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Well - not making any assumptions about his life expectancy ...

It's just my observation that if 'institutionalized' republicans, even so-called radical TP republicans like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, are desperate to bury Trump on the campaign trail (at least figuratively), can you imagine the grief they'd give him if he was president?

So, while of course you'd expect the democrats to try to stymie Trump, you could expect republicans to do the same.

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Republicans fall in line.

Look at the harsh criticism Drumpf got from Carson and Christie, to name just two. Both are now firmly attached to his penis like remoras to a shark, sucking at the tiny little sausage-fingered vulgarian's tiny little cocktail sausage, just hoping he'll raise them from the politically dead with the wave of his oh-so-tiny hands.

If a Republican, *ANY* Republican, wins the White House, the batshit crazy fuckers in Congress will truly take over and run every goddammed idiotic thing they can think of right down the nation's throat.

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So you think the Republicans will become dictators like Barry? I do agree that if Trump wins in a landslide the Republicans in D.C. will want to be his new best friends. The anarchist in me loves watching you libs become unhinged, he's exposing you people as the lunatics you are. Now go to a Trump rally and get punched out by a Trump supporter.

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So you think the Republicans will become dictators like Barry? I do agree that if Trump wins in a landslide the Republicans in D.C. will want to be his new best friends. The anarchist in me loves watching you libs become unhinged, he's exposing you people as the lunatics you are. Now go to a Trump rally and get punched out by a Trump supporter.

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Not surprising you take pleasure in the thought of violence against people you disagree with. That's what fascists do. You fit right in with the other racist Trumpbots.

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So, just to make your lie extremely clear, please point out to me where I indicated in any way I was "quite excited" by a Trump presidency. If you can.

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The idea of how dysfunctional his term would be is funny!

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Actually you were called both FASCIST and RACIST. And while it's true fascists can be racists, and racists can be fascists, they're not the same thing. So, you deny you're a racist, but you don't deny you're a fascist?

Care to try again, but with some intelligence?

Also, btw, "The anarchist in me loves watching you libs become unhinged ..." Does the anarchist in you also love watching both the republican establishment AND the TPers become unhinged? Inquiring minds ... really don't give a shit what you think, but it's fun pointing out your hypocrisy and how hate-based you are.

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Race baiters like yourself are the reason we have Trump and his supporters, they are not only sick of your crap, they enjoy tell people like you where to get off.

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He would be quite hapless. In spite of his own self-estimation, he doesn't come off as being particularly bright or capable.

I think he'd be overwhelmed by the job. I'm not sure he really wants it.

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Republicans fall in line.

Look at the harsh criticism Drumpf got from Carson and Christie, to name just two. Both are now firmly attached to his penis like remoras to a shark, sucking at the tiny little sausage-fingered vulgarian's tiny little cocktail sausage, just hoping he'll raise them from the politically dead with the wave of his oh-so-tiny hands.

If a Republican, *ANY* Republican, wins the White House, the batshit crazy fuckers in Congress will truly take over and run every goddammed idiotic thing they can think of right down the nation's throat.

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So you think the Republicans will become dictators like Barry? I do agree that if Trump wins in a landslide the Republicans in D.C. will want to be his new best friends. The anarchist in me loves watching you libs become unhinged, he's exposing you people as the lunatics you are. Now go to a Trump rally and get punched out by a Trump supporter.

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Race baiters like yourself are the reason we have Trump and his supporters, they are not only sick of your crap, they enjoy tell people like you where to get off.

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Sunday morning, in the context of what Trump knew to be a growing controversy about violent behavior on the part of his supporters, he tweeted what can really only be interpreted as a threat to send goons to beat up Bernie Sanders supporters.

"Bernie Sanders is lying when he says his disruptors aren't told to go to my events. Be careful Bernie, or my supporters will go to yours!"
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 13, 2016

He then followed this up by suggesting that he would use the resources at his disposal to help his supporters obtain immunity from legal consequence for violent acts they undertook on his behalf.

JUST IN: Trump tells @MeetThePress' @ChuckTodd he's going to look into paying for legal fees for the man who threw the sucker punch on Sat
— NBC News PR (@NBCNewsPR) March 13, 2016

This has implications for what President Trump might do in the White House with the power to unilaterally issue pardons. He is a leader who condones violence against the supporters of his political opponents. [sarcasm on] Now how could that possibly go wrong for America? Can anybody imagine?[sarcasm off]

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So you think the Republicans will become dictators like Barry? I do agree that if Trump wins in a landslide the Republicans in D.C. will want to be his new best friends. The anarchist in me loves watching you libs become unhinged, he's exposing you people as the lunatics you are. Now go to a Trump rally and get punched out by a Trump supporter.

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Not surprising you take pleasure in the thought of violence against people you disagree with. That's what fascists do. You fit right in with the other racist Trumpbots.

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By calling me a racist you're trying to shame me, sorry pal that crap isn't working anymore. Now instead of backing away we're telling you race baiters to fuck off. Or in the case of race baiters at a Trump rally, they're getting their asses kicked.

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The Enabling Act (German: Ermächtigungsgesetz) was a 1933 Weimar Constitution amendment that gave the German Cabinet – in effect, Chancellor Adolf Hitler – the power to enact laws without the involvement of the Reichstag. It passed in both the Reichstag and Reichsrat on 23 March 1933, and was signed by President Paul von Hindenburg later that day. The act stated that it was to last four years unless renewed by the Reichstag, which occurred twice. The Enabling Act gave Hitler plenary powers. It followed on the heels of the Reichstag Fire Decree, which abolished most civil liberties and transferred state powers to the Reich government. The combined effect of the two laws was to transform Hitler's government into a de facto legal dictatorship.

Shortly thereafter Hitler carried out a number of "political extra-judicial executions" during the Night of the Long Knives. These killings were against both left- and right-wing politicians and prominent leaders, and prominent members of his own paramilitary Sturmabteilung (SA, or Brownshirts, formed 1920).

The SA was a major factor in securing Hitler's presence on the political scene from the 1920's forward.

After Hitler decapitated the SA leadership, he replaced it with the SS which - in addition to running concentration camps - also carried out political murders, torture and jailing. And that was an important element by which Hitler retained his political power. There was simply a lack of opposition left alive.

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So you think the Republicans will become dictators like Barry? I do agree that if Trump wins in a landslide the Republicans in D.C. will want to be his new best friends. The anarchist in me loves watching you libs become unhinged, he's exposing you people as the lunatics you are. Now go to a Trump rally and get punched out by a Trump supporter.

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Not surprising you take pleasure in the thought of violence against people you disagree with. That's what fascists do. You fit right in with the other racist Trumpbots.

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By calling me a racist you're trying to shame me, sorry pal that crap isn't working anymore. Now instead of backing away we're telling you race baiters to fuck off. Or in the case of race baiters at a Trump rally, they're getting their asses kicked.

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You absolutely are a racist.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. The victor will never be asked if he told the truth." Who said it? Trump? Or Hitler?

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Unless you think republicans will give Trump majority support in both houses I don't see him getting much done.

. . . He has to go to party-identified republicans, and those are the exact same people he's been spitting on.

Maybe my imagination is limited, but I see nothing but roadblocks ahead for him.

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If I understand you correctly, the republicans and Trump are in league with each other (it would be funnier if I could say 'in congress', but it's not quite true); it's just another variation on the con republican politicians have been pulling on republican voters for all these years, and that the republican voters have been so haplessly dim-witted about for all these years. Trump and party republicans are kind of like wwe wrestling.

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"Winning means he can sell the White House in the biggest real estate deal of the century!"

I'm still trying to figure out why congressional Republicans would go along with it, though.

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Economically, these communities are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul.

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For generations, conservatives have rightly railed against deterministic progressive notions that put human choices at the mercy of race, class, history, or economics. Those factors can create additional challenges, but they do not relieve any human being of the moral obligation to do their best.

Yet millions of Americans aren’t doing their best. Indeed, they’re barely trying. As I’ve related before, my church in Kentucky made a determined attempt to reach kids and families that were falling between the cracks, and it was consistently astounding how little effort most parents and their teen children made to improve their lives. If they couldn’t find a job in a few days — or perhaps even as little as a few hours — they’d stop looking. If they got angry at teachers or coaches, they’d drop out of school. If they fought with their wife, they had sex with a neighbor. And always — always — there was a sense of entitlement.

And that’s where disability or other government programs kicked in. They were there, beckoning, giving men and women alternatives to gainful employment. You don’t have to do any work (your disability lawyer does all the heavy lifting), you make money, and you get drugs. At our local regional hospital, it’s become a bitter joke the extent to which the community is hooked on "Xanatab" — the Xanax and Lortab prescriptions that lead to drug dependence.

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The voters have spoken.

In convincing fashion, Republican voters seem to be selecting Donald Trump as their nominee. And in a democracy, victory has legitimacy to it. Voters are rarely wise but are usually sensible. They understand their own problems. And so deference is generally paid to the candidate who wins.

And deference is being paid. Gov. Rick Scott of Florida is urging Republicans to coalesce around Trump. Pundits are coming out with their “What We Can Learn” commentaries. Those commentaries are built on a hidden respect for the outcome, that this is a rejection of a Republicanism that wasn’t working and it points in some better direction.

The question is: Should deference be paid to this victor? Should we bow down to the judgment of these voters?

Well, some respect is in order. Trump voters are a coalition of the dispossessed. They have suffered lost jobs, lost wages, lost dreams. The American system is not working for them, so naturally they are looking for something else.

Moreover, many in the media, especially me, did not understand how they would express their alienation. We expected Trump to fizzle because we were not socially intermingled with his supporters and did not listen carefully enough. For me, it’s a lesson that I have to change the way I do my job if I’m going to report accurately on this country.

And yet reality is reality.

Donald Trump is epically unprepared to be president. He has no realistic policies, no advisers, no capacity to learn. His vast narcissism makes him a closed fortress. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and he’s uninterested in finding out. He insults the office Abraham Lincoln once occupied by running for it with less preparation that most of us would undertake to buy a sofa.

Trump is perhaps the most dishonest person to run for high office in our lifetimes. All politicians stretch the truth, but Trump has a steady obliviousness to accuracy.

This week, the Politico reporters Daniel Lippman, Darren Samuelsohn and Isaac Arnsdorf fact-checked 4.6 hours of Trump speeches and news conferences. They found more than five dozen untrue statements, or one every five minutes.

“His remarks represent an extraordinary mix of inaccurate claims about domestic and foreign policy and personal and professional boasts that rarely measure up when checked against primary sources,” they wrote.

He is a childish man running for a job that requires maturity. He is an insecure boasting little boy whose desires were somehow arrested at age 12. He surrounds himself with sycophants. “You can always tell when the king is here,” Trump’s butler told Jason Horowitz in a recent Times profile. He brags incessantly about his alleged prowess, like how far he can hit a golf ball. “Do I hit it long? Is Trump strong?” he asks.

In some rare cases, political victors do not deserve our respect. George Wallace won elections, but to endorse those outcomes would be a moral failure.

And so it is with Trump.

History is a long record of men like him temporarily rising, stretching back to biblical times. Psalm 73 describes them: “Therefore pride is their necklace; they clothe themselves with violence.... They scoff, and speak with malice; with arrogance they threaten oppression. Their mouths lay claim to heaven, and their tongues take possession of the earth. Therefore their people turn to them and drink up waters in abundance.”

And yet their success is fragile: “Surely you place them on slippery ground; you cast them down to ruin. How suddenly they are destroyed.”

The psalmist reminds us that the proper thing to do in the face of demagogy is to go the other way — to make an extra effort to put on decency, graciousness, patience and humility, to seek a purity of heart that is stable and everlasting.

The Republicans who coalesce around Trump are making a political error. They are selling their integrity for a candidate who will probably lose. About 60 percent of Americans disapprove of him, and that number has been steady since he began his campaign.

Worse, there are certain standards more important than one year’s election. There are certain codes that if you betray them, you suffer something much worse than a political defeat.

Donald Trump is an affront to basic standards of honesty, virtue and citizenship. He pollutes the atmosphere in which our children are raised. He has already shredded the unspoken rules of political civility that make conversation possible. In his savage regime, public life is just a dog-eat-dog war of all against all.

As the founders would have understood, he is a threat to the long and glorious experiment of American self-government. He is precisely the kind of scapegoating, promise-making, fear-driving and deceiving demagogue they feared.

Trump’s supporters deserve respect. They are left out of this economy. But Trump himself? No, not Trump, not ever.

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