Somebody just shoot me now... by Causal

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that BHC was as good as Serenity, but it was actually surprisingly good (well-written, for what it was).

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Thursday, October 9, 2008 10:03 PM

SINGATE

Most likely this will never be the world we would like it to be.

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Friday, October 10, 2008 3:12 AM

ALLIETHORN7

Would you like some Armageddon with your disbelief?

-Danny

It's bugging me
grating me
and twisting me around

yeah I'm endlessly
caving in
and turning inside out

because I want it now
I want it now
give me your heart and your soul
and I'm breaking out
I'm breaking out
last chance to lose control

The Band of the week is... Muse

Gott weiß ich will kein Engel sein.
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Friday, October 10, 2008 5:40 AM

HUGS Causal consolingly...

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Friday, October 10, 2008 6:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
I just heard this phrase come out of my television: "Beverly Hills Chihuahua is now the number one movie in America!" Now, I ask you, what sort of world is this where I have to listen to that,

Because a lot of families live in America, and a lot of those families have young children, so the parents of those young children decide to take them to see a light hearted funny story about a puppy instead of a bloody violent science fiction movie about government conspiracies and mass murder.

I don't see a problem here.

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Friday, October 10, 2008 6:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Alliethorn7:
Would you like some Armageddon with your disbelief?

I liked ARMAGEDDON, too.

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Friday, October 10, 2008 8:40 AM

WHOZIT

It's sad this P.O.S. will make more money then the X-Files flick.

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Friday, October 10, 2008 8:46 AM

Have you seen Beverly Hills Chihauhua or the X-Files movie? I've seen 'em both, and although I was a fan of the series, BHC definitely deserves to make more than XF2. XF2 would have been--at best--a mediocre and quickly-forgotten episode. As a motion picture event, it was a complete disappointment.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
I just heard this phrase come out of my television: "Beverly Hills Chihuahua is now the number one movie in America!" Now, I ask you, what sort of world is this where I have to listen to that,
Because a lot of families live in America, and a lot of those families have young children, so the parents of those young children decide to take them to see a light hearted funny story about a puppy instead of a bloody violent science fiction movie about government conspiracies and mass murder.

I don't see a problem here.

Point: missed.

Well, that or sarcasm so cunning as to be invisible!

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:56 PM

DEWRASTLER

What should really bother you was that it looks to be the number one movie for two straight weeks (beating out Body of Lies, the Crowe/Dicaprio thriller)

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:45 PM

NCBROWNCOAT

It's a 3 day weekend for some (Columbus Day for us in the US and Thanksgiving on Monday for our Canadian friends) so I'm not surprised.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Point: missed.

Well, that or sarcasm so cunning as to be invisible!

Ooooookay.....

Guess I missed your point.

Perhaps you should be more clear. Or maybe research "sarcasm" so you can be better at it. Cuz I can't tell if you're being a dick or not here.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Point: missed.

Well, that or sarcasm so cunning as to be invisible!
Ooooookay.....

Guess I missed your point.

Perhaps you should be more clear. Or maybe research "sarcasm" so you can be better at it. Cuz I can't tell if you're being a dick or not here.

I was aiming for good natured ribbing, I think, but as usual, the limitations of white text on a black background have prevented me from actually achieving the right balance of snarky and lighthearted. Next time I'll tailor my message precisely to your tastes--which, I think, must mean not posting at all!

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Next time I'll tailor my message precisely to your tastes--which, I think, must mean not posting at all!

...this is the first time I've seen you on the forum in months, and the first thing you do is get tetchy?

Doooood......

Yeah. I follow the logic here. You confuse me, I point it out, you presume that means
(1) you know me well enough to know my "tastes" and (2) I don't want you posting.

You're being such a girl.
Seriously.
Deep breath.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Next time I'll tailor my message precisely to your tastes--which, I think, must mean not posting at all!
...this is the first time I've seen you on the forum in months, and the first thing you do is get tetchy?

Doooood......

Yeah. I follow the logic here. You confuse me, I point it out, you presume that means
(1) you know me well enough to know my "tastes" and (2) I don't want you posting.

You're being such a girl.
Seriously.
Deep breath.

This has always been the trouble--our humor operates in totally different ways! Nothing wrong with that, but seems to mean we get at each other quicker than most.

None of the above was meant to be tetchy, girly, or whatever else. I meant good-natured teasing and can't quite seem to carry it off effectively where you're concerned, sorry. Not sure where to go from here. Perhaps there's some combination of emoticons that would convey consternation, amusement, and irritation? I hate not being able to effectively communicate!

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
This has always been the trouble--our humor operates in totally different ways! Nothing wrong with that, but seems to mean we get at each other quicker than most. None of the above was meant to be tetchy, girly, or whatever else. I meant good-natured teasing and can't quite seem to carry it off effectively where you're concerned, sorry.

Wow, your posts have suddenly made me realize that we're apparently some old married couple, with "Odd Couple" stylings.
News to me, but do carry on.

Quote:
Not sure where to go from here. Perhaps there's some combination of emoticons that would convey consternation, amusement, and irritation? I hate not being able to effectively communicate!

E...mot...icons...?
Gee, let's see. Any of these suffice?

If not, I think there may be an entire Interwub full of them....

But let's get back to your original post that started this tête-à-tête.

What was the point of this thread and your initial post? Cuz now you have me curious, having apparently missed the mark so completely.

Title:
Somebody just shoot me now...

Message:
I just heard this phrase come out of my television: "Beverly Hills Chihuahua is now the number one movie in America!" Now, I ask you, what sort of world is this where I have to listen to that, but never got to hear the phrase, "Serenity is now the number one move in America"?

((waiting with bated breath for even a mote of understanding of the mystery that is Causal))

XD

^(see? this is a text-based emoticon that is sometimes used to indicate quasi-maniacal laughter, bewilderment, or even sarcasm)

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I once heard the following and realized the end was near:
The highest rated TV show ever for a non-major network is......
The Anna Nicole Show, starring Anna Nicole Smith.

yep, I'm not kidding. No sarcasm, honest.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 3:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
This has always been the trouble--our humor operates in totally different ways! Nothing wrong with that, but seems to mean we get at each other quicker than most. None of the above was meant to be tetchy, girly, or whatever else. I meant good-natured teasing and can't quite seem to carry it off effectively where you're concerned, sorry.
Wow, your posts have suddenly made me realize that we're apparently some old married couple, with "Odd Couple" stylings.
News to me, but do carry on.
Quote:
Not sure where to go from here. Perhaps there's some combination of emoticons that would convey consternation, amusement, and irritation? I hate not being able to effectively communicate!
E...mot...icons...?
Gee, let's see. Any of these suffice?
If not, I think there may be an entire Interwub full of them....

But let's get back to your original post that started this tête-à-tête.

What was the point of this thread and your initial post? Cuz now you have me curious, having apparently missed the mark so completely.

Title:
Somebody just shoot me now...

Message:
I just heard this phrase come out of my television: "Beverly Hills Chihuahua is now the number one movie in America!" Now, I ask you, what sort of world is this where I have to listen to that, but never got to hear the phrase, "Serenity is now the number one move in America"?

((waiting with bated breath for even a mote of understanding of the mystery that is Causal))

XD

^(see? this is a text-based emoticon that is sometimes used to indicate quasi-maniacal laughter, bewilderment, or even sarcasm)

OK, now we're getting someplace!

My chagrin stems from the fact that Beverly Hills Chihuahua (BHC), while it may be satisfying family fare, is certainly not a movie on a par with Serenity. Yet BHC is getting its moment in the sun, and our movie never did! I wish that I could have seen Serenity get the sort of broad recognition that BHC is getting (deservedly or not).

Scoured the internets and found this one:

That's pretty close, but doesn't quite get the humor in there. Perhaps if he was grinning?

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Monday, October 13, 2008 3:08 AM

WHOZIT

The stupid dog movie finished #1 again this weekend. It made $17.5 million.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 3:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
My chagrin stems from the fact that Beverly Hills Chihuahua (BHC), while it may be satisfying family fare, is certainly not a movie on a par with Serenity.

Blah blah blah.
I'd say several million people disagree with your assessment, which is why it's still at number one. Which was my point.

But if it makes you feel better...:

((ahem)) "SERENITY IS NOW THE AWESOMEST NUMBER ONE MOVIE IN AMERICA, EVER!"

...

PS) The last line of your signature is about 200 years past expiration.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 4:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Blah blah blah.
I'd say several million people disagree with your assessment, which is why it's still at number one. Which was my point.

But if it makes you feel better...:

((ahem)) "SERENITY IS NOW THE AWESOMEST NUMBER ONE MOVIE IN AMERICA, EVER!"

...

PS) The last line of your signature is about 200 years past expiration.

I don't get why I'm on your shit list. Can you explain that to me? I try to start a thread, maybe dip my toe back in the community, see how things are going, and I get jumped. Think you could see your way clear to telling me what I did that pissed you off so profoundly?

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Monday, October 13, 2008 4:20 AM

Wow, you waffle back and forth quite a bit, don't you....

I didn't jump on you and I'm not "pissed off so profoundly"; in fact, aside from being mostly confused, I find this a bit amusing....
1) You posted a statement.
2) I merely pointed out why things might be the way they are; I honestly don't know how you can construe that as any sort of personal attack.
3) You get all crazy.

Is it the gray font? Is that what's throwing you? This really doesn't have to be this difficult, does it?

((completely confused))

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Monday, October 13, 2008 5:19 AM

The strategy here, near as I can figure it, is to identify a target's attempted re-entry into the community and be very subtly provocative. Feigned confusion makes the target appear to be churlishly unwilling to provide explanation; maintain this posture to provide justification for further maneuver. Wait for explanation and be subtly mocking. Make no move that would be obvious in its intent to belittle or harass, that way total deniability is maintained. In the event of protest, attack the target as touchy or childish, further isolating the individual from the community the target wishes to reengage. Any attempt on the target's part to request explanation will be met with further belittlement so as to make the target appear overly sensitive, paranoid or crazy. These aspects of the target's behavior will be repeated and amplified as necessary to paint the target as an unwanted threat to the community, thus further isolating the target from the community. Ideally, back the target into a corner from which the only escape appears to be lashing out, providing the entire line of attack with justification. Repeat as necessary until the target gives up and goes away, at which point the entire strategy becomes self-justifying.

If one wanted to regulate one's community so as keep unwanted individuals out, I imagine that this would be spectacularly successful.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 5:32 AM

O.o!

...ooookay.

There's nothing "feigned" about my confusion here.

Seriously, I am sincerely, honestly not understanding what was so wrong about what I said and why you're so upset about it. And I don't know how to convey that any better than I already have.

(Is there an honesty emoticon anywhere?)

I'll just leave you alone now so you can foster some horrible angry misconceptions about me, my alleged plot against you, and the forum in general so you can cling to that victim complex you got going on.

(Sorry I said anything about family movie viewing habits in America.) O.o

PS) Did I accidentally step into the RWED here??

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Monday, October 13, 2008 5:55 AM

RALLEM

I don't see very many movies per year, and have already seen the two movies I was looking forward to, which were Batman and Ironman. In my opinion Ironman ruled over Batman even though there were great aspects to Batman. I think that Batman simply made the mistake of having too many bad guys like Spiderman 3 did.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 5:57 AM

*sigh*

Nothing I can say at this point. Sorry all.

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Edited to add: on a humorous note, at least the thread title remains appropriate.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 6:26 AM

WASHNWEAR

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
*sigh*

Nothing I can say at this point. Sorry all.

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Edited to add: on a humorous note, at least the thread title remains appropriate.

For what it's worth, I feel 99% sure that I understand a.) the point of this thread and your original post, and b.) your irritation and utter nonplussed-ness with H.K.'s response, to which the term "passive-agressive" is one I find applicable. It's got the same general flavor as...

A: You suck.

B: What - why do you say I suck?!

A: Why, you big, over-sensitive silly - I didn't say you suck (even though you clearly do). I simply said you suck.

Though I think it's a bit tame for the situation at hand, I think the

emoticon sums it up pretty well.

It was like it wasn't my battle but I couldn't resist when we got here!

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Monday, October 13, 2008 6:34 AM

Okay....

I don't know how to be more clear. I'm not being passive-aggressive. I'm not being pissed. I'm not trying to "get rid of" Causal. I'm not, in fact, "being" anything...! I just wanted to understand what the point was and how I missed it with one tiny comment about American family viewing habits. I have no idea how this devolved into me being a horrible, nefarious, passive-aggressive personality. I am honestly dumbfounded and I cannot be any more sincere...

I do not understand and am apparently incapable of understanding what you, Causal, are saying.

I apologize for saying anything in the first place.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 8:16 AM

WHOZIT

Some good news, Bill Maher's movie is out of the top 10. www.zap2it.com has the BOX OFFICE info.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 9:46 AM

SCOUSERATHEART

Wait. I think I am going to stick up for HK here. When I read her original post, I don't get "you suck". She made a statement/explanation defining her understanding of why a silly dog movie did better in the Box Office than Serenity. She gave a practical answer (and a rather good one).

If Casual would have explained his comment "Point missed.", none of this would have happened. What did Casual mean by that comment? I will not hazard a guess.

It wasn't until Casual got snarky that HK got snarky.

Come on people. Chill. Please.

Pretty please?

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Monday, October 13, 2008 11:39 AM

SERYN

Quote:
Originally posted by rallem:
I don't see very many movies per year, and have already seen the two movies I was looking forward to, which were Batman and Ironman. In my opinion Ironman ruled over Batman even though there were great aspects to Batman. I think that Batman simply made the mistake of having too many bad guys like Spiderman 3 did.

http://swyzzlestyx.com/index.html]

At risk of starting Mini-War II - I have to disagree - yes, lots of bad guys in Batman and it was a tad bamboozling in parts, but I thought they were reasonably well corralled under The Joker. But that's a little beside the point, my objection to it was the comparison of its failings to Spiderman 3's.

Spiderman 3's mistake wasn't so much too many villains - though there were and it was over complicating it - no, Spiderman 3's mistake was turning Peter Parker into a befringed tw*t!!!!!

*lighthearted grumbling emoticon*

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Monday, October 13, 2008 12:57 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Before I start, let me say this:

I COME IN PEACE!

Having said that, here I kinda agree with seryn, although I can see why rallem would make his statement about DK and Spidey3.

On the surface DK did appear to have a truckload of baddies to choose from. BTW Spidey3 had a truckload of problems aside from too many bad guys - it did seem that there was too much going on in that one and Peter Parker's mood swings was horribly done.

But back to DK and Ironman, both were great in their own right, but I think its apples and oranges.
Ironman, for one thing, was Robert Downey's movie from the word "go". It was a fantastic ride in every way, it was a fun (what I call) "popcorn" movie that was thoroughly entertaining. It felt like a rollercoaster ride that you wanted to get on over and over again. Nothing wrong with that.
BTW I'm getting the DVD as soon as.

The Dark Knight was slightly better, again, I think, because for me it had a great story that was told in a dramatic fashion. I love the treatment that Chris Nolan has given to my hero from my youth The Batman. There was very little in the way of overblown special effects and much was devoted to plot development, story and character development. We got that in Ironman to some degree, but again, the tone was vastly different from that of DK. Think of the tone in Serenity and then compare it to Firefly, both good storytelling, but vastly different tones.

The baddies in Spidey3 were never really fully fleshed out, except of course for GG's son from the previous 2 movies, but the DK baddies were there to drive the story along. The true baddie in this movie was The Joker, the others were there to show just how "badass" the Joker was. Heath Ledger's perf also made this an interesting character, but to me it was how the plot unfolded that made this movie extremely enjoying. Never did I feel that I knew what was coming next. Oh sure we know that Batman must live, but the question is how?

You can't really count Harvey Dent's alter ego, Two-Face as a baddie because, and this too I loved, this was an ordinary guy thrust into an extraordinary situation. He got half his face melted, you'd be a little pissed to, and he lost the woman that he loved. Also we know, from the story, that this guy is a gung-ho law & order guy get-the-job-done-come-hell-or-high-water. So he's not a true baddie in the typical sense, just a really pissed-off guy with Halloween mask issues.

BTW all the male actors in the DK were solid in their perfs, but Heath Ledger was absolutely riveting as The Joker. He does deserve the Oscar, not because of his untimely and tragic death, but I dare say, of the movies I've seen, that his was head and shoulders above the rest. Special mention should go to Aaron Eckhart as Two-Face. I could really feel his anguish when he became Two-Face.

I loved both movies for different reasons.

Butcher's Knife!

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Monday, October 13, 2008 1:19 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Not to beat a dead horse, but I saw huge lines in the theatre when I went to see Appaloosa for BHC.

Family movies tend to do well, mainly because there's such a dirth of them, and especially when they are somewhat well written, and/or cute (see The Chipmunks).

Plus you have JLC (Jamie Lee Curtis) who was great in Freaky Friday (yes, shoot me now I saw it and loved it). So there's a lot going for it.

But come on guys, a "dumb" dog movie over our beloved BDH. If there is any justice in the world we will get our BDS!

Ha, Ha, Hah! Mine is an evil laugh.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:52 AM

KELKHIL

BIG OLE EDIT:

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Just so y'all know--HK and I had a pretty extensive conversation via message, and we're good, so at this point perhaps we can return to bitching about how annoying it is that our shows/movies never get their due.

tomorrow!

Nothing to see here... move along

And HK's comment about your sig being out of date..... *points to his Sig* There is a new Dictator in town and she demands your vote.

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

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The Shirtless Forsaken

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:00 AM

Just so y'all know--HK and I had a pretty extensive conversation via message, and we're good, so at this point perhaps we can return to bitching about how annoying it is that our shows/movies never get their due.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 4:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dewrastler:
What should really bother you was that it looks to be the number one movie for two straight weeks (beating out Body of Lies, the Crowe/Dicaprio thriller)

Why all this outrage at BHC? For what it is, it's an incredibly well-written movie, and even judged OUTSIDE family fare, it's a very solid script. While that may not make it "as good" as Serenity, it's much better than a lot of the other movies I've seen this year.

Were I Crowe and DeCraprio, I'd be more upset about being pushed to #3 by QUARANTINE. I haven't seen it, but have heard that it's pretty weak tea. Anyone care to be angered my that?

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:23 AM

DEWRASTLER

I saw Quarantine this weekend rather than Body of Lies, even though I do plan on seeing Body of Lies later. For what is was, Quarantine was great. It was a great Halloween time movie. It was fun to be in a theater full of people as we all yelled at the screen, people screamed, they clapped for the hero, and a general tension filled the room. I was highly entertained.

I'm just surprised that with all it's big names, Body of Lies couldn't beat out a movie about dogs.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:11 AM

SINGATE

Quote:
Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I'm just surprised that with all it's big names, Body of Lies couldn't beat out a movie about dogs.

There is a simple reason family films make money and it has nothing to do with quality. If junior wants to see the movie then the whole family will be going. So we're talking between 3 and 5 tickets on average. On the other hand a PG13 or R rated will not draw in entire families. So even if the latter are quality films you won't be getting as many people per household in the theater. As much as I despise family films they are a money making machine.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:02 AM

really we do need some sort of voice tone for typing... hmmm ok you engineers out there get right on it

Now back to the original shooting... hmm now what I want to know is exactly how much do these chihuahuas make...do they recieve scale or a percentage and how does that compare to our BDH's salaries???

HUGS Causal
HUGS HK
( note alphabetical order not preference indicated in order of hugging...)

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:22 AM

SERYN

Quote:
Originally posted by singate:

As much as I despise family films they are a money making machine.

Which explains how Bratz animated movies have managed double figures...

*mumblegrumblemumble*

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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:32 PM

DEWRASTLER

Quote:
Originally posted by singate:
So even if the latter are quality films you won't be getting as many people per household in the theater. As much as I despise family films they are a money making machine.

Even given that, I would have expected Body of Lies to earn more than the $12 million it did. I guess I was wrong. And I also don't expect it to win big this weekend with Max Payne, W. (i think) and the teen comedy SexDrive all being released this weekend.

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Wednesday, October 15, 2008 8:52 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
PS) The last line of your signature is about 200 years past expiration.

JESUS CHRIST!

I haven't been around here since JUNE and it's like I never left!!

This is great!

Anyway I take exception to the "200 years" bit; I am not a bi-centinarian. I a healthy semi-centarian save 1. But really Causal I do think the sig's ship has sailed. I've gone over to the dark side.

Please, please. Don't throw a party. I'm not staying or anything. I'm just passing through. I was thinking about all of you and wanted to let you know how much I've missed you.

That said, I'm back off into the black. Got me some Reavers to eat!

Member of the Coalition for HK - Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.

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Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:01 AM

All I have to say is....ANSWER YOUR EMAILS YOU BASTARD ...HUGS Jonny:)

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

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Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:04 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

Dammit. I was still writing. How'd that happen?

Anyway, I did answer.

Sort of.

It's just over two months away...do you know where your Ghostman is?

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:10 PM