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Saturday, August 6, 2016 7:30 PM

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Bernie Sanders: Donald Trump would be a disaster and an embarrassment for our country if he were elected president. I support Hillary Clinton. So should everyone who voted for me.
www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sanders-message-20160805-snap-stor
y.html

by Bernie Sanders, August 5, 2016

Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee and I will vigorously support her.

Donald Trump would be a disaster and an embarrassment for our country if he were elected president. His campaign is not based on anything of substance — improving the economy, our education system, healthcare or the environment. It is based on bigotry. He is attempting to win this election by fomenting hatred against Mexicans and Muslims. He has crudely insulted women. And as a leader of the “birther movement,” he tried to undermine the legitimacy of our first African American president. That is not just my point of view. That’s the perspective of a number of conservative Republicans.

In these difficult times, we need a president who will bring our nation together, not someone who will divide us by race or religion, not someone who lacks an understanding of what our Constitution is about.

On virtually every major issue facing this country and the needs of working families, Clinton’s positions are far superior to Trump’s. Our campaigns worked together to produce the most progressive platform in the history of American politics. Trump’s campaign wrote one of the most reactionary documents.

Clinton understands that Citizens United has undermined our democracy. She will nominate justices who are prepared to overturn that Supreme Court decision, which made it possible for billionaires to buy elections. Her court appointees also would protect a woman’s right to choose, workers’ rights, the rights of the LGBT community, the needs of minorities and immigrants and the government’s ability to protect the environment.

Trump, on the other hand, has made it clear that his Supreme Court appointees would preserve the court’s right-wing majority.

Clinton understands that in a competitive global economy we need the best-educated workforce in the world. She and I worked together on a proposal that will revolutionize higher education in America. It will guarantee that the children of any family in this country with an annual income of $125,000 a year or less – 83% of our population – will be able to go to a public college or university tuition free. This proposal also substantially reduces student debt.

Trump, on the other hand, has barely said a word about higher education.

Clinton understands that at a time of massive income and wealth inequality, it is absurd to provide huge tax breaks to the very rich.

Trump, on the other hand, wants billionaire families like his to enjoy hundreds of billions of dollars in new tax breaks.

Clinton understands that climate change is real, is caused by human activity and is one of the great environmental crises facing our planet. She knows that we must transform our energy system away from fossil fuels and move aggressively to energy efficiency and sustainable energy.

Trump, on the other hand, like most Republicans, rejects science and the conclusions of almost all major researchers in the field. He believes that climate change is a “hoax,” and that there’s no need to address it.

Clinton understands that this country must move toward universal healthcare. She wants to see that all Americans have the right to choose a public option in their healthcare exchange, that anyone 55 or older should be able to opt in to Medicare, and that we must greatly improve primary healthcare through a major expansion of community health centers. She also wants to lower the outrageously high cost of prescription drugs.

And what is Donald Trump’s position on healthcare? He wants to abolish the Affordable Care Act, throw 20 million people off the health insurance they currently have and cut Medicaid for lower-income Americans.

During the primaries, my supporters and I began a political revolution to transform America. That revolution continues as Hillary Clinton seeks the White House. It will continue after the election. It will continue until we create a government which represents all of us and not just the 1 percent – a government based on the principle of economic, social, racial and environmental justice.

I understand that many of my supporters are disappointed by the final results of the nominating process, but being despondent and inactive is not going to improve anything. Going forward and continuing the struggle is what matters. And, in that struggle, the most immediate task we face is to defeat Donald Trump.

Bernie Sanders is the junior U.S. senator from Vermont.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, August 6, 2016 9:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


RF

So Obama didn't have a supermajority. You know what? He still had MAJORITIES in BOTH HOUSES for TWO YEARS.

You know how you deal with a filibuster? You call the bluff. Let them yak ... and yak ... and yak .. as long as they want. You do that a few times. It gets to be a spectacle and makes the party doing it look ridiculous. It gets to be expensive, politically speaking.

Instead, the democratic senators couldn't be fucking bothered to put themselves out. They shrugged their shoulders, said what can we do?, and politely handed over their entire agenda.

AND THAT COST THE SENATE.

People felt pissed on and kicked aside. They needed to see someone stand up and FIGHT for them. What they got was pampered lapdogs, who, frankly, didn't deserve to be there.


Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, August 6, 2016 10:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


second

Are you trying to say the biggest loss of seats in House history was just another ordinary year of poor democratic mid-term turnout? Your strained mental contortions boggle the mind.

And are you really so afraid of facts you can't admit them?
"Cokie Roberts (said) "He’s lost almost 70 Democrats since he’s been president," Roberts said of Congress, "and more than 900 state legislators."
We had heard iterations of Democratic losses on the congressional level, but never such a large number of losses for Democrats in legislatures across the country.
Turns out, Roberts is correct."

It wasn't just a bloodbath in the House ... and the Senate ... it was in governorships and state legislatures as well.

And what do YOU think is the common factor, second? Just another average, ho-hum, ordinary year of poor midterm democratic turnout?


And speaking of misleading -- Your graph shows TOTAL voter turnout. You know who came out in 2010? Republicans. And independents. NOT DEMOCRATS.

DEMOCRATS specifically STAYED HOME.

these results were fueled primarily by a depressed turnout among Democratic base groups ... In 2010, turnout among (Hispanics, African Americans, union members and young people) dropped off substantially, even below their previous midterm levels


Maybe you should just be a little more - truthful. Even when it hurts. Especially when it hurts.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:27 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

You know how you deal with a filibuster? You call the bluff. Let them yak ... and yak ... and yak .. as long as they want. You do that a few times. It gets to be a spectacle and makes the party doing it look ridiculous. It gets to be expensive, politically speaking.

Instead, the democratic senators couldn't be fucking bothered to put themselves out. They shrugged their shoulders, said what can we do?, and politely handed over their entire agenda.

AND THAT COST THE SENATE.

People felt pissed on and kicked aside. They needed to see someone stand up and FIGHT for them. What they got was pampered lapdogs, who, frankly, didn't deserve to be there.
That is not what happened. The Dem voters sit on their asses for 4 years, missing every opportunity to vote except the Presidential election.

This is what you are claiming, 1kiki: If only the Democrat’s Senators had forced the Republican filibusterers to yak-yak until they were hoarse, the Democratic voters would have appreciated their Senators’ efforts and voted in the midterm primaries and elections. What a load of bullshit you’re selling, 1kiki. Dem voters pay no attention to Senate filibusters and fights, they can’t even remember to vote more often than once every 4 years.

For decades the Dem Voters have NOT been bothering to vote during the midterms. The Dem Senators can’t change that with some antics in the Senate. The Dem voters ought to realize, but they have NOT for brain dead reasons, that they can NOT get what they want from Congress if they skip every election except one. The Republican voters don’t skip elections. The Dem voters could learn that lesson, but they have not, leaving Republicans politicians in control at local, state and national levels of government. 1kiki even made the point I am making:
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And speaking of misleading -- Your graph shows TOTAL voter turnout. You know who came out in 2010? Republicans. And independents. NOT DEMOCRATS.

DEMOCRATS specifically STAYED HOME.
Democratic voters are always excusing themselves from voting -- "I'm busy." They are unaware of early voting, which gives them two weeks to cast a vote. If they can't make it to the polls on election day, surely they could find time during the 2 weeks before the election to cast an early ballot? The Republican voters always find the time to vote early.
www.votetexas.gov/voting/when/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 7, 2016 12:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"This is what you are claiming, 1kiki: If only the Democrat’s Senators had forced the Republican filibusterers to yak-yak until they were hoarse, the Democratic voters would have appreciated their Senators’ efforts and voted in the midterm primaries and elections."

Obama and the House had enough to answer for, too.

For decades, people who identified as 'd' remained constant, though a single, remarkable John Kennedy, by himself, raised the national average by 5%. I made the point more than once - with figures and cites - that democrats lost their audience during Reagan, as numbers of people who identified as 'd' dropped precipitously while numbers of people who identified as 'r' zoomed up briskly. That's because Reagan at least TALKED about what was ailing the American worker, and that was the loss of - hope/ optimism/ confidence/ security - as wages fell dramatically after 1970 - which I've also supported with figures, graphs and cites. Then Reagan came along, people felt they had been heard, and 'd' dropped while 'r' went up.

But the dems just kept playing the same old backroom party politics and failed to come up with any answering position at all.
Then Obama came along and lost even more 'd's off the books.


A SINGLE PRESIDENT CAN BY THEMSELF BOOST OR HURT A NATIONAL PARTY.

Harry Reid didn't help the Senate though, either.


But anyway, the numbers don't lie. And those are numbers you keep avoiding. DEMOCRATS STAYED HOME IN ABOVE NORMAL NUMBERS. And that's how democrats lost the house in a historic debacle, lost the senate, lost 6 governorships, and lost over 900 state legislators in a single election.

So if you want to dispute that, find a way to dispute the numbers.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, August 7, 2016 1:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Originally posted by reaverfan:
I've never seen such a disgusting person so close to the office. It's insane.




I missed this so I'd like to comment now. People are desperate to be heard. Trump seems to be the only one listening. And I think that Donald is doing as well as he is, simply points up how a weak candidate Hillary is. In fact, she's SO weak she has to court republicans. How did Hillary lose so many democrats and independents? That, too, is insane.


Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, August 7, 2016 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
That's because Reagan at least TALKED about what was ailing the American worker, and that was the loss of - hope/ optimism/ confidence/ security - as wages fell dramatically after 1970 - which I've also supported with figures, graphs and cites. Then Reagan came along, people felt they had been heard, and 'd' dropped while 'r' went up.
They could feel whatever delusion they want, but they did not get anything tangible to go with the feeling. Reagan's and (Bush Senior's) talk was cheap, but they didn't spend money to make that promised future to go with the "hope/ optimism/ confidence/ security". Not so oddly, Bill Clinton did delivery, partially, despite the strong objections (remember all the partisan fury and investigations of Bill's past?) of the Republican Party. Then Bush Jr promised to do even better than Bill. Didn't happen, did it? You didn't even notice the failure to try to live up to the promises, did you?

The reason was as simple as it was stupid: Bush Jr would not spend the money to make his version of the promised future happen.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:

But the dems just kept playing the same old backroom party politics and failed to come up with any answering position at all.
Then Obama came along and lost even more 'd's off the books.
Now the Dems have answers. Dems aren't playing that same old game. Dems say there is Global Warming, Trump says it is a Hoax. Dems want Obamacare, Trump says he will abolish it. Dems oppose Trump's multi-trillion dollar tax cuts for the wealthy. If that tax cut happens, it will kill any hope of a better future -- except for the rich beneficiaries of the tax cut. Dems want freedom of religion, Trump wants Muslim citizens in concentration camps or deported. It is impossible to tell how far Trump would go. It is definitely not the same-old game of two parties each taking a turn in power before politely stepping aside.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 7, 2016 3:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Then Bush Jr promised to do even better than Bill. Didn't happen, did it? You didn't even notice the failure to try to live up to the promises, did you?"

I never expected anything. Did you?

But the republican faithful did notice. Hence teaparty1, new teaparty2. new, new teaparty, ever more pure and faithful teaparty, a 2016 slate of teapartyesque primary candidates, and finally, the ultimate expression of populistic political rejection of republican business as usual - Trump. So yeah, I'd say they noticed.

And your thinking still doesn't counter the fact that the democrats are still mired in the backroom party political maneuvering of 1960. And decades later, have yet to come up with a structural, intellectual, and moral answer for voter economic angst - aside from the so called third way, which is thinly disguised republican economics on top of faux liberal social issues, a bedrock of neocon foreign policy - and all topped off with a personal-enrichment cherry. Which is why they've lost voter share, going from 55% down to 30%; and lost voter turnout. Voter share down 50% from previous levels! Do YOU have an explanation for that?

Is Hillary the answer to what voters are looking for? The ONLY thing that's pulling her numbers higher is that somewhat more people are running away from Donald than from her. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for her or for democrats. And Donald is not an excuse for the truly insane foreign policies Hillary intends, or for the trade deals she wants. If the dnc wants the party to become politically viable at all levels, rather than barely hanging on by its fingernails in the presidential race as the last, desperate, bastion of relevance, it needs to address what the voters have been saying since Reagan.

In any case - 2010 was the democrats' election to lose. The only people you can blame that loss on is the Obama democratic administration.



Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 6:47 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

I never expected anything. Did you?

But the republican faithful did notice. Hence teaparty1, new teaparty2. new, new teaparty, ever more pure and faithful teaparty, a 2016 slate of teapartyesque primary candidates, and finally, the ultimate expression of populistic political rejection of republican business as usual - Trump. So yeah, I'd say they noticed.
Remember 9/11? Remember how it was impossible to pin the blame on Bush? Remember his approval ratings above 90%? Even Democrats approved of Bush. What were they thinking? If it had been Al Gore as President, he would have been crucified by Democrats as an incompetent for 9/11. Such is the power of the Republican Party. That is why they keep coming back into the White House and hold on to at least a near majority in Congress. Voters forget what really happened, no matter how memorable and huge the event, and are reminded with false history written by Republicans that it was always the Democrats' fault.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-311154/9-11-inquiry-blames-US-governm
ent.html
As time passes and memories fade, Reps get ever more determined to shift ALL blame for 9/11 to Dems: http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/20/fox-news-rewrites-history-
to-blame-bill-clinton/206294

The Tea Party is very forgiving of failure. They still voted for Bush in 2004. They didn't toss aside Bush and find their evil-twin equivalent of Bernie Sanders for the Tea Party candidate running against Bush.

Bush's reaction when he hears the second tower at the World Trade Center has been hit. If it had been Pres. Al Gore sitting like a doofus in the video, the Republican majority in Congress would have impeached him.


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Monday, August 8, 2016 6:50 AM

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Trump’s enablers will have to take a stand

David Brooks says there’s no more middle ground to keep dancing between embracing mogul and disowning him.

Trump cannot be contained because he is psychologically off the chain. With each passing week he displays the classic symptoms of medium-grade mania in more disturbing forms: inflated self-esteem, sleeplessness, impulsivity, aggression and a compulsion to offer advice on subjects he knows nothing about.

His speech patterns are like something straight out of a psychiatric textbook. Manics display something called “flight of ideas.” It’s a formal thought disorder in which ideas tumble forth through a disordered chain of associations. One word sparks another, which sparks another, and they’re off to the races. As one trained psychiatrist said to me, compare Donald Trump’s speaking patterns to a Robin Williams monologue, but with insults instead of jokes. Trump insults Paul Ryan, undermines NATO and raises the specter of nuclear war. Advisers can’t control Trump’s brain because Trump can’t control it himself

He also cannot be contained because he lacks the inner equipment that makes decent behavior possible. So many of our daily social interactions depend on a basic capacity for empathy. But Trump displays an absence of this quality.

He looks at the grieving mother of a war hero and is unable to recognize her pain. He hears a crying baby and is unable to recognize the infant’s emotion or the mother’s discomfort. He is told of women being sexually harassed at Fox News and is unable to recognize their trauma.

The same blindness that makes him impervious to global outrage makes it impossible for him to make empathetic connection. Fear is his only bond.

Some people compare Trump to the great authoritarians of history, but that’s wrong. They were generally disciplined men with grandiose plans. Trump is underdeveloped and unregulated.

He is a slave to his own pride, compelled by a childlike impulse to lash out at anything that threatens his fragile identity.

Republicans are not going to be able to help the 70-year-old man-child grow up over the next few months. Nor are they going to be able to get him to withdraw from the race. A guy who can raise $82 million mostly in small donations has a passionate niche following.
www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/trumps-enablers-will-finally-have-t
o-take-a-stand.html

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Monday, August 8, 2016 7:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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With each passing week he displays the classic symptoms of medium-grade mania in more disturbing forms: inflated self-esteem, sleeplessness, impulsivity, aggression and a compulsion to offer advice on subjects he knows nothing about.

His speech patterns are like something straight out of a psychiatric textbook. Manics display something called “flight of ideas.” It’s a formal thought disorder in which ideas tumble forth through a disordered chain of associations. One word sparks another, which sparks another, and they’re off to the races.
Assuming this is shown to be true, for an armchair psychologist I guess I'm not too bad. I've been saying this almost since I started posting about Trump. So this armchair dx isn't new, at least not to me.

Better a manic than a pathological warmonger. At least IMHO.


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, August 8, 2016 7:51 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Assuming this is shown to be true, for an armchair psychologist I guess I'm not too bad. I've been saying this almost since I started posting about Trump. So this armchair dx isn't new, at least not to me.

Better a manic than a pathological warmonger. At least IMHO.
It is worse than you think.

Donald Trump 'is psychologically unbalanced'

Dr Halper-Hayes, who has previously defended Mr Trump, told Today programme presenter Justin Webb that she was "very concerned" about the psychological state of the presidential nominee.

Donald Trump is "out of control" according to Dr Jan Halper-Hayes, worldwide vice-president of Republicans Overseas.
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36963984



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Monday, August 8, 2016 11:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I know this rally belongs in the Hillary thread, but ....


Is Something Wrong With Hillary: Bizarre Behavior, Seizure Allegations Raise Doubts About Her Health

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As the presidential campaign enters its final stages, probing questions have emerged about the health condition of Hillary Clinton.

Hillary' bizarre, erratic behavior on the campaign trail has left many people wondering whether she is seriously ill. Hillary has at multiple times had convulsions that appear to be seizures on camera, including a series of seemingly inexplicable coughing fits.




A frequently referenced video, shown below, alleging that Hillary may have seizure-like conditions emerged several weeks ago and has so far failed to lead to a conclusive explanation whether Hillary may have ongoing health problems and potential residual aftereffects from a blood clot in her brain sustained three years ago.



Hillary Clinton has seizure when talking to reporters - Imgur


Recall in January 2013, CNN reported that then Secretary of State Clinton was treated with blood thinners at a New York hospital to help dissolve a blood clot in her head. Back then doctors were confident she would make a full recovery. Clinton was admitted to New York Presbyterian Hospital on Sunday due to the clot that was discovered during a follow-up exam related to a concussion she suffered this month, her spokesman, Philippe Reines, said. The clot was located in the vein between the brain and and the skull behind Clinton's right ear and did not result in any stroke or neurological damage, her doctors said in a statement.

Going further back, back in 2005, then Senator Hillary fainted during a speech in Buffalo, NY, where she received medical attention on site. “About five minutes into the speech, she said she was queasy,” said Erie County Democratic Chairman Len Lenihan, who was at the Women’s TAP fund-raiser at the private club. "Clinton left the podium and continued her talk sitting in a chair but eventually left the room, saying she needed a break, Lenihan said. She returned to the podium a short time later but fainted before resuming her speech. “It became clear she was faint. She was sort of brought down gracefully,” he said.

The room was cleared, and Clinton immediately received medical attention from, among others, a doctor who attended the event.

And so, questions about Hillary's health remain, especially after photos emerged over the weekend showing Hillary demonstrating unease while climbing stairs.

Hillary being helped up stairs


Hillary stroke doctor

[Although these photos were actually taken in FEBRUARY- SIGNY]


This has led to further speculation about the identity of a man, allegedly part of her secret service, who some has been dubbed as her "handler", a person who is supposedly her personal doctor

Hillary's Handler? Brain washer? pic.twitter.com/5lsCTc8Vdk

— Mike Cernovich (@Cernovich) August 7, 2016

As Mike Cernovich points out, here’s a picture of Hillary’s handler before he joined Secret Service. He’s in casual attire

Every SS agent is in a suit. Hillary's handler is causal. Something huge is up. https://t.co/MR1a1YkMCt pic.twitter.com/T2UIZ1u4JJ

— Mike Cernovich (@Cernovich) August 7, 2016

We saw this first “doctor” during Hillary’s recent freeze-up. As the following captures show, Hillary’s handler appears always ready to reassure Hillary, moving Secret Service Agents out of the way, urging her to "keep talking". According to Cernovich "this handler is not an ordinary SS agent."



— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) August 4, 2016

Hillary seizure doctor

Further adding to the mystery, Cernovich also points out - in an unconfirmed report - that the so called "handler" appears to carry a Diazepam pen.



The device in question is a Diazepam auto-injector pens are used for for Acute Repetitive Seizures. Diazepam is one of the medications prescribed for patients who experience recurrent seizures.

https://t.co/yHDQMQInF6@TWA2Garp @SoonerGirl000 @PositiveInt

— Skip Trace_ (@skiptrace_) August 8, 2016

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-08/something-wrong-hillary-bizar
re-behavior-seizure-allegations-raise-doubts-about-her-


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, August 8, 2016 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I know this rally belongs in the Hillary thread, but ....


Is Something Wrong With Hillary: Bizarre Behavior, Seizure Allegations Raise Doubts About Her Health.
And FDR had polio, so Republican Herbert Hoover should have been reelected President rather than Roosevelt. Hoover outlived Roosevelt by 20 years, thus Hoover would have been the better President. Except Roosevelt was one of the best Presidents while Hoover was in the category of worst Presidents: a stubborn, incompetent asshole (much like Trump) who spent the rest of his life muttering that FDR was a Commie. Even drunkard in the White House Nixon is better rated than Hoover.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the
_United_States

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Monday, August 8, 2016 12:38 PM

1KIKI

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second

You misremember the first few weeks after 9/11. People where shocked, uncertain. Even weeks later dumbya had to tell people to 'go shopping', which had a lot of people internally snickering.

No, the adulation came later, after dumbya settled on Afghanistan and it went so very quickly (never mind the fact that a decade and a half later we're still there).

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 12:41 PM

1KIKI

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signy

creepy videos

I've seen a lot of seizures but I've not seen anything like those. That weird expression plastered on her face doesn't make any sense at all, seizure-wise, nor does the head-bobbing, or the freezing. They're bilateral and/ or global unlike normal adult-onset seizures that start focally then generalize.

Head bobbing shows up in infantile spasms, but it doesn't look the same ... and Hillary's not an infant.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 12:52 PM

1KIKI

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Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 1:06 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
second

You misremember the first few weeks after 9/11. People where shocked, uncertain. Even weeks later dumbya had to tell people to 'go shopping', which had a lot of people internally snickering.

No, the adulation came later, after dumbya settled on Afghanistan and it went so very quickly (never mind the fact that a decade and a half later we're still there).
So Very Wrong. One of the points I was making is that Americans are easy to fool for good or bad ratings. To show that, I have to show the voters being immediately fooled. It took years to slowly come to a wiser opinion about Bush, but all his inadequacies were present when he was Gov of Texas and while he was campaigning in 2000: "Mr. Bush enjoyed a high approval rating of 90 percent -- the highest of any president -- following the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.

Mr. Bush edged out his father for that highest rating. George H.W. Bush received an 88 percent approval rating in 1991 amid the success of the first Gulf War. Truman comes closest to Mr. Bush's record low approval rating of 20 percent."
www.cbsnews.com/news/bushs-final-approval-rating-22-percent/
www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.a
spx


Typical Republicans loved Bush all the way to the end of his term.
Greatest President Ever next to George Washington!



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Monday, August 8, 2016 3:29 PM

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http://time.com/4443382/donald-trump-economic-speech-detroit-transcrip
t/

Donald Trump just finished his big economic policy speech. Every single one of his proposals would benefit the rich and do nothing for the working and middle classes. But he sure knows how to put a populist spin ("your tax will be zero!") on giveaways to the rich, doesn't he? Here are the pieces that caught my eye:

Huge tax cut for the rich.

But no spending cuts that he's willing to admit to.

End of estate taxes.

Cut corporate tax rate to 15 percent.

Allow corporations to repatriate foreign earnings at a special 10 percent rate.

Slash regulations on corporations.

Pretend global warming doesn't exist.

Ban all new financial regulation.

Repeal Obamacare.

Most of the speech was just the usual tired Republican orthodoxy. Mitt Romney could have given 90 percent of it. There was also a lot of random guff about how disastrous the economy is; how the unemployment rate is a hoax; and how American energy, planes, cars, steel, and so forth will employ way more American workers once he becomes president.

You bet.



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Monday, August 8, 2016 4:08 PM

1KIKI

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"you post really obvious, really poorly manipulated videos"

How are they manipulated? They show the troubling events in time-relevant context. And that's what I was looking for, which didn't show up in the previous videos, which is the complete before-during-after sequence in real time.

They look like neurologically aberrant events that arise out of routine circumstances. And the experience I have (I'm not a neurologist) doesn't even allow me to classify them, except perhaps the 'interview' one, where her eyes (and body) very briefly deviate to her left. That could indicate a focal lateralized seizure, probably right-sided. But all the rest of it - the confused, terrified freezing; the repeated head-jerk; the stereotypic surprise-mask - looks completely bizarre to me.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 4:37 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"you post really obvious, really poorly manipulated videos"

How are they manipulated? They show the troubling events in time-relevant context. And that's what I was looking for, which didn't show up in the previous videos, which is the complete before-during-after sequence in real time.

They look like neurologically aberrant events that arise out of routine circumstances. And the experience I have (I'm not a neurologist) doesn't even allow me to classify them, except perhaps the 'interview' one, where her eyes (and body) very briefly deviate to her left. That could indicate a focal lateralized seizure, probably right-sided. But all the rest of it - the confused, terrified freezing; the repeated head-jerk; the stereotypic surprise-mask - looks completely bizarre to me.



Moronic and subjective post 1kiki. Means nothing try again.

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Monday, August 8, 2016 4:47 PM

1KIKI

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Thanks for the bump. You're a useful idiot that way.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 5:13 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Thanks for the bump. You're a useful idiot that way.
I checked 1kiki's Hillary scoop at Snopes, famous for investigating internet rumors.

www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-slipping-on-stairs/

www.snopes.com/photograph-incontinent-hillary-clinton/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one.

www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-demanded-this-photo-be-removed/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one.

After looking at each of 1kiki's pieces of disinformation, Snopes concluded that 1kiki is deliberately misleading you.

Shame on you, 1kiki.

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Monday, August 8, 2016 5:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I checked 1kiki's Hillary scoop at Snopes, famous for investigating internet rumors. Lie #1.

Not mine, honey.


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-slipping-on-stairs/ Lie #2.

Not mine either.

I did look at it. Hillary looked unusually slow and careful going up the stairs. She could have been drugged, drunk, dizzy, or just old and tired. And she clearly tripped at the top, she didn't just 'fall'. But even if she tripped over 'nothing' - she was dragging a toe - it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Which is why I didn't address it.


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-demanded-this-photo-be-removed/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one. Lie #3.

I didn't 'forget'. I just didn't post it.
So now you know what's in my mind well enough to attribute thoughts to me? Are you that mean, or that stupid, or what? You tell me. How do you explain your fabrications?


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

As Snopes says: "Red bullets mark claims which cannot be established as true by a preponderance of (reliable) evidence." Which doesn't mean 'false' for your information. It means - as SNOPES clearly indicated, "unproven".


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-demanded-this-photo-be-removed/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one. Lie #4.

I didn't 'forget'. I just didn't post it.
So now you know what's in my mind well enough to attribute thoughts to me? Are you that mean, or that stupid, or what? You tell me. How do you explain your fabrications?


After looking at each of 1kiki's pieces of disinformation ... Lie #5.

Nope. Just ONE of the things I posted was even addressed by SNOPES. And you falsely attributed three to me I excluded.



The facts concluded that second is deliberately misleading you.

Shame on you, second. (fixed that for you - you're welcome)



Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 6:30 PM

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1kiki, Snopes does not take sides. I do. You do. You are at war with Hillary. You are also siding with Trump, since you keep shoveling misleading Hillary stories into real news stories of Trump.

And your skin is thin, 1kiki.
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Not mine, honey.
Lie #2.
Lie #3.
Lie #4.
Lie #5.


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Monday, August 8, 2016 6:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Originally posted by second:
"Snopes concluded that 1kiki is deliberately misleading you."
"1kiki, Snopes does not take sides."

Are you schizophrenic?

Originally posted by second:
Since you keep shoveling misleading Hillary stories into real news stories of Trump.

Meanwhile, apparently looking at genuine videos that actually exist is 'misleading'. Just as looking at Hillary's history with Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, and Syria is 'misleading'. And looking at her actual convoluted statements about trade agreements is 'misleading'. Not only that, looking through the draft DNC platform is also 'misleading'.

Meanwhile, second's endless posting of comedy shows, comics, opinions, fabrications, and lies, is 'factual'.

Right, second?

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 7:17 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Meanwhile, second's endless posting of comedy shows, comics, opinions, fabrications, and lies, is 'factual'.

Right, second?
Wrong. You didn't respond to this one on this very page:
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60557&mid=1014824#
1014824

It was all Trump, being himself. So what did you think of his: "Finally, no family will have to pay the death tax. American workers have paid taxes their whole lives, and they should not be taxed again at death – it’s just plain wrong. We will repeal it." The estate tax exemption is $5.43 million, so it is a tax break for me, not you and not the middle class. Every Trump tax cut is directed at the upper class. It's just the standard Republican promise going back to Reagan. Trump's followers will not be getting Trump's promised zero tax rate unless they have zero earned income: "For many American workers, their tax rate will be zero." -- Trump.

"These are the real unemployment numbers – the five percent figure is one of the biggest hoaxes in modern politics." -- Trump.

"No one will gain more from these proposals than low-and-middle income Americans." -- Trump.

"Just enforcing intellectual property rules alone could save millions of American jobs. According to the U.S. International Trade Commission, improved protection of America’s intellectual property in China would produce more than 2 million more jobs right here in the United States." -- Trump. Yes, if only China could be prevented from pirating Disney cartoons, there would be 500,000 more animators working in Burbank and Emeryville, California.

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Monday, August 8, 2016 10:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Originally posted by 1kiki:
Meanwhile, second's endless posting of comedy shows, comics, opinions, fabrications, and lies, is 'factual'.
Right, second?
Originally posted by second:
Wrong. You didn't respond to this one on this very page:
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60557&mid=1014824#
1014824


So that's your excuse for endlessly lying? You posted ONE thing (you claim) is true?

Tell you what, second.

IF you apologize for lying about me. and
IF you respond to a factual post of mine. and
IF don't evade the topic, lie, or snark. and
IF you support your claims with links and cites.

I'll discuss one of yours.

After you.

But I'm not holding my breath.


Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 10:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Originally posted by 1kiki:
Meanwhile, second's endless posting of comedy shows, comics, opinions, fabrications, and lies, is 'factual'.
Right, second?
Originally posted by second:
Wrong. You didn't respond to this one on this very page:
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60557&mid=1014824#
1014824


So that's your excuse for endlessly lying? You posted ONE thing (you claim) is true?

Tell you what, second.

IF you apologize for lying about me. and
IF you respond to a factual post of mine. and
IF don't evade the topic, lie, or snark. and
IF you support your claims with links and cites.

I'll discuss one of yours.

After you.

But even though all I'm asking is for normal, everyday, honesty and common courtesy, I'm not holding my breath.


Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 10:45 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

So that's your excuse for endlessly lying? You posted ONE thing (you claim) is true?

Tell you what, second.

IF you apologize for lying about me. and
IF you respond to a factual post of mine. and
IF don't evade the topic, lie, or snark. and
IF you support your claims with links and cites.

I'll discuss one of yours.

After you.

But even though all I'm asking is for normal, everyday, honesty and common courtesy, I'm not holding my breath.
My God! You have morphed into Donald Trump. You write like he talks!

GOP senator Susan Collins: Why I cannot support Trump
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/gop-senator-why-i-cannot-support-trump
/2016/08/08/821095be-5d7e-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html

By Susan Collins August 8 at 9:00 PM

The writer, a Republican, represents Maine in the Senate.

I will not be voting for Donald Trump for president. This is not a decision I make lightly, for I am a lifelong Republican. But Donald Trump does not reflect historical Republican values nor the inclusive approach to governing that is critical to healing the divisions in our country.

When the primary season started, it soon became apparent that, much like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Mr. Trump was connecting with many Americans who felt that their voices were not being heard in Washington and who were tired of political correctness. But rejecting the conventions of political correctness is different from showing complete disregard for common decency. Mr. Trump did not stop with shedding the stilted campaign dialogue that often frustrates voters. Instead, he opted for a constant stream of denigrating comments, including demeaning Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) heroic military service and repeatedly insulting Fox News host Megyn Kelly.

With the passage of time, I have become increasingly dismayed by his constant stream of cruel comments and his inability to admit error or apologize. But it was his attacks directed at people who could not respond on an equal footing — either because they do not share his power or stature or because professional responsibility precluded them from engaging at such a level — that revealed Mr. Trump as unworthy of being our president.

My conclusion about Mr. Trump’s unsuitability for office is based on his disregard for the precept of treating others with respect, an idea that should transcend politics. Instead, he opts to mock the vulnerable and inflame prejudices by attacking ethnic and religious minorities. Three incidents in particular have led me to the inescapable conclusion that Mr. Trump lacks the temperament, self-discipline and judgment required to be president.

The first was his mocking of a reporter with disabilities, a shocking display that did not receive the scrutiny it deserved. I kept expecting Mr. Trump to apologize, at least privately, but he did not, instead denying that he had done what seemed undeniable to anyone who watched the video. At the time, I hoped that this was a terrible lapse, not a pattern of abuse.

The second was Mr. Trump’s repeated insistence that Gonzalo Curiel, a federal judge born and raised in Indiana, could not rule fairly in a case involving Trump University because of his Mexican heritage. For Mr. Trump to insist that Judge Curiel would be biased because of his ethnicity demonstrated a profound lack of respect not only for the judge but also for our constitutional separation of powers, the very foundation of our form of government. Again, I waited in vain for Mr. Trump to retract his words.

Third was Donald Trump’s criticism of the grieving parents of Army Capt. Humayun Khan, who was killed in Iraq. It is inconceivable that anyone, much less a presidential candidate, would attack two Gold Star parents. Rather than honoring their sacrifice and recognizing their pain, Mr. Trump disparaged the religion of the family of an American hero. And once again, he proved incapable of apologizing, of saying he was wrong.

I am also deeply concerned that Mr.?Trump’s lack of self-restraint and his barrage of ill-informed comments would make an already perilous world even more so. It is reckless for a presidential candidate to publicly raise doubts about honoring treaty commitments with our allies. Mr. Trump’s tendency to lash out when challenged further escalates the possibility of disputes spinning dangerously out of control.

I had hoped that we would see a “new” Donald Trump as a general-election candidate — one who would focus on jobs and the economy, tone down his rhetoric, develop more thoughtful policies and, yes, apologize for ill-tempered rants. But the unpleasant reality that I have had to accept is that there will be no “new” Donald Trump, just the same candidate who will slash and burn and trample anything and anyone he perceives as being in his way or an easy scapegoat. Regrettably, his essential character appears to be fixed, and he seems incapable of change or growth.

At the same time, I realize that Mr.?Trump’s success reflects profound discontent in this country, particularly among those who feel left behind by an unbalanced economy and who wonder whether their children will have a better life than their parents. As we have seen with the dissatisfaction with both major- party nominees — neither of whom I support — these passions are real and the public will demand action.

Some will say that as a Republican I have an obligation to support my party’s nominee. I have thought long and hard about that, for being a Republican is part of what defines me as a person. I revere the history of my party, most particularly the value it has always placed on the worth and dignity of the individual, and I will continue to work across the country for Republican candidates. It is because of Mr. Trump’s inability and unwillingness to honor that legacy that I am unable to support his candidacy.

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Monday, August 8, 2016 11:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Originally posted by 1kiki:
So that's your excuse for endlessly lying? You posted ONE thing (you claim) is true?
Tell you what, second.
IF you apologize for lying about me. and
IF you respond to a factual post of mine. and
IF don't evade the topic, lie, or snark. and
IF you support your claims with links and cites.
I'll discuss one of yours.
After you.
But even though all I'm asking is for normal, everyday, honesty and common courtesy, I'm not holding my breath.

Originally posted by second:
My God! You have morphed into Donald Trump. You write like he talks!

Ok! now I see what kind of person you are. And that is a person without integrity or humanity.

Just like Hillary.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 11:23 PM

THGRRI


Every place I look 1kiki is getting her clock cleaned. Her lies have a constant barrage of facts thrown against them disproving what she posts in thread after thread.

Prediction:

1kiki learns nothing and continues being an ass.

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Monday, August 8, 2016 11:30 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Ok! now I see what kind of person you are. And that is a person without integrity or humanity.

Typical Hillary supporter.
I'm a typical Democrat, rather than Hillary supporter. But at least she supports Obamacare, as do I, while Trump wants it cancelled -- like Firefly. Is 1kiki with Trump on cancelling Obamacare?

Hillary believes the global warming is real, as do I, while Trump believes it is a hoax. Is 1kiki with Trump in believing it is a hoax?

Trump’s shallowness runs deep
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-shallowness-run
s-deep/2016/08/03/f7311b20-58d3-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

By George F. Will, Opinion writer, August 3

In the 1870s, when Boss Tweed’s Tammany Hall controlled New York City, and in the 1950s and 1960s, when Chicago’s Democratic machine was especially rampant, there was a phenomenon that can be called immunity through profusion: Fresh scandals arrived with metronomic regularity, so there was no time to concentrate on any of them. The public, bewildered by blitzkriegs of bad behavior, was enervated.

What Winston Churchill said about an adversary — “He spoke without a note, and almost without a point” — can be said of Donald Trump, but this might be unfair to him. His speeches are, of course, syntactical train wrecks, but there might be method to his madness. He rarely finishes a sentence (“Believe me!” does not count), but perhaps he is not the scatterbrain he has so successfully contrived to appear. Maybe he actually is a sly rascal, cunningly in pursuit of immunity through profusion.

He seems to understand that if you produce a steady stream of sufficiently stupefying statements, there will be no time to dwell on any one of them, and the net effect on the public will be numbness and ennui. So, for example, while the nation has been considering his interesting decision to try to expand his appeal by attacking Gold Star parents, little attention has been paid to this: Vladimir Putin’s occupation of Crimea has escaped Trump’s notice.

It is, surely, somewhat noteworthy that someone aspiring to be this nation’s commander in chief has somehow not noticed the fact that for two years now a sovereign European nation has been being dismembered. But a thoroughly jaded American public, bemused by the depths of Trump’s shallowness, might have missed the following from Trump’s appearance Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”

When host George Stephanopoulos asked, “Why did you soften the GOP platform on Ukraine?” — removing the call for providing lethal weapons for Ukraine to defend itself — Trump said: “[Putin’s] not going into Ukraine, okay? Just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.”

Stephanopoulos: “Well, he’s already there, isn’t he?”

Trump: “Okay, well, he’s there in a certain way, but I’m not there yet. You have [President] Obama there. And frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama, with all the strength that you’re talking about and all of the power of NATO and all of this, in the meantime, he’s going where — he takes — takes Crimea, he’s sort of — I mean .?.?. ”

What Trump, in that word salad, calls the “certain way” that Putin is in Crimea is called annexation, enforced by the Russian army. But Trump — channeling his inner Woodrow Wilson and his principle of ethnic self-determination — says what has happened to Crimea is sort of democratic because “from what I’ve heard” the people of Crimea “would rather be with Russia than where they were.”

Before the interview ended, Trump expressed his displeasure with the schedule for presidential debates, two of which are on nights with nationally televised NFL games. (There are such games three nights each autumn week.) “I got a letter from the NFL,” Trump claimed, “saying this is ridiculous.” The NFL says it sent no such letter. But before this Trump fib/figment of his imagination/hallucination can be properly savored, it will be washed away by a riptide of others. Immunity through profusion.

The nation, however, is not immune to the lasting damage that is being done to it by Trump’s success in normalizing post-factual politics. It is being poisoned by the injection into its bloodstream of the cynicism required of those Republicans who persist in pretending that although Trump lies constantly and knows nothing, these blemishes do not disqualify him from being president.

As when, last week, Mike Pence reproved Obama for deploring, obviously with Trump in mind, “homegrown demagogues.” Pence, doing his well-practiced imitation of a country vicar saddened by the discovery of sin in his parish, said with sorrowful solemnity: “I don’t think name-calling has any place in public life.” As in “Lyin’ Ted” Cruz and “Little Marco” Rubio and “Crooked Hillary” Clinton?

Pence is just the most recent example of how the rubble of ruined reputations will become deeper before Nov. 8. It has been well said that “sooner or later, we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.” The Republican Party’s multicourse banquet has begun.



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Monday, August 8, 2016 11:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hillary will get nothing on climate change, no matter what she wants you to think the future holds with her. She also won't get universal healthcare, the public option or any of the other fantasies she promotes. Obamacare will stand or fall in the courts. It will not be voted out in the senate, so Hillary's position is moot.

If you're a typical democrat, you're a poor example of democrats in general. No wonder they've been such losers over the years.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 8, 2016 11:43 PM

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Hillary will get nothing on climate change, no matter what she wants you to think the future holds with her. She also won't get universal healthcare, the public option or any of the other fantasies she promotes. Obamacare will stand or fall in the courts. It will not be voted out in the senate, so Hillary's position is moot.
Do you have a personal position on Obamacare or climate change? I have never run into a Dem or a Rep or an any other thing that didn't have a position on those two. Does your position lineup with Trump's?

Why Some Republican Women Are Voting for Hillary Clinton
They hate Donald Trump’s misogyny. They like that the left can’t stand her.
And maybe a few have warmed up to Hillary Clinton herself.

By Michelle Goldberg, Aug. 8 2016, 4:34 PM
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/08/why_some_rep
ublican_women_are_voting_for_hillary_clinton.html

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Do you have a personal position on Obamacare or climate change?

I don't live in a fantasy world, like you do.

How about discussing something attached to reality?

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:46 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

I don't live in a fantasy world, like you do.

How about discussing something attached to reality?
So you've got no opinion about global warming being a hoax or not? And no opinion about Obamacare deserving to be cancelled or not? That is odd to have no opinion on those, especially since it costs nothing to have one and all Dems and Reps do have opinions on those. It has been in the news.

Let's try another question that's very real: Do you support settling Muslim refugees in the USA? Hillary does, Democrats do, Trump does not, nor do Republicans.

On that very subject Trump said in Detroit on Aug 8th something that is far more muted than normal for him: “Our roads and our bridges fell into disrepair, yet we found the money to resettle millions of refugees at taxpayer expense.” He is subtler than usual about refugees. Didn't mention Muslims, either.

It is true that American infrastructure has deteriorated significantly over several decades, in part due to many years of neglect by state and federal officials of both parties. Nevertheless, in 2014, the most recent year on record, federal, state and local governments spent $416bn on infrastructure, including $96bn from the federal government, according to the Congressional Budget Office, an increase from previous years.
www.nytimes.com/2015/11/06/us/politics/human-cost-rises-as-old-bridges
-dams-and-roads-go-unrepaired.html

These figures dwarf spending on refugee resettlement, according to the nonpartisan National Conference of State Legislatures, which found that the Office of Refugee Resettlement spent $1.56bn in the fiscal year of 2015.
www.ncsl.org/research/immigration/the-u-s-refugee-resettlement-program
-a-primer-for-policymakers.aspx

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:26 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Do you support settling Muslim refugees in the USA? Hillary does, Democrats do, Trump does not, nor do Republicans.

Republicans are far from a supermajority in the senate. Assuming democrats can stiffen their spines, nothing that republicans want will pass. All of your topics are moot.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:53 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Do you support settling Muslim refugees in the USA? Hillary does, Democrats do, Trump does not, nor do Republicans.

Republicans are far from a supermajority in the senate. Assuming democrats can stiffen their spines, nothing that republicans want will pass. All of your topics are moot.
So you've got no opinion on refugees, either.

This next question can be answered by "moot" but the Supreme Court won't stay at 8 justices or fewer for the next 4 years. Somebody has to give in and make a decision. I believe the next President will choose a Supreme Court Justice and the Senate will confirm.

Which does 1kiki prefer? An Antonin Scalia, as Trump prefers? Or Merrick Garland, the nominee in waiting? Remember, Scalia voted for Citizens United. I'd prefer another Ginsberg. Hillary was not a fan of Scalia or Scalia clones.

Please don't say "moot", again. You're allowed to have an opinion even if every Rep Senator disagrees with you.

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 2:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


" So you've got no opinion on refugees, either. "

Thanks for falsely imputing notions to me. Again.

With your chronic lying, you've made it clear you have no interest in reasonable discussion at all.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 2:35 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
" So you've got no opinion on refugees, either. "

Thanks for falsely imputing notions to me. Again.

With your chronic lying, you've made it clear you have no interest in reasonable discussion at all.
Very sorry I misunderstood you. But what is your opinion of refugees? Is it for refugees? (Hillary's and my position) Is your opinion against refugees? (Trump's position) Or is your opinion "moot"? Which leaves me with another question: Does "moot" mean you're still debating with yourself what your opinion is? Or does it mean "no opinion"? Or does it mean you're waiting for some event to help you to decide what your opinion is?

And there is still the Supreme Court question. Do you want another Antonin Scalia? (Trump's position) Or a Merrick Garland? (Hillary's and Obama's position) Or a Ruth Bader Ginsburg? (My position) Or you don't care because nobody nominated by a Democratic President will ever get past GOP's Mitch McConnell unless the nominee is a Scalia clone?



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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 2:49 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Tell you what, second.

IF you apologize for lying about me. and
IF you respond to a factual post of mine. and
IF don't evade the topic, lie, or snark. and
IF you support your claims with links and cites.

I'll discuss one of yours.

This is what I'm talking about.

I checked 1kiki's Hillary scoop at Snopes, famous for investigating internet rumors. Lie #1.

Not mine, honey.


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-slipping-on-stairs/ Lie #2.

Not mine either.

I did look at it. Hillary looked unusually slow and careful going up the stairs. She could have been drugged, drunk, dizzy, or just old and tired. And she clearly tripped at the top, she didn't just 'fall'. But even if she tripped over 'nothing' - she was dragging a toe - it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Which is why I didn't address it.


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-demanded-this-photo-be-removed/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one. Lie #3.

I didn't 'forget'. I just didn't post it.
So now you know what's in my mind well enough to attribute thoughts to me? Are you that mean, or that stupid, or what? You tell me. How do you explain your fabrications?


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

As Snopes says: "Red bullets mark claims which cannot be established as true by a preponderance of (reliable) evidence." Which doesn't mean 'false' for your information. It means - as SNOPES clearly indicated, "unproven".


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-demanded-this-photo-be-removed/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one. Lie #4.

I didn't 'forget'. I just didn't post it.
So now you know what's in my mind well enough to attribute thoughts to me? Are you that mean, or that stupid, or what? You tell me. How do you explain your fabrications?


After looking at each of 1kiki's pieces of disinformation ... Lie #5.

Nope. Just ONE of the things I posted was even addressed by SNOPES. And you falsely attributed three to me I excluded.



Those are my requirements.

After you.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:08 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Tell you what, second.

After you.
You won't tell me yes or no, for or against, Muslim refugee entering the USA unless I do as you demand. And even then you might not respond with an answer other than "moot".

Trump says he would bring millions of 50-cent-an-hour jobs back from China and — even though he opposes a higher minimum wage — somehow transform them into high-paying jobs.

How? I believe it is a complete fantasy. As does Hillary. No one will ever know what 1kiki believes.

Donald Trump Has No Jobs Plan At All
by Kevin Drum, Aug. 8, 2016, 8:24 PM

Will cutting taxes on the rich, combined with reducing regulation on Wall Street and big corporations, create millions of jobs, as Donald Trump claims? As you may recall, we tried that tonic fairly recently during the presidency of George W. Bush. It didn't really turn out so well. The graphs of Bush’s job creation, going year by year, are here:
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/08/donald-trump-has-no-jobs-plan-a
ll

Jobs started to recover sooner on Obama's watch than Bush's, probably thanks to his stimulus package. Bush just cut taxes on the rich and left it at that.

Based on his speech this morning, there's no real difference between Bush and Trump on economic policy except for Trump's claim that he'll get tough on trade. I doubt that, myself, but it hardly matters. Renegotiating a couple of trade treaties just wouldn't generate very many jobs. Done badly, in fact—a pretty likely scenario in a Trump presidency—it would hurt job growth. Trade wars have a habit of doing that.

Note that I'm not really making a case for the brilliance of Obama's economic policies here. I'm just pointing out that Trump's policies are little more than the same tedious stuff we've heard from Republicans for years. If he thinks this tired old rehash is going to supercharge the economy, he ought to at least make some kind of case for it. It didn't work for Bush. Why should it work for Trump?

And don't even think of pretending that 9/11 ruined the economy under Bush. It had only a minor, short-term effect. If anything, spending on Bush's wars acted as a stimulus.


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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:22 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


All I'm asking is for normal, everyday, honesty and common courtesy.

But this was your reply "My God! You have morphed into Donald Trump. You write like he talks!"

You have not replied in a way that gives me confidence you can engage in productive discussion. You repeatedly tried to bait me with lies about me, you've lied about the topic, ignored the facts, ignored my posts, and engaged in trolling. Until you show me you can discuss with honesty and civility, I have no interest in you.

If you want to proceed, you need to apologize for your behavior, which has been dishonest and manipulative, and show me you can converse normally.

After you.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
All I'm asking is for normal, everyday, honesty and common courtesy.

But this was your reply "My God! You have morphed into Donald Trump. You write like he talks!"

You have not replied in a way that gives me confidence you can engage in productive discussion. You repeatedly tried to bait me with lies about me, you've lied about the topic, ignored the facts, ignored my posts, and engaged in trolling. Until you show me you can discuss with honesty and civility, I have no interest in you.

If you want to proceed, you need to apologize for your behavior, which has been dishonest and manipulative, and show me you can converse normally.

After you.
Trump should release taxes returns
www.cnn.com/2016/08/08/politics/sean-duffy-donald-trump-taxes/

Yesterday in Detroit Trump mentioned his tax-cutting, regulation-curbing plans that are squarely mainstream in his party. He shared few new policy details and continued to offer no specifics for how he would pay for tax cuts or spending increases large enough to balloon the federal budget deficit. He promised more clarity in coming weeks. He said nothing about his personal tax returns.

Wisconsin Rep. Sean Duffy, a Republican, said Monday he thinks Donald Trump should release his tax returns. "I think he should release his taxes," Duffy told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room." "I think he should. We deserve all the information about these candidates that we can get our hands on to make an educated vote in November," he told Blitzer.

Trump said in May he would make his tax returns public when the "routine audit" they are under is complete, though the IRS has said there is nothing legally keeping him from releasing them while they under review. "In interview I told @AP that my taxes are under routine audit and I would release my tax returns when audit is complete, not after election!" the real estate mogul tweeted.

And Trump's campaign chairman Paul Manafort has said he doesn't think the Republican nominee will release his returns -- saying the documents are "incredibly complicated" and the American people wouldn't understand them.

The GOP's 2012 nominee, Mitt Romney, has called Trump's decision not to release his returns "disqualifying."

"Mr. Trump says he is being audited," Romney wrote in a Facebook post in May. "So? There is nothing that prevents releasing tax returns that are being audited. Further, he could release returns for the years immediately prior to the years under audit."

Romney, who has been a vocal critic of Trump, said there was "only one logical explanation" for Trump's refusal to release his returns: "There is a bombshell in them."

Of course no ordinary business person would want his tax auditors to get free advice from crowd sourced kibitzers, but a tax return is not supposed to be an opening negotiating bid: in signing a tax return, an individual is charged with making a fair and accurate assessment of tax liability against himself. If Mr. Trump’s returns in fact fall short of this standard, that is exactly the sort of insight into the candidate’s character that our tradition of publication is meant to reveal.

By fixating on what juicy tidbits Donald Trump’s tax returns might reveal, we all have missed why it is rational for Trump to incur the heavy political cost of not publishing his tax returns. Donald Trump will not publish his tax returns because he does not expect to be President, or at best has not internalized what becoming President actually entails. Trump’s tax return strategy is directed at a future in which he is not President, but is an even richer self-promoter. Unlike Mitt Romney in 2012, Donald Trump has not turned his back on the business world and committed himself irrevocably to a political career, but rather remains entirely focused on the Trump brand and business. Electoral success is at most a distraction from that.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/290555-tru
mps-pushback-on-tax-return-release-reveal-true

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In an Associated Press interview in May, Trump said “there’s nothing to learn” from his tax returns and dismissed the idea that voters had a right to see them before going to the polls.

But, in a tweet, the self-professed billionaire said he told the news agency he would release his returns when the audit is finished, “not after [the] election.”
www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-says-he-will-be-the-first-candidate-si
nce-1976-not-to-release-tax-returns-2016-05-11

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 7:41 AM

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America loves a winner!


Interesting side note on Trump...well, about him anyway.

I was re-watching the series ' Dead like Me'. I believe it's ep 4 of the 2nd season, where George is talking about the a-holes in history. As she speaks, images of Hitler, Mussolini, etc... pop up, while she explains that nice people finish last, and it's the jerks who always get what they want, etc...

Funny thing , as she was finishing her little rant, the image of none other than a younger Donald Trump appears, JUST as she was uttering the word ' asshole '.

This was from 2004. Man, those writers were good !

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SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND has turned into SECONDRATE. Just like KRAPO, GSTRING, and THUGR, all pretense of civility, rationality, and honesty has disappeared.

SECONDRATE, how does it feel to be on the crazy-bus? And yes, I'm baiting you. Feels great to be baited, doesn't it?



--------------
I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


But on to more interesting topics: Hillary's "seizures".

I agree KIKI, these don't look like seizures, they look possibly like an over-medicated movement disorder.

A little too much dopamine, perhaps??? That "seizure" at the DNC convention looked like nothing so much as a sudden, distracting hallucination which can be caused by dopamine overdose.



--------------
I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND has turned into SECONDRATE. Just like KRAPO, GSTRING, and THUGR, all pretense of civility, rationality, and honesty has disappeared.

SECONDRATE, how does it feel to be on the crazy-bus? And yes, I'm baiting you. Feels great to be baited, doesn't it?
www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/ct-norman-lear-interview-a
nother-version-20160804-column.html
“Trump is the middle finger of the American right hand. I'm not down on the American people, or even the people voting for Trump, but clearly we don't do the work to understand them. If we did, we'd find out just how much we've let them down.”

http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-08-09


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