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The Deep State is Borgoroth, Sauron, The Slayer, yes, even The Alliance.

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I know GEEBERS likes to poke fun at the idea that super rich people use their money to run the people who run the country. But I noticed that - AS USUAL - he has no information to bring to the table to back up his silliness. He likes to reference FICTION !

Well, GEEBERS has ALWAYS had problems with the concept of evidence. And reality. And honesty.

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Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’
Monday, March 19, 2018

Bi-partisan concern that government is tracking U.S. citizens

West Long Branch, NJ – A majority of the American public believe that the U.S. government engages in widespread monitoring of its own citizens and worry that the U.S. government could be invading their own privacy. The Monmouth University Poll also finds a large bipartisan majority who feel that national policy is being manipulated or directed by a “Deep State” of unelected government officials. Americans of color on the center and left and NRA members on the right are among those most worried about the reach of government prying into average citizens’ lives.

Just over half of the public is either very worried (23%) or somewhat worried (30%) about the U.S. government monitoring their activities and invading their privacy. There are no significant partisan differences – 57% of independents, 51% of Republicans, and 50% of Democrats are at least somewhat worried the federal government is monitoring their activities. Another 24% of the American public are not too worried and 22% are not at all worried.

Fully 8-in-10 believe that the U.S. government currently monitors or spies on the activities of American citizens, including a majority (53%) who say this activity is widespread and another 29% who say such monitoring happens but is not widespread. Just 14% say this monitoring does not happen at all. There are no substantial partisan differences in these results.

“This is a worrisome finding. The strength of our government relies on public faith in protecting our freedoms, which is not particularly robust. And it’s not a Democratic or Republican issue. These concerns span the political spectrum,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

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Well, GEEBERS has ALWAYS had problems with the concept of evidence. And reality. And honesty.

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Speaking of honesty, reality, evidence and my problems... I am having this problem getting you to answer a very simple question: do you know what evidence Mueller has? Yes/No?

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I have no idea what Mueller knows and I don't presume to know what Mueller knows since November 9th of 2016.

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I know GEEBERS likes to poke fun at the idea that super rich people use their money to run the people who run the country. But I noticed that - AS USUAL - he has no information to bring to the table to back up his silliness. He likes to reference FICTION !

Well, GEEBERS has ALWAYS had problems with the concept of evidence. And reality. And honesty.

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Testing...
Crap. Putting an italics end tag in my signature doesn't fix T's broken posts.
Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Speaking of honesty, reality, evidence and my problems... I am having this problem getting you to answer a very simple question: do you know what evidence Mueller has? Yes/No?

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What I'm trying to understand is who exactly is the Deep State that these guys are so obsessed about. I want them to explain just who the players are; and what their agenda is.

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Hey SGG: I think you know the answer.
The Deep State is Borgoroth, Sauron, The Slayer, yes, even The Alliance. They're the big bad that lurk in the shadows that can't be seen, as nasty to pin down as an egg shell in your bowl of cracked eggs. The shape shifters that can be shaped to fill any logic or plausibility gap, a writer's best friend, an enemy of the Truth. Just look at the sludge you have been given as an explanation. Sift through that slurry and you'll only find fool's gold my friend.

But I think you knew that!

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It works in the sig line for the next post down.

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So tell me GEEBERS how do you know all of this?

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I have no idea what Mueller knows and I don't presume to know what Mueller knows since November 9th of 2016.

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Because not only do you pretend to know what Mueller knows, you pretend to know what other people think, and what they do, and what will happen in the future!

The endless fantasy brain that lives inside SIGNYM's skull. Making stuff up 24 hours a day ... that was the voices in your head feeding your hatred ... Suuuuure you did ... That slow drip drip is Mueller taking his time ... he slept with her, we all know it ... With his level of paranoia I wouldn't be surprised, OR he thinks his base is so stupid that they will believe that, OR both ... it feels so right that you have joined the Fox & Friends team ... I'll wait because I know it's going to just get better ... (Nobody from Team Trump?) Not yet - but - don't you see the reason for that? ... I love how Trump idiots can't even guess at the future of this ... (Mueller's) like a zen gardner ... Don Jr. - make sure you chant "no collusion" when they crack him like an egg ... how many Trump True Believers think there's no collusion because Mueller didn't release his findings within a week of being assigned. They don't seem to understand ...
"Could Donald J. Trump get a Top Secret background clearance?" Hell no. His financial records would be scanned with a fine tooth comb, so that for one would exclude him. ... There is a mountain of there there ... There are ways to find out what a legal body like Mueller's may be up to/is up to without it necessarily coming from someone inside. ...

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SHINY, I did respond to your post but it's on p 4.

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The multitudinous seas incarnadine, making the green one red"

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Speaking of honesty, reality, evidence and my problems... I am having this problem getting you to answer a very simple question: do you know what evidence Mueller has? Yes/No?

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Kiki deflecting from my question (one I have asked you for weeks, maybe even months, without answer) again and somewhat desperately.

But I'll indulge you because I know it will only show what a louse you are.

Here's your "misrepresented" post:

KIKI: "I know GEEBERS likes to poke fun at the idea that super rich people use their money to run the people who run the country."

Me: Sorry toots, have known about the ultra wealthy trying to buy their politics for ages, thought it was old news around here. Until you can bring EVIDENCE though, of specific individuals and/or groups of them working together in an organized cabal with specific political strategies then you're just blowing smoke to cover for something else. As I have corrected SIGNYM on many occasions, guessing isn't evidence. Neither is making 10,000 word pronouncements or copying someone else's what-aboutisms.
I poke fun because I find the attempts from people like you to use a form of the "deus ex machina" writing kludge to be laughably obvious. You either don't realize it or don't care - either way it's just another fiction as deflection at best.

KIKI: But I noticed that - AS USUAL - he has no information to bring to the table to back up his silliness. He likes to reference FICTION to do that!

Me: You should read my posts instead of grabbing half sentence quotes - mountains of information.

KIKI: "Well, GEEBERS has ALWAYS had problems with the concept of evidence. And reality. And honesty."

Me: So I addressed evidence, reality and honesty -check

Your turn: Do you know what Mueller knows?

You going to dodge again, or be honest?

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One thing is certain, people in the White House are getting nervous. So much so that somewhat irrational, at least that's what Trump and company want us thinking, behavior is the thought of the day. Now that speaks volumes. Rather peculiar behavior for someone who claims innocence. Still though, we can't jump the gun. Let Mueller and company run it's course because passing judgment at this point is premature.

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Yanno, I know I'm going to take a lot of flak for this, but I do have to say: YOU guys have gone full retard about Russia.

In my reading of Russia, UNLIKE US, THE UNITED STATES, everything Russia has done has been defensive. The biggest threat to world peace and stability has not been Russia, but the USA, and the only reason why you're now hyperventilating and paranoid is because one nation has decided to fight back against American hegemony and the crush of the "unipolar moment". You wouldn't be taking this ridiculous stance if you have an objective reading of the last 50 years, a modicum of respect for the interests of other nations, a view of the USA as a "nation among nations" and not (somehow) the "world police", and especially if you spent some time thinking about our ACTUAL interests and the threats to those interests, instead of following every (ahem) red herring that's dragged in front of your noses. I only mention this in the Deep State thread because you guys slavishly follow the deep state line, despite it being totally antithetical to you, to your freedom, and to the economic interests of you and your children.

I love my country (the USA) and despite the egregious violence that WE have visited on the world since WWII, "intervening" in dozens and dozens of nations, sometimes multiple times and killing millions of people in the process ... Indonesia, Philippines, Iran, Chile, Brazil, Nicaragua, Honduras, Colombia, El Salvador, Panama (in fact, every nation in S and Central America except Costa Rica), Sudan, Ethiopia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Sudan ... to no good end, as far as I can tell ... it pains me greatly to see us be so evil and waste so much money while doing it, and to see that none of you have drawn a single lesson from history about the absolute corruption of absolute power.

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Herez your cheif Deep State story teller in action:

Wuzzup with this 'bought & paid for' fraze that iz so popular in the eko chamber? Iz there sum way uv buying stuff without paying for it that requirez them to add the 'paid for' part?


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Signym, with even the slightest, flimsiest justification, Americans willing support the stupid wars you mentioned ... I was around for the Vietnam War. Texans (80 to 90%) were for kicking the hell out of Commies in North Vietnam. - SECOND

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I don't give a rat's ass about Putin. The only time I pay attention to what Russia does is when it might affect OUR essential interests, and so far, that hasn't happened.

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I don't give a rat's ass about Putin. The only time I pay attention to what Russia does is when it might affect OUR essential interests, and so far, that hasn't happened. Russia doesn't have 1000 military installations all over the world, and Russia's military budget doesn't hold a candle to ours. Boy, are YOU a corrupt deep-state supporter!
- SIGNY

You so funny! You owe me a keyboard!
Say more funny things about how you don't care about Russia!- GSTRING

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Signym, with even the slightest, flimsiest justification, Americans willing support the stupid wars you mentioned ... I was around for the Vietnam War. Texans (80 to 90%) were for kicking the hell out of Commies in North Vietnam. - SECOND

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And just OOC, how did YOU feel about our invasions of Panama, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, our occupation of Lebanon, and our attempted destruction of Syria? Please, don't tell me about "texans".

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In my adopted home, I’ve found distrust divorced from the reality of my work. . . . From colleagues to taxi drivers, I am subject to a steady barrage of comments. They usually come as jokes: was it I who hacked the DNC? Do I know Putin? Can I tamper with some doping probes? . . . But even if I don’t take their curiosity personally, those jokes underscore the bigger problem that’s underneath: lack of trust and subtle hostility. With the newly intensified interest in Russian affairs, I feel that people increasingly tend to equate the word “Russian” with corruption, online trolling, human rights violations, and “fake news.” . . . Views of Russia in the US and Canada are overwhelmingly negative (and were even before the news about the indictments and election meddling surfaced).

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How do I feel? I was once a soldier for Uncle Sam. Long story involving a helicopter crash, but I became anti-war. I'm pretty sure smarter people than me could be anti-war without volunteering or becoming a casualty. But most Americans, even soldiers, don't want to know or think.

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I am certain that a majority of Americans are indifferent to killing non-Americans. Like slaughtering cattle for beef, most Americans won’t do the messy, bloody work themselves, but they will pay butchers to do it for them. They patriotically pay their American troops, people like me, to slaughter foreigners for freedom, which is better than beef.

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If, big if, a majority of Russians are as indifferent to killing non-Russians, that would explain the off and on hostility between America and Russia. It would be sad for the world if a majority of Russians believe like Americans that foreigners are cheap and expendable life, like cattle, pigs, and chickens. Americans are squeamish about killing mostly when it is done in R-rated fashion in front of them. When done for entertainment (Firefly) or patriotism, Americans approve of killing.

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Hannity made 37,000,000$ last yir. In spite uv your claimz uv ignoring him, 6string, he iz worth every penny bekuz hiz messij saturated the Nation so well that it got to you anyway.

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One thing is certain, people in the White House are getting nervous. So much so that somewhat irrational, at least that's what Trump and company want us thinking, behavior is the thought of the day. Now that speaks volumes. Rather peculiar behavior for someone who claims innocence. Still though, we can't jump the gun. Let Mueller and company run it's course because passing judgment at this point is premature.

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Mueller is working at the slow speed set by the Federal Courts and Federal elections. If Mueller finishes too quickly and his evidence gathering isn't perfect, his entire investigation would have been pointless because either the GOP Congress will threw his report in the trash or the crooks will be reelected. But I don't have to be slow as Mueller to decide if Trump was colluding with Putin. One data point is enough for me:

Trump did not follow specific warnings from his national security advisers Tuesday when he congratulated Russian President Vladi­mir Putin on his reelection — including a section in his briefing materials in all-capital letters stating “DO NOT CONGRATULATE,” according to officials familiar with the call…..It was not clear whether Trump read the notes, administration officials said. Trump, who initiated the call, opened it with the congratulations for Putin, one person familiar with the conversation said.

I’m sure we’re all glad to know that it’s henceforth official US policy to congratulate autocrats for winning rigged elections. That’s making America great again.

Quote of the Day: “Nice Work, Vlad”
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/quote-of-the-day-nice-work-vlad/

I suppose most Republicans would need a recorded Trump/Putin phone call about money transfers between Trump/Putin secret bank accounts before they would change their minds about Trump. Even that might not make any difference to their love of him. Trump has magnanimously donated his $400,000 salary to charity, but he does deserve Russian billions for his hard work. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/tak
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Herez your cheif Deep State story teller in action:

Wuzzup with this 'bought & paid for' fraze that iz so popular in the eko chamber? Iz there sum way uv buying stuff without paying for it that requirez them to add the 'paid for' part?


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I think Americans have exceptional reactions because they believe themselves, at heart, to be an exceptional people and morally righteous. In this board, it is rare to find anyone who consistently applies the same rules in all directions. WISHY is all hot to trot about prejudice against women and POC, but grants Antifa the right to act with impunity against while males. THUGR is such a strong believer of "freedom" in Russia that he would allow a surveillance state and restrict freedom of speech here at home. GSTRING claims to have the interests of people at heart, but constantly overlooks the massive human rights violations committed by the USA in favor of focusing on someplace far away, over which he has no control.

It's not just a matter of ethical and intellectual rigor, altho that helps. People here really don't see others "over there" as people; there's no emotional connection. They only ally themselves with people that are ideologically convenient, so they can protect that narrative that they're "good people'.

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I think Americans have exceptional reactions because they believe themselves, at heart, to be an exceptional people and morally righteous. In this board, it is rare to find anyone who consistently applies the same rules in all directions. WISHY is all hot to trot about prejudice against women and POC, but grants Antifa the right to act with impunity against while males. THUGR is such a strong believer of "freedom" in Russia that he would allow a surveillance state and restrict freedom of speech here at home. GSTRING claims to have the interests of people at heart, but constantly overlooks the massive human rights violations committed by the USA in favor of focusing on someplace far away, over which he has no control.

It's not just a matter of ethical and intellectual rigor, altho that helps. People here really don't see others "over there" as people; there's no emotional connection. They only ally themselves with people that are ideologically convenient, so they can protect that narrative that they're "good people'. - SIGNY

I do a certain amount of calculation, but I look at different numbers than most Americans. For a famous example where my calculation differed from the majority of Americans: Americans turned against the Iraq War because of this number: 4,540
That is the Iraq Coalition's US Military Fatalities
http://icasualties.org/

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America iz a virtual oligarky due to money controlling the politicianz. There appearz to be a growing backlash agenst this wile at the same time its getting wors. 2 billionairez will be slugging it out in November for the governorship uv Illinois. More than 130,000,000$ wuz spent in the primariez alone for a job that payz 177,412$. Wy do you think billionairez are so interested in grabbing this relatively powerless pozition?

Col Ralf Peterz iz a chowderhed. How duz he think Trump got anywhere near The Oval Offis? He helped Fox corral and nurture the idiots uv America into the voter army that TrumPutin carjacked!

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Rand Paul Admits "Absolutely, The Deep State Exists"

Authored by Jay Syrmopoulos via TruthInMedia.com,

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said Tuesday during an appearance on The Laura Ingraham Show podcast that the term “deep state” accurately describes how an unelected bureaucracy of national security officials in positions of power exert influence without Congressional oversight.

“Absolutely, there is a deep state, because the deep state is the intelligence agencies that do not have oversight,” he said.

“Only eight people in Congress know what they’re doing, and traditionally, those eight people have been a rubber stamp to let the intelligence communities do whatever they want. There is no skeptic among the eight people that are supposedly overseeing the intelligence community.”

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