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If thats what you think, then how did you come to be here?

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Originally posted by Spookyjesus:
What's the Magna Carta?

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Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:
Firstly, Firefly is a great TV show and I enjoy watching the DVD; but (and this is kind of big, so some of you might need to pay attention here) IT'S JUST A TV SHOW! It isn't the Magna Carta, or Shakespear (although the jokes are better).

The fact that messages get answered in the same vernacular as the series is (like) so disturbing.

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Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:

Is this a cult now? Do you people have alters to Joss Whedon? I bet many of you have Starfleet uniforms, too...

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
BTW, Shakespeare was never meant to be read, it has to be performed to be truly appreciated.

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You could say it's the British equivalent of the US constitution, only a lot older...

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
...this is the first time I have become obsessive about a show, and I feel there is no reason that I or any other Firefly fan should be ashamed of it..

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
BTW, Shakespeare was never meant to be read, it has to be performed to be truly appreciated.

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True but even on the stage it's still overated in my opinion. Across the English speaking world Shakespeare is lauded as a being the virtual pinacle of excellence and other than a few plays (if acted well which puts much of the credit on actor not author) it just doesn't match up to the hype.

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Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:
Shakespear is "lauded" as you put it over not just the English speaking world. And for good reason. Actors merely read lines and try to give the right emotion to them. How can you say that Shakespear's work was the actor's achievement? That's just dumb! So Nathan is the real talent in Firefly. The writing is meaningless?

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I think you missed my point somewhat, mate. I obviously wasn't talking about you. I was talking about people who actually reply to messages in character as in the show.

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Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:
Shakespear (although the jokes are better).

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Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:
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The fact that messages get answered in the same vernacular as the series is (like) so disturbing. Is this a cult now? Do you people have alters to Joss Whedon? I bet many of you have Starfleet uniforms, too...
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I am also not suffering from multiple personality disorder. Me neither.

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Roses are red
violets are blue
I'm schizophrenic
And so am I

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Originally posted by Shadesiren:
wow.. you know, I was truly offended, there, for a second.

Still, dude, seriously, this is like a black going into a KKK rally - you KNOW there's going to be trouble, and it's all gonna be aimed at you. (Not a great analogy, on the taste side of things, but it gets the point across.)

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Offensive? A black? A black what? I think that's a great analogy. Sounds like I am in a KKK meeting...

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
...at least lend out the DVDs and keep working to raise awareness so the movie is a success in September. Success means at least one sequel if not two. That's the bottom line.

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Ah, so there is going to be a movie! Great. Hope one of the studios does decide that a series would be a worthwhile idea lol.

That's one thing I really don't get: They must've made a fortune from Buffy and Angel, so why cut Firefly after only one series? Is it coz there aren't any aliens in it? I can't see any other reason. It's the best sci-fi series in years. Lexx still manages to keep going and that got s**t after series 2!

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Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:
Ah, so there is going to be a movie! Great. Hope one of the studios does decide that a series would be a worthwhile idea lol.

That's one thing I really don't get: They must've made a fortune from Buffy and Angel, so why cut Firefly after only one series? Is it coz there aren't any aliens in it? I can't see any other reason. It's the best sci-fi series in years. Lexx still manages to keep going and that got s**t after series 2!

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Originally posted by zoid:
*zoid sits in the rowboat on the placid lake, and releases the undersized big-mouthed bass back into its waters, saying, 'Run along home littl'un, and bring back yer Papa.'*

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[tongue in cheek]
As far as an altar goes... I haven't got around to installing one because I'm having a hard time figuring out what the sacrifice should be. Joss is a hard deity to figure out.

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SoupCatcher: how sad is it that you feel you have to signal sarcasm?

but myself, I'm in favor of real altars; we could always sacrifice trolls....
of course I'm not saying that AngusThermopyle is necessarily a troll, altho the sheep title to this thread certainly seems antagonistic....

but it is the start of a new year....so...
[sentimentality alert]
May 2005 Bring Peace and Happiness to Browncoats around the World!
love from, Maribeth (embers)
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Originally posted by wildbill:
Magna Carta? Shakespeare? If I'd have wanted schooling, I'd have gone to school.

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SoupCatcher: how sad is it that you feel you have to signal sarcasm?

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Hey, thanks ANGUSTHERMOPYLE for your post - it's been great fun to see the FFF posters prove what I've come to know them for - for their wit and class at dealing with the odd bump in the road. These people are tops.
And yes, tv shows really are tv shows!

That guy, working electric, he never drank with us!

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Originally posted by Hotpoint:

The fact is that most of the truly great actors have been cast in Shakespearian plays which has helped raise the image of that work in the public eye more than they would be otherwise, think of Laurence Olivier's version of Henry V for example.

I still maintain Shakespeare is overated. That doesn't mean he wasn't any good just that his plays aren't as good as people continually make out.

In many ways I am reminded of Citizen Kane which is routinely voted best film ever but which is also considered by many critics as a triumph of style over substance. Its continued grasp on the top spot is due to a large degree on people repeating over and over again that "Citizen Kane is the best film ever" and others nodding in agreement with the "experts".

Gorram sheep following the crowd

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Hurrah, hurrah, when things are at their worst
With cries of “Death or Glory” comes the mighty Twenty-First

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Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:
Firstly, Firefly is a great TV show ... but... IT'S JUST A TV SHOW! It isn't the Magna Carta, or Shakespear (although the jokes are better).

The fact that messages get answered in the same vernacular as the series is (like) so disturbing.

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Originally posted by terryo:
- didn't mean to rant about Shakespeare like that.

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Yeah. It is sad. However, it's one of those behavior changes I chose to make to simplify things. It all stemmed from some message board posting I was doing a couple of years ago (not here) where I would continually see humor, and specifically sarcasm, being taken seriously and resulting in long drawn out arguments before a resolution was reached. Some other posters started using tags to identify humor and that seemed to work out pretty well but I still argued with myself for a long time before I adopted it.

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I had a classic spit-take moment when I read the comment below.

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Against my better judgment (you know, that whole thing about fanning flames and feeding trolls) I would like to point out that famous actors seek out Shakespearian roles because it validates _their talent

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But no matter how hard all the English teachers and literature professors in the world might try, Shakespeare would have died out long ago if the plays didn't deliver what an audience wants.

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Originally posted by terryo:
but if you think Shakespeare is overrated, then you obviously haven't seen it done right. The angst, the stupidity, the pratfalls, the venality, the rare act of nobility, he nailed the human heart.

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Originally posted by terryo:

If Shakespeare is overrated, why do actors and directors itch to get their chance to interpret him?

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Funny, though, I agree that Citizen Kane is overrated.

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one reason why Patrick Stewarts career so successfully survived Star Trek is that as a "proper actor" who performed Shakespeare on stage he was automatically taken more seriously.

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Originally posted by msckaren:


Besides, if we're going to argue about Shakespeare or Shakespear, please give credit where credit is due. Everybody knows Queen Elizabeth wrote his best stuff!

Now the bigger question is, "What interdimensional demon is giving Whedon all that inside information?"

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And my secondary goal of showing that fans of classical literature are in reality just as tetchy and obsessive as SF Fans is achieved

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but if you think Shakespeare is overrated, then you obviously haven't seen it done right. The angst, the stupidity, the pratfalls, the venality, the rare act of nobility, he nailed the human heart.

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I've seen Shakespeare performed by the RSC that good enough for you? I see all of the above by the way and I still maintain he is overated.

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Once again I will reiterate the point that believing Shakespeare is overated is not the same as a holding a strident belief he is bad.

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Guildsister said: While I'm sure quite a few of us have 'alters' to Joss, I suspect very few have altars.

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But I don't have Alien Resurrection. So there!

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Oh, CRAP! I DO!! I was being all superior, thinking, "I do not have an altar to Joss Whedon" when I actually do. Damnit. I'm a sheep too, I guess. Hey Haken? Can we get us a wooly ewe icon please?

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell