to say I still think that's more negitive than simple, "poison." I mean poison is in fact a delicacy in some places and certainly isn't even close to being universally deadly. People poison themselves all the time for fun or highs, it isn't even always illegal.

The fact that you chose to do nothing of the stort and instead make a comparison that made not sense lead me to believe that you were, probably, joking. Apparently I was wrong, to some extent.

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Monday, June 26, 2006 7:16 AM

I encourage anyone wanting to debate pot, hemp, or various functions of that plant to research just how the ban on pot happened in the first place. The large paper companies were being threatened by the small and medium-sized hemp farms, because hemp has such a variety of uses beyond just the fact that the plant makes pot. The fibers can be used for fabric, they make a better grade of paper or parchment(the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are written on hemp parchment), and as a renewable resource, the plant can be grown to maturity faster and cheaper than trees. The paper companies lobbied Congress to get hemp outlawed based on the drug properties of the plant because they knew the other side of the argument wouldn't fly with the American people.

Just as a reference, I have never smoked pot, but if I get cancer someday, I will have a grow room for the chemo nausea.

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 7:19 AM

Phoenixrose, where'd you get the SOuth PARK stuff!?

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'I don't know. He seems kind of peculiar.'

'Maybe he's Canadian!'

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Monday, June 26, 2006 7:25 AM

FMF!
Hugs and kisses to you!! We're glad you are back among us. Thanks for the gear and the toddies, and let us know when you are ready to cut a rug!

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 7:30 AM

CITIZEN

Except your still taking my comments out of context and changing the overall meaning, the general thrust of what I said. The sig in question is nearly always used in order to empathise who has the moral high ground and which set of peer pressures are more correct, that was the sentiment of my post.

There is an inherent and obvious bias to the pot statement, which you choose not to see, one supposes because you agree with it, which is also why, I would guess, you choose to blow what I said out of all proportion, and context.

I have no wish to turn these threads into a flame war, so now I'm going to withdraw, still without anything placed in my sig, which still shows your earlier accusation of me "doing what I'm arguing against" is plaintively and demonstratably false.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

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Monday, June 26, 2006 7:31 AM

Thanks BCS

And may I weigh into the Pot/McDonalds tiff to say - Geezus Peezus people lighten up!

This is in fact one of the most absurd arguments I have seen in a long time and you are hi-jacking what is supposed to be a happy thread. If you can not play nice I will eject you from the FORSAKEN and into TIMEOUT!

signed
MOM who is fed up and ain;t taken it no mo'
But I say this with LOVE!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 7:38 AM

*gives mom a big hug* Well said!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 2:05 PM

And we love you too!

How have you been? Are you recovered enough to dance around the fire a bit now?

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 2:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And here I thought Colorado was considered to be the South, and that much further south there was a a lot more misogyny. Maybe that's just because of the Mexican culture (sorry to any Latin American folk that might offend; this is based on my personal experience of every man I've personally met from Mexico because they all made me feel like an object. Not that that's exclusive to them, either, just seemed more consistant.) and white-trash cliches and the idea of "southern belles" which are commonly thought of as fairly helpless images of women.
I wish I knew some single straight-talking women I was willing to part with, but it's rare here, too, and the few I know are my friends. Or lesbians. Or both. Or at least friends of my family. Did I mention several of them are lesbians? I guess they have to develop that habbit to comfortably exist; if they get hit on and can't come right out and say they're lesbians, there are issues. Of course, I think there are always issues if you can't just come right out and say what's true, but you know what I mean.
Sorry, did that belong on Imponderables? Well, we can talk about anything we want here, so why not?
Anyway, is there middle ground where we real women could meet the real men, or do we have to venture into the blazing summer heat? Cuz really, if they're real men, they should be willing to meet us halfway

I think being direct in general is rare, no matter where you are. Maybe that's why guys don't believe I actually mean what I say? Huh.

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98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature (it counts even though I'm not a teen anymore)

Sorry it has taken so long to reply to this, and I see that this thread has gone all over the map this past week or so(ain't that cool)! Don't mistake the "southern belle" as helpless. I don't want to speak for her, but I think FMF might back me up on this. The southern belle at times can bear more of a reseblance to Patience than to Kaylee. They will smile and tell you "bless your heart", and sometimes they wait until your back is turned to stick in the knife. They are taught from an early age to manipulate on a level that would make Inara jealous, but they are also taught to do it so politely that it is considered rude of anyone to call them on it. Again, I'm not applying this to all women in the South, but there is a certain percentage that regard such behavior as a badge of honor. I much prefer the straight-talking type, because you never have to guess how they feel or what they think on a sublect. They will tell you.

As far as meeting halfway, I'm sure that something could be arranged, but we do have a little invention down here called air conditioning, and you can still go skiing, it's just on liquid water instead of powdered water.

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 3:51 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Oh for heavens sake! Wow! Ok, apparently I didn't diffuse the situation by laughing at it, sorry to see there was such a hot argument.
I have nothing against hemp, I know the facts about paper and cloth and the like. I have in fact found out that the hemp you smoke and the hemp that makes paper are two entirely different plants that happen to share the same species; they're as alike and as different as an oak and a maple. I think it's too bad, too, that nicotine and alchohol are both perfectly legal, but hemp is not, because pot is one of the least deadly drugs. That being said, I still have no interest in smoking it, but will no longer say so in my sig.

Anyway, moving along.
I had heard that southern belles are politely catty. I wouldn't want to deal with that at all. It would wear on me. And maybe the helplessness thing is just one of their many manipulations and should be seen as such. Either way, don't want to deal with it. I'm not sure if there's a region of all straight-talkers but I sure would like to find it.
I don't ski

though I might want to waterski one day. However, if I want to retain any female relationships, I think I might have to stay away from those highly trained southern belles.
I have to head to work now, but I'll be back in a bit, possibly with a new thread; I'll have to check the length of this one.
Oh, and my South Parkians were made at http://www.sp-studio.de/ and edited in PhotoShop.

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Monday, June 26, 2006 3:58 PM

It's getting pretty looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong! lol

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Monday, June 26, 2006 4:00 PM

Have fun at work, oh fiery one! You go to work, I'm heading to bed!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 5:28 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

You fixed the off to bed emote! Hooray!

Yeah, that's always the way of it. I work while so many others are sleeping. Muurrrrrr.

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Monday, June 26, 2006 6:14 PM

Well said BCS! P if you want to know what Southern Women are like - watch Designing woman. I can see all my female relatives in the characters on that show. They don't call us Steel Magnolias for nothin!

BCS - worked 2nd job this evening, heart rate is a little up. Think I will sit in the nice toasty warm jacuzzi and sip some hot toddy!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 7:18 PM

I'll join you in spirit, if not in spirits, since I don't have a toddy handy, and I'll be heading off to dreamland myself.

PR, I thank you for the info on hemp. I didn't know there were different varieties, although it would make sense. I felt sure that someone was going to pull a Kaylee on me and say "wasn't that --historical". I wasn't trying to be that serious, but sometimes it comes across that way.

Sorry to reply to two different posts at once, instead of sending you each your own, but if i don't get to bed soon, I'll wake up at my computer with keyboard face, and my post will end like awrg0jkw[m 1=0u24omlow ikdnk aaihq.

(curls up just inside the fire, since it's plenty warm down here already). 'Night, all.

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Monday, June 26, 2006 7:29 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

If I remember correctly, the hemp that is smoked has flowers, hence why weed is called "buds". I think. The hemp used in paper and cloth making doesn't have these flowers, but the leaves look nearly identical. They use this as an excuse, saying that people could say they were growing one form when they're really growing another, so it's just all illegal. It's a total crock if you ask me.
I used to work in a store that sold imported hemp clothing. It was educational. Always happy to spread my education around

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:07 AM

Morning, all!
Why we talkin' 'bout smokin' a rope? Thought that discussion had gone the way of the pterodactyls...oh, well.

Missed this place last night; glad to be back!

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:23 AM

Mornin'! It's rainin' buckets and my ceiling is leaking! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Deb

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:37 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Send some of that rain to Colorado! We need it!

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:46 AM

Honey, if I could I would! And btw, BSCP was right about southern belles. Some can slice you up and serve it to you on a silver platter with a glass of iced tea, and you'll never know you're bleeding. But not all of us. Some of us are only a wee bit evil!

Deb

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:04 AM

Hey, even us refined Southern gentlemen have a dark side. Would life be interesting any other way?

Sorry for the short post, just awoke and have to go to work. At least I may get to post some there, and Tuesday is usually a quiet day for me.

Are we starting a new level soon? What are we thinking about naming it, since Dante never had the stones to go farther than nine before running out for the other side?

Deb, where in the South are ye from, darlin'? Are you anywhere near FMF and I in Alabama?

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:07 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

About ten more posts and I'm gonna start THE FORSAKEN - Beyond Hell
Or maybe "Beyond Hades"?
Or "A Deeper Hell"?
Somethin' like that.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:08 AM

It only took one encounter with a Southern Belle before I became aware of their existence. I moved to Alabama from Arizona, and was rudely awakened to these wonderful creatures. They do sort of remind me of Patience...maybe more like River at times. I love Southern women! Dignity, carriage, intelligence, and ingrained survival tactics that would shame most generals these days!

-EDIT-
BSC, don't forget me! I'm down here in good ol' Alabama, too!

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:54 AM

I'm in good old steamy South Carolina. Unfortunately not close enough to y'all to do anything but shout. But it's so nice to know southern women are appreciated!

I wish I had an emote twirling a parasol, that would be perfect.

Deb

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:02 AM

Howdy ya'll!

My mother, The LADY (as my stepmonster used to refer to her) is a true Southern Lady (though I don't see her as a Belle). My aunt used to say of my mom that she could tell you to go to hell and make you enjoy the ride. I always loved that.

PR - I am ready for a new level - thsi sub zero asbestos foulweather gear is chaffing me nethers!

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:20 AM

We can't have no chaffing! That's almost as bad as fire ants.

Deb

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:51 AM

How about THE FORSAKEN - We can't get no satisfaction?

giggle snort

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:02 AM

FMF, the Forsaken always get satisfaction.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:09 AM

not if we are trully Forsaken.

I was in mind of the We have done all the levels and we still say BRING IT ON

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:20 AM

The Forsaken-This time it's Personal!

The Forsaken-further up and further in. (nod to C.S. Lewis there)

The Forsaken-Levels? We got no levels. We don't need no stinkin' Levels!

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:22 AM

OOps!

Didn't mean to omit you, Tristan. I owe you some catfish for that one!

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:24 AM

BSC, no problem...I am actually a misplaced Yankee...but I have been down here long enough (pert near 20 years) to consider myself a Southerner. Catfish sounds good...so when ya comin' over?

I think The Forsaken... would say it all.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:42 AM

but, but, but - we have to have a tag line! All the crappy really big movies that make a bazillion bucks has one

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:44 AM

The Forsaken - Dante's Revenge

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:49 AM

good one!

How bout the Righteous Forsaken

hee hee hee

sorry I am tomenting the bible thumpers here at work again.

I enjoy a good bible. I just don't think it should be thumped.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:52 AM

We are beyond tag lines...we have sunk below a mere tag! The Forsaken are their own tag line! We need not...uh...sorry, lost my steam there...

It is good to have you back, FMF. And while I like the "Mom" tag applied to you, I propose a vote to add "Very Hot" in front of it (assuming that does not offend you). Any seconds on that?

Penguin...Dante's Revenge...I like that!

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:02 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Nooooooo! Dante must have no revenge on us! That would be horrible!
I'll do it if we really want, though...

What about Still Burning?
Or, even better - Dante's Got Nothin' On Us!
Or maybe Flesh is Burning

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:04 AM