C'est la Photo by PhoenixRose

( http://www.cafepress.com/sk/wilwheaton)

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/sara013

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Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:17 PM

CAZARIL

Hell's Kitten: Is the metal work at flickr yours? If so, I really like it...

The "Rome..." made me laugh, and I like the square copper and brass that you didn't (it's what got me to scroll through the images). Your Picard "There's the door" also made me laugh... Thanks

Caz

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Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:17 PM

KAREL

Flying on duct tape and a damaged registry.

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
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Tee hee!

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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:20 AM

DMI

Expired, forgotten, spoiled rotten.

I agree, excellent workmanship HK. You might just have the coolest mp3 player in the world. How heavy is that thing?

I pray for one last landing,
on the globe that gave me birth.
Let me rest my eyes on the fleecy skies
and the cool, green hills of Earth.

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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cazaril: Is the metal work at flickr yours? If so, I really like it...

Ayup, the metal work is mine. All the junk I throw into the "Fabrication" set is my work. Thank you very much for the kind words. ^__^

Quote:
Cazaril: The "Rome..." made me laugh, and I like the square copper and brass that you didn't (it's what got me to scroll through the images). Your Picard "There's the door" also made me laugh... Thanks

Heh, yeah, the "Rome..." quote is one of my favourites, and terribly appropriate for my current company. I wanted to make a large plaque for the wall, but I couldn't immediately find copper sheets large enough. XD And the Picard one came from our very own, lovely MsA. Is one of my favourites, too. ^__^

Quote:
Originally posted by DMI: I agree, excellent workmanship HK. You might just have the coolest mp3 player in the world. How heavy is that thing?

Thank you for the kindness.
The MP3 player isn't heavy at all. The wood is about a 1/16th inch thickness, and the brass is a thin gage around 0.040" or so. All in all, it's still lighter than my little cell phone. The mods to the headphones, on the other hand (if you got to those), were a bit too heavy for the earbuds, so I'm going to have to make a new pair. ((shrug))

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Friday, January 15, 2010 4:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Did I stumble onto the sexy red head thread ?

The T.Rex they call JANE!

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:03 AM

Why yes...yes you did Auraptor:)

HUGS Rose... hubba hubba!!

HK...I love that mug!! Where ever did you get it???

Briglad....brrrrrrrrrrrrr

OK baby time
Aren't they just cute at their meeting of the mutual adoration society

Tummy time

Chewin the froggy

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
HK...I love that mug!! Where ever did you get it???

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
(Tea, Earl Gray, Hot - foto)

( http://www.cafepress.com/sk/wilwheaton)

^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sara013

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:41 PM

Hallo...

((edited to save space - photos removed))

Sorry for taking up so much room here... And thank you for your time.

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:26 PM

S2cc: Nice array of objects, has depth.

s2aa: Clear, fills the space without a cluttered feel. O13 is prominent without being the main focus.

b6cc:Like the angles, like the floral object, reminds me of objects spilling out of a drawer.

b6aa: Like the composition, draws the eye in, 013 still prominent.

b4aa: Would be good for a smaller space (resolution).

I actually like them all, but those are my favorites. While I do like the stamped 013, I think it gets lost and the cutout shows off your skills a little more. I like the offset 013s better than the front-and-center ones because it draws your eye across the space and makes you look at the other objects.

(Haha objects in space.. ha. I'll go dork out somewhere else now.)

As for pricing.. well, recoup the cost of materials, the amount of time you put in at a relatively reasonable hourly rate, and double it for markup/profit margin?
(This is why art is expensive... it takes a lot of time by a skilled person. Just about anybody can operate a button on a plastic model assembly line.)

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:55 PM

Thank you for your analysis, Rosie!
((eHeart!))

Quote:
Originally posted by stinkingrose:
As for pricing.. well, recoup the cost of materials, the amount of time you put in at a relatively reasonable hourly rate,

Ah-HA! ((pounce!))
See, I have no perspective on "reasonable hourly rate".
What do hoomans consider "reasonable"?? O.O

PS> http://www.etsy.com/shop/sara013 is me

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:06 AM

The more talented you are and the harder it is to do, the more you can and should charge.

I personally *want* eleventy billion dollars an hour for my work. I do not, however, haz teh mad skillz. I would not accept minimum wage rates, because it's a lot harder than things I've done that I was willing to accept minimum wage to do, (even the coffee shop paid a little better than that).

You could snoop around and see what other artists who are doing a similar level of complexity in their work are charging and try to figure out how much of what they charge was for materials, and how much was for them.

Or you could ask artists, jewelers, and other people doing things which are not completely unsimilar to your work "so, how do you figure out what to charge for a piece?", they will probably be willing to talk.

The trick is to not charge so much that nobody wants to buy the stuff.

Your things are works of art. They are one-of a kind items which probably cannot be reproduced, or at least not in large quantities. We will not find them at Claire's Boutique next to the plastic tiaras. We will not even find them at a chain fine jewelry store. If you were able to just put some metal into a jig and bend it around and "poof" a little while later you had another one just like the first one, you'd probably be able to charge less for them. It's like a drawing vs. a print. I can get a print of someone's work, but to purchase the work I'd have to pay a lot more.

Jump in if I'm completely off base here, folks...

I'm seeing a friend today who makes dolls. Glorious angels (more like elemental spirits really) that take your breath away or make you want to cry or take them home, not nursery playthings. I'll try to remember to ask her about it.
(I'll be busy discussing eco-politics and organic lettuce-raising/gopher repelling strategies, and eating lots of nommy foods. It's the annual potluck seed order for our NOFA chapter. The root vegetables tend to absorb my attention, and discussion of tomato pollination for improved germination rates is absorbing stuff if you're of the right mindset.)

It's like this:
(Rolls a can of Dew across the floor. Points.)

"What's that?!"

See? You forget everything else for at least a fraction of a second and other things can creep in where something was.

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:26 AM

NAVYSEILS

Some pretty stuffs on display there HK, as for my thoughts on the banners...

I like the very first one, s2dd. More so than the one below it though I can't quite put my finger on why. They're almost the same image.

s2bb I do not like. It's still pretty stuffs and all, but having the 013 over on the right hand side does not work for me. Not at all. I think it looks better over on the left, and definitely no further right than center.

b6cc is probably my very favourite of the bunch though. I'd choose that. b6aa comes a close second. I could have just said that up front, but I thought you might want a lil more feedback on others too.

As for price... I have no idea. If you enjoy making the items and aren't too bothered to see them leave your possession when you're finished, maybe you could start pricing fairly low, enough to make back cost of materials and gain a lil profit, then creep them up a bit and see how people react? When folks are saying "OMFG!!11! No wai!" then you went too far.

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:06 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

s2aa is probably my favorite layout, I like the off-center 013 and the other elements. b6cc is another favorite; it has a lot of variation of color in the objects and the layout has rhythm. I also like b6aa a lot, though I'm not sure the 013 is quite visible enough; it's almost going off the page. To me, that creates some visual interest, but that kind of thing can be very hit-or-miss with different people.

I don't know what the going rate is for metal-worker artisans, but I would say your skillz are worth not much less than $20 an hour, possibly a good deal more.

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:24 AM

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Originally posted by Navyseils:
I like the very first one, s2dd. More so than the one below it though I can't quite put my finger on why.

I think it's cuz that damn silver thing at the right in 2cc doesn't match the colouring of anything else in that banner.
It drove me crazy, so I had to remove it for 2dd. XD

Thank you guys very much for your input.
I *really* do appreciate it.
I've always struggled with this, as being an enginerd has skewed my perspective about 15 degrees from reality. Heh.

So, based on what I'm reading here...
...if I charge less than eleventy billion dollars an hour,
I should be okay.
Excellent! XD

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by stinkingrose:
It's like this:
(Rolls a can of Dew across the floor. Points.)

"What's that?!"

See? You forget everything else for at least a fraction of a second and other things can creep in where something was.

((pounce!!!)) You do not roll the Dew!!!

O.O!!!

Wait... what?

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:11 AM

HOBBLEIT

here's new pics of me

first one was taken at the National Railway Museum in York

and the second was taken at the York Dungeon

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http://www.myspace.com/muddy_waters
http://www.freewebs.com/hobbleit

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:06 AM

KAREL

Flying on duct tape and a damaged registry.

For HK --

I vote for b6cc. And wow. And how.

How much to charge... well, being an engineer and all, you could come up with a number, but you may not like the result if you work it back to dollars per hour! Could be a scary prospect, given a throw-away society and China.

I think the upshot is to know how much material cost there is, how long it takes, and what the market will bear; versus how much you need to make, free and clear of all other costs.

A friend of mine makes custom leather sight hound martingale collars. When he started out, he took a W.A.G. at pricing *snort*. He hung it up at one point citing that he had no time and made no money. We talked about it a bit, and made a list of costs (time and money). We both came up with things the other did not think of. Then we pulled out a calculator. It came to light that he was making negative dollars per hour! No wonder they sold so well, eh? He's back into it now. Sales are way down, but "profits" are up!

P.S. I might have some customers for you.
P.P.S. MalsWay would like the full pics to make wallpaper for her Droid. Because they are cool.

"Whatever is wrong with you is so right for me." -- Marillion.

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:01 PM

I spoke with my friend. She said it's a perennial bitch to figure out prices.

Turns out she makes about $5 an hour when all's said and done, but if she asks for more people think it's overpriced. She says people seem to think 50 cents an hour is fair wages.

She said Etsy was good, and suggested you check out Scuttlebutt (online) and a magazine for artists I've completely forgotten the name of but I think it had the word "calendar" in it.

So, more photo?

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:58 PM

HK sorry too distracted by the lovely shiny things, but the second one caught my eye the most....and how soon can we buy ???

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:01 PM

KAREL

Flying on duct tape and a damaged registry.

Quote:
Originally posted by hobbleit:
here's new pics of me

Yay for hobbleit pics!

"Whatever is wrong with you is so right for me." -- Marillion.

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:15 PM

SISTER

My vote is with b6cc. Love the angles. Hi everyone. Been busy as hell. Hope all are well.

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

HK: Me, I like S2BB the best. It shows off the most of your objects, skills, and styles, it seems, while keeping your trademark (013) small and subtle, almost an inside joke as it were.

Also, B6CC has a wonderful graphical layout, the way everything seems to have the same lean angle in that one.

By the way, calling your online store Warehouse 013 might be a perfect fit, since that show (Warehouse 13) has a steampunk-y feel to it. But you might not want yourself associated with it; I don't know.

Anyway, once you put stuff up and start selling, let us know. I love your work. It's beautiful stuff, and I love the rugged hand-made look of it. Wish I could afford to contract you to do me a cover for my iPod...

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:28 PM

Sorry, PhoenixRose, for hijacking your photo thread.

I didn't mean to...! But I am grateful for everyone's feedback and compliments.

Thank you, everyone. ^__^

Quote:
Originally posted by Karel:
Then we pulled out a calculator. It came to light that he was making negative dollars per hour!

((snort!)) Yeah, I don't wanna make unmoney. XD

Quote:
P.P.S. MalsWay would like the full pics to make wallpaper for her Droid. Because they are cool.

If I understood what that meant (that is English, yeah?)...
...I would have a greater chance of being more helpful. XD

Quote:
Originally posted by Sister:
Hi everyone. Been busy as hell. Hope all are well.

Awww...!
Hello, Sweetheart.
It's nice to read you again. ^__^

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, calling your online store Warehouse 013 might be a perfect fit, since that show (Warehouse 13) has a steampunk-y feel to it. But you might not want yourself associated with it; I don't know.

LOL! Cute. ^__^
But I'm not really a fan of the show...
...not yet, anyway.
I am looking forward to seeing what the next season has to offer, before making final judgement.

Quote:
Wish I could afford to contract you to do me a cover for my iPod...

Aw, thank you for the compliment.
When it comes to commissions for tech mods, though, I really don't think it's possible for me to make anything for something that I don't actually own. For my MP3 player, I used it every step of the way for measuring and fitting. That's the only good way of making sure all the access ports are accessible and the screen isn't partially covered.... I have been thinking about picking up broken tech, though, so I could at least have templates available if someone should ask for them. A bunch of my friends want me to start making iPhone cases, so I may end up doing that sooner rather than later. ((shrug))...

Quote:
Originally posted by stinkingrose:
I spoke with my friend. She said it's a perennial bitch to figure out prices.

Thank you very much for speaking with her about it, Rosie. I do appreciate it muchly. I think, based on what people are saying both here and at another place, I'm going to remain grateful that my "art" will be greatly subsidized by my dayjob. XD

Quote:
So, more photo?

Er...... 'kay.... (?)

For thread tithe --

December make-up test for the Annual Company Holiday Part (I couldn't bring myself to wear anything "corporate"):

January found me with a new black and gray, elasticy scarf thingie:

Aaaaaand... For my pocket watch, I finally got around to making a chain for her. Assembled from a bunch of found bits. It was odd working with silver and silver-coloured things again (yep, I even had to make the key for winding and setting the watch). But I ((heart)) my pocket watch, and she ((heart)) me back by strongly ticking away:

(All photos = all rights reserved)

Okay. That's it. I'll shut up now.

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Monday, January 18, 2010 5:04 AM

I love it when old tech continues to work. Especially when it's just as good as the day they set it in motion.

(With the exception of Mayan Giant Killer Robots...those can completely fail to work and I'm OK with it.)

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Monday, January 18, 2010 11:34 AM

NAVYSEILS

I always kinda wanted a wind up pocket watch... there's just something cool about them. They'd go well with my monocle and top hat too. Ok I dont really own a monocle and top hat... but someday I might.

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Monday, January 18, 2010 3:23 PM

KWICKO

That chain is just gorgeous, HK!

And yes, you SHOULD start taking "donations" of dead tech, just so you can use them as templates if you want to make some stuff to go with them.

Also, consider "limited run" stuff, too - numbered, of course. Create demand by limiting supply!

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Monday, January 18, 2010 6:40 PM

STEGASAURUS

New pick of my little man wrestling with his monkey he got for Christmas.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:07 AM

Aww monkey love:) So cute Stego

HK- can I commission you to make a brass baby rattle?? I would love to see what you'd do with that concept plus subsidizing art is fun and your art is so amazing it'd be such an awesome heirloom piece:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
HK- can I commission you to make a brass baby rattle?? I would love to see what you'd do with that concept plus subsidizing art is fun and your art is so amazing it'd be such an awesome heirloom piece:)

......... ZOMFG!!!!!

I have a new project now. ^__^

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:41 PM

GORRAMGROUPIE

Love the pocket watch and chain, now of course I am jealous and will pout about not having shiney neat things.

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

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Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:01 PM

CAZARIL

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
December make-up test for the Annual Company Holiday Part (I couldn't bring myself to wear anything "corporate"):

Do I even want to know what your day job is?

I have two images running though my head...

1) You have some boring/bland kind of a job, that requires you to dress conservatively, and people are shocked when they meet "The real you"...

2) You have some boring/bland kind of a job, and people are shocked when they meet you (Think: Pauley Perrette's Abby Sciuto on NCIS).

As for your banners.. I like the basic layout of b6aa (especially that style 13). But I'd prefer to see the piece on the far right of b6bb and b6cc, between the 13 and watch, maybe leaning on the watch and flashdrive. Then in place of what is on the far right, replace it with the round brass/cooper Kanji (partly because it would balance the coloring on both sides, and partly because I really like those pieces).

But the reality is that any of those would work well as a banner... My problem is that you have so many really nice pieces, I'd like to find a way to get them all in the shot (which then stops being a banner, and becomes wallpaper

)..

Caz

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Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:45 AM

ROXYFREEFALL

Woman, you are completely off your nut.

Well, I'm a bit late on the banner voting, but I'm lovin' the object composition in b6bb. Oh, and the site is bookmarked and waiting for the additions. Can't wait to see what you come up with, HK.

Been a while, here's my addition to the thread. I can't remember if I posted this here, but here's my second attempt at a fauxhawk. Finally worked after I got all my hair cut off.

I'm hoping I can pull it off to go with the costume I'm designing for D*C. That's if I can lose enough weight by then... I'm gettin' there!

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DFTBA!

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Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:06 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER

WOWZA!!!!!! soooohot Roxy

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-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

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Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
WOWZA!!!!!! soooohot Roxy

Don't think I've ever seen NVG write "WOWZA!!!!" before... XD

So I'ma guess it's MsA.
And she's right.

Roxy: You look fantastic. ^__^

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Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:55 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER

If'n it were in my vo-ca-bul-ary I might have said it. Alas, my hetero life partner has posted in my stead.

*IDENTITY CRISIS*

Missing my old AR and stereoscopic vision.

---pout---

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 2:26 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER

and I'm doing it again...MSA here

LOL HK yes you know me so well.. t'was me

and now....
Cute pics of baby playing with the toy Rose bought him ( its the only one he likes at this point)

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

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Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:38 AM

FLATTOP

Been off wandering for a while...

HK - B6CC gets my vote. The angle of the shot really draws my eye, makes me want to stare & figure out everything in the frame.
Preferred this one to B6BB because of the 013 used, I like the ?brass on copper? version.

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Thursday, February 4, 2010 9:05 AM

Squeee HK I am so excited about the rattle:) I can't wait to see what you come up with. It shall be marvelous

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Thursday, February 4, 2010 10:02 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
the only one he likes at this point

Glad that its award and expert approvals were justified

So I have nothing new to share. Perhaps I'll take photos of some of the design projects I've been doing sometime soon, and load those. I'm pretty pleased with the most recent one.
And perhaps when my recently diagnosed insulin resistance is corrected and I'm down to a healthy weight, I'll show off my own self

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Thursday, February 4, 2010 10:39 AM

BRIGLAD

Another cold day at work.

Back woods of Barton Vermont overlooking Crystal Lake (out of frame) About 5 degrees F with a -10 Windchill. View is nice though...

And the general store in the next town over (Glover) has every thing... Including a stuffed Black Bear and Moose.

And not just the moose head but the whole dang thing!!!!

Brian

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Friday, February 5, 2010 9:19 AM

HUGS Rose...

Moose are so much bigger than I ever realized. I saw a moose at Cabelas and was really surprised at how big they are

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Friday, February 5, 2010 10:16 AM

STEGASAURUS

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
HUGS Rose...

Moose are so much bigger than I ever realized. I saw a moose at Cabelas and was really surprised at how big they are

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

Came all the way out to Reno and didn't let me know, eh?

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Friday, February 5, 2010 11:05 AM