Waning Greatness by THGRRI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
There will be some here, trolls, who will say this is what they have been saying. That this is the sentiment they have been trying to communicate onto our FireFly real world threads. As always, they will be lying. These will be the same trolls who knowingly post lies and distorted truths here. All the while, taking up arms against anyone who dare post a truth.

What the video reveals to us is a truth about ourselves that these trolls and others like them work to exploit.

You must mean 'G'.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Friday, April 7, 2017 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
There will be some here, trolls, who will say this is what they have been saying. That this is the sentiment they have been trying to communicate onto our FireFly real world threads. As always, they will be lying. These will be the same trolls who knowingly post lies and distorted truths here. All the while, taking up arms against anyone who dare post a truth.

What the video reveals to us is a truth about ourselves that these trolls and others like them work to exploit.
You must mean 'G'.

No 1kiki, I mean you for one. But you know that. G is one of the ones who dare post the truth. And the way you attack him in your signature, proves my ascertain about trolls ( you ) in my post to be correct.

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Friday, April 7, 2017 10:55 PM

lol to your bullshit...

But the video is great. At least we agree on something.

I already posted that here a long time ago.

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Friday, April 7, 2017 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
lol to your bullshit...

But the video is great. At least we agree on something.

I already posted that here a long time ago.

And yet you still missed where he was speaking to you. You asked recently about college. Was it worth it? He explained how being knowledgeable and informed used to be revered, not criticized and argued against. He implied we were great because we embraced being researched and informed. And, because we listened to those who were. We followed those who were. Not those who were not.

Yet you missed his point entirely. All you could focus on was my post introducing the video. And how some here were the problem as he indicated in his lesson. You watched the video again and learned nothing, again.

It's something I have claimed about you from the first. You are lazy and therefore ill-informed. You post based upon anecdotal evidence and opinion. Not any researched material.

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Friday, April 7, 2017 11:22 PM

I don't need four years of Liberal Indoctrination, thanks. :)

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Friday, April 7, 2017 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I don't need four years of Liberal Indoctrination, thanks. :)

You sure need something.

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Friday, April 7, 2017 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
You sure need something.

I got everything I need. How's that wage slavery and crippling debt treating you?

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Friday, April 7, 2017 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Good video.

I thought so. Hey, wasn't it nice to learn Canadians are free?

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 12:38 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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G is one of the ones who dare post the truth.

You mean that the US isn't the greatest country on the planet? Well, then, kumbaya. You and I, 'G' and Trump, agree.

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61482&mid=1
026461#1026461
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 4:16 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

YES!

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Good video.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:35 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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There will be some here, trolls, who will say this is what they have been saying. That this is the sentiment they have been trying to communicate onto our FireFly real world threads. As always, they will be lying. These will be the same trolls who knowingly post lies and distorted truths here. All the while, taking up arms against anyone who dare post a truth. Their hypocrisy is revealed as though in a continuous loop, as we witness them over and over again, shield those who would target innocents for destruction.

THUGR:

Did you notice that NOT ONCE did the video mention RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! as "the" problem, or even "a" problem? It DID mention our massive defense spending as a bloodsucking choice, our immoral wars, how easily we scare today, and our rabid partisanship

Hmmm... who behaves like that?

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You asked recently about college. Was it worth it? He explained how being knowledgeable and informed used to be revered, not criticized and argued against. He implied we were great because we embraced being researched and informed. And, because we listened to those who were. We followed those who were. Not those who were not.

Having a college degree and respecting knowledge are two different things. There is a difference between learning and being taught. LEARNING is what you do ... being taught is when an authority tells you what THEY think, and you accept it. Learning can lead to NEW thoughts. Being taught means accepting the wisdom of those in authority. You can BE TAUGHT the Bible. You LEARN by asking new questions and seeking new information.

College usually involves BEING TAUGHT. Getting a degree is almost a necessity towards getting a better job ... or any job. But it doesn't mean that you're capable of learning, it just means that you're capable of being taught.

You can BE TAUGHT in college but hopefully you will LEARN for the rest of your life.

CONGRATS on posting a video (again) that we can almost all agree on.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:36 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Canadians are free

Great! I want one!

Maybe a redhead.

6, All the information in college is now available on wikipedia. The social allies are on the web for any topic. It's true it's not worth the money, except for the free wheeling community of young people who don't have to work.

Nick is a smart person. Actually, he is. When he's not talking about politics or trying to spell. But if he weren't being cocky he would tell you where to find the people and communities online for any topic. But he would have to silence his inner troll first.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
YES!
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Good video.

I agree. I've long thought Trump based his campaign on that video. It's probably why he won.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:51 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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But he would have to silence his inner troll first.

But if you have to silence your inner troll, it's no longer an "inner" troll but an "outer" one ... yanno, the characteristic that people see most. I would be happy if THUGR just made his "outer" troll an "inner" one and kept it to himself

And I hope to god there are no red-headed Canadians on the board!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:53 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Nick is a smart person. Actually, he is. When he's not talking about politics or trying to spell.

Well that's all I've ever seen him try to do, and so far I haven't seen any signs of intelligent life.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

The problem many have with Trump is in his lack of character. Drastic times called for drastic measures, but to many who voted in this last election showed themselves to be short of character as well. In the video, Jeff Daniels character, who is what I call the keeper of the gate, or the sensible middle, through frustration, reveals himself. He speaks as the sensible middle, while chastising others for being anything but. We the sensible middle, must not let the fringes destroy the very institutions needed to right a wanng greatness.

youtube vid

Well said, T. Great video too. Should have been the first half of Trump's inauguration speech. The second half being what he was going to do about the first half (where, sadly, he'd still have the chance to fall flat on his face).
The meaning is lost on some people here of course. I think they just cherry pick the few lines that support their bias and ignore the rest.

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The Truth about Russian Trolls: http://bit.ly/2nwoDoz

The funniest part is that they missed more than what Daniels character was about. That's right, character. Only our three trolls and one moron, would see a movie clip and think it is more than the sum of it's writers intent.

Daniels character reveled he had had enough. Enough of the bullshit spewed by far from center ideologues. The trolls who post daily are already in this thread, and they reveal themselves with every post.

Of course we are the greatest country in the world.

Stupid is as stupid does gals.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 12:01 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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That's your first reaction?!? Jesus, give it a rest. - GSTRING

No, that wasn't my "first reaction", dingbat.

First of all, because this is not the first time that I saw it, my FIRST reaction happened about six months ago - as I already mentioned.

Secondly, that is my comment TO THUGR about it, which is RELEVANT TO HIM. Not my overall comment on the video.

Jeez, you're so anxious to insult me, you just HAVE to put words in my mouth to do it, dontcha?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 12:07 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Daniels character reveled he had had enough. Enough of the bullshit spewed by far from center ideologues. The trolls who post daily are already in this thread, and they reveal themselves with every post. - THUGR

Daniels' character got fed up with stupid people reflexively thinking that "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST".

Daniels' character rants a long list of complaints and criticisms about the USA.

Well. Now that you've realized that America has problems and are willing to acknowledge their existence ... which ones do we agree on, and how best to solve them?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 1:09 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Did you notice that NOT ONCE did the video mention RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! as "the" problem, or even "a" problem?

That's your first reaction?!? Jesus, give it a rest.

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The Truth about Russian Trolls: http://bit.ly/2nwoDoz

Okay, maybe you have a point, G, but then there's your sig, and then there's hers. Nah, you both have to move on.

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Nick is a smart person. Actually, he is. When he's not talking about politics or trying to spell.

Well that's all I've ever seen him try to do, and so far I haven't seen any signs of intelligent life.

He's like smart. He used to post on other topics, they he decided to hide his face and troll. it's REWD what did it.

T, Newsroom is a TV show, not a movie.

6, Okay, maybe not a genius, but he knows stuff. He can hold a discussion on a wide variety of topics. He just, now, chooses not to. We're in some strange corner of the internet, like the world's troll country. The russian is smart too, they made a special ward just for her, cleared out an entire floor so she could experiment on the other patients.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 2:08 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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The russian is smart too, they made a special ward just for her

You kinda went off the rails, careened down the hill, destroyed a barn, and came to rest in a deeply muddy field, on this one. There are no Russians here, unless they're KPO, 'G', and THUGGER (given they're so hyper-focused on Russia and Putin).

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 2:52 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ...

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Canadians are free

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

Great! I want one!

Maybe a redhead.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 3:30 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Will

Fine. (to the liberal panelist) Sharon, the NEA is a loser. Yeah, it accounts for a penny out of our paychecks, but he [gesturing to the conservative panelist] gets to hit you with it anytime he wants. It doesn't cost money, it costs votes. It costs airtime and column inches. You know why people don't like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so fuckin' smart, how come they lose so GODDAM ALWAYS!

He fails to mention blacks, Hispanics, lgbts, Native Americans, Asians, discrimination and also the pandering to victim-hood, the environment, medical care, the income gap, and other liberal favorites.

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And (to the conservative panelist) with a straight face, you're going to tell students that America's so starspangled awesome that we're the only ones in the world who have freedom? Canada has freedom, Japan has freedom, the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia, Belgium has freedom. Two hundred seven sovereign states in the world, like 180 of them have freedom.

He also fails to mention taxes, guns, right-to-life, keeping Christ in x-mas, reducing the federal government and boosting states rights, illegal immigrants, the lack of good-paying jobs, and other conservative favorites.

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And you—sorority girl—yeah—just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day, there are some things you should know, and one of them is that there is absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world. We're seventh in literacy, twenty-seventh in math, twenty-second in science, forty-ninth in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, third in median household income, number four in labor force, and number four in exports. We lead the world in only three categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending, where we spend more than the next twenty-six countries combined, twenty-five of whom are allies.

All true. So why do so many believe in American 'exceptionalism'? And why is it such a popular theme with politicians? Could it be Americans are so gullible they'll slobber over anything that has American 'exceptionalism' basted on it?

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None of this is the fault of a 20-year-old college student, but you, nonetheless, are without a doubt, a member of the WORST-period-GENERATION-period-EVER-period, so when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about?! Yosemite?!!!

We sure used to be. We stood up for what was right! We fought for moral reasons,

The US entered WWI because the Germans blockaded Britain and that hampered trade. Also, Germany tried to ally with Mexico. Then there was the Lusitania. We entered WWII because of Pearl Harbor. I'm not seeing the 'moral' reasons here.

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we passed and struck down laws for moral reasons.

anti-miscegenation? poll-taxes? segregation laws?

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We waged wars on poverty, not poor people.

Briefly.

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We sacrificed, we cared about our neighbors, we put our money where our mouths were, and we never beat our chest. We built great big things, made ungodly technological advances, explored the universe, cured diseases, and cultivated the world's greatest artists and the world's greatest economy. We reached for the stars, and we acted like men. We aspired to intelligence; we didn't belittle it; it didn't make us feel inferior.

The US has always had an anti-intelligence bias. It's politically expedient to find ways to pander to 'the common man'.

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We didn't identify ourselves by who we voted for in the last election, and we didn't scare so easy.

But now we can't stop talking about Russia and Putin.

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And we were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed. By great men, men who were revered.

Up until info-tainment, when the news division stopped being a public trust and was supposed to be a profit center.

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The first step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one—America is not the greatest country in the world anymore.

Will
[to moderator] Enough?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:37 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Okay, maybe you have a point, G, but then there's your sig...

Signature changed - just for you DT!

Obviously, I'm convinced Trump is a lying sos (how could anyone not be) so I will continue to post about relevant Trump/Russia news.

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Hey, we're getting somewhere. I don't have a negative opinion of the president, or a positive one. I won't make up my mind for a while.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:52 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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You insult me in every response, so do the math, hon.

You started it, sweetie.

First, by assuming that my first sentence TO THUGR was my first overall response. Especially when I had seen it already, and thought of posting it. During the campaign. Before RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!

Second, within the space of just a few minutes of this post, you lied about me in another one.

Let's see if you can go one day without insulting me, or anyone. Or lying. I'll do it with you. When do you want to start the clock?

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There will be some here, trolls, who will say this is what they have been saying. That this is the sentiment they have been trying to communicate onto our FireFly real world threads.=THUGR

Even THUGR understands that this is what we've been trying to say. That's why he tries to deny it.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 8:13 PM

What is this, kindergarten?
Do we want to take this over to 4chan?

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Current posts in 4chan politics:

How on earth are we supposed to get any delicious mexican food if Trump builds his stupid wall?

Anonymous (ID: ZZF6cNqf) 04/08/17(Sat)20:08:27 No.120205660?

>Delicious
>Mexican food

Pick one.

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Anonymous (ID: r9Y4kJ/O) 04/08/17(Sat)20:08:40 No.120205679?

>>120205162 (OP)
Kill yourself you fucking leaf fag

saged

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Anonymous (ID: OqGIZFHA) 04/08/17(Sat)20:08:58 No.120205729?

>>120205162 (OP)
breh, we have the recipes already in the US

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Anonymous (ID: 8zZZrCIM) 04/08/17(Sat)20:09:58 No.120205837?

>>120205162 (OP)
>how can I get mexican food that I definitely need if I can't sell out my nations future for my grandchildren?

So, there's still a little space below us, but not much.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 8:51 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

GSTRING pretends that he doesn't insult people. I've done this with him before: We agree to be decent posters, but then he'll get his licks in. And pretend it never happened.

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The russian is smart too, they made a special ward just for her

Is this directed at me? If so, you've just given up any claim to being at all fair, or even polite.

Yanno DT, I have personally tried to stay ON TOPIC. Posted many items of general and specific interest, and kept trying to redirect various threads away from personal attacks back to THE TOPIC. And what have I gotten for my pains?

Constantly being called a "russian troll" over and over - which, for the record, I am not. Ganged up on. Attacked relentlessly by many people. Not a single "liberal" who supposedly values "politeness" and "reasoned discussion" or "niceness" EVER came to my aid - not SECOND, not MAL4, not MAGONS, not JO, not GSTRING, and certainly not you.

I don't snark unless I've been snarked at, but don't expect me to put myself up on a cross while others shoot arrows at me just because YOU want to control how the board runs.

I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO STOP SNARKING AT PEOPLE AS LONG AS I'M NOT BEING ATTACKED.

So, when do we collectively start the clock to say... "bygones be bygones"? When do we break the cycle? I'm waiting to hear when that starts because so far, I'm not seeing it. Certainly not from you.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:26 PM

RIVERLOVE

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Constantly being called a "russian troll" over and over
Ganged up on.
Attacked relentlessly by many people.
Not a single "liberal" who supposedly values "politeness" and "reasoned discussion" or "niceness" EVER came to my aid
I don't snark unless I've been snarked at

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 12:29 AM

Sig, it's not the topic, it's the negativity. Pizmo sometimes loses track and falls into partisan mode, but you and 1kiki tag teaming him doesn't help.

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
What is this, kindergarten?
Do we want to take this over to 4chan?
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Current posts in 4chan politics:

How on earth are we supposed to get any delicious mexican food if Trump builds his stupid wall?

Anonymous (ID: ZZF6cNqf) 04/08/17(Sat)20:08:27 No.120205660?

>Delicious
>Mexican food

Pick one.

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Anonymous (ID: r9Y4kJ/O) 04/08/17(Sat)20:08:40 No.120205679?

>>120205162 (OP)
Kill yourself you fucking leaf fag

saged

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Anonymous (ID: OqGIZFHA) 04/08/17(Sat)20:08:58 No.120205729?

>>120205162 (OP)
breh, we have the recipes already in the US

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Anonymous (ID: 8zZZrCIM) 04/08/17(Sat)20:09:58 No.120205837?

>>120205162 (OP)
>how can I get mexican food that I definitely need if I can't sell out my nations future for my grandchildren?

So, there's still a little space below us, but not much.

LOL

I'm the dude who said "breh, we have the recipes already in the US"

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 12:54 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Sig, it's not the topic, it's the negativity. Pizmo sometimes loses track and falls into partisan mode, but you and 1kiki tag teaming him doesn't help.

uh huh

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The russian is smart too, they made a special ward just for her, cleared out an entire floor so she could experiment on the other patients.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 3:14 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Signy has tried to bring reasonable discussion to the board with research, facts, and reason.

Apparently people here don't value that. Or even simple politeness.

I've been trying to figure out what this most resembles.

On the TOPICAL part of it, it looks like 'liberals' are just a different flavor of 'conservative', 'global warming denier', or 'creationist'. When the FACTS create cognitive dissonance with 'liberal' beliefs, 'liberals' get rid of the dissonance by dismissing the facts. And that's easy enough to document that that happens - there's too much research on the topic to not be stumbling over it on the most casual search.

But the social aspect puzzles me.

Signy is not a troll, Russian or otherwise. The real trolls are the ones who constantly, relentlessly, personally attack Signy and me, and who cooperate to gang up on us as the designated victims. It's obvious who the actual trolls are. One is a professional troll, the other is just a sadist. Why it isn't blindingly obvious to everyone is beyond me. What kind of delusion are the posters here operating under?

I've been wondering what psychology experiment mimics this dynamic.

It could be like the Stanford Prison experiment. Everyone knew going in that it was just pretend. Any authority granted to some over others was entirely specious. But that didn't stop the dynamic from happening. 'Guards' became abusive while 'prisoners' were truly victimized. Another example is Jane Elliott's Blue Eyes/Brown Eyes exercise. Completely arbitrary designations of children as superior or inferior created real bullies and victims.

Maybe Americans really are that easily propagandized.

Back when, a mere 7 days after Sept 11, 2001, GWB said bin Laden was wanted, dead or alive. The country was mobilized. Three weeks after that the the US attacked Afghanistan. But a mere 6 months after Sept 11, 2001, GWB said he wasn't 'that concerned' about bin Laden. By then, anti-Hussein leaks, stories, and speeches were being rolled out. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline

At the time I remember thinking - surely after having been whipped into a feeding frenzy over bin Laden, then being told a mere 5 months later to forget him and focus on Hussein instead - surely the public could see that they were being stampeded.

Apparently I keep underestimating American gullibility. http://www.gallup.com/poll/8038/seventytwo-percent-americans-support-w
ar-against-iraq.aspx

So, I conclude, again, that propaganda works, no matter how flimsy.

And propagandist techniques, like those practiced by our trolls, also work well. I've come to believe that the many posters here, who might like to pretend to themselves they're decent people, would have been very comfortable Germans as Jews were being rounded up and killed by the millions. It looks like all it takes is a set of beliefs that leads to a dismissal of facts. And having a very small minority of people who represent the official POV claim over and over - and contrary to all evidence right in front of them - that Signy and I are trolls. Or that Jews are contamination. And presto change-o. The sadists and their victims.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 4:39 AM

They keep telling me that I'm a drunk idiot and I didn't see what you two were doing to them, so I've largely stayed out of it.

I've been sober for more than 3 months now though and I see that G puts personal insults in about 1/3rd of his posts to people he doesn't agree with and T puts them in about 3/4ths of his posts. They seem especially viscous when it comes to you and Signy, although I'm getting a little bored of them calling me stupid or a drunk.

I've seen a side of Signy that I never saw years ago when we were both posting against GWB, but one can hardly blame her when she's being ganged up on and attacked every single day in here.

Today I was called a liar, and it could be inferred from the post that this is something I regularly do. I think everyone here knows more about my personal life than they do anybody else on this board. I'm at a constant disadvantage in any conversation because when somebody disagrees with me they can just call me a drunk and feel that they won the argument. I have no reason to lie here. What would be the point of that?

You and I 1kiki don't see eye to eye on quite a bit, but it's become pretty obvious to me over the course of the last 3 months who is getting bullied around here. I think it's funny that somebody who regularly calls you and Signey Russian Trolls are going to accuse me of lying.

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:00 AM

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The Birther thing was

Blatant pandering. Some people believe that nonsense and he wanted their votes. Worth remembering that the HRC camp started that nonsense in 2008 to defeat John McCain, and then underhandedly fed it against Obama when it became clear she might not win the primary. Orly Taitz. Moldovan nutter who worked for Clinton.

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But even if you just went from Trump's early years

Acted in his favor, it made him a known quantity.

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no shock when you saw who he beat.

Rubio has more charisma than Trump, but the two latinos were splitting the vote. Same thing with Martin O'Malley and Sanders at the beginning.

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And he obviously caught a tiger by the tail with his "tv charisma."

He caught a lot of tail

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Climate change? You don't have to believe it

I don't, but there wasn't a lot of competition. The Environment is my major voting point. Trump is pretty bad. Obama was the worst ever. He said the right things and then did the wrong things. I'm convinced he set up the BP oil spill, fracking was his baby, the disaster in Alberta was not his fault, but he was unable to curb it. Ironically I think Trumps arctic deal might take some of the pressure off those others by lowering the price of oil, putting the earth rapers at below recovery cost. Again, Hillary was terrible on this, worse than Obama, she liked Fracking and the Athabasca disaster and wanted to ban drilling bans.

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Personal privacy,

Sure, show me a good politician on this issue. Rand Paul I guess.

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Health Care,

I actually like Trumpcare. I hate Obamacare.

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the constant lying,

There is that, but what choice was there, I mean for all those voters who feel they have to pick the either or. I figure you voted for HRC, but I also figure that no way are you going to say she was honest.

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Maybe Jared and Ivanka whispering in his ear will make

The deep state panic. Because they are. They hate that. Ivanka and Jared are barely republicans. That said, they are republicans. Bannon and Jared. Lol.

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:06 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Apparently people here don't value that. Or even simple politeness. - KIKI

Top tip dearie: You'll find it impossible for people to believe you when you lie in every post.- GSTRING

Here's the thing: You and the rest of your ilk really think your shit don't stink. That you have no reason to apologize to anyone, or to feel ashamed. But it IS obvious who the bullies are, and you're one of them. You LIKE bullying people. Somehow, you and THUGR and the other willing participants excuse your own bad behavior on the assumption of your vast righteousness.

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Believe me, I'd rather spend our time on this board discussing as intelligently as possible, with as many POVs as possible, just what the heck is going on, but some people would rather push their agenda as opposed to facts.

Oh, baloney. You are the LEAST fact-based person on this board aside from THUGR. The two of you make a prefect pair. It's as if you were lovers or something.

But it just occurred to me: WHAT SHOULD I EXPECT FROM PEOPLE WHO ADVOCATE BOMBING OTHERS TO IMPOSE THEIR OPINION? This board is just a pale, faded reflection of your "assholeness" towards the rest of the world. You CLAIM that you're all about "reason" and "fairness" and even "politeness" and "tolerance" but when someone disagrees with your opinion: OMFG! Watch out! You will sink as low as any fascist to get your way!

GSTRING .... If you think that you're merely "defending yourself" ... as I do ... then let's put down our weapons and call truce. Maybe you look at your posts and think ... "Yanno, that was uncalled-for". Maybe there are a few posts that your think don't reflect your fine character, and you feel that regret and possibly even an apology are in order. Great. Time to re-set the clock ... which you have not yet done.

But if you STILL think that "being right" gives you the "right" to be a complete asshole ... well, then. What does that make you?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, April 10, 2017 11:50 AM

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It's like you keep talking to yourself - crazy.

Nah - we tried that twice and you failed twice. Lesson learned: No deals with lying trolls like you.

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Yep, and it only seems to get worse. They cut and paste books here, none of which is read. Why, because of who they source. And, because you can't trust they haven't manipulated what they have quoted. They have been caught changing words, and even inserting paragraphs they have written themselves into the quoted text. Then they challenge you to have an honest discussion. Why do you refuse to have an honest discussion they say, funny. Many times they have made claims and provided links that we have followed. Only to find the reported text says nothing of the kind.

The reward in challenging them, is that over the years we see them exposed for what they are. They would think I am going to say Russian Trolls and liars at this point. They've heard me charge them of that many, many times over the years. While that is true, it is not the main thing that has been exposed about them. No, the main truth realized about them, is that together, they display a collective intelligence equal to that of a box of rocks.

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Monday, April 10, 2017 2:12 PM

lol

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Monday, April 10, 2017 3:13 PM

lol

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Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:09 PM

Trump is enacting centrist policies. Go figure.....

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

The problem many have with Trump is in his lack of character. Drastic times called for drastic measures, but to many who voted in this last election showed themselves to be short of character as well. In the video, Jeff Daniels character, who is what I call the keeper of the gate, or the sensible middle, through frustration, reveals himself. He speaks as the sensible middle, while chastising others for being anything but. We the sensible middle, must not let the fringes destroy the very institutions needed to right a wanng greatness.

youtube vid

Well said, T. Great video too. Should have been the first half of Trump's inauguration speech. The second half being what he was going to do about the first half (where, sadly, he'd still have the chance to fall flat on his face).
The meaning is lost on some people here of course. I think they just cherry pick the few lines that support their bias and ignore the rest.

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