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ev·i·dence
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noun: evidence
1.the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"

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I don't think anonymous gossip can be used to indicate whether anything at all is valid. I sure hope you don't either.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Post #1. Early connectionz

1986: Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin sat next to The Donald during a New York lunch. Trump sed “One thing led to another, and now I’m talking about building a large luxury hotel across the street from the Kremlin in partnership with the Soviet government.” He bragz about it in The Art uv the Deal. He went to Moscow to discuss the hotel project with the Soviet tourism agency.

Speculation: The young playboy Trump had sum fun wile he wuz there and therez a good chans he got snagged by the KGB Kompromat operation. Its possible he coud hav been on the hook sins then.

Possibly even earlier, Trump or hiz dad may hav had sum involvement with the Russian mobz that sprung up in New York in the 70z & 80z. Organized criminalz are alwayz attracted to construction for sum reazon. I suppoze its eazy to set up bribez with burokrats and offer 'protection' for construction sites and material shipments. Wether theze mobz were connected with the Soviet gummit or not iz debatable.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/23/nyregion/influx-of-russian-gangsters
-troubles-fbi-in-brooklyn.html?pagewanted=all

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Looks as though you struck a nerve JO753.

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Originally posted by JO753:
...Trump gets away with virtually anything, including treazon...

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Originally posted by JO753:
... but seriously, how many do you need befor you realize that TRUMP HAZ SUM CONNECTION TO RUSSIA?

My opinion iz that Putin and hiz team picked virtually everybody. If there iz anybody that Trump picked for himself, he had to get approval from Putin first.

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Originally posted by G:
Jesus, go fuck yourself. You spend 4 years throwing up on this board and NOW you - of all people - are going to say you're disappointed in Jo?!?!?!?! 'Cuz he didn't hold you hand softly enough?????? God damn unbelievable.

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Yep. Look who showz up. Muller shoud take note. - JO

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The problem J0, is when you take some legitimate concerns and blow them completely out of proportion and accuse Trump of treason and/or being a slave to Putin.

I expect that from Rachel Maddow. She's making 7 million dollars a year speaking to her echo chamber that was yelling "Fuck Trump", "Not my president" and "No way, KKK" from day one.

I expect more from you though.

It is possible to get your point across without peppering in obvious bias and unsubstantiated claims. When you do that, although you might get pats on the back by the echo chamber, you basically shut the conversation down when it comes to moderates or anybody on the other side. - SIX

Jesus, go fuck yourself. You spend 4 years throwing up on this board and NOW you - of all people - are going to say you're disappointed in Jo?!?!?!?! 'Cuz he didn't hold you hand softly enough?????? God damn unbelievable.- GSTRING

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Is this a subtle threat?

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It's about time we got that whole use of "traitor" and "treason" straight.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:I don't see what's so wrong about having "some connection to Russia", in and of itself.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, JO, I hope you realize that I'm just barely skimming your posts because they're 99.999% bullshit and speculation.

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Despite that fact that you, THUGR, and GSTRING go on and on ... and on and on ... about America, and being "for" America, and people who aren't "for" America, you collectively have never been able to figure out what being"for" America is. I PREDICT THAT YOU WILL NEVER ANSWER THIS QUESTION. But I hope you surprise me.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Assuming for just a moment that you three are not being paid by Putin, do you need to get kicked in the hed by a viziting dictator'z thugz outside the White House gates befor you wake up?

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Originally posted by G:
Jesus, go fuck yourself. You spend 4 years throwing up on this board and NOW you - of all people - are going to say you're disappointed in Jo?!?!?!?! 'Cuz he didn't hold you hand softly enough?????? God damn unbelievable.

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Originally posted by G:
You don't listen to her, remember? More Jackshit.

Awwwww, poor Jack - imagine how bored we were. You bring it up way more than anyone else. Stop thinking of yourself one time. In 4 years did we ever say, "if you don't have anything sober to say just go away?" You're such an ungrateful pos.

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You don't lie about sumthing if you werent aware uv it or that it wuz illegal. You dont fire peepl who are investigating you if you are innosent.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

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You don't lie about sumthing if you werent aware uv it or that it wuz illegal. You dont fire peepl who are investigating you if you are innosent.

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You do if you're a troll. I already stated my theory about why he did this in another thread.

If he's guilty, it will come out. Doing that certainly does make him look guilty and even I would be pissed off if there was no investigation now. That's why I don't believe he is guilty.

One of three things happens now.

1. Trump proves to us and the world that he has absolute control and is above any investigations. (Extremely unlikely, and I'd like to think that there would be a revolt by the people).

2. Trump is proven guilty. (Unlikely. I don't believe this move would have been made if he was guilty because even his supporters have to at least raise an eyebrow at this move).

3. Trump is going to embarrass Democrat and GOP politicians that have been calling for his head, and likely ruin the careers of quite a few MSM talking heads. (That's where my money would be if gambling were one of my vices).

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

3. Trump is going to embarrass Democrat and GOP politicians that have been calling for his head, and likely ruin the careers of quite a few MSM talking heads. (That's where my money would be if gambling were one of my vices).

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Originally posted by JO753:
I wanted to quote this hole thing, kuz you are going to want to edit or delete it later wen it bekumz undeniabl proof that you are an idiot (most likely) or being paid to post such nonsens.

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Yep. Look who showz up. Muller shoud take note.- JO
Is this a subtle threat? - SIGNY
No. Its about you acting like a paid social media operativ for Putin.- JO

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

. . . all I had been saying was.... this isn't going to work, we have to stop invading so many nations and making so many enemies; we need to be an awful lot smarter about our foreign policy and internal security.
. . . what did you think about our invasion of Afghanistan? Of Iraq? How did you feel about our destruction of Libya?

If at any point in our rampage through the Middle East, did you start out agreeing and then possibly change your mind? And if you did, why did you start out with one idea and wind up with another? If you've learned anything from experience and history, what did you learn?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, we agree. I think hell just froze over.

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Its about the purpose uv sivilization. If it duznt make life better for the individual to be a member, it iz worthless.

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A country'z goverment'z purpose iz to increase the level uv sivilization az hi az possible for az many uv it sitizenz az possible.

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If youv read my campane website, maybe the total meaning can be unclear, but thats wut its about - making America the best example uv sivilization in the world.

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I believ the basic system created by the founderz iz good, but needz sum serious work to fix orijinal flawz and to update it for todayz conditionz.
Lern from our mistakes. Lern from otherz mistakes. Lern from history.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:In other words, it's a subtle threat.

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Jo, I'm going to tell you a story which I hope you'll take the time to read. It's a real-life story (mine) with strange parallels to today.

A long time ago, on a website far away ...

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Originally posted by second:
I learned that Osama bin Laden understood the Pentagon and Congress more accurately than the average US citizen does:

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Originally posted by JO753:
A segjestion for you: If you dont want us to think you are a Putin operativ, at least admit hiz crimez and that he iz not interested in helping America.

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Originally posted by G:
'Yes' to all of this Jo - well said. It is brilliant what Putin's is doing, and our over officious, ego driven, jerkwad "leeders" are to busy arguing with each other and thinking only of themselves to see it. Well, most them.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jo, I'm still waiting for evidence.

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Originally posted by JO753:
(6! post a 'blo xoz spekrz' yqtqb!)
(6! post 'dragd down bi xu ston' bi pink floed!)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JO -Thank you for your answer. Mostly, I agree, But now, a few caveats.

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Its about the purpose uv sivilization. If it duznt make life better for the individual to be a member, it iz worthless.

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Better than what? A solitary life, scratching out a miserable existence in the wilds of the jungle, or downtown Detroit? That's a pretty low bar, almost ANY society can do that.

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Also, I disagree to some extent on the focus towards the individual. I posted many thoughts on the relationship between the individual and society. Society has it's own requirements for survival, which at times requires individuals to cooperate and be productive. If you want the society to survive, you have to contribute something towards its maintenance and defense.

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There are reasons to think the goal of a comfortable, work-free lifestyle isn't GOOD for people, just as extreme individualism leads to social isolation and isn't good for people either. So if civilization is geared towards giving people what they want (or have been convinced they should want)- fun, freedom, a lot of toys, and no work - it may not be providing people with what they NEED - agency in their own lives, social connection, a feeling of higher purpose.

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The FF created a political system. But its the economic system that needs work. Political equality can't exist without economic equality.

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I think we agree on many things.

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So how does "being a good example" relate to our swath of destruction thru the MENA and our relations with Russia, China, and the remainder of the world?

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