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Vladimir Kara-Murza: I was at one point connected, I think to eight different artificial life support machines and doctors told my wife that there’s only gonna be about a five percent chance that I’ll survive.

But he beat the odds. When we spoke with him last year, he’d been recovering for a year, but he was still walking with a limp from nerve damage.

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We don’t know what it was because, you know, with these things, as people who know more about this than I do explained to me, you basically have to know exactly what you’re testing for in order to find it.

Lesley Stahl: So they never found the exact compound?

Vladimir Kara-Murza: They never did.

It wasn’t until the fourth day, and after he had been on a dialysis machine, that blood was drawn and sent to a toxicology lab in France. It found heavy metals in his blood

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Vladimir Kara-Murza: I was at one point connected, I think to eight different artificial life support machines and doctors told my wife that there’s only gonna be about a five percent chance that I’ll survive.

But he beat the odds. When we spoke with him last year, he’d been recovering for a year, but he was still walking with a limp from nerve damage.

Lesley Stahl: So what happened?

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Yes, what happened?

Here's a funny thing: I've known know two people PERSONALLY who died of organ failure after a sudden brief illness. One person, who worked for me, had just taken his son to Disneyland on Friday and was dead by Monday. Another person, my husband's surgeon, had attended a medical conference in Florida and by the time his flight landed in LAX he had collapsed and by the next day he was dead.

Coincidence? I think not! Clearly, someone is out to get me.

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Vladimir Kara-Murza: Well, it was some kind of a very strong toxin.

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Although I don't have any proof, that's what I'm going with. Forget "septic shock"!

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We don’t know what it was because, you know, with these things, as people who know more about this than I do explained to me, you basically have to know exactly what you’re testing for in order to find it.

Lesley Stahl: So they never found the exact compound?

Vladimir Kara-Murza: They never did.

It wasn’t until the fourth day, and after he had been on a dialysis machine, that blood was drawn and sent to a toxicology lab in France. It found heavy metals in his blood

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If I were to test YOUR blood, I'd find heavy metals in it. Everyone has some. The question is: how much? You don't "clear" heavy metals quickly, and if anyone had given this man a near-fatal dose, it would have been in his blood weeks later. The whole "heavy metals" mention is just stupid scare-mongering.

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but no specific toxin. Still Kara-Murza maintains that he was poisoned.

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The article goes on to say that Kara-Murza fell ill again with the same symptoms as before. This time samples of his hair, blood and fingernails were sent to a lab in Israel for analysis for toxins. It's only been a month, it will surely take longer to get results. I'll be interested to see what they have to say.




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the immigrants who happen to fill every demographic who like Trump, and they just happen to work with you, BULLSHIT

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Again Jack, posts like this is why I called you a moron. As G said. Most of us spent years ignoring your drunken rants that included misogynistic and grotesque material. I'm back to ignoring you. Good luck with your attempt at sobriety.

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60 Minutes examines the unfortunate fate that stalks some of Putin's most prominent critics: unsolved shootings, suspicious suicides and poisonings

What the president doesn’t talk about is the unfortunate fate that stalks some of Putin’s most prominent critics. They have been victims of unsolved shootings, suspicious suicides and poisonings. Tonight, the story of one of them

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-critic-says-hes-one-of-the-lucky-one
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60 Minutes examines the unfortunate fate that stalks some of Putin's most prominent critics: unsolved shootings, suspicious suicides and poisonings

What the president doesn’t talk about is the unfortunate fate that stalks some of Putin’s most prominent critics. They have been victims of unsolved shootings, suspicious suicides and poisonings. Tonight, the story of one of them

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-critic-says-hes-one-of-the-lucky-one
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Says the Russia troll.

And as far as all the people you claim to know in the many, many different situations that fit into the topics posted, most recently, the immigrants who happen to fill every demographic who like Trump, and they just happen to work with you, BULLSHIT.

This too is a recurring theme with you. It always starts out, I just happen to know. Yeah right....

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He was shuttled from hospital to hospital in Moscow for two days as doctors frantically tried to figure out what was wrong with him.

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Sounds like they were awfully intent on keeping him alive.

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Vladimir Kara-Murza: I was at one point connected, I think to eight different artificial life support machines and doctors told my wife that there’s only gonna be about a five percent chance that I’ll survive.

But he beat the odds. When we spoke with him last year, he’d been recovering for a year, but he was still walking with a limp from nerve damage.

Lesley Stahl: So what happened?

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Yes, what happened?

Here's a funny thing: I've known know two people PERSONALLY who died of organ failure after a sudden brief illness. One person, who worked for me, had just taken his son to Disneyland on Friday and was dead by Monday. Another person, my husband's surgeon, had attended a medical conference in Florida and by the time his flight landed in LAX he had collapsed and by the next day he was dead.

Coincidence? I think not! Clearly, someone is out to get me.

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Vladimir Kara-Murza: Well, it was some kind of a very strong toxin.

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Although I don't have any proof, that's what I'm going with. Forget "septic shock"!

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We don’t know what it was because, you know, with these things, as people who know more about this than I do explained to me, you basically have to know exactly what you’re testing for in order to find it.

Lesley Stahl: So they never found the exact compound?

Vladimir Kara-Murza: They never did.

It wasn’t until the fourth day, and after he had been on a dialysis machine, that blood was drawn and sent to a toxicology lab in France. It found heavy metals in his blood

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If I were to test YOUR blood, I'd find heavy metals in it. Everyone has some. The question is: how much? You don't "clear" heavy metals quickly, and if anyone had given this man a near-fatal dose, it would have been in his blood weeks later. The whole "heavy metals" mention is just stupid scare-mongering.

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but no specific toxin. Still Kara-Murza maintains that he was poisoned.

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The article goes on to say that Kara-Murza fell ill again with the same symptoms as before. This time samples of his hair, blood and fingernails were sent to a lab in Israel for analysis for toxins. It's only been a month, it will surely take longer to get results. I'll be interested to see what they have to say.


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Four Senior Russians Died Suddenly Over Christmas

Four senior Russians died over the Christmas period, adding to the list of powerful figures who have passed since the conflict in Ukraine began.

Since the start in February of Russia's war on Ukraine, several high-profile Russian businessmen have reportedly died by suicide or in unexplained accidents.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/four-senior-russians-died-suddenl
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See if you can follow me here. I creat a thread. I post about what is currently going on in the world that intererts me. Seconds later in many cases jackass posts insultingly stupid shit directed at me.

So, He is a troll. I don' have to show evidence of that. His posts show it. Now, to be a successful troll you at least have to be anoying to the person you are trolling. He is a big time loser at that. I just return to my thread and again, post what interests me. I see he has been here, but I don't follow what he posts.

He cuts a sad figure. It appears as though he see's himself as never fitting in here so he attacks.

Well, so be it. I'll get back to posting what I want, when I want, in my threads.

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Putin’s former top space engineer dies after facing corruption charges

Vladimir Putin’s former chief space engineer — and an accused embezzler — has died at age 74, the fourth person in the Russian president’s orbit to pass away within a week. Nesterov’s cause and manner of death have not been disclosed

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-former-top-space-engineer
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So, scrolling up thru some of the posts... in SECOND's post detailing deaths, there are a few things missing .

One of them is public criticism of Putin. What does it matter if these people- no matter how wealthy- grumble to themselves about the Kremlin? There doesn't appear to be any public motive for killing these men.

And while SOME influential figures might have had a direct bearing on the war effort- head of an energy company, for example- I can't think of anyone more sideways to that than the head of a ski resort. Or a sausage maker.

So,no motive AFAIK.

Another thing missing is their ages.

Another thing missing is how many men of similar wealth and age die in a normal year?

Now, maybe, as speculated, these men saw themselves cut off from their fortunes and escape hatches by western sanctions, and despaired. Maybe some of them were found embezzling or sending their money overseas, and faced long jail sentences. Or maybe they were watching their fortunes implode and drank themselves silly. Or maybe some just had heart attacks.

I guess without more facts it's impossible to say what's going on. Enquiring minds want to know!

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So, scrolling up thru some of the posts... in SECOND's post detailing deaths, there are a few things missing .

One of them is public criticism of Putin. What does it matter if these people- no matter how wealthy- grumble to themselves about the Kremlin? There doesn't appear to be any public motive for killing these men.

And while SOME influential figures might have had a direct bearing on the war effort- head of an energy company, for example- I can't think of anyone more sideways to that than the head of a ski resort. Or a sausage maker.

So,no motive AFAIK.

Another thing missing is their ages.

Another thing missing is how many men of similar wealth and age die in a normal year?

Now, maybe, as speculated, these men saw themselves cut off from their fortunes and escape hatches by western sanctions, and despaired. Maybe some of them were found embezzling or sending their money overseas, and faced long jail sentences. Or maybe they were watching their fortunes implode and drank themselves silly. Or maybe some just had heart attacks.

I guess without more facts it's impossible to say what's going on. Enquiring minds want to know!

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As 2022 draws to a close, Putin has canceled a series of high-profile events.

A state of the nation address, originally scheduled for April, was repeatedly delayed and won't happen until next year. Putin's annual "direct line" — a media event in which Putin fields questions from ordinary Russians — was canceled outright.

An annual December "big press conference" – a semi-staged affair that allows the Russian leader to handle fawning questions from mostly pro-Kremlin media – was similarly tabled until 2023.

The Kremlin has given no reason for the delays. Many suspect it might be that, after 10 months of war and no sign of victory in sight, the Russian leader has run out of good news to share.

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/31/1145981036/war-against-ukraine-has-left
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Don't you get tired of changing topics/ moving goalposts/ dragging red herrings across every thread SECOND?

First of all, altho some might thinks it's clever saying "next year" and "2023", making it sound so far-off, guess what? THAT'S TOMORROW!


Secondly, what are you implying? That Putin is scared of the public? That Putin is sick?

Hate to tell you, but Putin has been extremely busy lately, meeting with his military and security forces, visiting Surovikin in one of the recently annexed oblasts, meeting with Lukashenko to further tie the militaries together, and he has an upcoming meeting with Xi, and one with Erdogan and Assad. (I know there's more in there, I'm just not remembering them all.) It seems to me that he's planning something big. I don't know what, but I think he wants to wrap up Ukraine in 2023.

By all acounts, he's also planning on his succession, and it looks like the front runner is Medvedev, who was just selected as the deputy head of the military production committee (a permanent post, not ending with Ukraine) and who was also sent on a protocol-breaking direct meeting with Xi (head of state, who only meets with other heads of state.) And Medvedev is apparently more hawkish than Putin.

Putin's Presidency IS coming to an end. Some day, so will Putin. As will we all. But the west shouldn't be breathing a sigh of relief bc Russia's policy towards the west will probably change, but for the worse.

Anyway, thanks - in a sideways fashion- for bringing up yet another topic that you know nothing about.

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Clearly, Russia is not doing much right when countries with smaller populations are doing as well as Russia, looking only at GDP. Would Russia consider doing differently? Such as not constructing so much of its self-worth on its stockpile of nukes? Or on the size of its Army? Or its victories against weak countries such as Ukraine?

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Don't you get tired of changing topics/ moving goalposts/ dragging red herrings across every thread SECOND?

First of all, altho some might thinks it's clever saying "next year" and "2023", making it sound so far-off, guess what? THAT'S TOMORROW!


Secondly, what are you implying? That Putin is scared of the public? That Putin is sick?

Hate to tell you, but Putin has been extremely busy lately, meeting with his military and security forces, visiting Surovikin in one of the recently annexed oblasts, meeting with Lukashenko to further tie the militaries together, and he has an upcoming meeting with Xi, and one with Erdogan and Assad. (I know there's more in there, I'm just not remembering them all.) It seems to me that he's planning something big. I don't know what, but I think he wants to wrap up Ukraine in 2023.

By all acounts, he's also planning on his succession, and it looks like the front runner is Medvedev, who was just selected as the deputy head of the military production committee (a permanent post, not ending with Ukraine) and who was also sent on a protocol-breaking direct meeting with Xi (head of state, who only meets with other heads of state.) And Medvedev is apparently more hawkish than Putin.

Putin's Presidency IS coming to an end. Some day, so will Putin. As will we all. But the west shouldn't be breathing a sigh of relief bc Russia's policy towards the west will probably change, but for the worse.

Anyway, thanks - in a sideways fashion- for bringing up yet another topic that you know nothing about.

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Living standards in Russia have gone up dramatically since 2000, which is why Putin is so popular. But riddle me this, Batman: If the USA is so doing so well, why have living standards of the typical American done nothing but fall for 30 years? Why has our industrial output fallen? What is this GDP you speak of, and who is it going to?

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Putin’s former top space engineer dies after facing corruption charges

Vladimir Putin’s former chief space engineer — and an accused embezzler — has died at age 74, the fourth person in the Russian president’s orbit to pass away within a week. Nesterov’s cause and manner of death have not been disclosed

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-former-top-space-engineer
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Why don't you just compare every country to Antarctica because that makes just about as much sense.

Meanwhile, with the printing press of the world at our disposal, the only Top 10 Lists that America is going to show up on is Obesity, Lack of Education and Homelessness.

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Oh yeah? When's the last time you've been to Russia?

Do you even have a passport. Pics or it doesn't exist. It's cool man. I already know your name.

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Oh yeah? When's the last time you've been to Russia?

Do you even have a passport. Pics or it doesn't exist. It's cool man. I already know your name.

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You remind me that the USA is at least two different countries. The parts of Texas controlled by Republicans have poorly functioning economies (same as Russia) based on forestry and oil/gas drilling and military bases and building H-bombs (Pantex, in the Texas Panhandle, builds H-bombs). Those parts have been left far behind, in wealth, by the parts controlled by Democrats.

https://pantex.energy.gov/about

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Says the Russia troll.

And as far as all the people you claim to know in the many, many different situations that fit into the topics posted, most recently, the immigrants who happen to fill every demographic who like Trump, and they just happen to work with you, BULLSHIT.

This too is a recurring theme with you. It always starts out, I just happen to know. Yeah right....

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He was shuttled from hospital to hospital in Moscow for two days as doctors frantically tried to figure out what was wrong with him.

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Vladimir Kara-Murza: I was at one point connected, I think to eight different artificial life support machines and doctors told my wife that there’s only gonna be about a five percent chance that I’ll survive.

But he beat the odds. When we spoke with him last year, he’d been recovering for a year, but he was still walking with a limp from nerve damage.

Lesley Stahl: So what happened?

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Yes, what happened?

Here's a funny thing: I've known know two people PERSONALLY who died of organ failure after a sudden brief illness. One person, who worked for me, had just taken his son to Disneyland on Friday and was dead by Monday. Another person, my husband's surgeon, had attended a medical conference in Florida and by the time his flight landed in LAX he had collapsed and by the next day he was dead.

Coincidence? I think not! Clearly, someone is out to get me.

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Vladimir Kara-Murza: Well, it was some kind of a very strong toxin.

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Although I don't have any proof, that's what I'm going with. Forget "septic shock"!

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We don’t know what it was because, you know, with these things, as people who know more about this than I do explained to me, you basically have to know exactly what you’re testing for in order to find it.

Lesley Stahl: So they never found the exact compound?

Vladimir Kara-Murza: They never did.

It wasn’t until the fourth day, and after he had been on a dialysis machine, that blood was drawn and sent to a toxicology lab in France. It found heavy metals in his blood

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If I were to test YOUR blood, I'd find heavy metals in it. Everyone has some. The question is: how much? You don't "clear" heavy metals quickly, and if anyone had given this man a near-fatal dose, it would have been in his blood weeks later. The whole "heavy metals" mention is just stupid scare-mongering.

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but no specific toxin. Still Kara-Murza maintains that he was poisoned.

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The article goes on to say that Kara-Murza fell ill again with the same symptoms as before. This time samples of his hair, blood and fingernails were sent to a lab in Israel for analysis for toxins. It's only been a month, it will surely take longer to get results. I'll be interested to see what they have to say.

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