My Car's Window Derailed by RahlMaclaren

Dude, brace yourself- you're gonna have to take the door apart to see what's wrong. That or pay a mechanic.
My old Mustang's passenger window shattered, and I either paid $100 for a new window, or made a window out of plexiglass (I had some lying around), and permanently in a closed position. I opted the latter.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, September 11, 2010 10:21 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Yup, either it goes to the shop, or you learn how to pop the interior panel off and have a look-see for yourself.

If it's power windows, probably the regulator is bad. I've had it happen a couple times. I suck at working on car doors - long arms, big hands - so I diagnosed it and took it to a friendly garage.

If it's manual windows, it might just be a little plastic "clip" that hold the glass panel to the track the window cranks up and down on. I've had that happen on one of my Hondas, and it was easy enough to replace that I did it myself.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:46 PM

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Do power windows have those clips, too? 'Cause that sounds like my problem.

The power window motor seems to work fine, it's just trying to move a window that's not properly attached.

And.... because Rogue Squadron won't even INSTALL on Win 7, Win 7 really, really sucks!

[Jerry Stiller voice] SERENITY (2) NOW!!!

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 2:00 PM

I'm betting they do, in some form or fashion. I haven't gone into the power window-equipped doors at all, except to verify that the driver's window on my Dodgy Durango is well and truly f**ked; bits of plastic wheels and gears fell out when I popped the panel off, so I glued the window in place with super-glue, put the panel back on, and went to take a nap, having completed what I considered a good day's work. :)

Do you have the shop manual showing how to get the interior panel off the door? If not, look around online a bit; you can usually pull one up somewhere. What did you say it was, a '93 Alero? If so, just Google "1993 Olds Alero factory manual online download" and see what comes up. I've downloaded several PDF copies of manuals that way over the years - I generally buy the hardcopy for whatever car I'm working on at the moment, but the PDF is handy if you're at a junkyard with your laptop...

Anytho, good luck with it; one way or another, someone's going to have to get into that door to see what's what, I'm afraid.

ETA: Sorry, I just looked up and realized it's a Cutlass Ciera, so google that, not the Alero! Also, Frem may be of some help, being (if I recall) an Olds guru himself. I'll see if I can dig him up and send him this way!

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Do you have the shop manual showing how to get the interior panel off the door? If not, look around online a bit; you can usually pull one up somewhere.

That's CHEATING!!!
Where does THAT get fun?
Where's the DISCOVERY of hidden bolts & fasteners?
Where's the triumph, the victory over slick engineering?
Manuals suck anyway! They say it's one way, then it's another anyhow!!!

Do it on the fly, says I.

The DIY Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 2:31 PM

CANTTAKESKY

Sigh. I miss, I MISS, my 92 Olds Cutlass Ciera. Best new car I've ever owned.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 2:46 PM

Heh, I still own the best new car I ever owned!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 2:53 PM

I agree on the best car. My Saturn SL that I bought new is going on 19 years old and I love just as much now as the day I bought it. I was destroyed when they shut Saturn down.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:08 PM

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Originally posted by jake7:
I agree on the best car. My Saturn SL that I bought new is going on 19 years old and I love just as much now as the day I bought it.

195,000 miles on mine in 11 years. Still flyin'.
Well, drivin'.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:15 PM

I don't have that many miles despite owning it for it's entire life. I'm somewhere in the 160,000 range -- I'm not sure. My odometer broke last year and I've not been able to find someone willing to fix the gear that needs to be changed out. Plus, I want my odometer moved forward to more closely reflect the actual miles on the car. I've been having to track my mileage (as best I can) manually.

Everyone thinks I'm nuts for keeping it. I have a stick shift and during good weather during the summer can get up to 41mpg! If I have to use my A/C for an extended period of time, it drops to about 35mpg.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by jake7:
I have a stick shift and during good weather during the summer can get up to 41mpg! If I have to use my A/C for an extended period of time, it drops to about 35mpg.

Mine is stick as well, and I get 40 mph highway as long as my tires are properly inflated.
My AC died 4 years ago & I never bothered to get it fixed.

My MANUAL windows never blew a motor, my non-powered steering & brakes never failed on me, the only thing I dislike is that you can leave the lights on without the key in the ignition.
That's what my jumper cables are for.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:41 PM

Jake, I just thought about it- 19 YEARS???? Is yours a DOHC? Mine is a SOHC- I don't know if it can last as long...

Wow. This is turning into "Car Talk."

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:51 PM

WISHIMAY

Wow, sounds like I'm in good company!

We're debating whether or not to take my other half's pointA-B 1998? Mercury Sable to the junkyard now.

It has 367,000 miles!

An antenna permanently bent backwards and tied to the rear-view from hitting 3 deer.

It's totally missing a couple running light covers.

A little gas panel damage from a small accident in Wally world's parking lot so I drilled a hole in the underpanel and bolted it togeter to keep it from flapping in the wind

A skylight that somebody rigged that hasn't worked since soon after we bought it in 2003. At least it's closed...

The steering wheel is a tiny bit... bent. Don't ask how THAT happened. It also pops when you go around curves.

The driver's side window will only close if you push on it from the outside.

The A/C blew years ago...

The boots are really bad and the starter has a dead spot so you have to hit it with a prybar to get it to start.

Still, it has a good stereo in it..So we're still debating...

Will let you know what we get come tax-return time.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:58 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Jake, I just thought about it- 19 YEARS???? Is yours a DOHC? Mine is a SOHC- I don't know if it can last as long...

Wow. This is turning into "Car Talk."

Yep, 19 this coming January. You know, I don't remember which it is!! I do know the day the car was "born" (Jan 18, 1992) I got to pick it up a few days later. I remember several years into ownership when I was at the dealer, they had a car around the same age as mine that had over 400K miles on it and it was still the original engine. This was quite a few years ago now. The guy didn't want to turn his car in, but figured he was pushing his luck and bought another Saturn. They had it in the showroom for quite some time.

That car is just me. Just the thought of not having it around makes me sad. It was stolen about 7 years ago and I was lucky I got it back. those were the worst 13 days of my life -- and I was basically homeless for two years!

There has only been one car that has ever turned my head from my beloved Saturn -- the Saab 93 2.0 Turbo. I had to rent a car for a weekend and they ran out and I got to drive it for the lower price. Nice, nice car.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:08 PM

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Originally posted by jake7:
It was stolen about 7 years ago and I was lucky I got it back. those were the worst 13 days of my life -- and I was basically homeless for two years!

Okay, now you have to lay out the whole story- you can't leave us all hanging like that...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:12 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by jake7:
It was stolen about 7 years ago and I was lucky I got it back. those were the worst 13 days of my life -- and I was basically homeless for two years!

Okay, now you have to lay out the whole story- you can't leave us all hanging like that...

Which story?

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:26 PM

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Originally posted by jake7:

Which story?

Homeless for two years? Were you living in your Saturn? I mean, it has cup holders & stuff, and you can flip down the rear seats to make lots of room for sleeping....

Edited to add: OH. I get it- losing your Saturn was worse than being homeless, sorry, I read that wrong. Colour me a dumass.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:33 PM

No, I didn't have to live in my car. I thought I was going to have to, but instead wasted precious dollars living in the cheapest dive motel around. It gets very cold here in winter and very hot in summer, so I needed somewhere with actual heat and a/c.

It was a nightmare living amongst the dregs of humanity (drunks, drug addicts, hookers -- it was a menagerie, really) and dealing with a psychotic (literally) part-owner who threatened people's lives on a regular basis. If it hadn't been for the manager at the time, I would have lost my mind.

It was hard finding a place where I could live as it was, but when he threatened to turn me into "ground beef", I hightailed it out of there and ended up in a really crappy apartment (no so much in looks, but it's badly built and very noisy) where I've been for the past year and a half.

I'm still trying to find a decent place to live, but I can't afford much so that make things a bit of a challenge.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:49 PM

My Son, Wife & I lived in a cheap, ant infested beach shack for a year- it's crazy what we live with sometimes, eh?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:51 PM

To say the least. I keep trying to tell myself these things are "character builders", but, quite frankly, I'm not sure how much more character I need! LOL

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:57 PM

Hang in there, you might write a hi-larious book about it someday & get rich!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:58 PM

If I could remember everything that happened...I probably could! Unfortunately, (or maybe it's fortunate?) my memory is terrible now and I don't remember things like I used to.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:03 PM

Verdict: You're screwed, that's one job that really does need not only specialized knowledge, but specialized tools - even a mad engineer like me is gonna have trouble with that one, and boy am I ever since the ex just informed me HER power windows just did the same thing (on a Dodge Dakota, the pickup version of the Durango, so if you know how, SPILL!) and imma wind up having to fix that, I know it, arrrrghh.

Problem up my way is four fer four, the last four places I have taken my car have either not fixed the problem, or made it worse, and each time I wound up TAKING the car back (once by threat of force!) and completing the repairs myself.

Oh, and I once spent a winter in baltimore with a park bench as my primary residence, and had to fight for it more than once, with a crumpled, bleeding, infected leg I couldn't walk on which eventually had to be sawed off - be thankful for a ROOF, meh.

I ain't all that fond of Olsmobile, and the Aleros laundry list of horrible defects, but the engine, transmission, and mechanically important stuff is as solid as the day she rolled off the line - everything else, however, is broke, including the trunk latch, my trunk is held down inside by a pair of pallet straps, actually.

-Frem

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:05 PM

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Wow, sounds like I'm in good company!

We're debating whether or not to take my other half's pointA-B 1998? Mercury Sable to the junkyard now.

It has 367,000 miles!

If nothing major has gone wrong yet, keep it - it's not like anything's going to break tomorrow!

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An antenna permanently bent backwards and tied to the rear-view from hitting 3 deer.

It's totally missing a couple running light covers.

Easy junkyard fixes.

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A little gas panel damage from a small accident in Wally world's parking lot so I drilled a hole in the underpanel and bolted it togeter to keep it from flapping in the wind

Again, easy enough to fix.

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A skylight that somebody rigged that hasn't worked since soon after we bought it in 2003. At least it's closed...

Not an easy fix; leave it alone.

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The steering wheel is a tiny bit... bent. Don't ask how THAT happened. It also pops when you go around curves.

Probably one of the deer did the steering wheel.

The popping sound is the CV joints (the front drive axles). They're bad, and will break at some point. Replace both axles.

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The driver's side window will only close if you push on it from the outside.

Hey, at least it works, right? :)

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The A/C blew years ago...

Game over. When the A/C goes, the car goes.

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The boots are really bad and the starter has a dead spot so you have to hit it with a prybar to get it to start.

The boots are why the CV joints have gone bad. They crack, dirt gets into the joint and starts grinding the joint down, acting like sandpaper or a sandblaster, just eating away at it, all while the grease is spinning out of the joint and leaving it unlubricated, and thus increasing the damage further.

The starter has a bad solenoid, and can be rebuilt for about $40, and will then last another 300,000 miles or so...

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Still, it has a good stereo in it..So we're still debating...

Well, you can always keep the stereo. :)

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:09 PM

So write down what you DO remember NOW!!

I even got a title for ya:

"My Saturn Sojourns"

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:11 PM

LOL! Good one.

Actually, I wrote many emails about the trials and tribulations of living in that hell hole. I saved them, so I could probably piece things together. LOL

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:23 PM

Shit, Frem - sorry to hear about the Dakota. She's screwed. I can't figure anything out on this damned Durango, and it's got VERY limited access into the inner workings of the door, even once you get the door panel itself worked loose. And as I said, on mine, once I did that, I just found a loose handful of broken plastic bits, all of which looked like they probably served some integral function in getting the windows up and down. I could easily slide the window up and down, but it wouldn't STAY up, and would slowly creep down, so I just glued that shit closed. I don't do drive-thru anymore. :)

The funny part is, the car is less than ten years old, and had exactly 17,000 miles when I got it. And it wasn't working then. The driver's-side rear window doesn't work at all, either. Passenger-side windows work, but ONLY from the panel on the driver's door. The A/C is fantastic, though, and will freeze you out in the Texas summer! That alone makes it worth the price (well, that and the fact that the price was FREE...).

Meanwhile, my trusty old daily-driver CRX sits alone and forlorn, desperately awaiting some attention, or my muse to return, or something. It was stolen a couple years ago, and recovered - trashed - a month later, after being severely joyridden and beaten to shit. She was my baby, my toy, and that just took it out of me. After that, the car was just never the same for me, and I just drove her after that, and never even bothered to wash her anymore. Getting run off the road last year (SUV driver on the phone, of course, who never noticed nor stopped; go figure) and smacking a curb hard enough to break both driver's-side wheels and blow the tires didn't do anything for the alignment, either. The car now feels AMAZINGLY unstable at freeway speeds - enough so that I won't take it on the highway for any length of time. It used to cruise effortlessly at 120mph, but now feels like it's desperate to swap ends at 60mph, exhibiting behavior I can only describe as simultaneous understeer AND oversteer. Downright creepy, it is. It tweaked the whole chassis, too; the front fender on that side no longer lines up with the door.

I really should either sell it off as a beater project car, or strip it for the good parts that are still there (especially the custom-geared transmission that I built by hand for her) and send the carcass to the crusher, but it's been too sad for me to think about. She rolled off the line in Suzuka on August 22, 1991 - and by mid-September they were selling the Del Sol, the CRX's "replacement", so she was one of the very last CRXs ever built, and I hate to see her go... Still, it's probably time.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:54 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Probably one of the deer did the steering wheel.

Oh, lord.. It MUST be late, am laughing histerically at the thought of a deer with a sheepish grin waving a hoof at me from behind a crooked wheel...

Hooh! Ok, I'm allright...

Truth is, we were still kinda new ta being married when we got it and that wheel saw some really, REALLY good times and some not so good times. Never let a large man drive when he's angry.....

Listenin' to you all I suddenly feel pretty lucky, we lived in a shitty mobile home for the better part of our married lives without any a/c for two of 'em and down to our last freakin' dollar a couple times, but we always had a roof. Guess I'll go ta bed a little bit more thankful tonight.

Keep your chin up, people, we're all still flyin' anyhow....

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Sunday, September 12, 2010 6:08 PM

Okay, just cause I got that damn lucky on a web search in between rounds, guys.

Olds Cutlass Power Window Diagnose & Repair.

Dodge Dakota Power Window Diagnose & Repair.

Gawd I love the internet!

-Frem

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Monday, September 13, 2010 1:40 AM

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Great, a Youtube link.

I don't suppose anyone can make a transcript of it, since it was me who started the SLOWEST CONNECTION EVER (paraphrasing) thread.

Thank you all for your efforts, so far.

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Monday, September 13, 2010 2:42 AM

Oh man, it'd be nuts to even try, but tellya what I'll do...

Check your PMs for an Email address, send a reply to it and I can cull the file to FLV or MP4 formats, I know it'll be a bitch to download, but seriously, you're gonna NEED the video to get the job done, it's kinda nuts.

The FLV runs 22 megs, the MP4 is bigger, so we'll try the FLV first - Applians player is small and not too resource intensive.
http://www.applian.com/flvplayer/

I can maybe compress the file to a Zip or 7z archive if it'll help, but honestly there's no way you're gonna pull this off solo without the vid.

-Frem

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Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:57 PM

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Ok, I watched the video at the library.*

You know, I would cut pieces off my car, except for one nagging issue... I like my Cutlass.

(Sorry Frem. There's no way I'm taking a scalpel to the Red Raven.)

Stuff I learned the vid: 1) It's simpler than I thought (Like so many other things about my car). 2) That cut in the panel, below where the seatbelt gets sucked under, is supposed to be there. Ohhh. 3) What NOT to do when I do it. (The guy in the video was probably just rough with the car to keep the runtime of the vid low.)

However, the video doesn't go far enough. I need to be able get to the window so I can maneuver it back into its home.

With the plastic panels off, I would probably see enough to do it, or at least find more bolts to undo.

*Shit. Realization. http://www.tlzone.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27457&d=12446
75809 I was at the library!!! I could have looked for a damn repair manual!!!

*long heavy sigh*

Oh, and Win 7 OFFICIALLY sucks.

I installed Space Rangers 2 (one of my top 5 fave games of all time) to use the higher end goodies that come with the game. Upon first running the game, it asked me to restart my computer (A lot games do that). As the PC's booting up, it finds some kind of "error" it needs to fix. After, I get back to my desktop and notice the SR2 shortcut is gone. I check the SR2 directory. HALF THE GAME WAS DELETED!!! WTF!?

*channels Milton*

Ok, that... that's the last straw.

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Wednesday, September 15, 2010 6:48 AM

Ayep, I learned my lesson with that Vista crap, that stupid laptop is at the bottom of my closet (because OF COURSE you can't get XP drivers for it's hardware, and this'll be your problem, too) and I rebuilt my trusty old machine from the mainboard up with WinXP SP2 - and with JUMPER SET hardware instead of flaky, glitchy, plug-n-pray crap that tends to re-allocate itself and cause a crash JUST when you need it to work the most!

As for the car, you've got the basic knowledge now, and I too found the manner in which the guy did it something of a hack job, pun intended, so what you'll have to do to avoid cutting is add a step - you're going to have to dismantle the door, and here's the problem with that...

Some of those attachment points listed as using screws or bolts - they'll be welded, almost every car I have worked on has occasionally had tack welds instead of bolts, most notoriously that friggin Kia of my ex's - which, mind you, went to the crusher a couple months ago, since no mechanic in town would touch it, and only mad-engineering miracles kept it runnin in the first place, do NOT buy a Kia, no Haynes, Chilton or Clymer manual exists, and the only way you can get specs is hacking, then raiding the KGIS system for service bulletins and even then they don't match up 1-for-1 cause they are NOT designed to be repaired, ever.

SO, you're likely to run into welds, which means you'll have to break them, then drill a hole, then put a bolt or screw in there yourself, if you don't have an arc welder handy, that is - best way to do that is a thin-edge prybar wrapped in duct tape to keep from unintentially gouging up or through the rest of the metal, and work it like trying to lift a stuck pancake, provided you can GET to them - make sure to have one with a really long handle, natch.

The window is easy enough to lift out and arrange either from inside, or if yer a smartass like me, a suction cup widget will the do the job ever so handily.
http://www.amazon.com/Power-Puller-Suction-Cup-Handle-Capacity/dp/B003
A1ATHU

And that's about all the help I can offer ya, but if I think of anythin else, I'll pass it along.

-Frem

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Wednesday, September 15, 2010 6:57 AM

Hold up a minnit, I THOUGHT I saw it back there - I gotta Haynes... only it's for the Olds Cutlass Supreme 1988-1995, but it should be the same system, right ?

*Lookin it up*

Annnnd it says...

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Because of the complexity of the power window system and the special tools and techniques required for a diagnosis, repair should be left to a dealer service department or a repair shop.
However it is possible for the home mechanic to make simple checks of the wiring connections and motors for minor faults which can be easily repaired, these include:
(amounts to lookin for loose wires and blown fuses)

*Throws Haynes manual across room*

I suppose it's a couple years too late to demand my money back for that piece of crap, eh - fekk me but if I wanted "Take it to a shop" I coulda got that for FREE, not having to do that is why I *GOT* these mother-lovin manuals.

There, I just saved you a trip to the library.

Good luck!

-Frem

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Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:11 PM

OPTIMUS1998

edited cuz i have problems with image links...

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Wow, sounds like I'm in good company!

We're debating whether or not to take my other half's pointA-B 1998? Mercury Sable to the junkyard now.

It has 367,000 miles!

An antenna permanently bent backwards and tied to the rear-view from hitting 3 deer.

It's totally missing a couple running light covers.

A little gas panel damage from a small accident in Wally world's parking lot so I drilled a hole in the underpanel and bolted it togeter to keep it from flapping in the wind

A skylight that somebody rigged that hasn't worked since soon after we bought it in 2003. At least it's closed...

The steering wheel is a tiny bit... bent. Don't ask how THAT happened. It also pops when you go around curves.

The driver's side window will only close if you push on it from the outside.

The A/C blew years ago...

The boots are really bad and the starter has a dead spot so you have to hit it with a prybar to get it to start.

Still, it has a good stereo in it..So we're still debating...

Will let you know what we get come tax-return time.

if it's a Sable, and the antenna is in the front fender, it either pre-96, or 2005+.(Really 08+, the 06&07 models were called the Montego) The 96-05 models had it located on the left rear fender.
Buddy of mine's grandma, and now his little sis, had/has 96 sable, he had 97 Taurus, and my mom has a 99 Taurus. I know these cars.
1st Gen (86-91)

2nd Gen (92-95) ( image below is a Taurus, for some reason the sable wouldn't display)

3rd Gen (96-99)

4th Gen (00-05)

good news is, if it's engine the 3.0 v6 (not the DOHC version), the engine will go on forever with basic maintenance.
( the good ol' ford Vulcan 3.0L engine. Built here in Lima, OH. the armpit of the universe)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Vulcan_V6_engine
( We now build the Duratec 3.5 ford is putting in friggin everything)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cyclone_engine#Duratec_35

http://www.teamcoco.com

I was a Lima loser for 29 years before "glee" introduced us to the term. -ME

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Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:51 PM

OPTIMUS1998

on a side note, my uncle finally got rid of his 95 Bonneville Last Year.
Just over 300,000 mi. Did the Cash for clunkers, got an '10 Hyundai Tuscon.

He Bought that car new, drove the hell out of it for 11 years, traded it in on his '06 Lincoln Zephyr(got them to give him 2 grand), 2 weeks later, the dealer called him back asked him if he wanted to buy it back, cuz the auction wouldn't touch it (too many miles), They wanted (of course) $2,000., he offered $800.
They took it.
Used it as his around town car for 4 more years.

http://www.teamcoco.com

I was a Lima loser for 29 years before "glee" introduced us to the term. -ME

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Sunday, October 10, 2010 6:46 PM

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

*is 2 weeks late with this post*

It's fixed!

While I was sleeping during day that I would start night shift, my dad borrowed the car, and took it to the local glass shop.

Don't have all details (cause I was asleep), but it sounds like they have no problem opening up a door.

I hear the hardest part for them was scrounging around for one of those window clip things.

Total cost: $25!

And all the gadgets still work.

Again, thank you all for your efforts.

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Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:02 PM