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This has got to be the best explanation of what we're doing wrong, by Peter Schiff. Schiff, btw, predicted the 2008 melt-down, and people laughed at him.

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This has got to be the best explanation of what we're doing wrong, by Peter Schiff. Schiff, btw, predicted the 2008 melt-down, and people laughed at him.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I briefly looked for a date for the video, or a date for the prediction, and didn't find any.

I think you'll have to do better than ...


... it's all good so far!

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Originally posted by JO753:
He makes a common mistake in the video.

"Why did peepl vote for Trump if everything iz so good? Why did they vote for chanje? They shoud hav voted for Hillary for more uv the same."

I keep hearing the 'why did voterz chooze Trump' argument in various formz.

It iz false. Peepl DID vote for Hillary! She got 3 million more votes than Trump - a comfortable marjin, exept for the $#@& stoopid electoral collej system.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I briefly looked for a date for the video, or a date for the prediction, and didn't find any.

I think you'll have to do better than ...


... it's all good so far!

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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I'm not sure if you are implying the prediction was around July 2017 with Dow around 21,500-21,800 or the prediction was around 2012 with Dow around 12,000. Regardless of when in that span, his Nostradamus act appears worthless.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Besides... you guys had 8 years to do something about the Electoral College when your Savior was in office. The problem is that you never hear Democrats bitching about it when a Democrat wins.

I suspect that is because Democrats in power know that they truly don't want to get rid of it either.

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Besides... you guys had 8 years to do something about the Electoral College when your Savior was in office. The problem is that you never hear Democrats bitching about it when a Democrat wins.

I suspect that is because Democrats in power know that they truly don't want to get rid of it either.

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True. Only the Demz get all the idiot points kuz they got burned twise in the last 5 electionz.

But not only that. The Democratic Party wuz actually formed az a rezult uv the 1st electoral collej victory over the popular vote! From Wiki:

"Soon after his inauguration as President, Adams appointed Henry Clay as his secretary of state. This result became a source of great bitterness for Jackson and his supporters, who proclaimed the election of Adams a "corrupt bargain," and were inspired to create the Democratic Party."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_
which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote

The next loss wuz wen the Demz were the bad guyz after the sivil war.

So all 4 timez it worked for the GoPs.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Besides... you guys had 8 years to do something about the Electoral College when your Savior was in office. The problem is that you never hear Democrats bitching about it when a Democrat wins.

I suspect that is because Democrats in power know that they truly don't want to get rid of it either.

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True. Only the Demz get all the idiot points kuz they got burned twise in the last 5 electionz.

But not only that. The Democratic Party wuz actually formed az a rezult uv the 1st electoral collej victory over the popular vote! From Wiki:

"Soon after his inauguration as President, Adams appointed Henry Clay as his secretary of state. This result became a source of great bitterness for Jackson and his supporters, who proclaimed the election of Adams a "corrupt bargain," and were inspired to create the Democratic Party."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_
which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote

The next loss wuz wen the Demz were the bad guyz after the sivil war.

So all 4 timez it worked for the GoPs.

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So what do you think the reason for this is J0?

It's happened twice now since I've been old enough to vote. There's plenty of bitching about how unfair it is when it happens, but when it doesn't happen and there's a Dem in the President's seat, nobody even talks about it anymore. The first two years under Obama he had the house and senate backing him.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Besides... you guys had 8 years to do something about the Electoral College when your Savior was in office. The problem is that you never hear Democrats bitching about it when a Democrat wins.

I suspect that is because Democrats in power know that they truly don't want to get rid of it either.

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True. Only the Demz get all the idiot points kuz they got burned twise in the last 5 electionz.

But not only that. The Democratic Party wuz actually formed az a rezult uv the 1st electoral collej victory over the popular vote! From Wiki:

"Soon after his inauguration as President, Adams appointed Henry Clay as his secretary of state. This result became a source of great bitterness for Jackson and his supporters, who proclaimed the election of Adams a "corrupt bargain," and were inspired to create the Democratic Party."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_
which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote

The next loss wuz wen the Demz were the bad guyz after the sivil war.

So all 4 timez it worked for the GoPs.

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So what do you think the reason for this is J0?

It's happened twice now since I've been old enough to vote. There's plenty of bitching about how unfair it is when it happens, but when it doesn't happen and there's a Dem in the President's seat, nobody even talks about it anymore. The first two years under Obama he had the house and senate backing him.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Not true, either of you.
Because we are a Republic, if we didn't use Electoral College we would just go by which party won the majority of States. Only one time in Election history has GOP failed to win the majority of States. 2012. So the Democraps have always benefitted from the Electoral System, since 1860.

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2 months later....
Are we in a financial disaster?
Dow is at about 9% off the Record All-Time High.
GDP is growing faster that projected.
Unemployment figures are at all-time historic lows.
Unemployment among minorities is at all-time historic lows.
Home Ownrership among minorities is at all-time historic highs.

OH NOES!!!

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J0 and I are obviously going under the assumption that if there were no Electoral College than it would be a popular vote.

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2 months later....
Are we in a financial disaster?
Dow is at about 9% off the Record All-Time High.
GDP is growing faster that projected.
Unemployment figures are at all-time historic lows.
Unemployment among minorities is at all-time historic lows.
Home Ownrership among minorities is at all-time historic highs.

OH NOES!!!

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The last time I saw a die-hard GOPer chortling and gleefully rubbing their hands over how the economy was

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(I can bring up the discussion if you like, and BTW I vehemently disagreed with them then too) was in 2008.

Right before the financial collapse.

JSF, the figure that you quote are so phonied up as to be meaningless. There are other figures, such as the "participation rate" and the "velocity of money" which tell a story that is not only NOT AS ROSY as the ones that you paint, they actually portray a dire situation.

The reality is that while some official figures look good, the wealth gap and debt burden are at an all-time high. That's not Trump's fault; it was all set in motion by The Fed, and while I support Trump's goal "Make American Great Again" he hasn't had the power - or the time- to turn the Titanic around. Your celebration is very very premature.

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J0 and I are obviously going under the assumption that if there were no Electoral College than it would be a popular vote.

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Well, yes, this is a wrong assumption. The only way to get the original colonies to stick together when they were going in all different directions economically and politically was by assuring them that nothing would happen unless there was a near-universal consensus, strictly limiting the power of the Federal government, and by putting the power of the vote onto the hands of the states both in the Senate AND during the election of nationwide office. The Electoral College isn't a state-by-ate vote, it's something of a bastardization of the process, because the delegates aren't "bound" to their candidate.

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So when do you predict his prediction will bear fruit? It's been a year. What year do you predict?- JSF

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butbutbutbut JO and 6ix have been so thoroughly brainwashed and re-educated by the MSM onslaught of Libtard views, we should not expect them to think for themselves! The whole purpose of this mindnumbing MSM broadwaving is to prevent an original thought from ever populating their cerebral mass, and they are being good lemmings. Ignoring anything they may have ever learned about Founding history of America also helps avoid conflicting logic.We can't really expect these Snowflakes to understand sensible facts like yours

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So when do you predict his prediction will bear fruit? It's been a year. What year do you predict?- JSF

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This year or next. I know that's kind of broad-brush, but all of the ingredients for disaster are in place, it's just impossible to predict what the trigger will be or when it will occur.

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butbutbutbut JO and 6ix have been so thoroughly brainwashed and re-educated by the MSM onslaught of Libtard views, we should not expect them to think for themselves! The whole purpose of this mindnumbing MSM broadwaving is to prevent an original thought from ever populating their cerebral mass, and they are being good lemmings. Ignoring anything they may have ever learned about Founding history of America also helps avoid conflicting logic.We can't really expect these Snowflakes to understand sensible facts like yours

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I would hardly call SIX a "snowflake".

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I would hardly call SIX a "snowflake".
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He doesn't even know what the term snowflake means

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He doesn't even know what the term snowflake means

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Well clearly his definition is different than mine!

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Really soft millennials who take offense to everything you say even if it doesn't apply to them. They feel the world owes them something because they always been handed everything, including participation trophies their whole lives.

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A term used to describe extremist liberals that get offended by every statement and/or belief that doesn't exactly match their own. These individuals think they are just as "unique" as snowflakes, when really their feelings are just as fragile.

"Congratulations! Its a boy!"
"Did you just assume that babies gender?"
"Someone get the snowflake out of here, please".

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
2 months later....
Are we in a financial disaster?
Dow is at about 9% off the Record All-Time High.
GDP is growing faster that projected.
Unemployment figures are at all-time historic lows.
Unemployment among minorities is at all-time historic lows.
Home Ownrership among minorities is at all-time historic highs.

OH NOES!!!

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The last time I saw a die-hard GOPer chortling and gleefully rubbing their hands over how the economy was

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(I can bring up the discussion if you like, and BTW I vehemently disagreed with them then too) was in 2008.

Right before the financial collapse.

JSF, the figure that you quote are so phonied up as to be meaningless. There are other figures, such as the "participation rate" and the "velocity of money" which tell a story that is not only NOT AS ROSY as the ones that you paint, they actually portray a dire situation.

The reality is that while some official figures look good, the wealth gap and debt burden are at an all-time high. That's not Trump's fault; it was all set in motion by The Fed, and while I support Trump's goal "Make American Great Again" he hasn't had the power - or the time- to turn the Titanic around. Your celebration is very very premature.

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So when do you predict his prediction will bear fruit? It's been a year. What year do you predict?

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J0 and I are obviously going under the assumption that if there were no Electoral College than it would be a popular vote.

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Well, yes, this is a wrong assumption. The only way to get the original colonies to stick together when they were going in all different directions economically and politically was by assuring them that nothing would happen unless there was a near-universal consensus, strictly limiting the power of the Federal government, and by putting the power of the vote onto the hands of the states both in the Senate AND during the election of nationwide office. The Electoral College isn't a state-by-ate vote, it's something of a bastardization of the process, because the delegates aren't "bound" to their candidate.

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butbutbutbut JO and 6ix have been so thoroughly brainwashed and re-educated by the MSM onslaught of Libtard views, we should not expect them to think for themselves! The whole purpose of this mindnumbing MSM broadwaving is to prevent an original thought from ever populating their cerebral mass, and they are being good lemmings. Ignoring anything they may have ever learned about Founding history of America also helps avoid conflicting logic.

We can't really expect these Snowflakes to understand sensible facts like yours. Or to comprehend the meaning of Republic, or United STATES, or Confederation of STATES. They think we are the Undocumented Slaves of the AllGreeks

6ix might be confusing the United STATES of America with ancient Greeks, who didn't even know this continent existed.

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So when do you predict his prediction will bear fruit? It's been a year. What year do you predict?- JSF

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This year or next. I know that's kind of broad-brush, but all of the ingredients for disaster are in place, it's just impossible to predict what the trigger will be or when it will occur.

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BTW, I've been constructing a post regarding Participation Rate in the Unemployment Rate Facts thread. In the next week it should be completed, to help illustrate your point (and a point 6ix brought up).

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