The Evidens by JO753

No. I mean the people in the real world that aren't on the internet or watching the news 24/7.

Nobody gives a shit brother.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:18 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:

Donald Trump was suspicious from the start.

It was the afternoon of January 6, 2017 [and for two hours, the president-elect had sat in a conference room at Trump Tower and listened to the leaders of the U.S. intelligence community brief him on an extraordinary document: a report their agencies had produced concluding that the Russian government had mounted a massive covert influence campaign aimed at disrupting the country’s political system and electing him president of the United States.]

Can you see how this doesn't mean anything when it comes from people who woke up on November 8, 2016 after a full night of tears and a vendetta on their brain?

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Despite Trump being suspicious that Russians had nothing at all to do, Rep. Tom Rooney (Republican-Fla.), a Republican member of the House Intelligence Committee, said on Monday that "there is evidence" showing the Russians attempted to help Trump during the 2016 presidential election, contradicting a draft report from the other Republicans on the panel. Since Rooney is NOT running for reelection, he can forthrightly disagree with the Republican committee chairman without being punished by the GOP. What can the GOP do? Impeach Rep. Rooney for not believing Trump? It is to laugh.

"I certainly think there is evidence of that. I don't know that necessarily there was a full-fledged campaign to do everything that they could to help elect Donald Trump," Rooney told host Erin Burnett on CNN's "OutFront." "I think that their goal was chaos."

Burnett pointed out that "the intelligence community had said" Moscow's intention "was to hurt Hillary Clinton," and that the Kremlin "wanted to explicitly help Donald Trump."

Rooney responded: "Yes, I believe there's evidence of everything that you just said."

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/378049-florida-republican-says-there
s-evidence-russians-tried-to-help

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:09 PM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:...obviously solely motivated by greed and self aggrandizement.

Also keeping Putin happy.

#10,236
Firing Tillerson iz obviously a Putin puppeteer move.

Various disagreements never rezulted in Trump axing him bekuz Tillerson wuz Putin'z pik for Secretary uv State. Tillerson even got away with calling Trump a F***ing moron! Az soon az he sided with England that Putin iz the culprit for the poizoned Russian spy - BLAM! Fired!

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:14 PM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:I'd be more concerned about the over saturation of the daily MSM anti-Trump attacks

I wunder if there were peepl hoo felt the newz wuz oversaturated with the Pearl Harbor attack? For sure there were plenty uv peepl hoo got tired uv hearing about the 9/11 attack.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:44 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. I mean the people in the real world that aren't on the internet or watching the news 24/7.

Tell me how you would know what "most of them" think?

I think more accurately - and we can certainly see it from your posts - YOU don't really give a shit.
And that's fine.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:32 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:

I wunder if there were peepl hoo felt the newz wuz oversaturated with the Pearl Harbor attack?

There probably were.

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For sure there were plenty uv peepl hoo got tired uv hearing about the 9/11 attack.

For sure there were.

So... what's your point?

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:36 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. I mean the people in the real world that aren't on the internet or watching the news 24/7.

Tell me how you would know what "most of them" think?

I think more accurately - and we can certainly see it from your posts - YOU don't really give a shit.
And that's fine.

Because most of them won't be voting in any elections. Now, in the mid-terms and even for the Presidential election when Trump runs again.

Do me a favor and tell me what percentage of people vote in Pennsylvania's special election today when it's all over. Yanno, the one that CNN says is about Trump.

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Yes, the Pennsylvania election is about Donald Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/pa-18-analysis-q-and-a/index.h
tml

Math don't lie.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 5:43 PM

rezident owtsidr

The point iz that this iz serious bizness. War 20teenz style. We got our assez kikt and the Nation beheded. The hed put in its plase belongz to the enemy.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:09 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
The point iz that this iz serious bizness. War 20teenz style. We got our assez kikt and the Nation beheded. The hed put in its plase belongz to the enemy.

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The point is that nobody is listening and nobody cares J0.

Had this been the first and only thing that the MSM went after Trump for, then even after all this time there might be more people who cared, but it is far from that.

Anybody care to jump in here and list the countless things the MSM has tried to use to bring Trump down since November 9th? Before "Russia" there seemed to be something new each and every single day. There still is, when there isn't any breaking news for a while and viewership is down.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:13 PM

Cites jack, you keep saying that. Cites....

T

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:27 PM

Poll: Most Americans concerned about Russian interference in midterm elections

More than six in 10 Americans are at least somewhat concerned about potential Russian interference in the 2018 elections

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-most-americans-concerned-about-russi
an-interference-in-midterm-elections/

T

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:29 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Cites jack, you keep saying that. Cites....

T

I'll give you a cite tonight when we see how few people turned up to the Pennsylvania special election, regardless of the outcome.

Put an end italics in your signature. I'm tired of fixing my post because you have no internet etiquette.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:47 PM

You better check before you start predicting a republican win in Pennsylvania. Some are predicting a 3 to 6 point win by the democrat.

I fixed my signature and you thanked me. Stop bitching and figure out what you're doing wrong.

T

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:06 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
You better check before you start predicting a republican win in Pennsylvania. Some are predicting a 3 to 6 point win by the democrat.

I fixed my signature and you thanked me. Stop bitching and figure out what you're doing wrong.

T

I haven't said whether a Democrat or Republican would win at all. I don't care about that. I've actually said on several occasions that by the mid-terms I'd like the Dems to take either the house or the senate because I'm not comfortable when either side has all that power.

What I AM saying is that almost nobody who is of voting age in the district will show up to the polls today, even though the MSM is calling this a vote about Trump. We'll see what the percentage was when the counts are in. That will be one of the cites you're asking for. Just look at any voter turnout for any race in any district on any level for all of the cites you require.

Nobody cares.

And yes, many months back you fixed your broken signature and I thanked you.

It's broke again. YOU fix it.

You now have an italics open tag next to your font color tag. You need to put a close italics tag in your signature. Whenever somebody quotes you their own text is in italics now, unless they add the close italics or delete your open italics.

I don't know why I have to explain this to anybody. I've told you 3 times in as many days to fix it by now. Rude.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:16 PM

I think the NY Times may have learned one lesson since Trump trounced Hillary. They're being extremely conservative with their outcome predictions in the Pennsylvania election tonight.

With half of the votes tallied and Lamb up by nearly 10%, they're still only giving Lamb a 53% chance of winning.

Probably a smart idea, although I think Lamb is going to win.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:23 PM

BTW, T... The population in the 18th district is around 710,000 people.

Expected voter turnout is around 250,000 to 260,000. Higher than I expected, although the MSM has made such a huge deal about this otherwise virtually meaningless election.

Even at 260,000 though, that's still 30,000 less than voted in 2016 (293,684).

If anything, this just shows that less people in the district care than they did 2 years ago.

https://ballotpedia.org/Pennsylvania%27s_18th_Congressional_District

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:04 AM

OONJERAH

6IXSTRINGJACK

Next time you change your name,
I suggest Jack_the_Cynical

... or the Blindly Embittered?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:14 AM

I think JackThePragmatic is more accurate and has a better ring to it.

With just about 1% of the vote left to tally that they're going to drag out for a day or two, and maybe even throw a recount or two in there to keep MSM viewership up with sagging ratings over the current Russian narrative, the MSM's predictions of voter turnout was heavily overstated. It looks as though the voter turnout was only under 220,000... Not even close to the low estimates of 250,000 that they were saying. This is a steep drop in votes by over 70,000 for District 18, in a race that "everyone" was watching, according to the MSM.

This also makes one wonder how accurate their percentage of who voted for who could possibly be when the actual voter turnout was 12% less than their lowest estimates. It seems that the MSM still doesn't have their fingers on the pulse of the American voter.

Current counted votes found here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/13/us/elections/results-pe
nnsylvania-house-special-election.html

Overall, I'd say the only good news for Democrats is that I was right about people not caring. Republicans for the most part seem to be the ones that didn't go to the polls in this special election. If you look at the numbers from the last actual opposed election for this seat in 2012, the Democrats had 10,000 less votes last night than they did in 2012. The Democrats lost the election with only 36% of the vote in 2012 with 122,146 votes, 10,000 or so more than what they managed last night. (113,111 counted so far, or 92% of 2012 Democratic voter turnout).

On the other hand, Republicans won in 2012 with 64% of the vote at 216,727 total votes, 100,000 more than what they managed last night. (112,532 counted so far, or 52% of 2012 Republican voter turnout).

2012 Numbers found here: https://ballotpedia.org/Pennsylvania%27s_18th_Congressional_District

What this seems to mean to me is that voting is down for both parties, but it was significantly lower for Republicans. There wasn't any flipping from Democrat to Republican going on here. 8% of Democrats who previously voted chose to stay home, while 48% of Republicans who previously voted chose to stay home. A total vote decrease of around 33% (around 110,000 votes) from the last actual contested election in 2012 would suggest that this election was decided by low voter turnout rather than anybody changing sides.

Unless we get any hard statistics about actual counts of people who voted Republican in 2012 and/or 2016 who flipped to Democrat in last night's election, nobody should believe anything the MSM says about that being the case. There is no evidence of that happening here.

Congratulations on the win. Just keep in mind the numbers as the actual facts when the MSM talks about what the reasons are for this and what it might mean for the future. Don't get your hopes up too much. This race is not the crystal ball the MSM is going to frame it as.

Maybe this is the best Democratic strategy for 2018 and 2020. Saturate us with so much negative news in hopes that nobody shows up to polls anymore and that more Democrats will show up than Republicans on election day.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 9:12 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I think JackThePragmatic is more accurate and has a better ring to it.

You are definitely joking. Pragmatic means dealing with things sensibly and realistically based on practical rather than theoretical considerations. Your entire argument is theoretical, riffing on the silent majority that supports Trump in their inner hearts but didn't vote. Wait until November. They will vote Trump then!

The Pennsylvania Republican, Rick Saccone, famously said he was “Trump before Trump was Trump.” Even the Trumps campaigned for Saccone. This election was a popularity vote about Trump.

It was not a pragmatic campaign strategy for the Republican to align himself with Trump. Someone who knows the real Trump and is forced to work around Trump's mistakes and judgement errors, National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, reportedly thinks Trump is an “idiot” with the brain of a “kindergartner”.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:47 AM

You missed the entire point, obviously.

The point was that nobody gives a shit, Second. Even Democrat turnout was low, although he MSM was saying the eyes of the nation was on that precinct.

I've said at least 3 times so far that I want the Democrats to win either the house or senate by mid-terms because I don't feel comfortable with one party having all of the control.

This was a win for me.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

6IXSTRINGJACK

Next time you change your name,
I suggest Jack_the_Cynical

... or the Blindly Embittered?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Yep, and this is why his observations are so uninformed and screwed up.

T

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 4:24 PM

I don't see you arguing with any of them here, T.

That's because I'm using math that can't be denied.

I also never once predicted a different outcome for this election either, did I?

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:44 AM

rezident owtsidr

#10,258

Trump foned Putin to congratulate him on hiz re-el.... UG! I cant even finish riting the word its so bogus. Anyway, he did it in spite uv hiz advizorz telling him not to.

For a comparison, 6string & JSF, imajin wut woud the Fox comentatorz made uv it if Obama had called to congratulate Putin in 2012.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
#10,258

Trump foned Putin to congratulate him on hiz re-el.... UG! I cant even finish riting the word its so bogus. Anyway, he did it in spite uv hiz advizorz telling him not to.

For a comparison, 6string & JSF, imajin wut woud the Fox comentatorz made uv it if Obama had called to congratulate Putin in 2012.

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I don't know if Obama could have taken his head out of the Prince of Qatar's ass long enough to hear them.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
#10,258

Trump foned Putin to congratulate him on hiz re-el.... UG! I cant even finish riting the word its so bogus. Anyway, he did it in spite uv hiz advizorz telling him not to.

For a comparison, 6string & JSF, imajin wut woud the Fox comentatorz made uv it if Obama had called to congratulate Putin in 2012.

The clocks running JO.

T

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
#10,258

Trump foned Putin to congratulate him on hiz re-el.... UG! I cant even finish riting the word its so bogus. Anyway, he did it in spite uv hiz advizorz telling him not to.

For a comparison, 6string & JSF, imajin wut woud the Fox comentatorz made uv it if Obama had called to congratulate Putin in 2012.

The clocks running JO.

T

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:16 AM

Trump's Impeachment countdown clock.

Brought to you by Energizer:

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Tuesday, April 3, 2018 3:57 PM

rezident owtsidr

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/attorney-alex-van-
der-zwaan-first-person-sentenced-mueller-probe-n862186
Van Der Zwaan iz the son in law uv a Russian oligark.

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Friday, April 6, 2018 7:55 PM

rezident owtsidr

We shoud be getting sum 'leaks', probably from Wikileaks, about the dirt Putin haz on Trump. That iz, unless the sanctionz are being approved by Putin az a stratejy to help keep the GoP traitorz in power, or if they are being neutralized in sum way.

If the GoPs hold on to the majority, just watch the sanctionz fade away.

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Friday, April 6, 2018 8:00 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
We shoud be getting sum 'leaks', probably from Wikileaks, about the dirt Putin haz on Trump. That iz, unless the sanctionz are being approved by Putin az a stratejy to help keep the GoP traitorz in power, or if they are being neutralized in sum way.

If the GoPs hold on to the majority, just watch the sanctionz fade away.

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But I thought Wikileaks was Russia?

Goalpost: Shifted.

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Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:02 AM

rezident owtsidr

Putin woudnt tell us directly, they will giv it to sumwun ho then gets it to the press. Thats wut Wikileaks did for the 2016 election influensing project, so maybe they will get the job agen.

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Saturday, April 7, 2018 1:33 AM

lol...

Love how you guys forget how damaging Wikileaks was to GWB. I know that I didn't.

Wikileaks is a good thing. Sorry they played a part in Hillary's loss, but you need to get over it.

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Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:10 AM

rezident owtsidr

She iz vizably upset:

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Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:12 AM

rezident owtsidr

2 hypothosis on the Syria strikes and I dont know wich iz more likely:

1. Putin gave the go-ahed to Trump. Hiz advantaj iz that he can sell more weponz to Asad, maybe even get him so far in det that Putin basicly ownz Syria.

Trump iz uzing it az a distraction from wuts going on with Muellerz investigation.

or

2. Trump knowz the gig iz up on all the dirt Putin haz on him anyway kuz uv the Cohen raid, so he duznt care if Putin lets out the pee tape & wutevr other leveraj he had. He wants to get a few punchez in agenst Putin befor the hammer drops.

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Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:12 AM

Really? I thought that was just her resting bitch face.

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Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:28 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Yesterday, why did Trump pardon Scooter Libby, who was convicted in 2007 of lying about his role in exposing an undercover CIA agent, Valerie Plame?

A little background on Scooter: Plame’s husband was an annoyance to the Bush administration. Bush claimed Iraq was importing Yellow Cake (uranium ore) from Niger. Plame’s husband, the U.S. ambassador to Niger, knew that to be false and spoke up about all the falseness. So Bush takes revenge on the wife of the ambassador. Scooter Libby did the dirty work for Bush.
www.huffingtonpost.com/knut-royce/italian-letter-iraq-invasion_b_55742
04.html

There’s very little point to Trump’s pardon, since Libby never spent a day in jail and has long since been readmitted to the bar. However, White House counselor Kellyanne Conway explained: “Many people think that Scooter Libby was the victim of a special counsel gone amok.”

Hmmm. A special prosecutor run amok. I wonder who else might be a victim of a special prosecutor run amok? Oh right, Trump explains:

Quote:
Why does the Mueller team have 13 hardened Democrats, some big Crooked Hillary supporters, and Zero Republicans? Another Dem recently added...does anyone think this is fair? And yet, there is NO COLLUSION!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/975350027169206273

I suppose all of Mueller’s victims deserve pardons too, don’t they? Of course they do.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 18, 2018 6:14 PM

rezident owtsidr

#10,589 & 10, 986 (there are many smaller bits uv evidens that, altho damming by themselvez, are lost in the non-stop avalanch uv bigger revelationz)

Trump reversez sanctionz 1 day after Haley anounsez them. And
"lots uv curse wordz" from Trump wen he findz out that US expelled way more Russianz than Frans and Jermany.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-furious-over-leadership
-role-on-russian-diplomat-expulsions-1213391939731

Its a rase now! Will Putin release sum kompromat first? Or will Mueller indite Trump? Or will the Stormy Danialz affair cauze a catastrofy uv sum sort?

Maybe they will all happen at about the same time!!!!

The web uv liez iz in tatterz. The only peeps who are not seeing thru it hav their eyez squeezed firmly shut.

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Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:44 PM

lol... it's an Orgy of Evidence!!!!!!

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 8:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Trump reversez sanctionz 1 day after Haley anounsez them.

JO, this is pathetic. Don't you recall Trump saying - over and over- that he would seek better relations with Russia? That isn't some sort of secret goal whispered between conspirators, it was a CAMPAIGN PROMISE, which he's doing his best to fulfill - DESPITE warmongering nut-jobs and deep-staters (like some people on this board).

This is as bad as saying that Trump wanting to build a wall on our southern border is evidence of a "conspiracy" with wall-building construction companies because they must "have" something on Trump.

Every time I check into this thread, there you are: Riding your hobby horse. You're as bad as the people who were terrified of Iraq's "WMD". Sheesh, JO, can't you give it a rest?

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 11:09 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is as bad as saying that Trump wanting to build a wall on our southern border is evidence of a "conspiracy" with wall-building construction companies because they must "have" something on Trump.

He peed on one of their walls.

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 1:04 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is as bad as saying that Trump wanting to build a wall on our southern border is evidence of a "conspiracy" with wall-building construction companies because they must "have" something on Trump.

He peed on one of their walls.

FALSE

He had one of his Russian Hookers take a break from peeing on his face to pee on the wall.

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:26 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

FALSE

He had one of his Russian Hookers take a break from peeing on his face to pee on the wall.

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Speaking of peeing, here is why Trump can't hire excellent lawyers. Essentially, Trump has pissed on all the best lawyers:

https://qz.com/1256340

Basically, Bob Mueller is playing three-dimensional chess, and Trump is playing tiddlywinks. Mueller is pummeling the shit out of him, and every lawyer on the planet can see it.

Here’s how I know: Every lawyer I know who has been contacted by the White House has represented terrible people in the past, and they all said, “no thanks.” and every lawyer on the planet can see it.

Two reasons: One is the traditional stuff, he’s a terrible client who won’t listen and won’t pay—a disaster combo. The second reason is the stink of it. Their job is not to divine who’s good and who’s bad—defense attorneys ensure that even the most disgusting among us get due process.

But this has other value judgements—no one wants to take a case with all these other headaches and go down in flames in front of the entire world. Be associated with this guy, spend all your time and not get paid, alienate all of your other clients (current and future) and lose dramatically? There is just no upside. Those with the big names already don’t need it and the up and comers don’t want all the risks.

It’s one thing to take a case that’s really tough, we all do that every day. It’s an entirely different thing to take hold of a fucking rock and jump off a ship and sink to the bottom.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:59 PM

I guess time will tell.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 7:00 PM

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Originally posted by second:Speaking of peeing, here is why Trump can't hire excellent lawyers. Essentially, Trump has pissed on all the best lawyers

He haz good lawyerz in the Cohen case:

Seemz like they hav a conflict uv interest.

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Don't you recall Trump saying - over and over- that he would seek better relations with Russia?

And yet he iz claiming "Nobody haz been tuffr on Russia than me" A lafabl lie, but it showz wut hiz wordz are worth.

The Syria missle strikes were a sham. They amount to free demolition servisez courtesy uv the US military. Nothing lost but old bildingz.

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 7:30 PM

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Originally posted by second:Speaking of peeing, here is why Trump can't hire excellent lawyers. Essentially, Trump has pissed on all the best lawyers

He haz good lawyerz in the Cohen case

Another good story ruined by an eye witness?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Jo, the analogy to Iraq's WMD scare is a good one. There are people here - and I won't embarrass them by naming them - who were paranoid about the thought of Saddam having WMD. During the entire run-up to war, and for years afterwards (and possibly still to this day) these people were convinced that Saddam had WMD, and the thought was plainly traumatic to them.

So, in that case, we had a person who was demonized in the press as being a tyrant, crazy, pathological, violent, and unpredictable Saddam Hussein (Trump). The administration and MSM kept pounding on the topic that Saddam had WMD (Trump colluded with Russia). It didn't seem to matter than one piece of "evidence" after another evaporated ... the yellowcake contract was a forgery, the aluminum tubes were rockets not centrifuge tubes (contacts seem to lead nowhere) ... nor did it seem to make a dent that Saddam's nation was being aggressively investigated by Hans Blix (collusion was being investigated by Mueller) and that while some suggestive items were found (some third-hand contacts with Ukraine were noted) there was nothing of substance found, even after months and months of searching. Nor did it seem to make a difference that EVEN IF Saddam had WMD, he did not have them in sufficient quantities to threaten the USA, nor did he have the means to deliver them to us (existential USA interests were not threatened).

No. What these people kept returning to was WHAT IF???

WHAT IF? Saddam was able to build a super-secret facility in the desert, one that he hid so cleverly that it couldn't be detected from space or on the ground? (WHAT IF there is a super=secret channel of communication between Trump and Putin?)

WHAT IF? he had managed to ship the weapons to Syria during a sandstorm, so they the convoy couldn't be detected? (WHAT IF Trump was under Putin's control?)

WHAT IF? Saddam could deliver anthrax to the USA? (WHAT IF Putin used Trump to destroy the USA?)

They created such a welter of WHAT IFs? that it was all they could see; it went completely out of perspective and blotted out every other consideration.

So here's the problem with Iraq's WMD hysteria (Russian collusion hysteria) and why it's so difficult to shake: You can't prove a negative.

It's logically impossible.

Just as Saddam could never prove that he DIDN'T have WMD, Trump can never prove that he DIDN'T collude with Russia. In order to do that, the investigator would have to poke into every possible scenario, and even then, those who are inclined to be fearful will dream up another WHAT IF??

And BTW, this shows that there is no lie so outrageous that our government (deep state) and press (corporations) wouldn't promote it, and no lie so ridiculous that some people won' fall for it.

So here's what I suggest, in order to prevent people from going off the deep end: You must first decide what our existential interests are. THEN, if you see them threatened in a real way ... and not as a result of some imaginary set if WHAT IFS ... you put the pedal to the metal

Ask yourself: Short of somehow "making" Trump push The Button, how could Putin destroy the USA thru Trump?

And - How does a better relationship with Russia threaten us? Oh, it doesn't.

All of our problems are self-created. We made them, we can fix them. Let's work on that.

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Thursday, April 19, 2018 10:16 PM