Loafer's Nook - 23 skidoo and more fooding. by Jadehand

Pish and posh, Seanny.

You put just a little effort into it, you could find yourself a VERY lovely young woman to spend lots of money on. You're smart, you're good looking, you're funny, you have a decent job, you even have a nice car!

You've already got an edge on most men your age, who are still making minimum wage driving something second hand that's more rust than not and think bathroom humour is the height of entertainment.

So there.

Serenity,
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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by CallMeSerenity:
You've already got an edge on most men your age, who are still making minimum wage driving something second hand that's more rust than not and think bathroom humour is the height of entertainment.

And yet they get more attention than I without putting any effort in at all, so obviously either those good things about me aren't really true, or there's something about me that far outweighs anything good about me.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:47 AM

Oh, no, it's just that 90% of women your age are very very silly. Don't waste your time on them.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:48 AM

I see, it's not me, it's everyone else.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:56 AM

Yes!

Well, no.

But, really, next time you're at a party, just bypass the girls who waste their time with the losers. They aren't worth your time. It's the girls that are standing over to the side discussing current events or the one that's in the kitchen helping the hostess put food out or the one that goes out of her way to talk to the wallflowers that are more worth your time.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by seryn:

real question, why have men not got it yet that that when a women uses the word 'fine' (even when its hissed through clenched teeth) she means that she's anything but fine.

(infact, quick translation, 'fine' in female-speak often means 'yes, i'm extremely pissed off at you but i'm not going to explain why, you inordinately stupid oaf, because you aught to be able to guess exactly what it is you have done to wrong me. In the meantime i'm going to smile and be gracious infront of our family and friends and you had better quake in fear because if you still haven't worked it out by the time we get home man are you in for it.)

its just this handy form of short hand.

And listen to Serenity, you'll never get dumped again.

Let's take it as a given that the hypothetical guy is unaware of his horrendous gaff. I'm going to address the whole isuue of the 'fine' answer. I'm sorry there is no one single answer to this one.

Some men really are so dense that they don't get it. It's not that they are completely brain dead, though that can be part of it, often they aren't paying close enough attention. There maybe exceptions, but as a rule these men are not worth keeping.

Other times men are likely to disregard the underlying meaning of a woman's 'fine' because they are rubbed the wrong way by the tactic. They see that sort response to their question as sarcastic, biting, and anti-social. They asked if you are okay and you snap at them in nasty manner. It doesn't encourage interaction on their part.

If confronted they can say they asked if you had a problem and you said you said you were 'fine'. So in fact to them they are trapping you with your own lie.

Many men are extremely frustrated that women "expect us to be able to read their minds." Saying you are "fine" just gives these men more ammunition for their arguments.

When a woman I care about gives me the "fine" answer or it's nearest equivalent it's time for me to decide what to do. I can give her space and time to cool down or I can tell her something like "your happiness is important to me and I want to make good, so what do I have to do?" It took a lot of training to think that way. The guy reflex is to think "I asked her if there was problem and she got all snooty, so to hell with her."

Next time you want to give the 'fine' answer, try 'do you really care?' instead. If he says yes then you have a basis to solve the problem, if not, to hell with him.

I suggest you lose the short hand, it's disfunctional and has a lot of potential to make things worse. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Scorpion Regent

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:03 AM

Yeah those girls aren't interested either.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:03 AM

COZEN

Learn to luv yerself, and the rest of the good stuff just kinda follows.

Ain't saying it's easy, though.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Yeah those girls aren't interested either.

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Sounds to like you need to tap a diferent pool of women.

Scorpion Regent

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:17 AM

Humans are beyond my grasp obviously.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:25 AM

oh Seany, pish, you're lovely, same as i'm lovely, we're just living in place's full of unworthy types.

Would you like to be kidnapped to? Mind you, no, you already have the career thing going. Thats something to be glad for.

Where was I? Oh, yup, little insight into the mind of your average Helen Lisa Young, 25 and a half.

I rarely mean anything i say in anything approaching seriousness.

Honestly. Unless i'm bitching, and then i mean it as i'm saying it but relent a few moments later.

So yes, I do realise that just saying 'fine' is counter productive, which is why i never use it on unsuspecting males, unless it followed a few moments later by screams of ... well, I explain exactly why i'm annoyed or upset, and give them a chance to shout back.

Admittedly its only happened twice, and the second time oh my god how boring is this stream of thought?

ok, the point is i'm sorry, i didn't mean to be all serious.

I was actually more interested in why some men feel they have to hold onto their 'john thomas's' all the frickin time.

The taxi driver who took me home when i was i'll that time did it, and all i could remember thinking was oh my god you have to give me my change with that hand.

In the end i told him to keep it.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by CallMeSerenity:
Be nice to us, we'll be nice to you.

Yes, this works. Most of the time. What about when it it doesn't?

"But you sleep like a ghost with me
It's as simple as that
So tell me I'm mad
Roll me up and breathe me in
Come to my madness
My opium den
Come to my madness
Make sense of it again."
Goodbye to all that. III-The Opium Den (Brave)-Marillion
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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by seryn:
I was actually more interested in why some men feel they have to hold onto their 'john thomas's' all the frickin time.

I really can't help with that one. I've never had the need to hold or scratch. I do, on occassion, require adjustment. This is due to the simple fact that the skin occassionaly sticks to other skin. Possibly similar to why women occassionally adjust their tops.
If he has to scratch often, probably a medical reason, and you should stay clear, 'less you enjoy the clinic and penicillan shots.

"But you sleep like a ghost with me
It's as simple as that
So tell me I'm mad
Roll me up and breathe me in
Come to my madness
My opium den
Come to my madness
Make sense of it again."
Goodbye to all that. III-The Opium Den (Brave)-Marillion
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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:02 PM

run

fast

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:05 PM

Yeah... starting to get that.

How are you doin'?
I'll be home in about 5 hours, if you'll be about, we should chat.

"But you sleep like a ghost with me
It's as simple as that
So tell me I'm mad
Roll me up and breathe me in
Come to my madness
My opium den
Come to my madness
Make sense of it again."
Goodbye to all that. III-The Opium Den (Brave)-Marillion
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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:10 PM

i'm doing well, i think (people keep asking me what's wrong...i don't know, lol)

hope to chat soon

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:12 PM

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I was actually more interested in why some men feel they have to hold onto their 'john thomas's' all the frickin time.

Apparrently it's a comfort thing, so I've heard.

"Is it still there, oh good, it is, I was worried there for a minute."

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:13 PM

It's not just men. It starts as soon as a baby boy can grasp anything. The second the diaper comes off, the hand goes searching! And then, when they get older, they figure out how to stick their hands down their pants. Is it not fun to be in public and to have to tell a two year old that "We don't touch our penises in public!"

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by seryn:
I was actually more interested in why some men feel they have to hold onto their 'john thomas's' all the frickin time.

They're insecure and are afraid of losing it. Just a guess.

Scorpion Regent

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:24 PM

I have to agree with Serenity here. What's interesting is that I'm noticing as I get older how more and more women a) get interested in me and b) how they are more akin to the sort of person I'm interested in.

Teenage years and the early twenties, they're the years for having wild times, multiple relationships, living in squalor, etc, etc. That's what those years are there for.

But there comes a point where a woman wakes up, realises she's gone a distance past 25, knows her looks are only going to fade from here, that her boyfriend is an oaf who doesn't understand her and couldn't provide for her or any potential future children and that she needs to find a real man.

And that's where the smart, thoughtful, successful guys like us come in(and modest too). I just had a relationship with one of the most beautiful and intriguing women I've ever met which just wouldn't have happened when I was 20. I'm now certain that all the things that mattered when we were 18-25 (the way we looked, the way we dressed, the crowd we hung with, etc, etc) are becoming utterly unimportant.

These are the good years for us and I'm damn well going to enjoy them.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I have to agree with Serenity here.

wOOt!!

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:01 PM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Teenage years and the early twenties, they're the years for having wild times, multiple relationships, living in squalor, etc, etc. That's what those years are there for.

and this is why these years are so horrible for guys like me that could care less about wild times, multiple relations, or living in squalor...oh well, at least I'll be well-adjusted for the 25+ years

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeSerenity:
Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I have to agree with Serenity here.

wOOt!!

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If in doubt agree with Serenity.

Scorpion Regent

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:14 PM

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Originally posted by LightMeDark:
Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Teenage years and the early twenties, they're the years for having wild times, multiple relationships, living in squalor, etc, etc. That's what those years are there for.

and this is why these years are so horrible for guys like me that could care less about wild times, multiple relations, or living in squalor...oh well, at least I'll be well-adjusted for the 25+ years

You just need to find yourself a older woman. You won't be sorry. I wasn't.

Scorpion Regent

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:40 PM

COZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
I see, it's not me, it's everyone else.

It's you. That's not necessarily a bad thing, okay? Fer cryin' out loud, get the point!

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:40 PM

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Originally posted by ScorpionRegent:

If in doubt, agree with Serenity.

This man is very wise.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeSerenity:
Quote:
Originally posted by ScorpionRegent:

If in doubt, agree with Serenity.

This man is very wise.

Serenity,
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Bride8

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That just may be, however as I see it you have only one flaw. That's as close to perfect as I have ever found. But who am I to judge. I have plenty of flaws.

Scorpion Regent

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:12 AM

So, is this where I'm supposed to ask what that one flaw is and then you say something pithy?

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:59 AM

Heh, heh. You said pithy.

Come on Serenity, play along. Don't you want to know what your sin is?

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:04 AM

I know what my sins are!

Oh, that reminds me, sorry I cut out on MSN the other night. Computer meltdown. It just shut me out of messenger & wouldn't let me back on, so I decided just to go to bed instead.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:33 AM

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Originally posted by CallMeSerenity:
So, is this where I'm supposed to ask what that one flaw is and then you say something pithy?

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I vaguely remember a mention of smoking.

Scorpion Regent

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:53 AM

I don't smoke!

Smoking is a nasty, smelly, icky habit.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeSerenity:
I don't smoke!

Smoking is a nasty, smelly, icky habit.

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Flawless! Please forgive me for ever doubting your perfection.

Scorpion Regent

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:09 AM

Does anyone want season 1 and 2 of Farscape and the peace keeper wars on DVD?

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:09 AM

Not flawless. I have a scar on my belly from when I had my gallbladder removed a couple years ago and I have pock mark on my forehead from when I had chicken pox when I was 9 months old.

Flaws.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:09 AM

* Points out the only flaw

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeSerenity:

This man is very wise.

"But you sleep like a ghost with me
It's as simple as that
So tell me I'm mad
Roll me up and breathe me in
Come to my madness
My opium den
Come to my madness
Make sense of it again."
Goodbye to all that. III-The Opium Den (Brave)-Marillion
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Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Does anyone want season 1 and 2 of Farscape and the peace keeper wars on DVD?

I'm interested in seeing that. Are you selling? And is it region 1?

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:42 AM

if LMD decide not to take them, i'd be interested.

I'd sent up cries of "Why am I not being hailed as flawless! I wants to be flawless!

But i know how perfectly ludicrous it would be for any one to even try to declare me perfect.

So what i'm going to cry is

Why is no one celebrating me for my imperfections!
My flaws are fantastic!

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:44 AM

Ugh, long day. I'm tired.

May I have a Pillow, please?

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by seryn:
Why is no one celebrating me for my imperfections!
My flaws are fantastic!

I love your flaws!!!

But I know I don't count.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:54 AM

You should either be perfect or wear your flaws with pride.

(And I'm not sure what Seryn's flaws are. She loves Firefly, Monty Python, dresses well, is gosh darn pretty... it's probably something like a toad licking addiction or being a direct descendant of George Formby).

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:58 AM

what make you think you don't count?

I'm sure you are capable of singing my praises just as much as the lads are.

no, seriously - you're opinion (though jokingly demanded) means just as much to me as any other does. More so, bacuase in another situation i would know that you meant it for definite, and were'nt just being nice to get into my pants.

not that anyone here is motivated by that, but you know what i mean.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:05 AM

Hey, she tried (successfully) to get into your tight corset so...

Ah, I'm not very good at innuendo. I always put too many words in and over-complicating what should be a simple "Phwoooar" comment.

And just because someone's trying to seduce you Seryn, doesn't mean their compliments are fake. Quite often the reverse. Though Serenity is very good at the complementary compliments for us all. I wonder if she carried the 'spirit stick' at her school?

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:09 AM

thank you Stuart, your moneys just over on the bar...

No, thank you! Aw, he called me pretty. As for imperfections, no, no toad licking, and my mothers managed to trace my family back about three hundred years now and as yet no sign of George Formby. But I am sitting here in an unholy mess of a room I haven't got any excuse for, and i'm eating pringles even though i should be trying to loose weight (i'm being bribed to do it, in no way have i relaxed my principles)

But, I have just been to see The History Boys, and i understood all the arguments, and even the basic gist of the scene that was entirely in friench, so...

i'm feeling good about the old noggin. So much so, i got out my copy of the sonnets to read again.

My favorite so far is 119.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:25 AM

Yes, but I doesn't automatically mean they are truthful either - some of the biggest load of rubbish i've ever heard spilling from a humans mouth has been when men are trying to pull.

The crazy thing is that women seem to fall for it,(and vice versa) or they realise it, they just don't make a point of it.

I would rather have a man turn round and say 'you're a complete mess, I never know where you are going next... but I love that, it's never boring. Or you know you are a complete bitch sometimes, but I like how you aren't afraidto say what needs to be said, Or stop worrying about your red cheeks, it doesn't make any difference to me.

or even better - you're right, those shoes are terrible with that outfit, here, let me buy you some new ones!

KIDDING!

no, i'm afraid i give very short shrift to the guys who think telling me i'm 'really nice' is going to get them somewhere.
'Really nice in my head is what people say when they have no other opinion, either through lack of imagination on their part or personality on the other. I'd rather be described with any other word (with in reason!) than nice.

Oh, yes, another flaw - i'm demanding and impatient.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:02 PM

Strange, I've never given complements for the purpose of getting into pants. If I say nice things about someone, It's because I perceive them that way. If it comes off as rubbish, ... they sadly, just don't perceive what I do. *shrug* My perception of those I'm with is all that matters. If no one else sees what I see, That's their loss. But then when I see/hear other men lavishing compliments, I can't help but think that the afore mentioned motivation is all they have.

Ah well, Dinner time.

"But you sleep like a ghost with me
It's as simple as that
So tell me I'm mad
Roll me up and breathe me in
Come to my madness
My opium den
Come to my madness
Make sense of it again."
Goodbye to all that. III-The Opium Den (Brave)-Marillion
visit WWW.Marillion.com for a better way of life.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by seryn:
if LMD decide not to take them, i'd be interested.

I'd sent up cries of "Why am I not being hailed as flawless! I wants to be flawless!

But i know how perfectly ludicrous it would be for any one to even try to declare me perfect.

So what i'm going to cry is

Why is no one celebrating me for my imperfections!
My flaws are fantastic!

Lady Seryn you are close enough to perfect as to render your few microscopic flaws irrelavent. You can aceept this compliment with the comfortable satisfaction that the complimentee is on the far side of the world from you. Your pants and bodice are safe, at least from me.

What's pulling?

Scorpion Regent

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Though Serenity is very good at the complementary compliments for us all. I wonder if she carried the 'spirit stick' at her school?

Ew, no!

It's just cuz you're all so wonderful. Not my fault!

Serenity,
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Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:45 PM