Star Wars Bullies Beat On Serenity by Suasor

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Star Wars Bullies Beat On Serenity

POSTED BY: SUASOR
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Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:51 AM

At Stargate ( http://stargate-news.com/sci-fi-poll-best-in-science-fiction.html) we are at 23.1 percent today, for the best SciFi movie. But we were 76.2 percent yesterday. Somehow, a bunch of Star Wars fans have come along and, well, you know. They are at first place with 26 percent.

You can vote there once a day. Please do so, and get all the Browncoats to help out. It's not fitting or natural for Star Wars to get more votes than Serenity. It's just not right.

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Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:48 AM

BYTEMITE

I loved the old trilogy when I was a kid, but after these new ones? I am very much in agreement.

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Monday, March 30, 2009 7:19 AM

SUASOR

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Monday, March 30, 2009 7:50 AM

STOWEAWAY

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I loved the old trilogy when I was a kid, but after these new ones? I am very much in agreement.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm still a fan of IV, V, & VI but the Lucas Empire no longer has my respect or support. Joss Whedon is my master now.

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Monday, March 30, 2009 8:05 AM

BYTEMITE

Serenity is in the lead again. All is right with the world. Measures must be taken to prevent repeat occurances.

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Monday, March 30, 2009 9:31 AM

STORYMARK

Well, I happen to still like the original Star Wars more. Sorry.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, March 30, 2009 10:11 AM

BYTEMITE

That sounds like a clicky challenge!

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Monday, March 30, 2009 10:56 AM

ANOTHERSKY

The Lucasites are always beating on somebody--figures they'd beat on the Browncoats.

On another poll, I read the comments. Nearly all the star wars ones said highly unconstructive things, in the vein of "firefly is stupid" and "serenity sucks as a spaceship", instead of useful things to say, involving the questions taught in elementary school for any thinking exercise: how, why, where, who, what.

Not once did I read "we have lasers", but I suppose the whole thing is laser envy--they want real guns, not lazer tag, and so they have to puff themselves up. :D

"I think we lost our fuzzy dice back there."
"Going for a ride."

Another Sky

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Monday, March 30, 2009 11:08 AM

BYTEMITE

Well technically, spec wise, the Millenium Falcon (closest Star Wars comparison) does beat out Serenity in the firepower, armor, shielding, and gun capacity.

But Serenity is more comfortable (protein not-withstanding), and I think her crew operates better when faced with danger or a crisis. If I had my choice, and time for the trip wasn't an option, I'd ship out on Serenity.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:20 AM

SUASOR

Lucas based his Star Wars films on the old weekly serials, that were a staple of the movies until the 1950s (I remember seeing some of them when I was a little kid, when some showed up on TV). Pure entertainment. Those serials were short form B movies. They were TV programming before TV got that good. But now, TV scifi has gone past what the movies can do. First, Firefly, then BSG and who knows what next. Lucas was going for a mass market, and he got it with all six Star Wars movies. But a lot of the audience that admired the first three, had grown beyond that style of scifi by the time the next three came along.

If the rebooted Star Trek works, maybe Lucas will get Joss to do the last three Star Wars movies. How cool would that be?

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:31 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by AnotherSky:
The Lucasites are always beating on somebody--figures they'd beat on the Browncoats.

Couldn't have anything to do with one being one of the most successfull and well-liked films in history, and the other being a marginally successfull cult film....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:53 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Star wars. meh.

I was once a Lucas worshiper. I spent my boyhood entranced by Empire Strikes Back. I had all SW facts memorized, could recite every line from episodes IV, V, & VI, and had all the toys. The release of episode I was supposed to be a spiritual moment for me and my pals...but instead I got a dose of what Mal ate in Serenity Valley. And now looking back at it, I actually went through the 5 stages of grief over it.

Denial: I denied anything was wrong with episode I. So important was SW that I needed to find the glory I'd missed. I therefore returned again and again to theaters to watch it. 1 month of the summer of 1999 was spent in this manner.

Anger: By July it had clicked home to me that SW episode I was garbage. I got mad. I railed to anyone who would listen about the flaws and idiocy of the film. I drove my girlfriend nuts and my friends to boredom with my ceseless rage. At one point I had pulled all the jar jar heads off a pack of star wars gummy snacks and impailed them on pencils at my desk.

Barganing: As 2000 drew near my anger could only go on so long and I drifted into a new state of mind. I tried to rationalize the WHY behind episode I. Perhaps there was plot in II and III that required I to be junk. Maybe there was hidden glory that would later emerge and tie everything into A New Hope. I searched for it...but in the end found nothing.

Depression: From the middle of 2000 all the way to 2002 I began to understand that the star wars I knew as a boy was dead. Completely corpse-cold dead. All the junk in the bookstores glorifying Jar Jar, podracing, and the pre-epidode II stuff overwhelmed me with sadness. I felt like nothing would fill the void.

Acceptance: One day after episode II was released I realized that I didn't care about Lucas anymore. His masterpiece was an accident and I finally saw it. Then in March of 2004 a browncoat friend handed me Firefly and I learned that there was actually hope out there for something better. I've never looked back.

Joss Whedon is my master now.
Han Shot First.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:02 AM

BYTEMITE

Actually, I STILL like the old Star Wars trilogy. I just think the acting and scripts were much better in the old ones than the new ones.

I mean, for one thing, Luke Skywalker wasn't an eight-year-old Gary Stu... And then a teenager that alternated between obnoxiously whiny or completely wooden.

If it hadn't been for that, and Jar Jar, the new movies probably could have been enjoyable. The plots weren't bad, and there were some parts that were executed pretty well.

Serenity is flat out better than the new Star Wars movies, in my opinion. Whether it's better than the old Star Wars movies is a harder fight. I look at Serenity as having advanced on the groundwork that Star Wars explored.

You can't really say Serenity is better because of it's realism and darker themes, because the charm of the old Star Wars was the gee-whiz factor and the fantasy twist it added to the Sci-Fi. Both have exciting and engaging adventure-type plots, and I can't honestly say which one I think is more exciting and engaging. In Star Wars I cheer every time the Death Star gets blown up, you can't NOT cheer. But Serenity knows how to kick you where it hurts and really make you gasp.

What you can do is examine the similar themes between the movies and look at which movies did a better job exploring them. And I think, in regards to War (at least the aftermath of it), Government, and Freedom, Serenity does better.

I also think Serenity's characters are a little more complicated, both morally and emotionally, and not in a bad way.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:13 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Star Wars & Empire were the only films I liked of the six. The writing & the dialogue in the 3 prequels are atrocious and juvenile. Lucas thinks all of us are 6 years old, and will go out and buy dolls after the movie. You watch these 3 new movies and just shake your head in disbelief at just how bad the acting is. And then of course there's the PLOT. The whole Chancellor is really the evil Emperor thing is just too ridiculous for words.

Serenity is an infinitely better movie than the last 3 Star Wars films on so many levels. The first 15 minutes of Serenity introduces you to characters and situations that are unique in the genre, and the witty and sharp dialogue keep you mesmorized for the whole movie. It's a visual feast, much more so than the oh-so-tired Star Wars hardware parade. Big difference is I CARED about the folks on Serenity. I NEVER cared about any of the so-called heroes of Star Wars, and when their "verse" was destroyed by their own stupidity, I actually cheered their demise.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:25 AM

BYTEMITE

Well, that's always how it had to be, how else would Palpatine have gained power in the Old Republic? Corruption and a reference to Rome. Maybe for you it's too obvious, but for me it was pretty much a given. I don't fault a story for choosing the path that makes sense and has historical precedence.

I'll admit all the Star Wars are a bit child-like fairy-tale in scope, like I said, I think that's the point. I didn't like the pod races, sure, but they were in agreement with the feel of the movies. And plot-wise, a pod race to get out of slavery, maybe that doesn't feel that realistic (especially when Anakin looks like an eight-year-old), but the point isn't to be realistic, it was to move the plot along in an exciting and sparkly way. For some people (mostly kids) it worked, for other people it didn't, but it was in keeping with the universe. I can let that slide.

The ACTING and DIALOGUE, however... Eugh. Those took a massive nose dive for the new movies.

Cut Anakin and Jar Jar out, and the new Star Wars would have been okay. You would have lost a major portion of the plot and the point of it all, but it would have been endurable. Unfortunately Anakin's fall from grace and his romance with Padme weren't executed well at all storyboard, cinematography, and dialogue-wise, and Christensen sure as heck couldn't carry the role.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:46 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

FF back in the lead.

"I'm a wiseass, not a dumbass. Guess who's got a date with a prostitute?! What's that damn liberal elite media saying about me now?"
-Nathan, Castle, Hell Hath No Fury

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:49 AM

STORYMARK

Funny how people keep saying Serenity is better than the SW prequels. Well, duh. There are few outside of SW message boards who would argue that, I think. Most movies are superior to the prequels on some level.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Sunday, April 5, 2009 5:45 PM

ANOTHERSKY

Here's my own little rant:

I discovered the original trilogy only 2 years before I saw Phantom Menace, fell in love and was hoping for more of the same, or better, after 20 years of tech improvement. Fail. :P

About halfway through Episode I (after all the whiz-bang after-opening-huzzah-it's-star-wars-flashies were gone)and after the umpteenth Jar-Jar idiocy, I started to daydream.

When a preteen is highly annoyed at the age-group protagonist (both in his acting and the lines given him), thinks the plot is both overly convoluted and lukewarm, that the dialogue needs to be reworked again, or at least edited for content...eh. I'll be in my bunk.

When they came out, I forced myself to sit through the other two...
"I die every time I see you" is STILL the long-distance greeting-of-choice joke among my family--we never quite got over that one.

After III, just because I still had hope (that died utterly somewhere between the younglings and the duel) I think I was grieving severely for about a week after the credits rolled. Talk about wasted opportunity--they had a enclosed world, they had characters, they had a KILLER story arc possibility...I mean, THE RISE OF DARTH VADER, EVILEST RESPIRATOR IN ALL THE GALAXY? YESSS!

But...no.

We ended up with B lines, muddled themes,poor settings and fakey love in a trilogy that was trying to be darkly epic. Inexcusable when it's not intentional (ie comic). This wasn't even in the "so bad it's funny and worth watching" category. Almost--just not quite.

But you gotta admit, Darth Maul's skillz were cool. I still watch that clip...

But overall, my rating:

"I think we lost our fuzzy dice back there."
"Going for a ride."

Another Sky

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Tuesday, April 7, 2009 6:33 AM

LEEDAVIDT

i still enjoy watching star wars.all six episodes.the only beef i have with the 1st three and the sixth episode is that...it's totally disigned for kids.
i mean,children under the age of 9 it sometimes seems.please don't get me wrong.it is an great series,however :

nothing stacks up even close to FIREFLY-SERENITY!

FF and the BDM are def for an older crowd.maybe i should say,more learned ?!

so,yes i am a big fan of star wars but
i'm a HUGE fan of the verse of Serenity.

I will ALWAYS cast my vote on SERENITY any day :)

http://www.myspace.com/leedavidt

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Wednesday, April 8, 2009 7:51 PM

BORIS

I really loved the old trilogy especially the Empire Strikes Back...probably because it came out when I was a kid, so It ties in with my childhood warm squidgy feelings, and Star wars was the only interest my brother and I shared at that stage....also, just a silly off track: the other day I was standing at the University busstop eavsdropping on two twenty-something guys talking about Star Wars....they were obviously obsessed with it and knew all the facts etc...I was having an inner giggle and thinking affectionately "what sweet geeks!" and then bent down to get my wallet only to be accosted by the sight of the Yoda figurine I have dangling off my backpack. guess I'm a sweet geek too.
Oh yeah, I like the Empire Strikes Back as much as I like Serenity.

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