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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's Royal Court Issues a Statement Following Jerusalem Announcement
December 06, 2017

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia followed, with great disappointment, the announcement made by the President of the United States Donald Trump, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the United States’ embassy to Jerusalem.

The Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia had previously warned of the serious consequences of such an irresponsible and unwarranted step. The Kingdom expresses its denunciation and deep regret that the administration has taken this step, as it represents a great bias against the historic and permanent rights of the Palestinian people in Jerusalem, which have been affirmed by the relevant international resolutions and have been recognized and supported by the international community.

Although this step does not change or infringe upon the inalienable and preserved rights of the Palestinian people in Jerusalem, and other occupied territories, and even though it cannot impose a new reality upon those rights, it does however exemplify a drastic regression in the efforts to move the peace process forward, and is a shift away from the United States' historically impartial position with regard to the issue of Jerusalem, which will further complicate the Palestinian -Israeli conflict.

The Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia hopes that the U.S administration will reverse this action, and support the international will to enable the Palestinian people to regain their legitimate rights. Furthermore, the Kingdom reaffirms the importance of finding a just and lasting solution to the Palestinian cause in accordance with the relevant international resolutions, and the Arab Peace Initiative, so that the Palestinian people can regain their legitimate rights, which will strengthen security and stability in the region.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is another one of Trump's head-bangingly-stupid policy moves, like his fear of Iran.

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This is another one of Trump's head-bangingly-stupid policy moves, like his fear of Iran.

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This is another one of Trump's head-bangingly-stupid policy moves, like his fear of Iran.

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All just orthodox, GOP head-banging stupidity.

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- Massive tax cuts for the rich, blowing up the deficit (with the plan to scream for spending cuts later)
- Sabotaging Obamacare
- Climate denialism, sabotaging climate deals
- Zionism
- Ratcheting up tensions with Iran/N Korea

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is another one of Trump's head-bangingly-stupid policy moves, like his fear of Iran.

I can't think of any logical explanation for either one of his POVs except undue influence by the Israeli government on Trump, via Jared Kushner who is a die-hard Zionist, and who has invested in illegal West Bank settlements*.

* https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-kushner/for-har
dline-west-bank-settlers-jared-kushners-their-man-idUSKBN15G4W2

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- Massive tax cuts for the rich, blowing up the deficit (with the plan to scream for spending cuts later)
- Sabotaging Obamacare
- Climate denialism, sabotaging climate deals
- Zionism
- Ratcheting up tensions with Iran/N Korea

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Laughably wrong, on every single one of these points.

" The Rich " aren't getting massive tax cuts. The tax changes are necessary and brilliant. Only they don't go far enough.
OCare was sabotaged from the start. It was built on a house of lies, and that's been admitted to by those who gave it to us. No need to allow it to exist.
Climate denialism is true science. Not some phony political socialist scam.
Zionism by a Nazi lover ? OMFG !! Make up your damn minds !!!
Tensions need to be ratcheted up w/ Iran / N Korea. They both need to be slapped down.

* As for Jeruselam ? All Trump did was state the obvious. Israel has been using it as their capital anyways. It's never NOT be the center of the Jewish state. It's never ever been the capital of any other nation. Clinton Bush43, Obama...all signed off on this , but then wussed out, because they were too scared of the big bad Muzzies. F them. It's Israel's choice, and all Trump did was say ' Yep, that's your capital '. It's really a non freakin issue.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is another one of Trump's head-bangingly-stupid policy moves, like his fear of Iran.

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I think Trump is extraordinarily brilliant at looking out for what's best for Trump: https://qz.com/1148673

Trump’s decision on Jerusalem is the latest example of how special interest groups, rather than US voters or long-term American diplomatic goals, can drive policy. Analysts say wealthy donors, influential lobby groups, and a far-right Christian fringe put pressure on a president eager to show he’s fulfilling his campaign promises.

A White House spokesman didn’t respond to questions about Trump’s rationale for making the move.

Donors Sheldon Adelson and Miriam Ochsorn

Just as deep-pocketed donors to the Republican party had a huge impact on the hastily-written tax reform bill that’s now being reconciled in Congress, they have put direct pressure on the US president to change US policy in Israel.

Most prominent are casino magnate Sheldon Adelson and his wife Miriam Ochsorn, the largest individual Republican donors in 2016, who coughed up $83 million. Adelson failed to back Trump initially in the Republican race, but made an abrupt about-face during the primary, earning the couple a seat at Trump’s inauguration.

Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem has long been one of the couple’s goals—one that is particularly important for Ochsorn, some say, who was born in British-ruled Palestine. “There’s a theory that Miriam is the real driver on a lot of these issues,” said Michael Green, a history professor at the University of Nevada. She may be the one that “really has a greater ideological commitment” than her husband. Thanks to their donations, both Adelson and Ochsorn can “pick up the phone and call the White House,” Green said. . . .

The couple had a private dinner at the White House on October 2, where they discussed the Las Vegas shooting the day before, but also pushed Trump on relocating the embassy, the New York Times reported (paywall). Adelson’s spokesman didn’t return requests for comment.

Much more at https://qz.com/1148673

America First? No. Israel First! Who could have known Trump would sell out his country before his first anniversary? Anybody who inspected Trump's business history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I don't even know where this diatribe comes from. Have you always been anti-Semitic or is this a new stripe?

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I don't even know where this diatribe comes from. Have you always been anti-Semitic or is this a new stripe?

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It's anti-Las Vegas rather than anti-Semitic because Sheldon Adelson, Chief Executive Officer of Las Vegas Sands, was able to buy Trump for as little as $83 million.

It's also anti-megachurch rather than anti-Semitic: "I can assure you that 60 million evangelicals are watching this promise closely because if President Trump moves the embassy into Jerusalem, he will historically step into immortality," Pastor John Hagee said. "He will be remembered for thousands of years for his act of courage to treat Israel like we already treat other nations." Hagee is the founder and senior pastor of Cornerstone Church, a megachurch in San Antonio, Texas.
www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/06/why-trumps-promise-to-move-us-emba
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

So if Trump pursued another good idea, like balancing the budget and decreasing the DEBT, you would also be against that if you could find a Jew who agreed with it?
Who does your thinking for you? Their logic subroutine is malfunctioning.

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Never heard of Abby Martin, but she's really freaking naïve and lacking in a brain.

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Never heard of Abby Martin, but she's really freaking naïve and lacking in a brain.

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But, unlike you, she's actually BEEN to Palestinian areas. What she posted in pretty much in line with what other people WHO HAVE BEEN TO THESE AREAS have also said, In addition, the fact that Palestinians are second-class citizens, and that Israel is a Jewish state (just like Saudi Arabia is a Sunni Muslim state) are historical facts.

Another facet of reality for Palestinians in the land of Israel

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So if Trump pursued another good idea, like balancing the budget and decreasing the DEBT, you would also be against that if you could find a Jew who agreed with it?
Who does your thinking for you? Their logic subroutine is malfunctioning.

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That is an excellent argument you are making, except you did not define the term "good idea". Is it really a "good idea" for America if the idea came from a billionaire's young-enough-to-be-his-daughter second wife who admires Benjamin Netanyahu's plans?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:So if Trump pursued another good idea, like balancing the budget and decreasing the DEBT...

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So the opposite of the Republican Tax Bill he will no doubt sign? Are you watching any of this?

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I tend not to believe in coincidences, so the list of related events looks like ...

NOV 3 Netanyahu says he will not let Iran take strategic control inside Syria

NOV 10: Israel instructs diplomats to support Saudis: Cable

NOV 18: How Saad Hariri's (Lebanon) resignation could backfire on Saudi Arabia

NOV 27: How Qatar Is Being Pushed Into The Arms Of Iran By Saudi Arabia And Its Allies

DEC 6: Syria fully liberated from ISIS terrorists – Russian MoD

DEC 6: Trump's Jerusalem decision promises upheaval

Look at all of the nations/ entities involved: Iran, Syria, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states, Qatar, United States, Hamas, Hezbollah ... I sense a lot of arm-wrestling going on under the table

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That is an excellent argument you are making, except you did not define the term "good idea". Is it really a "good idea" for America if the idea came from a billionaire's young-enough-to-be-his-daughter second wife who admires Benjamin Netanyahu's plans?

I am really curious to know why JewelStaiteFan thinks it is a "good idea" for Benjamin Netanyahu to be setting US policy, especially when you consider that Netanyahu had meetings with the billionaire and his wife to suggest bribing Trump with $83 million.

How about if the "good idea" comes from the Book of Revelations and it is the final step before Armageddon and the prophesied destruction of all nations followed by God's Kingdom of Southern Baptists ruling forever over all mankind?

Has JewelStaiteFan considered that Armageddon Now would be bad for the USA? Yes, I believe moving the embassy won't start Armageddon, but starting Armageddon is the megachurch's reason to support the moving to Jerusalem as a "good idea".

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