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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
As far as the money is concerned; you're damn straight the Dems spent gobs of money, he was in the Lion's den there Rappy. The Dems had to pull the Full Monty to get any attention in the Republicans stronghold. TV ad time is expensive, and they had to get the word out because it was an important seat. You guys make it seem as though all the money in the world was spent while children are dying in Africa. Now, if they don't spend shit you and all your little buddies would be screaming bloody murder that the Dems are cheapskates. It's the old story - damned if you do, or damned if you don't.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
True. Trump is heaven for the rich, hell for all others.

We already knew the Democrat was going to lose. The Koch brothers got involved.

There is literally no election they can't buy.

Since Citizens United, our government is for sale to the highest bidder, and no one bids higher than the Kochs.

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Originally posted by G:
Absolutely, that graph shows an increase of 8 to 13 blue people working into their early 100's and that's the way it should be! Old people can rest when their dead... you crazy drunk bitty.

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Originally posted by SGG:
Plus the fact that Georgia, and in particular District 6 is a red state.

A voter registration movement by Dems for Ossoff produced 86,000 registered voters, of which Handel had 40,000 purged from the voter rolls. Sneaky fucking bitch!

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But, not to worry. Handel showed her ass and now the Dems will be prepared for what to expect come 2018. Oh yeah, she was nervous alright. Used all the Repubs dirty tricks from the GOP manual, but it's all gonna come crashing down - House of Cards.

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WAKE UP YOU SLEEPY MOTHERFUCKERS, IT IS WE THE PEOPLE!!!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
SGG - check your sources. Handel didn't do anything wrong, other than spoil the victory party for the Dems. No one blamed Ossoff / or his camp, for the letters or the mailings. ( more likely, a deranged Bernie fan, as we've seen go on murder sprees across the country ) The letters were postmarked from Greenville , SC, which is where one could expect, if someone from ATL drove up and dropped them in the mail, trying to NOT be identified as local.

It was THE most expensive Congressional race in US history. I doubt very much anyone on the Right would be claiming the Dems were cheapskates.

Handel won by 4% ( I had said 5-6.. fraking sue me, right ? SOooo far off ! ) Ossoff had been leading the polls by as much as 7 %. Suck it.

Trump did NOT win the district by 20 pts. And if MY 1% miss was something, then hell yes I'm gonna mock you on your colossal mistake. Hillary actually won Cobb, Fulton and DeKalb, which make up the bulk of the 6th District. Tom Price won ( 61.6 to 38.4 %) over his Dem rival, but that's not Trump.

And yes, GA is still a red state, and the 6th is still a red district. One many on the Left had predicted Hillary would flip. She didn't. Also, Dems went 0-4 in Special Elections, nation wide. - OUCH!

Showed her ass ? Dirty tricks ? WTF are you even babbling about ? You're just spouting inanities , and empty rhetoric, after getting yet another beating which you wanted soooo badly to win. You didn't. But keep running empty suits who don't even live in the district they're running. You're "morally" winning !

And Trump just had a huge U.S. Supreme Court ruling go his way, so yeah....


WINNING!








Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Dems need to stop pitting individual 'victim' groups against society, and instead get behind an inclusive message of fairness for all, and specifically to stop being corporate shills and stand up for a fair deal for everyone.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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Originally posted by SGG:
Plus the fact that Georgia, and in particular District 6 is a red state.

A voter registration movement by Dems for Ossoff produced 86,000 registered voters, of which Handel had 40,000 purged from the voter rolls. Sneaky fucking bitch!

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By normal arithmetic, that's +46,000 voters. In that district, or in the entire state? Because if it was in that District, I can't see how Ossoff lost. And while purging voter rolls is a trick republicans use while they control the mechanism of the state, polls - among other dirty tricks - are used by democrats.

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But, not to worry. Handel showed her ass and now the Dems will be prepared for what to expect come 2018. Oh yeah, she was nervous alright. Used all the Repubs dirty tricks from the GOP manual, but it's all gonna come crashing down - House of Cards.

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I don't think so. That amount of spending in even one district is unsustainable. And dems can't afford to wage an entire nationwide effort at that level - and still lose.

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WAKE UP YOU SLEEPY MOTHERFUCKERS, IT IS WE THE PEOPLE!!!

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Yes it is. So what are dems going to offer to WE THE PEOPLE to turn the tide?

I've mentioned it before, I'll say it again. The dems have been sucking up to 'victim' groups for too long. If dems promise women, Hispanics, blacks, lgbtqs, First Nations, illegals, and so on, opportunities - ESPECIALLY IN THIS MEAGER ECONOMY - everyone else can rightfully question what they can expect. It sure sounds like a zero-sum system to me, like 'victim' groups will get something at everyone else's expense.
I'm not saying groups haven't been victimized. As a person who was SPECIFICALLY denied opportunities - to be an apprentice electrician or pipefitter, and to go to the medical school of my choice - on account of my sex, I understand that there are many opportunities that either don't exist or are denied. (I want to mention, in my case I was TOLD it was because I'm a woman. They wouldn't say any such thing nowadays, though they would still do it quietly.) And, as I've mentioned before, I find it beyond ironic that the only people who voted like they 'deserve' better are whites. Apparently whites haven't been downtrodden long enough to have figured out their place in this supranational corporatist world.

THAT SAID - instead of stoking grievances in 'victim' groups and having an implied bias against everyone else, you can't go wrong getting behind basic fairness. Because the thing about fairness is that it applies to everyone' 'victim' groups and whites alike. If it doesn't, by definition, it's not fair.

Dems need to stop pitting individual 'victim' groups against society, and instead get behind an inclusive message of fairness for all, and specifically to stop being corporate shills and stand up for a fair deal for everyone.

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No, I want to hear you explain it. And those numbers were debunked, but try anyway. - GSTRING

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WAAAAH!!! I WANT EASY!!!- GSTRING

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I don't want easy, I want to hear Kiki trip all over herself as she tries to make this make sense ... GSTRING

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
SGG - As a voter in the 6th , I think I'm a bit more up to speed on the election than others across the country, whose only interest in this is partisan.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SHINY ...

I personally would respond to a message that went something like this ....

1) Withdraw from all free trade agreements.

2) Implement a four-point plan* to deal with illegal immigration and illegal immigrants.

3) Stop intervening militarily abroad: Withdraw our troops from the EU, the Mideast, and Far East etc. giving our allies the chance to improve their own defensive capabilities.

4) Make corporate tax law, individual tax law, and capital gains tax the same; and eliminate the many tens of thousands of deductions, exemptions, depreciations, and reimbursements currently enjoyed by corporations and financial institutions not currently available to individuals.

5) Require broadcasters to carry candidate statements - free- starting one year before the first primaries in each state.

6) Reduce military spending, and use part of that money to fund a reinvigorated Civilian Conservation Corps and an Infrastructural corps. This would involve not only restoring our degraded environment but also responding to climate change and improving energy efficiency.

7) Create a true National Bank. Restore Glass-Steagall. Require increasing percentages of capitalization behind ALL loans, whether through a bank or private lender, until fractional reserve lending is eliminated.

8) Create a single payer health insurance; require healthcare providers to publicly post their fees; have the Federal government negotiate prices for pharma.

9) Disband most of the NSA, CIA, State Department, and other departments and institutions which serve a primarily "interventionist" agenda.

10) Require that all critical infrastructure (electricity, water supply, sanitation, traffic control, banking) and institutions which maintain privacy-related information (hospitals, commercial servers) be hardened against cyber attack. Have the revamped security institutions conduct mock cyber attacks and work with the institutions and entities to plug their security holes.

11) Eliminate "corporate personhood". (In fact, I would seriously consider revamping corporate law completely.) and re-state the role of the SEC not to just outlaw monopolistic BEHAVIOR but to outlaw monopolies altogether.

12) Require that all applications be "blinded" ... i.e. ranked, at least as a first cut, without reference to a person's age, sex, and even name. Tenasha Dwan McLanister would have the same chance as Adam Smith.

I'm sure I can think of a lot more things to vote for! But ANY ONE of those in a Dem candidate's platform would be a welcome change! But the Dems lack balls, and they keep lying to us about who they really represent.



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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Yes, you are right. Dems should be ashamed of themselves pulling for victims across the nation and ignoring the poor white folks, both Dems and Repubs alike.

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The good news is that (in Ossoff) Democrats now have a case study for 2018 on how to lose an election with virtually unlimited funds, in the most expensive race in Congressional history.
The bad news is that they didn't get the message from 2016: that if you don't have a likable candidate who connects with people, with a message that jumps out at you, you're going to lose.

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That the campaign did nothing to create a connection between the candidate and the voters, and had no clear message, is difficult to believe. This is campaign messaging 101. You start by introducing the candidate as a person, weaving together his life history and values with those of the people he wants to serve, so that it's obvious that he's the right person, with the right values, for the times. You have a pithy version of that core narrative, written in the language of the kitchen table, so people will talk about it, and which is memorable, so that it sticks. ,... Voters should be able to assume your positions on issues from your values.

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All voters are really looking for are the answers to two questions: do you understand and care about people like me, and do you share my values?

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So what was wrong with Ossoff's campaign? Having watched so many ads for so many months, I should know who Jon Ossoff is ... But after all those months and all those ads, I couldn't answer a single one of those questions. I didn't have a clue who he is or where he came from. I have no idea what he's done with his life and career so far, and what he believes in and why. I don't even know why he was running for Congress. ... It wasn't until a couple days after the race was over that I even learned, after asking several people who didn't know either, that he actually grew up in Atlanta.
I certainly saw nothing in any ads, from him or his opponent, that would make me dislike him. But it might have been nice to have reason to like him. He had no narrative, no message, and no connection to me, and if he didn't to me, I doubt his ads created much of a connection to anyone else ...

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So why not run as a Democrat, who cares about a little girl named say, Emma, a six-year-old child whose leukemia is finally in remission, but whose life is on the line if Republicans, by design or by accident, cut the lifeline that saved her life in the first place?
Why not show with your words, your intonation, and your actions -- by visiting kids like Emma in what is identifiably Northside Hospital, and naming the hospital by name, because it's one of the best hospitals in the state, with affiliated doctors all over the district, and it conveys that you know that district and care about the people in it.
And why not make clear that you understand what your opponent doesn't: that this is not about abstractions. This is not about a name, either, "Obamacare" vs. "Trumpcare." This is about Emma. This is about common sense, that health care is too important to too many people to eliminate what we have in one fell swoop, on one day, and replace it immediately with something new and untested.

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