Hey Thgrri, there REALLY ARE Russian Trolls on here...PROOF by Wishimay

I think there could even be Russian Trolls in RWED. I think it could even be people who post here every day.

See, by saying "I think" it erases liability and becomes free speech.

Something you comrades should probably learn something about ...free speech.

Also, if you hold a sincerely held belief that when you report a person you think is a wrongdoer... or spy, that you can't be prosecuted for doing so because you acted in "good faith".

"Good faith", something also not known to Russians...

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:51 PM

Also, I'd like to point out that if you click on the original link, the info I recorded about our Russian twerps is now missing....

Isn't THAT interesting???

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Monday, February 19, 2018 3:16 AM

JO753

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VERY interesting.

It mite be revealing to analyze the posting patternz.

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Monday, February 19, 2018 3:44 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I'm sorry, but you two are deluded are who you ASSume are the trolls.

A simple court order requesting our IPs from Haken will settle that. And once you're proven wrong, that makes all of your trolling, well, culpable.

On top of that, all of your posts are being added on to your previous posts - which will be added on to your future posts.

How bad do you think all your posts will make you look?

And I truly wonder. You all act AS IF this was kindergarten. And AS IF the 'system' has no way of identifying the libelers, and the innocent victims of them. There is a truth. It is able to be determined. And the truth will not make you look good.

So, what makes you think you can evade the truth, or its consequences? What impels you to act so repulsively JUST BECAUSE YOU ASSUME YOU CAN?

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, February 19, 2018 4:02 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Interesting indeed.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I think there could even be Russian Trolls in RWED. I think it could even be people who post here every day.

See, by saying "I think" it erases liability and becomes free speech.

Something you comrades should probably learn something about ...free speech.

Also, if you hold a sincerely held belief that when you report a person you think is a wrongdoer... or spy, that you can't be prosecuted for doing so because you acted in "good faith".

"Good faith", something also not known to Russians...

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Monday, February 19, 2018 4:06 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And I truly wonder. You all act AS IF this was kindergarten. And AS IF the 'system' has no way of identifying the libelers, and the innocent victims of them. There is a truth. It is able to be determined. And the truth will not make you look good.

So, what makes you think you can evade the truth, or its consequences? What impels you to act so repulsively JUST BECAUSE YOU ASSUME YOU CAN?

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, February 19, 2018 8:45 AM

So the data that Wishy posted from alexa.com is missing now? Maybe that site is run by Russians too?

I'm not worried about anybody investigating my IP here, lol. Even if anybody in the whole world besides the dozen regular posters here gave two shits about what any of us have to say, I'm American all the way. In fact, I've never even been outside of a state that borders Lake Michigan once in my entire life.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 19, 2018 12:00 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And I truly wonder. You all act AS IF this was kindergarten. And AS IF the 'system' has no way of identifying the libelers, and the innocent victims of them. There is a truth. It is able to be determined. And the truth will not make you look good.

So, what makes you think you can evade the truth, or its consequences? What impels you to act so repulsively JUST BECAUSE YOU ASSUME YOU CAN?

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

This applies to fireflyfans.net. Ezra Klein asked:

I had Jaron Lanier on this podcast a couple months ago, and he said something I’ve been thinking about since then. He said that the key to a lot of social media is that negative emotions engage more powerfully than positive emotions. Do you think he’s right about that?

Tristan Harris answers:
Oh, absolutely. Outrage just spreads faster than something that’s not outrage.

I look at technology through the lens of persuasion and how it persuades the human animal. What does seeing a repeated set of things that make you outraged do to you? You can feel it when it happens. I think of it as civilization mind control. It’s not that there’s someone who’s deliberately trying to make us all outraged. It’s that 2 billion people, from the moment they wake up in the morning, are basically jacked into an environment, where if you’re a teenager, the first thing you see are photo after photo of your friends having fun without you. That does something to all those human animals. If the first thing you do when your eyes open is see Twitter and there’s a bunch of stuff to be outraged about, that’s going to do something to you on an animal level.

I think what we have to reckon with is how is this affecting us on a deeper level.

How technology is designed to bring out the worst in us
www.vox.com/technology/2018/2/19/17020310/tristan-harris-facebook-twit
ter-humane-tech-time

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Monday, February 19, 2018 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/fireflyfans.net

Visitors by Country

Country

Percent of Visitors

Rank in Country

United States Flag United States 51.3% 346,412
Russia Flag Russia 1.6% 1,129,804

I know wish it's obvious. Welcome I say, except to those who bash America and Americans. Except for the trolls.

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Monday, February 19, 2018 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And I truly wonder. You all act AS IF this was kindergarten. And AS IF the 'system' has no way of identifying the libelers, and the innocent victims of them. There is a truth. It is able to be determined. And the truth will not make you look good.

So, what makes you think you can evade the truth, or its consequences? What impels you to act so repulsively JUST BECAUSE YOU ASSUME YOU CAN?

I don't fear the truth. I post it. Why don't you comrade?

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Monday, February 19, 2018 3:05 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And I truly wonder. You all act AS IF this was kindergarten. And AS IF the 'system' has no way of identifying the libelers, and the innocent victims of them. There is a truth. It is able to be determined. And the truth will not make you look good.

So, what makes you think you can evade the truth, or its consequences? What impels you to act so repulsively JUST BECAUSE YOU ASSUME YOU CAN?

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I don't fear the truth. I post it. Why don't you comrade?

THUGGER

I'll give you this warning just once.

You've been misled. Acting as if you believe the nonsense you post will NOT LEGALLY PROTECT YOU. No matter how many times you claim it's 'the truth'. The standards used in civil lawsuits are *reasonable person* and *preponderance of evidence*. In California specifically, the standard are even more favorable to the person who files the libel lawsuit.

No reasonable person believes that a Russian troll was placed here over a decade ago just to troll Trump today. And pretending otherwise just makes the preponderance of evidence look like your trolling is intentional.

You've been warned.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, February 19, 2018 3:14 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

THUGGER

I'll give you this warning just once.

You've been misled. Acting as if you believe the nonsense you post will NOT LEGALLY PROTECT YOU. No matter how many times you claim it's 'the truth'. The standards used in civil lawsuits are *reasonable person* and *preponderance of evidence*. In California specifically, the standard are even more favorable to the person who files the libel lawsuit.

No reasonable person believes that a Russian troll was placed here over a decade ago just to troll Trump today. And pretending otherwise just makes the preponderance of evidence look like your trolling is intentional.

You've been warned.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

Please take this to court, 1kiki. Please show everyone that you really live in California. And while you are suing, you ought to sue these scholars:

Trump debuts in last place in political scientists’ “Presidential Greatness Rankings”

The low opinion of the current president crosses party lines. Of the scholars surveyed, those identifying as Democrats put Trump last, independents put him second-last, and Republicans put him 40th, still in the bottom five.

A group of more than 170 scholars from the American Political Science Association released a survey today (on Presidents’ Day, the national holiday celebrating those who have held the office), which aims to calculate the “greatness” of every US president. Trump debuted at 44th, in last place. (There are only 44 spots, because Grover Cleveland served two nonconsecutive terms.)

Trump is ranked lower in the reckoning of political scientists than James Buchanan, the president who saw the US descend into civil war, scandal-ridden presidents like Warren Harding and Andrew Johnson, and William Henry Harrison, who only managed to serve for 31 days before dying of pneumonia.

https://qz.com/1210855

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Monday, February 19, 2018 3:18 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And I truly wonder. You all act AS IF this was kindergarten. And AS IF the 'system' has no way of identifying the libelers, and the innocent victims of them. There is a truth. It is able to be determined. And the truth will not make you look good.

So, what makes you think you can evade the truth, or its consequences? What impels you to act so repulsively JUST BECAUSE YOU ASSUME YOU CAN?
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I don't fear the truth. I post it. Why don't you comrade?

THUGGER

I'll give you this warning just once.

You've been misled. Acting as if you believe the nonsense you post will NOT LEGALLY PROTECT YOU. No matter how many times you claim it's 'the truth'. The standards used in civil lawsuits are *reasonable person* and *preponderance of evidence*. In California specifically, the standard are even more favorable to the person who files the libel lawsuit.

No reasonable person believes that a Russian troll was placed here over a decade ago just to troll Trump today. And pretending otherwise just makes the preponderance of evidence look like your trolling is intentional.

You've been warned.

When you take me to court remember spin and lies are non admissible. I never claimed Russia planted you here all those years ago. I said your father is from Poland based on you saying it first. That you may have some Russian heritage, and that you troll on behalf of Russia. Probably due to a sense of pride. And remember, your and sigs posts are full of what Russian bots planted in the news. Mine are not. Your posts and rhetoric are full of lies and deceit. Mine are not.

See you in court comrade...Oh yeah

T

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Monday, February 19, 2018 3:24 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

You said SIGNY was a plant. And you'd be best off remembering all the ridiculous RUSSIAN TROLL libel you posted over so many months. Because that IS what the facts will show.

So - "remember spin and lies are non admissible".

I will be shown to not be a Russian troll, not working for Putin as you've claimed, not paid by Russia as you've claimed, in fact, i will be shown to have literally no Russian connection at all - not even heritage, as you've claimed.

FURTHERMORE, my posting history will show I've been here almost as long as Signy.

The FACTS will show, on the other hand, YOUR history of continuous libel.

You seem to think that the FACTS can't be determined. That you can hide behind your bullshit. A dump of the database is all that's required to prove you wrong.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, February 19, 2018 3:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

You said SIGNY was a plant. And you'd be best off remembering all the ridiculous RUSSIAN TROLL libel you posted over so many months. Because that IS what the facts will show.

So remember - "remember spin and lies are non admissible".

Cites, then get this troll and get it good.

T

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Monday, February 19, 2018 3:32 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Database dood. It's all there for the asking. I'm sure Haken will not have a problem turning it over when presented with a court order.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, February 19, 2018 4:21 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Database dood. It's all there for the asking. I'm sure Haken will not have a problem turning it over when presented with a court order.

I've grown tired of your whining.

T

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Monday, February 19, 2018 6:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

I've grown tired of your whining.

More like "squirming toad time" THGRRI.

I have to wonder if they've been reported by others in the past, hence the reaction...

One of the things the people who were indicted were doing were buying space on proxy servers, so it's clear these kinds of people have no problems working around IP addresses.

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Monday, February 19, 2018 6:10 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

You too WISHY.

BTW, that's quite a toad! Is that your daughter*? Or is that your husband, AFTER you kissed him!

* You've already accused me of attacking your daughter. I never have, but since I'm getting the blame I may as well do the deed! So expect more egregious attacks on your dear daughter from now on!

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Monday, February 19, 2018 6:25 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You too WISHY.

BTW, that's quite a toad! Is that your daughter*? Or is that your husband, AFTER you kissed him!

* You've already accused me of attacking your daughter. I never have, but since I'm getting the blame I may as well do the deed! So expect more egregious attacks on your dear daughter from now on!

OK funs over.

Latvia's banking sector rocked by U.S. probe, central bank chief's detention

RIGA (Reuters) - Latvia’s ABLV Bank sought emergency support on Monday after U.S. officials accused it of helping breach North Korean sanctions while the country’s central bank chief faced bribery allegations, turning up the spotlight on its financial system.

The European Central Bank had earlier stopped all payments by ABLV, citing the sharp deterioration in its financial position in recent days and saying a moratorium was needed to allow the bank and Latvian authorities to address the situation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-latvia-banking/latvias-banking-sect
or-rocked-by-u-s-probe-central-bank-chiefs-detention-idUSKCN1G30ZP

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Monday, February 19, 2018 6:33 PM

It's over sig. Here it comes. Russia still doesn't know just how bad they fucked up. We will also help the rest of Europe put an end to Putins interferences. Instant mandatory sanctions against Russia will become the norm.

New bill targets Russia, others for future election interference

Should intelligence officials determine that Russia has once again tried to shape an election, the bill calls for severe sanctions on Russia's financial, energy, defense and mining sectors to be implemented within 10 days.

The bill, introduced by the bipartisan team of Sen. Chris Van Hollen, a Maryland Democrat, and Sen. Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican, would require the Director of National Intelligence to make a determination about foreign interference within one month after every federal election.

"Protecting the integrity of our elections is an issue that knows no party. And with the midterm elections less than a year away, we have no time to waste," Van Hollen said in a statement. "The DETER Act sends an unequivocal message to Russia and any other foreign actor who may follow its example: if you attack us, the consequences will be severe."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/politics/deter-act-election-meddling-va
n-hollen-rubio/index.html

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Monday, February 19, 2018 6:51 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

A Latvian bank is in trouble for circulating money to N Korea?

What does this have to do with Russia? Latvian banks are part of the European banking system, and (in case you haven't noticed) N Korea isn't Russia.

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Monday, February 19, 2018 7:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

A Latvian bank is in trouble for circulating money to N Korea?

What does this have to do with Russia? Latvian banks are part of the European banking system, and (in case you haven't noticed) N Korea isn't Russia.

They border Russia and it all ties in together. In case you're wondering why Trump is criticizing Russia in the piece below, he is having his arm twisted and is beginning to break. Yanno, this Russia thing.

Hey, incase you haven't notice, we no longer see threads criticizing America here. None that last anyway. It's always, all the time now, about Russia. And with the continued investigation it is only going to get worse. You can thank yourself and kiki for that.

Somehow, I don't think this is what you had in mind. No, I know this isn't what you had in mind. Go ahead, look back and see how long ago you stopped setting the agenda here comrade. It sure has been a while.

Yep, thanks to G/CC, KPO, wishie, JO, me, second, SGG and occasionally others, you're eating shit 24/7. How's it taste comrade?

Russia helping North Korea skirt sanctions and Pyongyang getting close on missile: Trump

WASHINGTON – U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday Russia is helping North Korea evade international sanctions and that Pyongyang is getting “closer every day” to being able to deliver a long-range missile to the United States.

“Russia is not helping us at all with North Korea,” Trump said during an Oval Office interview with Reuters. “What China is helping us with, Russia is denting. In other words, Russia is making up for some of what China is doing.”

China and Russia both signed onto the latest rounds of United Nations Security Council sanctions against North Korea imposed last year. There was no immediate comment from the Russian Embassy in Washington on Trump’s remarks.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/01/18/asia-pacific/politics-dip
lomacy-asia-pacific/russia-helping-north-korea-skirt-sanctions-pyongyang-getting-close-missile-trump/#.WotnsExFySA

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Monday, February 19, 2018 7:41 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Latvia 'borders Russia". Is that all it takes for YOU to count something as Russian? It's 'next to'?

Not only is Latvia a member of the European banking system "Latvian member of European Central Bank detained in probe" it's also a member of NATO.

But ... Russia!

whatever

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, February 19, 2018 7:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Latvia 'borders Russia". Is that all it takes for YOU to count something as Russian? It's 'next to'?

Not only is Latvia a member of the European banking system "Latvian member of European Central Bank detained in probe" it's also a member of NATO.

But ... Russia!

whatever

Feeling a little sick are ya kiki? You should comrade. Your world is coming to an end. Everything you guys post is being proven to be spin and nothing else. Pro Russian and nothing else. Here you go. Latvia banks are a Russian money haven. Oops...

Is it still snowing in ST. Petersburg?

Latvia sees good and bad as Russian money haven

RIGA (Reuters) - Offshore funds flowing from crisis-hit Cyprus have helped boost bank deposits in Latvia, strengthening the small Baltic state’s position as an offshore banking centre for neighboring Russia and other ex-Soviet states.

Non-resident deposits are near 50 percent of total bank deposits, a record high, with Latvia’s location next to Russia its key advantage. It has drawn funds from both businesses and rich individuals, who see it is as a stable proxy for Western banks, with the added attraction that Russian is widely spoken.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-latvia-russia-banks/latvia-sees-goo
d-and-bad-as-russian-money-haven-idUSBRE89M0S120121023

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Monday, February 19, 2018 8:18 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

sending this on to the lawyer

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Latvia 'borders Russia". Is that all it takes for YOU to count something as Russian? It's 'next to'?

Not only is Latvia a member of the European banking system "Latvian member of European Central Bank detained in probe" it's also a member of NATO.

But ... Russia!

whatever

Feeling a little sick are ya kiki? You should comrade. Your world is coming to an end. Everything you guys post is being proven to be spin and nothing else. Pro Russian and nothing else. Here you go. Latvia banks are a Russian money haven. Oops...

Is it still snowing in ST. Petersburg?

Latvia sees good and bad as Russian money haven

RIGA (Reuters) - Offshore funds flowing from crisis-hit Cyprus have helped boost bank deposits in Latvia, strengthening the small Baltic state’s position as an offshore banking centre for neighboring Russia and other ex-Soviet states.

Non-resident deposits are near 50 percent of total bank deposits, a record high, with Latvia’s location next to Russia its key advantage. It has drawn funds from both businesses and rich individuals, who see it is as a stable proxy for Western banks, with the added attraction that Russian is widely spoken.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-latvia-russia-banks/latvia-sees-goo
d-and-bad-as-russian-money-haven-idUSBRE89M0S120121023

T

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, February 19, 2018 8:48 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

OK funs over.

It's ok, there isn't anything these idiots could say about my fam that would get to me... they don't even know them... Pretty sure hubbs and kiddo don't care, and don't want to know these Pinko's either. The toad would be better company than Sig and Kiki.

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Monday, February 19, 2018 8:56 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

OK funs over.

It's ok, there isn't anything these idiots could say about my fam that would get to me... they don't even know them... Pretty sure hubbs and kiddo don't care, and don't want to know these Pinko's either. The toad would be better company than Sig and Kiki.

Still, it's very low brow. And while they do that they cry about people calling them trolls. Week minded I say wish.

Add to that they don't understand I believe 100% they are full of shit with the lawyer crap. Still they persist. Excuse me wish, I gotta give kiki the finger again.

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Monday, February 19, 2018 8:57 PM

Hey kiki, tell your lawyer

for me will ya. Thanks much..

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Monday, February 19, 2018 9:18 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
It's ok, there isn't anything these idiots could say about my fam that would get to me...-TWITCHY

Oh, so why were you objecting? Were those just fake objections about nonexistent attacks? Crying wolf? There's a lesson in there for you TWITCHY - if you weren't such an asshole, maybe you wouldn't have precipitated the very response that you were afraid of.

Quote:
Still, it's very low brow. _THUGR

Says the endless troll.

Quote:
Excuse me wish, I gotta give kiki the finger again. - THUGR

Hey, I feel left out!

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Monday, February 19, 2018 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, so why were you objecting? Were those just fake objections about nonexistent attacks?

Nonexistant??

Well, I would go through the 3000 threads to find them, but proving anything to you really isn't worth the waste of my time.

6ix did most of them, but hey...sure didn't see you saying anything about those....as long as the tool fits into your dumbass agenda, you go along with whatever he says...

Oh, yeah.

Hope you don't feel left out now.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:19 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
6ix did most of them, but hey...sure didn't see you saying anything about those.- TWITCHY

1) I don't even recall reading them. I don't read every post everyone ever writes, especially the grudge-match that YOU got going with SIX.
2) Maybe if you weren't so such a bully, you wouldn't get the bad reaction that you're currently getting.
3) If this were real life, and you were my child, I would walk you over to your victims ... each and every one ... and make you apologize for your bad behavior. So, are you going to start apologizing? And why not?
4) EVEN THEN, that wouldn't erase your legal culpability. You should have thought of that before you decided to be an online asshole.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:39 AM

I'd challenge anybody to find a thread where I attacked Wishy out of the blue. Every time I've replied to her it's been after an attack on me.

And for the record, I've never once said anything bad about your husband or your child. I've said quite a few times how sorry I am for them and how I have no clue how they endure you. I also hope with all of my heart that I'm wrong that you aren't totally screwing your kid up.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:01 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

That's one of the problems with people like TWITCHY, THUGR, and GSTRING. They claim that someone posted something when I know for a fact it never happened. I can't even recall how many times they posted You said Russia didn't do anything in Ukraine and I'd have to REpost, for the umpteenth time, the list of things that I thought Russia did (porous border; supplies of munitions and fuel; spec ops; etc) and reiterate that what I said was that Russia didn't INVADE Ukraine; that what they were doing was a proxy war not an invasion.

I think (TWITCHY, GSTRING, THUGR, KRAPO: You paying attention?) that any time someone claims that someone posted something, they should QUOTE it and LINK it.

It would prevent an awful lot of innocent misunderstandings and outright lies!

****

Well, back to real life!

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:53 PM

6ix trying to minimize the things his booze damaged brain has done and Sig pretending she didn't see a thing.

Wow, that's like sooo entirely shocking or some junk

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:55 PM

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:19 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That's one of the problems with people like TWITCHY, THUGR, and GSTRING. They claim that someone posted something when I know for a fact it never happened. I can't even recall how many times they posted You said Russia didn't do anything in Ukraine and I'd have to REpost, for the umpteenth time, the list of things that I thought Russia did (porous border; supplies of munitions and fuel; spec ops; etc) and reiterate that what I said was that Russia didn't INVADE Ukraine; that what they were doing was a proxy war not an invasion.

I think (TWITCHY, GSTRING, THUGR, KRAPO: You paying attention?) that any time someone claims that someone posted something, they should QUOTE it and LINK it.

It would prevent an awful lot of innocent misunderstandings and outright lies!

Signym, placing the modifying word "proxy" next to war does not change war into "not" war.

Vladimir Putin was cynically playing with words when he declared, on his annual broadcast to the Russian people on April 16, 2015: “I can tell you outright and unequivocally that there are no Russian troops in Ukraine.” Russian troops are indeed in Ukraine, but under the fiction that they signed "separation documents" from the army before being shipped to the Ukraine combat zone. Even though many fight under the same Russian commander and in their old unit, they are no longer officially part of the Russian army, according to Putin’s twisted narrative.

www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/09/06/russian-combat-med
als-put-lie-to-putins-claim-of-no-russian-troops-in-ukraine/#4eaf75903809

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:40 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
6ix trying to minimize the things his booze damaged brain has done and Sig pretending she didn't see a thing.

Wow, that's like sooo entirely shocking or some junk

I'm just deflecting a baseless attack.

Show me where I attacked you first or where I ever insulted your husband or daughter.

I won't bother waiting for it. You can't, so you won't.

I'm sure you'll reply with yet another personal insult to add to the ever growing list though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:01 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Signym, placing the modifying word "proxy" next to war does not change war into "not" war.

But claiming that Russia "invaded" Ukraine is not the same as a "proxy" (or "hybrid") war. That's why there are different names: because they are different strategies.

The reason why I'm such a stickler for words is because "spin" is accomplished with deliberate wording, as you have pointed out. Putin spun Russian actions in Ukraine. WE spun Russian actions in Ukraine. Let's not make it our to be less ... or more... than it really was.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by second:

Even though many fight under the same Russian commander and in their old unit, they are no longer officially part of the Russian army, according to Putin’s twisted narrative.

I know he lies, 'cause his lips are Putin's
Ask him "Do you think Trump's dumb?"
I might be young, But I can see they're stupid
Walking 'round with hot air in their lungs

I hate their faces
All they do is damn double talk
Macho crap about "Who's number one??"
But we know you lie, 'cause you're both politicians...
Tell me, can they please be undone??

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:14 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm just deflecting a baseless attack.

Narcissists NEVER think they do anything wrong, it would break the core tenants of being a narcissist. It's been pointed out you have, and you just ignore THAT, too.

I couldn't BEGIN to find the desire to go though a page of your mental dribble, let alone the dozens it would take. I think that would make an EXCELLENT torture program for hostile enemy combatants, though.

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Wednesday, February 21, 2018 4:54 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Signym, placing the modifying word "proxy" next to war does not change war into "not" war.
But claiming that Russia "invaded" Ukraine is not the same as a "proxy" (or "hybrid") war. That's why there are different names: because they are different strategies.

The reason why I'm such a stickler for words is because "spin" is accomplished with deliberate wording, as you have pointed out. Putin spun Russian actions in Ukraine. WE spun Russian actions in Ukraine. Let's not make it our to be less ... or more... than it really was.

You are a stickler for words because being a lying sack of shit is your policy, Signym.

Thousands of Russian soldiers have been awarded the highest honors of the Russian Federation for bravery/distinction in combat during a time when the only hot war going was in Ukraine. If Russia had no combat operations in Ukraine, why was it awarding its servicemen the highest medals for bravery in combat?

Societies of Russian Mothers gather information from grieving families to arrive at casualty figures of up to 3,500 KIA. Young Russian soldiers in Ukraine routinely post pictures on vKontakte (a Russian version of Facebook) of themselves in Ukraine and identify their unit.

Using open sources, Bellingcat demonstrated that MH17 was shot down by a Buk missile system operated by a Russian crew that fled back to its home base in Russia after realizing they had shot down a civilian aircraft.

www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/09/06/russian-combat-med
als-put-lie-to-putins-claim-of-no-russian-troops-in-ukraine/#173527ef3809

Widespread evidence of Russia's covert involvement in the conflict has surfaced with persistent regularity. There was the case of the 10 paratroopers who got "lost" in Ukraine during a routine border patrol, the scattered Russian tanks and military rations, and the hushed transport of dead soldiers who were killed during the battle for the Donetsk airport in May.

This secrecy is a well-rehearsed policy. During the Soviet war in Afghanistan in the 1980s, planes carrying bodies of soldiers landed at night, in an attempt to cover up the escalating casualties of the conflict. Similar attempts to play down increasing casualties incurred by the Russian army were made during the first Chechen war from 1994 to 1996.

Current attempts to cover up the presence of what Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu amusingly termed "polite people" in Ukraine is politically expedient and fits the pattern of the Russian government's continued disregard for the lives of its soldiers, but it becomes nearly impossible to conceal in the age of the Internet and smartphones.

The Kavkazsky Uzel website reported that families of the killed soldiers have been forced to sign non-disclosure agreements about the conditions of the soldiers' deaths. Ukrainian bloggers published photographs of documents and weapons belonging to Russian soldiers who were killed in the Donbass, while the Gruz200 website continues to run photos and names of those killed, captured or missing, as does Russia's Dozhd TV.

Gazeta.ru cites a surreal case of a paratrooper from Pskov, whose funeral was announced by his wife on the social-networking site VKontakte, only to be replaced by a message stating he was alive and well. When a journalist tried to call, a man claiming to be the deceased soldier picked up the phone, yet the funeral went ahead as planned.

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/silent-deaths-the-price-of-a-russi
an-soldiers-life-40795

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Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:55 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm just deflecting a baseless attack.

Narcissists NEVER think they do anything wrong, it would break the core tenants of being a narcissist. It's been pointed out you have, and you just ignore THAT, too.

I couldn't BEGIN to find the desire to go though a page of your mental dribble, let alone the dozens it would take. I think that would make an EXCELLENT torture program for hostile enemy combatants, though.

lol... says the woman who exhibits all the traits of a narcissist.

You really do love projecting, don't you Wishy?

Meanwhile I see that you have no evidence of any wrongdoing on my part. You won't find any, so I'm not surprised.

Have a great day. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 1, 2018 3:24 PM

Here we go

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Sunday, July 1, 2018 3:25 PM

Wishie

I think there could even be Russian Trolls in RWED. I think it could even be people who post here every day.

See, by saying "I think" it erases liability and becomes free speech.

Something you comrades should probably learn something about ...free speech.

Also, if you hold a sincerely held belief that when you report a person you think is a wrongdoer... or spy, that you can't be prosecuted for doing so because you acted in "good faith".

"Good faith", something also not known to Russians...

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Sunday, July 1, 2018 3:33 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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See, by saying "I think" it erases liability and becomes free speech.

Er, no. I looked up that point, maybe you should too.

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Let’s say that you write or tell some people, “I think that Roger stole $500 from me last week.” This seems more like an opinion than a statement of fact -- remember that an opinion can’t be defamatory. After all, you qualified it by saying “I think that” Roger stole the money, and defamatory statements must be statements of fact.

Unfortunately, just saying or writing “I think” doesn’t automatically convert a statement of fact into a statement of opinion. If you are talking to people who trust and believe you, and who know that you don’t joke around, they are very likely to believe you and thus believe that Roger stole money from you. Thus, if Roger did not steal any money from you, you have slandered Roger.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/libel-vs-slander-different-typ
es-defamation.html

WISHY, if I were you I wouldn't take any advice from THUGR. He's a boob who thinks nothing of posting from a complete vacuum; he'll just get you in trouble.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

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Sunday, July 1, 2018 6:01 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Sunday, July 1, 2018 3:25 PM
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Originally posted by JJ:
Wishie

I think there could even be Russian Trolls in RWED. I think it could even be people who post here every day.

See, by saying "I think" it erases liability and becomes free speech.

Something you comrades should probably learn something about ...free speech.

Also, if you hold a sincerely held belief that when you report a person you think is a wrongdoer... or spy, that you can't be prosecuted for doing so because you acted in "good faith".

"Good faith", something also not known to Russians...

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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