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CIA - get rid of those disloyal to "the President"

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Monday, November 15, 2004 10:37 AM

Scary news. Fascism goes from the top down people.

Purge ordered at CIA

Sources say White House has told new chief 'get rid' of staffers who were disloyal to president

By KNUT ROYCE
WASHINGTON BUREAU
"The agency is being purged on instructions from the White House," said a former senior CIA official who maintains close ties to both the agency and to the White House. "Goss was given instructions ... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats. The CIA is looked on by the White House as a hotbed of liberals and people who have been obstructing the president's agenda."

Click here for the whole article!
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia144041967nov1
4,0,6971093.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

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Monday, November 15, 2004 10:39 AM

GHOULMAN

Collin Powell is next.

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Monday, November 15, 2004 11:39 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Colin Powell resigned.

I have been telling folks at work and here on this board (Refer to the "BUsh and Rumsfeld approved torture policy" thread) that CIA staffers hate Bush. So do military commissioned officers who are NOT within *ss-kissing distance of the President, and so do State Department staff. The President still has that outing of Valerie Plame hanging over his head, which was treason committed by someone (according to the CIA) in the Old Executive Building. They know who the person is, but they're not saying. I think Bush wants to get those CIA ppl out before they bring up enough info to indict Cheney.

ALL HAIL THE NEW PRAETORIAN GUARD!!

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Monday, November 15, 2004 12:41 PM

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Yay! I want to go on record here before the FBI and Bush's CIA (what remains of it) saying that I love the secret police.

Tongue firmly in cheek,
BWaWW

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Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Now, here is a PERFECT example of Republican fact-smithing, and the media's unblinking acceptance of facts and statments which contradict each other even within one para. David Ensor, the person who wrote this piece of cr*p for CNN, should hang his head in shame.

/ www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/15/cia.resignations/index.html

I'll condense the article where possible

Quote:
Top leaders of CIA's clandestine service resign
CNN Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Steven Kappes and Michael J. Sulick, the top leaders of the CIA's directorate of operations, resigned Monday morning, sources told CNN. The directorate of operations is the agency's clandestine service.

Kappes took over from James Pavitt, who left in August.

Deputy Director John McLaughlin, who ran the agency after Director George Tenet resigned earlier this year, announced his retirement Friday. He said he was leaving for personal reasons.

Michael Scheuer, the former head of the CIA's search for al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, quit Thursday.

Top Republican lawmakers (Frist) voiced support for new CIA Director Porter Goss on Sunday after the resignations.

"The aggressiveness with which we will continue to fight the war on terror for freedom and liberty and democracy throughout the world will not be affected in any way by any sort of personnel changes here or any sort of reorganization of the intelligence functions of entities here," said Frist, a Republican from Tennessee.

Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, called the CIA "a dysfunctional agency, and in some ways a rogue agency" that needed to be reformed. He accused some CIA insiders of leaking information to damage President Bush politically in the months before the election. "Porter Goss is on the right track," McCain said on ABC's "This Week."

The CIA "is not providing the intelligence information necessary for the president to conduct the war on terror," he said.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said the CIA "failed this country" with incorrect assessments of Iraq's weapons programs before the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

"I'm not worried about hurting people's feelings," said Graham, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. "I want to stand behind those who work hard. But if you got it wrong, you need to be dealt with."

Republicans apparently can't admit to the real reasons for these regignations, so they use the shotgun approach, figuring if they lay out enough chaff (WMD/ politics/ ineffective anti-terrorism) the resignees will be discredited.

But Kappes, Sulick, Scheuer, and Pavit were organizationally not even near the WMD question, and McLaughlin's only screw up was that he didn't make the WMD case "convincing enough" for Bush! (Because the case wasn't too convincing to begin with, perhaps?

)

And Kappes, Sulick, Pavit, and McLaughlin have never publically criticized Bush or leaked politically damaging information, as far as I can tell. That honor belongs to Scheuer, who was frustrated with what he saw as ineffectiveness in hunting ObL. Kappes and Sulick in particular are seen as effective within their department (covert ops).

As usual, when the Republicans make a mistake they unfairly descredit those who leave. Unfortuantely, it sounds like some of the very best people resigned, leaving the agency to abrasive idealogues like Murray (Goss' aide and the immediate reason for many of these resignations). Which leaves the CIA even more likely to produce that data that W&Co think they need, whether it corresponds with facts on the ground.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Now that Condi is head of State, the purges will start there too. Many ppl don't know tis, but State and the CIA have very strong ties (hence the flap about Joe Wilson and Valeri Plame- Bush saw their cooperation as a conspiracy).

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Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:09 AM

GHOULMAN

Thanx for the info Signym!

You are da shabazz!

It's frightening how the USA has fallen into recognizabley fascist actions so quickly. The actions of the White House are souly responsible for much of it but it's spooky how, like the Germans in the 1930s accepting Hitler, Americans don't even notice thier basic rights are gone. Right now a government agent can break into any American home without a warrent, a reason, or need, and this was shored up by GWB/Cheney last year thanks to the insanity of the Patriot Act.

How a law like the Patriot Act passes in the USA will be hisotrical debate for years to come. If we are allowed to of course.

It's telling that this is a "purge" of certain people in high positions of American patriotism. At no time, war or peace, has there ever been such a "pogrom" in American government. Not since McCarthy and he was just going after people who didn't exist. His ghost commies in the government rubbish.

America was a fascist state then and it took years of effort for sanity to prevail while thousands of lives were devastated and many lost. Murder wasn't unheard of. Today, people haven't even noticed.

Isn't it funny with all the technology available today people seem to be even more ignorant of the truth? Let me tell you a little story about brainwashing, wagging the dag, and advertising...

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Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:21 AM

GHOULMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Colin Powell resigned.

ALL HAIL THE NEW PRAETORIAN GUARD!!

Amazing... he just quits/gets fired. Just how much of a shit eater does one have to be? Let's see...

Colin stayed around to help an evil regime take over the US government. Then because he hates these evil pricks who ruined his career and made him lie to the entire world... he quits.

A no confidence vote.

Personally, Uncle Toms like Colin Powell don't impress me at all.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:35 AM

PIRATEJENNY

Don't you mean get rid of those who disagree with the President....

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Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:41 AM

PIRATEJENNY

Quote:
Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, called the CIA "a dysfunctional agency, and in some ways a rogue agency" that needed to be reformed. He accused some CIA insiders of leaking information to damage President Bush politically in the months before the election. "Porter Goss is on the right track," McCain said on ABC's "This Week."

Dick Cheny is on his last legs I wouldn't be surprised if he either resigned from his post or died...anyone else get the feeling that McCain is going to be ushered in as Vice President!!

I just get that feeling!!

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Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:46 AM

PIRATEJENNY

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Colin Powell resigned.

ALL HAIL THE NEW PRAETORIAN GUARD!!

Amazing... he just quits/gets fired. Just how much of a shit eater does one have to be? Let's see...

Colin stayed around to help an evil regime take over the US government. Then because he hates these evil pricks who ruined his career and made him lie to the entire world... he quits.

A no confidence vote.

Personally, Uncle Toms like Colin Powell don't impress me at all.

Colin Powell should have quit a long time ago before lying..but who knows what the Bush administration has on him

but I'm not impressed with him either

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Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Don't you mean get rid of those who disagree with the President....

Unfortunately, dangerously, the Administration equates disagreement with disloyalty. Too bad. Instead of listening Joe Wilson, Cheney saw a conspiracy between State/ CIA and he or somone in his office apparently outed Valerie Plame. (TREASON)

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Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:56 AM

BARNSTORMER

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Scary news. Fascism goes from the top down people.

Purge ordered at CIA

Sources say White House has told new chief 'get rid' of staffers who were disloyal to president

By KNUT ROYCE
WASHINGTON BUREAU
"The agency is being purged on instructions from the White House," said a former senior CIA official who maintains close ties to both the agency and to the White House. "Goss was given instructions ... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats. The CIA is looked on by the White House as a hotbed of liberals and people who have been obstructing the president's agenda."

Click here for the whole article!
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia144041967nov1
4,0,6971093.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines]

Hmmmm

The Liberal press strikes again.

To bad they did'nt include the actual quotes form the memo's from Goss.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/17/cia.memo/index.html

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:10 AM

GHOULMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by BarnStormer:
Hmmmm

The Liberal press strikes again.

To bad they didn't include the actual quotes form the memo's from Goss.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/17/cia.memo/index.html

Uh huh. Is that supposed to mean something?

You present it as if this memo contradicts the subject of this thread. The memo does not.

So what's your point? Just dieing to blame something on liberals?

"In a memo e-mailed to CIA staff Monday, Goss set out what he called "the rules of the road."

"We support the administration, and its policies, in our work as agency employees," he said. "We do not identify with, support or champion opposition to the administration or its policies."
Frelling insane crap. Nazis!

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Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:20 AM

GHOULMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
Colin Powell should have quit a long time ago before lying..but who knows what the Bush administration has on him

but I'm not impressed with him either

Too true piratejenny.

That's part of what's so sad about what is happening in the USA.

Respected statesmen are being slandered and attacked by a neofascist movement in American politics. The same neofascists who ran with Nixen. These people aren't unknown.

Goss for example. He's a well known bull artist who isn't even remotely qualified to run the CIA. So why is he?

Because the only job Porter Goss has is to purge the CIA of anyone who disagrees with the White House.

And that's called fascism.

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Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:22 AM

GHOULMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
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On your period?

BWAHAHAHAHA...ok, I'll stop.

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Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:25 AM

BARNSTORMER

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Quote:
Originally posted by BarnStormer:
Hmmmm

The Liberal press strikes again.

To bad they didn't include the actual quotes form the memo's from Goss.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/17/cia.memo/index.html

Uh huh. Is that supposed to mean something?

You present it as if this memo contradicts the subject of this thread. The memo does not.

So what's your point? Just dieing to blame something on liberals?

"In a memo e-mailed to CIA staff Monday, Goss set out what he called "the rules of the road."

"We support the administration, and its policies, in our work as agency employees," he said. "We do not identify with, support or champion opposition to the administration or its policies."
Frelling insane crap. Nazis!

There you go again Ghoulman....

You take only a part of the quote which you feel supports your slant on all your political posts.

Taking quotes out of context like this is really cheap.

The full quote follows, Please pay attention to the last sentence.

"We support the administration, and its policies, in our work as agency employees," he said. "We do not identify with, support or champion opposition to the administration or its policies. We provide the intelligence as we see it -- and let the facts alone speak to the policy-maker."

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:56 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Personally, Uncle Toms like Colin Powell don't impress me at all.

I can understand that. Son of immigrants, coming from a poor family in New York, struggling to college on a scholarship, rising to the highest post in the American Armed Forces, serving with distiction in war and peace, rising to the highest post ever held by an African American, Secretary of State and 4th in line to the Presidency.

Just another 'house ni**er' to you. Just like Rice.

No amount of education or achievment in their chosen field and political affiliation will ever change the fact that you see them that way. You may not wear a white sheet, but I bet you'd fit one really well.

H

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Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:32 AM

BARNSTORMER

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Personally, Uncle Toms like Colin Powell don't impress me at all.

I can understand that. Son of immigrants, coming from a poor family in New York, struggling to college on a scholarship, rising to the highest post in the American Armed Forces, serving with distiction in war and peace, rising to the highest post ever held by an African American, Secretary of State and 4th in line to the Presidency.

Just another 'house ni**er' to you. Just like Rice.

No amount of education or achievment in their chosen field and political affiliation will ever change the fact that you see them that way. You may not wear a white sheet, but I bet you'd fit one really well.

H

Quite well said Hero.
Quite well said indeed. It does have the ring of truth does'nt it?

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Friday, November 26, 2004 6:08 AM

GHOULMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by BarnStormer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Personally, Uncle Toms like Colin Powell don't impress me at all.

I can understand that. Son of immigrants, coming from a poor family in New York, struggling to college on a scholarship, rising to the highest post in the American Armed Forces, serving with distiction in war and peace, rising to the highest post ever held by an African American, Secretary of State and 4th in line to the Presidency.

Just another 'house ni**er' to you. Just like Rice.

No amount of education or achievment in their chosen field and political affiliation will ever change the fact that you see them that way. You may not wear a white sheet, but I bet you'd fit one really well.

Quite well said Hero.
Quite well said indeed. It does have the ring of truth does'nt it?

I'm a racist? You guys need to check what Uncle Tom means.

... and get a room! Sheesh!

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Friday, November 26, 2004 6:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hero- "Originally posted by SignyM:
Personally, Uncle Toms like Colin Powell don't impress me at all."

You mis-attributed this quote to me. But to put it in more PC language, I think that Colin Powell, and his son Michael Powell (Chair of the FCC) belong in the same ethical category as Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas and Earl Ofari Hutchinson.

I noticed news came out late Wenesday evening that two more top-ranking CIA people resigned. The timing of the news was the day before a long holiday weekend- long enough to let the dust settle by Monday, which is when the full press corps reports to work, cup of coffee in hand.

The other thing that I noticed is that two Congressional Republicans blocked the CIA reform bill at Rummy's request, clearing the way for the Prezdent to work hiw own magic on that agency w/o interference from Congress.

Now a truly cynical person might say that it is very dangerous to actually remove influential members from your own Praetorian Guard. It might be much safer to keep them closer at hand and under detailed scrutiny.

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Friday, November 26, 2004 7:33 AM

UNICORN

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Now a truly cynical person might say that it is very dangerous to actually remove influential members from your own Praetorian Guard. It might be much safer to keep them closer at hand and under detailed scrutiny.

I think Powell probably had to sign secrecy agreements above and beyond whatever the norm would be; this administration fights transparency.

A truly cynical person would say he probably had to sign those documents dipping a quill into a cup of his own blood, and then he had to drink the rest.

Maybe too much Buffy/Angel for me...

There is no such thing as a weed.

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Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Unicorn- I'd say not enough Buffy and Angel, that's what I'd say!!

As always, I appreciate your posts.

By Monday, everyone will have forgotten that the CIA is being remade under our very noses. It's like the US suffers from collective amnesia.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2004 10:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Report: CIA paints bleak Iraq picture
Tuesday, December 7, 2004

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- The situation in Iraq is unlikely to improve anytime soon, according to a classified cable and briefings from the Central Intelligence Agency, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

The assessments are more pessimistic than the Bush administration's portrayal of the situation to the public, government officials told the newspaper.

The classified cable -- sent last month by the CIA's station chief in Baghdad after the completion of a one-year tour of duty there -- painted a bleak picture of Iraq's politics, economics and security and reiterated briefings by Michael Kostiw, a senior CIA official, according to the Times.
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This is just one of several classified, highly pessimistic CIA reports that have found their way into the press. Another signifcant leak was the CIA report that predicted either more of the same as the BEST possible outcome in Iraq, and civil war as the worst possible outcome.

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I have said it before many times and I'll say it again: There is a power struggle going on between the neocons and the CIA. The neocons blamed the CIA for supplying "bad intelligence" when in fact it was neocon cherry-picking that got us into this mess, and the neocons outed undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame as a reward for being supplied with good intelligence that contradicted their political agenda. (Why oh why doesn't the media seem to pick up on the fact that this is TREASON/? I mean, for cying out loud, how many MONTHS did we hear about Monica Lewinsky as if she was the most imporant person in the world??)

Watch the "intelligence reform" closely. Rummy didn't want to see it go thru because it would have taken budgetary power away from his military intelligence arena. So he held it up in Congress- (stabbing George "the sock puppet" Bush in the back in the process) by talking to Hunter and Sensenbrenner. Then promised "the sock" that he'd support the bill if he got to keep his job. The outcome of the reform will partially determine if "the sock" goes forward blindly, continuing our foreign affairs along the same disasterous lines as before, or if he has a reliable source of intelligence (not Rummy or Cheney) to work with.

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Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:51 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

A Veteran Saudi Power Player Works To Build Support to Topple Assad
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323423804579024452583045
962.html

Officials inside the Central Intelligence Agency knew that Saudi Arabia was serious about toppling Syrian President Bashar al-Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud to lead the effort.

They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn't: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout.

Prince Bandar—for two decades one of the most influential deal makers in Washington as Saudi ambassador but who had largely disappeared from public view—is now reprising his role as a geopolitical operator. This time it is to advance the Saudi kingdom's top foreign-policy goal, defeating Syrian President Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.

Prince Bandar has been jetting from covert command centers near the Syrian front lines to the Élysée Palace in Paris and the Kremlin in Moscow, seeking to undermine the Assad regime, according to Arab, American and European officials.

Meanwhile, an influential protégé, current Saudi Ambassador to Washington Adel al-Jubeir, is leading a parallel campaign to coax Congress and a reluctant Obama administration to expand the U.S. role in Syria.

The conflict there has become a proxy war for Middle East factions, and Saudi Arabia's efforts in Syria are just one sign of its broader effort to expand its regional influence. The Saudis also have been outspoken supporters of the Egyptian military in its drive to squelch the Muslim Brotherhood, backing that up with big chunks of cash.

The Saudi lobbying is part of the calculus as the U.S. weighs its options in the wake of a suspected chemical attack last week. Damascus suburbs allegedly targeted are at the heart of what the Saudis now call their "southern strategy" for strengthening rebels in towns east and south of the capital.

As part of that, intelligence agents from Saudi Arabia, the U.S., Jordan and other allied states are working at a secret joint operations center in Jordan to train and arm handpicked Syrian rebels, according to current and former U.S. and Middle Eastern officials.

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