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" The elections proved they really are the fringe ?"


Like Mal once said

" Go run your little world "

quit trying to run everyone elses

" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
" The elections proved they really are the fringe ?"


Like Mal once said

" Go run your little world "

quit trying to run everyone elses

" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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Hey Gino

How about you take your own advice.



Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
" The elections proved they really are the fringe ?"


Like Mal once said

" Go run your little world "

quit trying to run everyone elses

" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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Hey Gino

How about you take your own advice.



Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Hey, after you


Until then... do I have to start shooting Americans to make the point clear ?

GO HOME, STAY HOME

" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
" The elections proved they really are the fringe ?"


Like Mal once said

" Go run your little world "

quit trying to run everyone elses

" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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Hey Gino

How about you take your own advice.



Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Hey, after you

After you quit backing every dictator willing to do what ever the hell you want

After you quit signing trade deals and then reneging on anything that doesn't suit you

After you stop trying to force every other country in the world to do things your way

Until then... do I have to start shooting Americans to make the point clear ?

GO HOME, STAY HOME

" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Until then... do I have to start shooting Americans to make the point clear ?

GO HOME, STAY HOME

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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
lol!

Yet here they are with a marathon troll fest to get ride of me, SigyM, Gino, and the rest because they don't like our posts. And hey, threatening violence too.

Sorta like the brownshirts.

Bullies who go around goose stepping on opinions they don't like will get thiers when the time comes.

people.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

" hmmmm... no, I was talking exactly and only about Japan. The same circumstances are not going on with this current set of events. "

Hold on here, either it was a legitimate act of warfare, or it was not. Or are you saying that it was okay because you did it to them and you get to make the rules ? The line between modern warfare and mass murder is a thin one, but in the end it is either yes or no

" so, by extension of your logic and argument. You are saying that the actions and atrocities of and committed by the Nazis were quite and well justified and that they should have ballads and awards instead of being tried for their crimes? "

No, actually I am saying that many war crimes were committed by the allied powers as well, these were never punished, or accounted for. Justice is equal, or it is not justice at all.

" Look now, I think it was your argument that we should view the "enemy" all as an aggregate as the "evil dirty bastards that they are" without regarding individual views; and that even realizing this that we should disregard the "reasoning" for these prejudices completely and continue on being blinded by it. "

A soldier, particularly one fighting an enemy with your resources cannot take the time to try to only damage those who hold an opposing viewpoint. How many of the Iraqi civilians killed by your use of airpower may have been Baathists, or rebels... and how many not... they are dead and its doesn't really matter anymore does it ?

" So where do we go from there? "

A fair question, If I had that answer I'd gladly give it. Perhaps taking a real long look at the effects of your foreign policy the past forty years might help you see where you went wrong


" Looking for a place to happen, making stops along the way "

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Hey, don't get me wrong...

Just get your leaders to quit telling everyone else what to do, they are YOUR leaders, you voted them in to run YOUR country. If they stop trying to run everyone elses, things may start to be okay again.

" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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Originally posted by Hardware:
Just wanted to chime in here and be rational for a refreshing change.

Barnstormer, Hero and Jasonzzz don't represent the view of most Americans. In fact the barf they are spouting as opinions is just downright embarrassing to this American.

Hey, remember that show we all used to watch and enjoy? Weren't a couple of the actors Canadians?

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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Dear Hardware:

Who gives a rat's ass what you are embarassed about. You mama (nor dada) ain't here to cuddle you. Bring an issue and a stance and less discuss it. The support groups are out there. This here is where you bring it and talk it.

Stop trolling and bring some.

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Dear Hardware:

Who gives a rat's ass what you are embarassed about. You mama (nor dada) ain't here to cuddle you. Bring an issue and a stance and less discuss it. The support groups are out there. This here is where you bring it and talk it.

Stop trolling and bring some.

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And here is the opinion of the folks in the flyover states and Texass who voted Bush back in. Interesting the way he throws the troll label around. I think there are 3 trolls in this thread, but I'm not one of them.

Anyhow, you and your two boyfriends are too busy shouting down everyone else.


The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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I should explain better. When I say bring some. The some are issues and topics for discussion.

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I should explain better. When I say bring some. The some are issues and topics for discussion.

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Dear Loser,
This thread is about Canadians wondering if their country is safe given the increasing fascist bent of the US government.

When the issue of how political dissenters are seeking asylum and how others are considering securing their children from a possible draft for an unpopular war was raised Hero jumped in obfuscating the truth about why a draft law was proposed and then proclaiming Ohio could take Canada, but it wouldn't be worth the effort.

Xion47 jumped in and pointed out how free enterprise medicine Americans are going to evil socialized medicine Canada to secure influenza shots not available in the US and posted a handy link on how to cut through red tape for Americans looking to stay in Canada.

Connorflynn had to jump in and laugh at the Canadian military and Sigmanuki took issue with that pointing out the fallacy of a US invasion of Canada. Hero goosestepped in and suggested taking away socialized health care to suppress rebellion in the newly conquered Canadian provinces. Then there was a pissing contest between Connorflynn and Ginobiffaroni with you chiming in and discussing root causes of conflict, blame and reward/punishment.

Ginobiffaroni invited all Americans to stop dicking around with other countries and mind our own business and Barnstormer took offense and began putting on display behavior to impress lord knows who.

Then when Ghoulman drew the inevitable line of comparison between the written words and threats of the American members of this thread to the Nazi brownshirts Barnstormer tried to turn it around and point it at the Canadians.

At which time, thoroughly sick of it all, I said you three did not reflect the opinion of every American. Was this wrong? No. As a matter of fact since you three seem to be representing the flyover states of the inbred, misogynizing heartland I think you have validated the question asked in the beginning of this thread.

How safe is Canada? Not very, if only judging by the knuckle-dragging, chest-thumping behavior of you neanderthals.

You've proven the point admirably. You have to shout down every dissenting opinion, no matter how well based or supportable. So, using you three as a model, given that the US is on the road to fascism and dissenters are leaving for other, freedom-loving countries, it logically follows that the US, in an attempt to quash the dissent, just as you have tried to quash dissent by posting, long, rambling exposition, will try to do the same. Since those dissenters are in other sovereign states it follows that the US will go get them. And when you three haven't been able to bury the conversation in your screeching you have resorted to threats. I am confident the US will act accordingly. An invasion seems inevitable.

Post here if you think Hero, Barnstormer and Jasonzzz have at any time admired Hitler or praised Nazi Germany's accomplishments.

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Dear Ass-es-Wip-es:

thanks for the Summary, I can read very well; but apparently you can not. Go back and read whereever you thought I started to turn the argument ugly.

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May be you wanna stop typing on that computer and using that internet.

How about stop using this website altogether?

It's all American stuff that you hate so much completely and indiscriminately.

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It never did. Where did you see me starting off a conversation about attacking Canada? I never did.

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...with you chiming in and discussing root causes of conflict, blame and reward/punishment.

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Go back and read it again. I have no stinkin' idea why you are using my name in your post. Stop trolling and provoking and go back to whatever thing you crawled from. Otherwise, don't interrupt the conversation unless if you are just going to join in rationally.

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Just wanted to chime in here and be rational for a refreshing change.

Barnstormer, Hero and Jasonzzz don't represent the view of most Americans. In fact the barf they are spouting as opinions is just downright embarrassing to this American.

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

Dear Hardware:

Who gives a rat's ass what you are embarassed about. You mama (nor dada) ain't here to cuddle you. Bring an issue and a stance and less discuss it. The support groups are out there. This here is where you bring it and talk it.

Stop trolling and bring some.

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In fact the barf they are spouting as opinions is just downright embarrassing to this American.

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Dear Ass-es-Wip-es:

thanks for the Summary, I can read very well; but apparently you can not. Go back and read whereever you thought I started to turn the argument ugly.

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It turned ugly right when you said;

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May be you wanna stop typing on that computer and using that internet.

How about stop using this website altogether?

It's all American stuff that you hate so much completely and indiscriminately.

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Your exact words. Now, I've brought it, you defend what you said. You're real good at opening your big fat mouth, now use it to refute what you've already said.

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It never did. Where did you see me starting off a conversation about attacking Canada? I never did.

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You see dear readers, Hitler called this "the big lie" demagogues love to use this. They take a confusing issue and misrepresent what someone else has said. Now, this doesn't work so well with written word, especially one that can be easily referrenced back to as a threaded debate like this.

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Go back and read it again. I have no stinkin' idea why you are using my name in your post. Stop trolling and provoking and go back to whatever thing you crawled from. Otherwise, don't interrupt the conversation unless if you are just going to join in rationally.

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Actually the comment I originally made was directed at the Canadians. I was merely pointing out that I did not share your opinions. My exact words were;

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Just wanted to chime in here and be rational for a refreshing change.

Barnstormer, Hero and Jasonzzz don't represent the view of most Americans. In fact the barf they are spouting as opinions is just downright embarrassing to this American.

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and you had to go ballistic and say;

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Dear Hardware:

Who gives a rat's ass what you are embarassed about. You mama (nor dada) ain't here to cuddle you. Bring an issue and a stance and less discuss it. The support groups are out there. This here is where you bring it and talk it.

Stop trolling and bring some.

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Now, I have tried to bring up how this your exact behavior is the seed from which real evil can grow. However, myopically you cannot see how your very intolerance of other people's opinions, let's call it freedom of speech, is the first stepping stone down the path of dictatorship.

You don't want a debate, you want to slide insults in and silence any opinion that doesn't agree with your southern fried poison that is posing as a brain.

Here's a link you should find interesting.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=3&u=/nm
/20041105/od_nm/canada_usa_dc



This machine kills fascists. You have been warned.

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You misread and misunderstood. That's ok, sometimes people do that. Next time, you can always double-check with me first. Now, There isn't anything else to talk about except for your apology. I'll accept it. Thanks, now let's get along in talking about real issues instead of continuing on with the misunderstanding.

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You misread and misunderstood. That's ok, sometimes people do that. Next time, you can always double-check with me first. Now, There isn't anything else to talk about except for your apology. I'll accept it. Thanks, now let's get along in talking about real issues instead of continuing on with the misunderstanding.

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You fired the first shot asshole. You don't want to respect an opposing opinion, but want to act the injured party, fine. (see my previous post about the "big lie") You owe me an apology, I owe you nothing.

This is turning into a game of "who can get the last word in". Too bad for Jasonzzz that I can browse and post at work. Getting paid to kill fascist ideas is the best job going!

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As a matter of fact since you three seem to be representing the flyover states of the inbred, misogynizing heartland I think you have validated the question asked in the beginning of this thread.

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How safe is Canada? Not very, if only judging by the knuckle-dragging, chest-thumping behavior of you neanderthals.

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Even see this movie ?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6302783968/104-2425388-4
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And if only we could draw support from all of our allies...

kick ass for sure

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" Why does he want to kill Americans??????
Oh yeah, because we just elected a republican president in a country he does'nt even belong to. "

Try reading the entire thread dipshit

We were discussing " How safe is Canada " from you looney American dipshits...

Ghoulman said something along the lines that we would all go along without a fight because we are nice Canadians

Well, we are not all nice Canadians. Many of us would fight instead of becoming part of your bullshit country.

I also said elect who you like, way I see it Kerry wasn't much better. Just keep it inside your borders... the majority of the planet wants that... maybe there should be a vote?

As for terrorism, what is that anyone against you ? Maybe you all need more time on the recieving end

" Looking for a place to happen, making stops along the way "

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Hey, who would have thought the US would attack Iraq back in the eightys

Remember the Reagan days when you were shovelling in the economic and military aid assisting them in their war of aggression against Iran ?

Back when your gov was trying to cover up that you were subsidizing the sale of helocopters equipped with spraying equipment, along with chemical weapons and support equipment even while ole Saddam was using them on disenting elements of his own population.

Hard to picture back then isn't it ?

" Canada's PM has come out and said recently that we are good friends "

What else is he going to say ? We simply do too much trade with you to say what is really on our minds anymore. I would say %90 of the people I know decided not to vote for the conservative party up here last election ONLY because they are a bunch of American asskissers.

Hell, there is an active political movement to expell your ambassador ( a real piece of work )

http://www.petitiononline.com/cb23124/petition.html

We are your number two supplier of oil, number one of natural gas, we supply 3/4 of the electricity used in the Northern States, we have other resources not the least being clean water which will become very important as you continue to pollute yours.

As a Canadian what I would like us as a country to do, rebuild our military ( but stay the hell out of Iraq, and pull out of Afganistan ) as well as stop acting as if the US was our only trade partner as get our goods into other markets, you will influence us a lot less if our economys weren't so co-dependant.

I would also push harder on our trade disputes, grain, softwood lumber, beef, steel, etc. I would have these resolved by the end of 2005, or I would simply pull out of NAFTA and make up the difference in tariffs on products you can't buy anywhere else.

If we cannot agree on missle defence

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20041104.wmiss1104/
BNStory/National/

perhaps we should scrap NORAD and look to our own programs

We are not really friends, but then I pose the question : can the US call any other country friend ? most of your coalition was bought to the cause, the exceptions being Australia and Britain... and it looks like Tony Blair may well lose the election next year over siding with Bush...

If the positions were reversed, would you feel differently ?

" Looking for a place to happen, making stops along the way "

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He was saying that Canada actually disbanded one of the meanest specialist groups on the planet after an issue arose in Mogadishu.

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http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html

A little dated but hey,

We even had a mini series not long ago with the American threat as a theme

http://www.cbc.ca/h2o/

Say you only want to be friends.....

Even if you mean it

Can your government really be trusted ?

Try not to laugh when you ask yourself this

" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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The U.S. was attacked, not by a nation state, but by terrorists. We then declared war on the terrorist and the nation states that actively support them. I would be very, very suprised (based upon your earlier posts concerning defending and fighting for your country) if you and your country would not have done the same if it was 3000 Canadians that died on Canadian soil using innocent civilans in jetliners as your weapon of choice.

BarnStormer

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Well Ghoulman,

I was asking Gino to comment.

But since you appeared how about answering my question also, not stating well worn arguments that we have heard time and time again from many perspectives with differing views.

I understand from previous posts you've made that you are an Irish national who has immigrated to Canada?

So....the question to you also is:

If the terrorists had murdered 3000 of your countrymen using airliners filled with innocent people as their weapon of choice,

What would you do????????

(take your pick of Canada, Ireland, or both)

By the way, this is a serious question, I'm really interested and curious to find out what your reaction would be. All kidding aside.

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Well.......
OK, I finally got the answers from both of you that I asked for. You both would fight if your country was attacked like the U.S. was.

But my own opinion is still the same concerning the extra garnish you placed in your answers.

Sorry guys, but I just don't agree with your view that America is the new "Evil Empire" (and I don't mean Microsoft ). But that is my opinion, which I have as much a right to as you have for your opinion.

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We may not see eye to eye, but we should give each other the benefit of the doubt and not just assume the other is Myopic. Don't you think so?

I'm gone for the weekend, everyone have a good one if you can, and I'll catch you on Monday.

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Sorry, I thought I was clear when I said

" Sure I would fight, have no illusion about that, but in that case I would compare myself to the German soldier of say late 1944. "

It would be the wrong side, and hopefully the losing side... but I would stand with my country none the less. But also I truely believe that in Canada we would never have been attacked for the reasons you were, we have had a history of bad governments... but not ones which are completely immoral.




Gino,

I'm a little disconcerted with your answer.

Not the fact that you and Ghoulman keep comparing the U.S. with "WW2 Facist Nazi Germany" which I think is just some deep seated need of yours to insult this country due to your apparent frustration with this nations policies.

What I'm more concerned and "Shocked" by is your statement that even if Canada turned into a Fascist Genocidal country like Nazi Germany, that you would still support it.

I would'nt. If that ever truly happened in this country (yes, I know you guys keep slapping that label on us, but I in no way agree with you), any other american would have a hard time beating me to the polls to vote for the presidents impeachment.

I have to say,I'm a bit disappointed







Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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The thing that gets Gino going is the
rhetoric in the USA, this Liberal vs. Conservative extreem view (only on CNN!) thing has run right over any reasonable point of view. It's a joy for the neofascists on American TV (Robert Novak on CNN for example) to arrogantly twist political discourse into an evangelical tent shout down. It makes me sick to watch them destroy any sign of reason just to fill a half hour of thier TV time with hollow jingoism

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[B]@BarnStormer:
You know what, you're right about one thing here. That is, that Bush and Hilter don't have everything in common. I mean, there is at least on HUGE difference... Hitler was successful to a large extent.

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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I have never stated anything of the kind. Please don't put words in my mouth. That's a very rude thing to do.

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The ONLY thing that Bush and Hitler have in common is that they were both born Human. A trait that is shared with all the people on this planet. Hitler however lost his humanity somewhere along that twisted path of his life.

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In addition, I find it morally repugnant that you or anyone else would find anything that Hitler and his ilk had done as "Succesfull"

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That one statement alone shows how lacking in Humanity you are!!!!!!!!!

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