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Hillary Clinton: just because she deserves her own thread
Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:31 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Sunday, March 13, 2016 9:56 PM
THGRRI
Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:53 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, March 13, 2016 11:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Troll, much?
Monday, March 14, 2016 12:18 AM
Monday, March 14, 2016 1:11 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I always wondered why Hillary gave me a big case of the willies every time she tried to be charming. Now I know why: HILLARY CLINTON, WARMONGER
Monday, March 14, 2016 11:11 AM
Monday, March 14, 2016 12:07 PM
Monday, March 14, 2016 12:24 PM
REAVERFAN
Monday, March 14, 2016 12:31 PM
Quote:Hillary Clinton has excoriated Donald Trump for failing to stop a supporter from roughing up a protester during a speech, saying “This kind of behavior is repugnant. We set the tone for our campaigns — we should encourage respect, not violence.” Yet, in 2011, she did nothing to stop security personnel from brutalizing a 71-year-old veteran who stood silently with his back to her during a speech. The protester, Ray McGovern, a retired Army officer and CIA analyst, was wearing a black “Veterans for Peace” T-shirt, when he was set upon within sight of Secretary of State Clinton, who ironically was delivering a speech about the importance of foreign leaders respecting dissent. The assault on McGovern left him bruised and bloodied but it didn’t cause Clinton to pause as she coolly continued on, not missing a beat.
Monday, March 14, 2016 12:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: My god SIG. Is there anything about you that isn't doom and gloom? Is there anything about you that isn't hypocritical? voicing outrage about the behavior of Hillary Clinton while praising people like Putin and his Iranian allies. Is there any part of you that isn't a warped and sick bitch? I am about finished with my BSW and I currently work in the mental health field. Trust me, you are one sick bitch.
Monday, March 14, 2016 2:49 PM
Monday, March 14, 2016 2:52 PM
Monday, March 14, 2016 3:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: My god SIG. Is there anything about you that isn't doom and gloom? Is there anything about you that isn't hypocritical? voicing outrage about the behavior of Hillary Clinton while praising people like Putin and his Iranian allies. Is there any part of you that isn't a warped and sick bitch? I am about finished with my BSW and I currently work in the mental health field. Trust me, you are one sick bitch. Anyone working in the mental health field would never call anyone a "sick bitch". You're either a liar, or you've chosen the wrong profession!
Monday, March 14, 2016 3:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "... and I currently work in the mental health field ..." Janitor, perhaps? Because I'd sure hate to see you working with people with your (proven) racism and your (proven) hatred towards anyone who disagrees with your politics.
Monday, March 14, 2016 3:41 PM
Monday, March 14, 2016 5:15 PM
Friday, March 18, 2016 10:04 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Friday, March 18, 2016 11:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: I hear you Sig, warmongers are the worst. Except Russian ones <3 <3 #PutinFangirlsForever
Friday, March 18, 2016 11:27 PM
Saturday, March 19, 2016 8:49 AM
Saturday, March 19, 2016 9:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I thought this was funny... Quote:Our source has obtained these draft notes from the waste paper basket in the office of the Director, Spin Central, Western Main Stream Media Holdings. ISSUE: Putin has recently announced a partial pullout from Syria and claimed success. BACKGROUND: For months we have been saying that Putin's air force has been clusterbombing civilians, good moderate rebels, sand and hospitals; that Putin is getting bogged down; that it was turning into another Afghanistan; that he was lying when he said he was bombing terrorists; that all he was doing was propping up Assad. In short that it was a failure that could only grow worse. "Russia's Failed Adventure in Syria" by Con Coughlin, Defence Editor of the Daily Telegraph is a typical example. Others are "Putin bogging down in Syria", "Russian army in Syria: A failure foretold" and "Putin Dare Not Send More Forces to Syria". These must now, as it were, be unspun in such a way that we do not look like fools [who were just speaking stenography to power -crossout]. PROBLEM: Many of our [dupes -punters -sheeple - crossout] citizens are in danger of forming the impression that Putin actually did what he said he would do, when he said he would do it and, having done it, is finished. Some are even going so far as to suggest Putin did us a service by attacking ISIS. Such an impression would directly threaten our [credibility- profits- crossout] freedoms and values. SOLUTION: It is imperative that we develop a media campaign to [save our faces-crossout] regain the moral high ground. Consultations with our specialists have developed the following themes. The essence is that, while not a complete failure, Putin's war had a very limited and short-lived success. All writers are instructed to work these themes into their coverage. * Putin attacked Syria to distract the population from the catastrophic economy. Nonstop videos of explosions on state-controlled TV had an initial effect which soon wore off. With the collapse of his popularity ratings [from 90% to 85%- crossout] he realised he had milked it for as much as he could and it was time for another diversion. * The attack on Syria diverted attention from Putin's war in Ukraine. The pullout has successfully diverted attention from Putin's war in Syria. * Putin's war has been countered by the successful diplomacy of President US President Obama and (insert the name of local stooge leader) which created the ceasefire and brought the warring parties to the negotiating table. * Humorists can make the point that Putin has run out of Syrian hospitals and orphanages to bomb. * Find "some expert" to "believe" that the cost of the intervention was ruinously high and that "probably" Putin's supporters told him to stop or they would dismiss him. * Suggest there was a big argument with Assad and Putin left to punish him. "Some experts believe" is the way to introduce this story. * Other departments will be trying to create a "Soldiers' Mothers Committee" to claim there were thousands of hidden casualties. Be ready to quote them. * Don't forget to say that Putin claimed "mission accomplished" and that he promised to completely withdraw. This allows us to call him a liar if these things do not happen. In the meantime, anything short of 100% "accomplished" can be spun as failure. Standard instructions continue as usual: Scatter the expressions "barrel bombs", "troll factories", "hybrid war", "carpet bombing" and "weaponising" freely through your writings. But I don't think we can get away with "weaponising success" though. Question the reliability of everything Putin says and observe that, while his motives are always obscure, they are always malign. Don't forget personalisation: everything is "Putin's" When you can't find a source for some assertion, make frequent use of the formula: "Many experts say -------" Try and say "Putin's war on Syria" as much as possible; this makes him out to have been on the morally wrong side. -------------- You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
Quote:Our source has obtained these draft notes from the waste paper basket in the office of the Director, Spin Central, Western Main Stream Media Holdings. ISSUE: Putin has recently announced a partial pullout from Syria and claimed success. BACKGROUND: For months we have been saying that Putin's air force has been clusterbombing civilians, good moderate rebels, sand and hospitals; that Putin is getting bogged down; that it was turning into another Afghanistan; that he was lying when he said he was bombing terrorists; that all he was doing was propping up Assad. In short that it was a failure that could only grow worse. "Russia's Failed Adventure in Syria" by Con Coughlin, Defence Editor of the Daily Telegraph is a typical example. Others are "Putin bogging down in Syria", "Russian army in Syria: A failure foretold" and "Putin Dare Not Send More Forces to Syria". These must now, as it were, be unspun in such a way that we do not look like fools [who were just speaking stenography to power -crossout]. PROBLEM: Many of our [dupes -punters -sheeple - crossout] citizens are in danger of forming the impression that Putin actually did what he said he would do, when he said he would do it and, having done it, is finished. Some are even going so far as to suggest Putin did us a service by attacking ISIS. Such an impression would directly threaten our [credibility- profits- crossout] freedoms and values. SOLUTION: It is imperative that we develop a media campaign to [save our faces-crossout] regain the moral high ground. Consultations with our specialists have developed the following themes. The essence is that, while not a complete failure, Putin's war had a very limited and short-lived success. All writers are instructed to work these themes into their coverage. * Putin attacked Syria to distract the population from the catastrophic economy. Nonstop videos of explosions on state-controlled TV had an initial effect which soon wore off. With the collapse of his popularity ratings [from 90% to 85%- crossout] he realised he had milked it for as much as he could and it was time for another diversion. * The attack on Syria diverted attention from Putin's war in Ukraine. The pullout has successfully diverted attention from Putin's war in Syria. * Putin's war has been countered by the successful diplomacy of President US President Obama and (insert the name of local stooge leader) which created the ceasefire and brought the warring parties to the negotiating table. * Humorists can make the point that Putin has run out of Syrian hospitals and orphanages to bomb. * Find "some expert" to "believe" that the cost of the intervention was ruinously high and that "probably" Putin's supporters told him to stop or they would dismiss him. * Suggest there was a big argument with Assad and Putin left to punish him. "Some experts believe" is the way to introduce this story. * Other departments will be trying to create a "Soldiers' Mothers Committee" to claim there were thousands of hidden casualties. Be ready to quote them. * Don't forget to say that Putin claimed "mission accomplished" and that he promised to completely withdraw. This allows us to call him a liar if these things do not happen. In the meantime, anything short of 100% "accomplished" can be spun as failure. Standard instructions continue as usual: Scatter the expressions "barrel bombs", "troll factories", "hybrid war", "carpet bombing" and "weaponising" freely through your writings. But I don't think we can get away with "weaponising success" though. Question the reliability of everything Putin says and observe that, while his motives are always obscure, they are always malign. Don't forget personalisation: everything is "Putin's" When you can't find a source for some assertion, make frequent use of the formula: "Many experts say -------" Try and say "Putin's war on Syria" as much as possible; this makes him out to have been on the morally wrong side.
Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:55 PM
Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:40 PM
Sunday, March 27, 2016 10:27 PM
Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:04 AM
Quote:This is an English translation of an article that I wrote for the German magazine, Compact. I was encouraged by the high level of intelligent discourse that Compact brings to its readers. If only the US had more people capable of reaching beyond entertainment to comprehending the forces that affect them, there might be some hope for America. Compact brings hope to Germany. The German people are beginning to understand that their country is not sovereign but a vassal of Washington and that their chancellor serves Washington’s hegemony and American financial interests, and not the German people. Hillary Clinton is proving to be the “teflon candidate.” In her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, she has escaped damage from major scandals, any one of which would destroy a politician. Hillary has accepted massive bribes in the form of speaking fees from financial organizations and corporations. She is under investigation for misuse of classified data, an offense for which a number of whistleblowers are in prison. Hillary has survived the bombing of Libya, her creation of a failed Libyan state that is today a major source of terrorist jihadists, and the Benghazi controversy. She has survived charges that as Secretary of State she arranged favors for foreign interests in exchange for donations to the Clintons’ foundation. And, of course, there is a long list of previous scandals: Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate. Diana Johnstone’s book, Queen of Chaos, describes Hillary Clinton as “the top salesperson for the ruling oligarchy.” Hillary Clinton is a bought-and-paid-for representative of the big banks, the military-security complex, and the Israel Lobby. She will represent these interests, not those of the American people or America’s European allies. The Clintons’ purchase by interest groups is public knowledge. For example, CNN reports that between February 2001 and May 2015 Bill and Hillary Clinton were paid $153 million in speaking fees for 729 speeches, an average price of $210,000. As it became evident that Hillary Clinton would emerge as the likely Democratic presidential candidate, she was paid more. Deutsche Bank paid her $485,000 for one speech, and Goldman Sachs paid her $675,000 for three speeches. Bank of American Morgan Stanley, UBS, and Fidelity Investments each paid $225,000. https://theintercept.com/2016/01/08/hillary-clinton-earned-more-from-12-speeches-to-big-banks-than-most-americans-earn-in-their-lifetime/ Despite Hillary’s blatent willingness to be bribed in public, her opponent, Bernie Sanders, has not succeeded in making an issue of Hillary’s shamelessness. Both of the main establishment newspapers, the Washington Post and the New York Times have come to Hillary’s defense. Hillary is a war-monger. She pushed the Obama regime into the destruction of a stable and largely cooperative government in Libya where the “Arab Spring” was a CIA-backed group of jihadists who were used to dislodge China from its oil investments in eastern Libya. She urged her husband to bomb Yugoslavia. She pushed for “regime change” in Syria. She oversaw the coup that overthrew the democratically elected president of Honduras. She brought neoconservative Victoria Nuland, who arranged the coup that overthrew the democratically elected president of Ukraine, into the State Department. Hillary has called President Vladimir Putin of Russia the “new Hitler.” Hillary as president guarantees war and more war. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/hillary-clintons-six-foreign-policy-catastrophes.html In the United States government has been privatized. Office holders use their positions in order to make themselves wealthy, not in order to serve the public interest. Bill and Hillary Clinton epitomize the use of public office in behalf of the office holder’s interest. For the Clintons government means using public office to be rewarded for doing favors for private interests. The Wall Street Journal reported that “at least 60 companies that lobbied the State Department during her [Hillary Clinton’s] tenure as Secretary of State donated a total of more than $26 million to the Clinton Foundation.” http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/hillary-clinton-exposed-part-1-aggressively-lobbied-mega-corporations-secretary-state.html According to washingtonsblog.com, “All told, the Clinton Foundation and its affiliates have collected donations and pledges from all souces of more than $1.6 billion, accoring to their tax returns.” According to rootsactionteam.com, multi-million dollar donors to the Clinton Foundation include Saudi Arabia, Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, Kuwait, ExxonMobil, Friends of Saudi Arabia, James Murdoch, Qatar, Boeing, Dow, Goldman Sachs, Walmart, and the United Arab Emirates. According to the International Business Times, “Under Hillary Clinton, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments had given millions to the Clinton Foundation.” http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187 Hillary Clinton has escaped unharmed from so many crimes and scandals that she would likely be the most reckless president in American history. With the arms race renewed, with Russia declared “an existential threat to the United States,” and with Hillary’s declaration of President Putin as the new Hitler, Hillary’s arrogant self-confidence is likely to result in over-reach that ends in conflict between NATO and Russia. Considering the extraordinary destructive force of nuclear weapons, Hillary as president could mean the end of life on earth.
Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:39 PM
Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:13 PM
Sunday, April 17, 2016 10:12 AM
Quote:Hillary Clinton is a bought-and-paid-for representative of the big banks, the military-security complex, and the Israel Lobby. She will represent these interests, not those of the American people or America’s European allies. Hillary is a war-monger. She pushed the Obama regime into the destruction of a stable and largely cooperative government in Libya where the “Arab Spring” was a CIA-backed group of jihadists who were used to dislodge China from its oil investments in eastern Libya. She urged her husband to bomb Yugoslavia. She pushed for “regime change” in Syria. She oversaw the coup that overthrew the democratically elected president of Honduras. She brought neoconservative Victoria Nuland, who arranged the coup that overthrew the democratically elected president of Ukraine, into the State Department. Hillary has called President Vladimir Putin of Russia the “new Hitler.” Hillary as president guarantees war and more war. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/hillary-clintons-six-foreign-policy-catastrophes.html In the United States government has been privatized. Office holders use their positions in order to make themselves wealthy, not in order to serve the public interest. Bill and Hillary Clinton epitomize the use of public office in behalf of the office holder’s interest. For the Clintons government means using public office to be rewarded for doing favors for private interests. The Wall Street Journal reported that “at least 60 companies that lobbied the State Department during her [Hillary Clinton’s] tenure as Secretary of State donated a total of more than $26 million to the Clinton Foundation.” http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/hillary-clinton-exposed-part-1-aggressively-lobbied-mega-corporations-secretary-state.html According to washingtonsblog.com, “All told, the Clinton Foundation and its affiliates have collected donations and pledges from all souces of more than $1.6 billion, accoring to their tax returns.” According to rootsactionteam.com, multi-million dollar donors to the Clinton Foundation include Saudi Arabia, Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, Kuwait, ExxonMobil, Friends of Saudi Arabia, James Murdoch, Qatar, Boeing, Dow, Goldman Sachs, Walmart, and the United Arab Emirates. According to the International Business Times, “Under Hillary Clinton, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments had given millions to the Clinton Foundation.” http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187 Hillary Clinton has escaped unharmed from so many crimes and scandals that she would likely be the most reckless president in American history. With the arms race renewed, with Russia declared “an existential threat to the United States,” and with Hillary’s declaration of President Putin as the new Hitler, Hillary’s arrogant self-confidence is likely to result in over-reach that ends in conflict between NATO and Russia. Considering the extraordinary destructive force of nuclear weapons, Hillary as president could mean the end of life on earth.
Quote:"...Hillary as president could mean the end of life on earth."
Sunday, April 17, 2016 11:46 AM
Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:17 PM
Sunday, April 17, 2016 10:54 PM
Monday, April 18, 2016 9:19 AM
Monday, April 18, 2016 11:57 AM
RIVERLOVE
Monday, April 18, 2016 2:13 PM
Monday, April 18, 2016 2:17 PM
Monday, April 18, 2016 2:23 PM
Quote:Well, here's the thing, and I said this to a bunch of folks at a barbecue yesterday - If any of you are going to be distraught, devastated, or depressed about Hillary getting elected President, you best start preparing to deal with it now.-RIVERLOVE
Monday, April 18, 2016 9:30 PM
Monday, April 18, 2016 11:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yours is exactly the attitude that yawns when presented with official wrongdoing, and then freaks out when there is a major terrorist attack/ financial meltdown in this country. You don't think that there'll be consequences. Also you and your compatriots are ethically-challenged.
Tuesday, April 19, 2016 12:19 AM
Tuesday, April 19, 2016 1:17 AM
Tuesday, April 19, 2016 3:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Riverlove: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yours is exactly the attitude that yawns when presented with official wrongdoing, and then freaks out when there is a major terrorist attack/ financial meltdown in this country. You don't think that there'll be consequences. Also you and your compatriots are ethically-challenged. Fuck you and the little red pony you rode in on. Seriously, you need to see a shrink a.s.a.p.
Sunday, April 24, 2016 5:03 PM
Sunday, April 24, 2016 5:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Well, here's the thing, and I said this to a bunch of folks at a barbecue yesterday - If any of you are going to be distraught, devastated, or depressed about Hillary getting elected President, you best start preparing to deal with it now. Not going to be any of those, I'm going to be angry. Also, the way I'm preparing for her reign is by getting my "I told you so" posts ready ahead of time.
Sunday, April 24, 2016 5:41 PM
Monday, April 25, 2016 4:36 AM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Getting back to Hillary, this old definition applies to her: The definition of an honest politician is one who, once they're bought, STAY bought. By that definition, Hillary is not an honest politician.
Monday, April 25, 2016 9:43 AM
Quote:You seem to think simply having a 'D' after her name is enough of a reason to vote for her.
Monday, April 25, 2016 12:29 PM
Quote:Has Hillary not accepted massive speaking fees from financial organizations and corporations? Were not Bill and Hillary Clinton paid $153 million in speaking fees for 729 speeches, an average price of $210,000?
Quote:As Presidential candidate, was she not paid $485,000 for one speech by DB and $675,000 by Goldman Sachs?
Quote:Is she not "under investigation for misuse of classified data, an offense for which a number of whistleblowers are in prison"?
Quote:Did she not promulgate the destruction of Libya, and create "a failed Libyan state that is today a major source of terrorist jihadists, and the Benghazi controversy"?
Quote:Was she not charged with arranging "favors for foreign interests in exchange for donations to the Clintons’ foundation" as Scy State?
Quote:As Scy State, did she not bring in "neoconservative Victoria Nuland into the State Department"?
Quote:Did Hillary not call President Vladimir Putin of Russia the “new Hitler”?
Quote:What, if anything, is factually wrong with the article?
Quote:Geezus, the man likes his hyperbole. (even his name is hyperbolic as fas as names go) -"G" Wait ... wha ...? You're attacking a man because of HIS NAME??? How about ... Martin Luther King? Gosh, with such a hyperbolic name, I guess he had nothing worthwhile to say! James Earl Jones? Couldn't have been much of an actor! George Walker Bush Sounds like some hick from Bumfuk Kentucky. Couldn't have gotten very far in his life! Franklin Delano Roosevelt Gosh, with a name like that, I'll bet he was given to hyperbole too. He might have even said something exaggerated like We have nothing to fear but fear itself. What a twit [FDR must have been]! You have plumbed the depths of "nothing rational to say", ONEOFTHETHREESTOOGES. You suck as a source of reasonable discussion, but you're sometimes a hoot! - SIGNY
Monday, April 25, 2016 4:18 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: . . . give me a reason to vote FOR her.
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