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Laughable - thanks for the funny.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And Obama is a man who invented a " composite " girlfriend, for one of his 2 autobiographies, written before he'd even become a US Senator, and the first one, ( likely ghost ) written, at the age of 34 yrs old.

The man hadn't done anything of real merit in life, yet writes a book about himself ???

Who DOES that?

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Weird and uncomfortable: Signym and Auraptor holding hands and singing Kumbaya together... - GSTRING

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Weird and uncomfortable: Signym and Auraptor holding hands and singing Kumbaya together... - GSTRING

Do you never wonder, GSTRING, why you never post anything OTHER THAN personal attacks??
I know I do!
I mean, how old ARE you. Like, 15?? - SIGNY

If you ever post something to make me think I'm not reading the efforts of a 5 year old, then yes, I'll respond "better."
Seriously, don't you find it funny as hell that you now find herself - because of all of your deflections and lies and deceptions - on the same side as your once hated forum nemesis, Auraptor? Isn't that just the tastiest irony? Why yes it is! It's so perfect.- GSTRING

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"Don't like Trump or the Republicans? It's the Democrats fault!"

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Only an idiot or a liar looks at my posts and thinks I think in terms of "sides," like the world is made of two football teams and I root for one or the other - so I guess that tells me what you are.

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on the same side as your once hated forum nemesis

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Auraptor is an old school republican and you're an old school soviet

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You're right- GSTRING

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Now, can we talk about something real?

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The whole "dossier" thing seems to have died an ignominious death. There goes the "golden showers" narrative.

Comey said that Trump was not under investigation for "Russia". There goes the the whole "collusion" thing.

The DOJ warned America about believing anonymous leaks. There goes ... literally. everything that's been in the MSM for six months.

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So, ignoring all of the ludicrous fake news based on equally-ludicrous (if not downright criminal) leaks, and ignoring Trump's equally-ludicrous tweets, where are are, really?

TTP and TTIP are dead. Good news!

The temporary travel-ban is in place until we can figure out a better "vetting" process. That's also good news.

The rate of illegal immigration is down sharply. More good news.

Our military is making a point in the South China Sea, Syria, and Afghanistan. Now, frankly, all I think that Trump is going to find is exactly how powerless our military is when facing a nation (or two) that are prepared to fight back. NOT good news.

The "repeal and replace" GOP effort is stalled out (for now) and the Dems have the votes to stall it our forever. Equivocal news, which COULD be good news if the Dems get their act together and come up with a better alternative.

The USA withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord. Not great news, but not terrible either, since Trump can't really prevent states and cities from continuing to participate.

The GOP Federal budget, like "repeal and replace", is fraught with internal divisions, and Trump's tax reform may be DOA. Probably good news, but we really do need to reduce the deficit.

So, overall, a pretty mixed bag, but not the disaster that you might think by reading the MSM.

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... historians of the 2011 NATO war in Libya will be sure to notice a few of the truly explosive confirmations contained in the new emails:....

an April 2011 email [archived here] sent to Hillary with the subject line “France’s client and Qaddafi’s gold” tells of less noble ambitions.

The email identifies French President Nicholas Sarkozy as leading the attack on Libya with five specific purposes in mind: to obtain Libyan oil, ensure French influence in the region, increase Sarkozy’s reputation domestically, assert French military power, and to prevent Gaddafi’s influence in what is considered “Francophone Africa.”

Most astounding is the lengthy section delineating the huge threat that Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves, estimated at “143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver,” posed to the French franc (CFA) circulating as a prime African currency. In place of the noble sounding “Responsibility to Protect” (R2P) doctrine fed to the public, there is this “confidential” explanation of what was really driving the war ... https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-rev
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Anyway, I'm trying to make sense of Trump's willingness to work with Russia and his abhorrence of Iran.

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Anyway, I'm trying to make sense of Trump's willingness to work with Russia and his abhorrence of Iran. - SIGNY

2 of Trump’s smartest advisers try to defend his foreign policy. Absurdity ensues.- SECOND

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Anyway, I'm trying to make sense of Trump's willingness to work with Russia and his abhorrence of Iran. - SIGNY

2 of Trump’s smartest advisers try to defend his foreign policy. Absurdity ensues.- SECOND

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The only other nation that might share this particular POV is Israel. There are a lot of Russian Jews in Israel who don't hate Russia, but Israeli Jews are very paranoid about Iran.

Maybe Trump is just too influenced by Zionist advisors?

Oh, the Trump Team is just spouting stuff to keep the globalists and neocons and liberals at bay (And how did the liberals wind up aligning with globalists and neocons anyway? Didn't you guys used to be antiwar, or something?) Do you really think that- given the reception that Trump has gotten from the deep state and the liberal media - that he or any of his close advisors will actually TELL you what he going to do?? Yanno, he's like Obama ... spout a line, and then do something else. If there's one thing I learned about our Presidents, its Watch what they do, don't listen to what they say

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Speaking of laughing, or trying not to. Macron. Did anyone see him struggling mightily to not bust out laughing during his and Trump's press conference on Thursday? When a reporter asked Trump about his fake friend "Jim" who said all the awful things about Paris a while ago? Or when Trump tried to place blame on Lynch for allowing the Russian lawyer into the US? "Somebody told me..." Who somebody? Or when he talked about reviving the Paris Accord, "I don't know, maybe we could work something out, and that would be good, or maybe not, and that will be good too..." Macron was practically crying he was holding it in so hard.

The Laughing Stock of the free world.

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Contacted by NBC News, representatives for Kushner and Manafort declined to comment.

Alan Futerfas, the attorney retained by Donald Trump Jr., confirmed he has spoken to the individual.

"It’s very simple,” Futerfas said. "The person was described as a friend of Emin [Agalarov]’s and maybe as a friend of Natalia [Veselnitskaya]’s.”

Futerfas said he has talked with that individual who came to the meeting with Veselnitskaya. "He is a U.S. citizen. He told me specifically he was not working for the Russian government, and in fact laughed when I asked him that question.”

Futerfas confirmed that, “for the purpose of security or otherwise, the names were reviewed” but said Trump Jr. knew nothing about the man's background at the time of the meeting.

When asked about whether he had concerns, knowing what he knows now, Futerfas responded: “I have absolutely no concerns about what was said in that meeting.”

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Good lord. The person who was in the meeting is a dual US citizen who's been living here for decades and working as an AMERICAN lobbyist. He was working as a lobbyist to overturn the Magnitsky Act,

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-14/former-soviet-counter-intelli
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It seems that ANY contact with Russians is enough to set off alarm bells for you, unless it's Hillary doing to contacting, in which case it's all good. But nothing was said at the meeting about Hillary or about the campaign, so all it appears to be is an appeal by a Russian-born individual about an unrelated issue, which didn't even result in any action. Irrelevant.

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He was lobbying on behalf of Russia.

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What was he offering as payment?

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The Magnitsky Act is sanctions.

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SECOND: whatever.

Nothing like focusing on the real important stuff, eh???

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, I'm trying to understand your (and G's, and SECOND's) constant mountain-out-of-molehill-making.

How would you feel about that?

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That's a false equivalence, SECOND. Far easier to identify bodies than to attribute hackers, so I don't know what your point is.

So, what IS your point? That Trump engaged in a larger coverup than Hillary??? I personally think that he's a penny-ante player in that regard, compared to her. And if that's not your point, what IS your point?

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Hillary again, she's not president. The point SIG, is you're a Russian troll who wants the Russia story to go away. We are not, and want to connect the dots so we can understand exactly what happened.

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Hillary again, she's not president.- THUGR

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The point SIG, is you're a Russian troll who wants the Russia story to go away. We are not, and want to connect the dots so we can understand exactly what happened.- SECOND

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G, everything that I said about Hillary and the Saudis is true. Where points are speculated, I indicated that it was speculation. If you want, I can provide links to all of it, but this is a thought experiment, not an investigative post, so I'll save those for later.

As far as who is "the biggest problem", you have to determine first if there IS a problem, which is why I tried to pose a similar situation revolving around Hillary. If you judge that Chelsea's actions didn't rise to the level of collusion, then Jr's didn't either. So, in YOUR mind, there would be no problem.

I'll give you my reaction to this in a bit, but I want to hear what you think first about the direct comparison.

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What IS the point, if any, to that "thought experiment", SECOND? It's so vague I can't even figure out what you're trying to say.

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So, basically what YOU'RE saying is a very Condi Rice/ Eric Holder interpretation of Presidential powers: If the President does it, it's legal. That's a different question, and a great evasion of my question. I'm not asking for a legal interpretation of events, just your reaction to a similar situation involving different people, one more sympatico than the other.

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Send Chelsea Clinton to prison. How about that for my reaction to your thought experiment? - SECOND

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At least you're consistent!

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Another reaction is for someone who said they didn't like Trump and that they knew voting for him would mean we'd have to do a lot of work, you sure spend a lot of time talking about everything other than those things.

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Geee, let me guess why... more deflection?

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You've even started down the path of first saying, "there was zero collusion, none, nada." to "there's no law against collusion! It's okay to collude with another super power. Hillary did!"

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So, what are America's interests?

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