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Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort's cooperation deal with Robert Mueller's special counsel investigation will likely lead to more charges, according to former U.S. attorney Preet Bharara.

"Given how late in the game Mueller was prepared to bargain, more people will almost certainly be charged based on Manafort info," Bharara tweeted on Friday. Bharara previously served as a U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York from 2009 to 2017. He was fired by Trump just three months after he entered the Oval Office.

Bharara also said that Mueller probably already has all of Manafort's information, stating that typically prosecutors "get the information before you offer the agreement."



Preet Bharara
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Replying to @PreetBharara
Mueller likely already has all of Manafort’s information. You get the information before you offer the agreement.


Preet Bharara
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@PreetBharara
Given how late in the game Mueller was prepared to bargain, more people will almost certainly be charged based on Manafort info.



Manafort, Trump's former top confidant, pleaded guilty to several federal crimes in a D.C. federal court on Friday. The charges include conspiring to defraud the United States and conspiring to obstruct justice due to witness tampering. The confessions of guilt come after Manafort had proclaimed his innocence for months.


In August, Manafort was found guilty by a grand jury on eight counts of bank and tax fraud charges. The 69-year-old faces a prison sentence of almost 20 years, though his sentencing has now been placed on hold.

Manafort is the first person to be brought to trial as a result of Mueller's special counsel investigation into Russian election meddling.

Trump at the time had expressed his sympathy for his former campaign chairman, tweeting that he felt "very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family." After the guilty verdict was reached Trump told reporters that Manafort was a "brave man."

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Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort departs from U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. on February 28. Manafort's recent cooperation deal with Robert Mueller will likely lead to more charges, former U.S. attorney Preet Bharara said.


But now the White House is on the defensive. Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that Manafort's cooperation deal "had absolutely nothing to do with the President or his victorious 2016 Presidential campaign. It is totally unrelated."

Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani also made a similar statement. "Once again an investigation has concluded with a plea having nothing to do with President Trump or the Trump campaign. The reason: the President did nothing wrong," Giuliani said.

The president has pressured Mueller to end the investigation before the midterm elections this November.

But Bharara says that the probe is unlikely to end anytime soon, calling it a "“slow and steady juggernaut."

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Well, here we are. Does anyone want to intelligently discuss the elephant in the room?

http://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort-cooperation-mueller-likely-lead-
more-charges-1122668

I guess people missed this little news nugget.


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Didn't miss it SGG, its in the countdown thread. Before Mueller would make this deal Manafort would have had to tell him what he had to offer. Could be a bomb shell.

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Originally posted by second:
I would love to see Manafort pardoned before the election. That might get a few voters who lean toward Republican to think about what is going on inside Trump’s head. They might conclude that the pardon is more about saving Trump than about saving Manafort.

I also would love Trump to fire Robert Mueller, Rod Rosenstein, and Jeff Sessions before the election. That would get a few voters thinking it is not about saving money wasted on a witch hunt, but about Trump. I am pretty sure Trump is smart enough to wait until after the election. Or even smarter to not do it ever and continue to warm the seat in the Oval office. It is the greatest job he has had, and the easiest. No matter what mistakes he makes, he cannot go bankrupt. And he can always pardon himself.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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A pardon is useless. If Trump did it the states where the crimes were committed would file charges. Trump can't touch that. He can only pardon them from Federal prosecution. Manaforts lawyers would fight that but the states would win out.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Well, here we are. Does anyone want to intelligently discuss the elephant in the room?

http://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort-cooperation-mueller-likely-lead-
more-charges-1122668

I guess people missed this little news nugget.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Well, here we are. Does anyone want to intelligently discuss the elephant in the room?

http://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort-cooperation-mueller-likely-lead-
more-charges-1122668

I guess people missed this little news nugget.

SGG

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Hey SGG - no, I definitely didn't miss it! I'm just at that point where I feel like MOST of us, certainly the people I respect here and elsewhere, know what's happened. We know he's freaking guilty as sh*t, and as we're seeing, the people he's surrounded himself with are mostly criminals. So for me now, it's just waiting to see how it plays out. It doesn't matter what anyone here or on Fux, or CNN say anymore - I feel like most of us know where this needs to go, just "will it?" So I'm watching but I'm sitting back mostly waiting for the day they pull his fat arse and fake wife out of the WH so I can put up my new American flag I have stashed (never flown one on my house before). I imagine I will feel more patriotic on that day than at any other time. I will definitely post on that day!

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Somebody please keep track of this thread and revive it when nothing comes of it. I'd hate for it to disappear like all the other over-hyped non-events that got whipped into a weightless froth.

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Well, here we are. Does anyone want to intelligently discuss the elephant in the room?

http://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort-cooperation-mueller-likely-lead-
more-charges-1122668

I guess people missed this little news nugget.

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Hey SGG - no, I definitely didn't miss it! I'm just at that point where I feel like MOST of us, certainly the people I respect here and elsewhere, know what's happened. We know he's freaking guilty as sh*t, and as we're seeing, the people he's surrounded himself with are mostly criminals. So for me now, it's just waiting to see how it plays out. It doesn't matter what anyone here or on Fux, or CNN say anymore - I feel like most of us know where this needs to go, just "will it?" So I'm watching but I'm sitting back mostly waiting for the day they pull his fat arse and fake wife out of the WH so I can put up my new American flag I have stashed (never flown one on my house before). I imagine I will feel more patriotic on that day than at any other time. I will definitely post on that day!

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The MSM, which you vilify on one day and embrace on the next as you do here, is the only one saying or hinting or mentioning but always less than Trump, that there's collusion. Do you agree? No one here has said that. Do you agree? If not, who here has said there was collusion?

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You're funny! As a Russian troll, I doubt you're familiar with Mueller's history as a prosecutor.

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Mueller also is remembered for a headline-grabbing case that ended in failure.

In 1979, the government lodged then-novel racketeering charges against 33 members of the Hells Angels motorcycle club. The indictments alleged bombings and murders as well as the manufacture and sale of illegal drugs. The defendants and their supporters were so feared that bulletproof glass was installed in court to shield the judge.

The first trial, of 18 defendants, ended with only five convictions. All were overturned on appeal.

Mueller, who led the U.S. attorney’s special prosecutions unit, then took over the case. He dropped many of the charges, including those against Ralph “Sonny” Barger, leader of the club’s Oakland chapter, whose charismatic testimony had dominated the first trial.

Mueller led a team of four prosecutors in court when the second trial, with 11 defendants, began in October 1980. But after four months, the jury said it was deadlocked, and the judge declared a mistrial. Mueller decided not to ask for a retrial.

Richard B. Mazer, a defense lawyer at both trials, said the government was unable to prove the Hells Angels was a racketeering enterprise. Key prosecution witnesses, he said, seemed unreliable — especially those granted immunity to testify despite having committed violent crimes themselves.

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When Comey and Mueller Bungled the Anthrax Case
Comey and Mueller badly bungled the biggest case they ever handled. They botched the investigation of the 2001 anthrax letter attacks that took five lives and infected 17 other people, shut down the U.S. Capitol and Washington’s mail system, solidified the Bush administration’s antipathy for Iraq, and eventually, when the facts finally came out, made the FBI look feckless, incompetent, and easily manipulated by outside political pressure.

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Current media applause omits the fact that former FBI Director Mueller was the top official in charge of the Anthrax terror fiasco investigation into the 2001 murders, which targeted an innocent man (Steven Hatfill) whose lawsuit eventually forced the FBI to pay $5 million in compensation.

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Long before he became FBI Director, serious questions existed about Mueller’s role as Acting U.S. Attorney in Boston in effectively enabling decades of corruption and covering up of the FBI’s illicit deals with mobster Whitey Bulger and other “top echelon” informants who committed numerous murders and crimes. When the truth was finally uncovered through intrepid investigative reporting and persistent, honest judges, U.S. taxpayers footed a $100 million court award to the four men framed for murders ...

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Mueller’s FBI was also severely criticized by Department of Justice Inspector Generals finding the FBI overstepped the law improperly serving hundreds of thousands of “national security letters” to obtain private (and irrelevant) metadata on citizens, and for infiltrating nonviolent anti-war groups under the guise of investigating “terrorism.”

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Now, show us the successes.

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Robert Mueller | Facts & Biography | Britannica.com
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Robert-Mueller
Aug 22, 2018 - His achievements culminated in his appointment, in September 2001, as director of the FBI. Just one week later, Mueller was catapulted to the ...
Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far? | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/politics/.../whos-been-charged-by-mueller-in-russia-pr
obe-so-far.ht...
3 days ago - Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election is ongoing – and secret. So far, four former Trump campaign associates – Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Richard Gates and George Papadopoulos – have been charged, though none of ...
Robert Mueller's Most Important Accomplishment | The New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/article/148429/robert-muellers-important-accom
plishment
May 16, 2018 - Thursday marks a year since Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel to oversee the Russia investigation, and in that time I've written ...
7 things to know about Robert Mueller, special counsel for Russia probe
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/...mueller.../101
811990/
May 17, 2017 - WASHINGTON – Robert S. Mueller III, the former FBI director tapped by the Justice Department on Wednesday to be a special counsel ...
Most Americans do not know about the successes of Mueller probe ...
https://equaljusticesociety.org/.../most-americans-do-not-know-about-t
he-successes-of-...
Jun 11, 2018 - Trump, Giuliani, Hannity, and Fox News are pushing the lie that the Mueller probe is a witchhunt that has come up with nothing. Recent polling ...
A summary of the fruit of the Mueller investigation, to date - The ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../a-summary-of-the-fruit-of-the-muell
er-investigation...
Jul 13, 2018 - There are 187 active charges and guilty pleas targeting 32 people and three businesses.
Robert Mueller's Pace Measures Up With Best Prosecutors 'In Modern ...
https://www.npr.org/.../robert-muellers-pace-measures-up-with-best-pro
secutors-in-mod...
Mar 5, 2018 - Then-FBI Director Robert Mueller testifies during a hearing before the ... Katy Harriger said measuring Mueller's success will be a challenge.
In His 9 Months On The Job, Special Counsel Robert Mueller Has ...
https://www.npr.org/.../in-his-9-months-on-the-job-special-counsel-rob
ert-mueller-has-c...
Mar 1, 2018 - Special counsel Robert Mueller has led the legal investigation into Russian ... She says measuring Mueller's success will be a challenge.
8 indisputable facts about the Russia investigation - CNNPolitics
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/russia-investigation-facts/ind
ex.html
Feb 16, 2018 - Friday's news that special counsel Robert Mueller had announced ... as a massive success and will almost certainly try to meddle in the 2018 ...
As he investigates Trump's aides, Robert Mueller's record shows ...
www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-mueller-record-20171122-story.html
Nov 22, 2017 - When he was named special counsel in May, Robert S. Mueller III was hailed as the ideal lawman — deeply experienced, strait-laced and ...

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The MSM, which you vilify on one day and embrace on the next as you do here, is the only one saying or hinting or mentioning but always less than Trump, that there's collusion. Do you agree? No one here has said that. Do you agree? If not, who here has said there was collusion?

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
You're funny! As a Russian troll, I doubt you're familiar with Mueller's history as a prosecutor.

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just off the top of my search: mueller failures

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Mueller also is remembered for a headline-grabbing case that ended in failure.

In 1979, the government lodged then-novel racketeering charges against 33 members of the Hells Angels motorcycle club. The indictments alleged bombings and murders as well as the manufacture and sale of illegal drugs. The defendants and their supporters were so feared that bulletproof glass was installed in court to shield the judge.

The first trial, of 18 defendants, ended with only five convictions. All were overturned on appeal.

Mueller, who led the U.S. attorney’s special prosecutions unit, then took over the case. He dropped many of the charges, including those against Ralph “Sonny” Barger, leader of the club’s Oakland chapter, whose charismatic testimony had dominated the first trial.

Mueller led a team of four prosecutors in court when the second trial, with 11 defendants, began in October 1980. But after four months, the jury said it was deadlocked, and the judge declared a mistrial. Mueller decided not to ask for a retrial.

Richard B. Mazer, a defense lawyer at both trials, said the government was unable to prove the Hells Angels was a racketeering enterprise. Key prosecution witnesses, he said, seemed unreliable — especially those granted immunity to testify despite having committed violent crimes themselves.

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When Comey and Mueller Bungled the Anthrax Case
Comey and Mueller badly bungled the biggest case they ever handled. They botched the investigation of the 2001 anthrax letter attacks that took five lives and infected 17 other people, shut down the U.S. Capitol and Washington’s mail system, solidified the Bush administration’s antipathy for Iraq, and eventually, when the facts finally came out, made the FBI look feckless, incompetent, and easily manipulated by outside political pressure.

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Current media applause omits the fact that former FBI Director Mueller was the top official in charge of the Anthrax terror fiasco investigation into the 2001 murders, which targeted an innocent man (Steven Hatfill) whose lawsuit eventually forced the FBI to pay $5 million in compensation.

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Long before he became FBI Director, serious questions existed about Mueller’s role as Acting U.S. Attorney in Boston in effectively enabling decades of corruption and covering up of the FBI’s illicit deals with mobster Whitey Bulger and other “top echelon” informants who committed numerous murders and crimes. When the truth was finally uncovered through intrepid investigative reporting and persistent, honest judges, U.S. taxpayers footed a $100 million court award to the four men framed for murders ...

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Mueller’s FBI was also severely criticized by Department of Justice Inspector Generals finding the FBI overstepped the law improperly serving hundreds of thousands of “national security letters” to obtain private (and irrelevant) metadata on citizens, and for infiltrating nonviolent anti-war groups under the guise of investigating “terrorism.”

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btw, do you not know how to use google?

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Now, show us the successes.

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Robert Mueller | Facts & Biography | Britannica.com
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Robert-Mueller
Aug 22, 2018 - His achievements culminated in his appointment, in September 2001, as director of the FBI. Just one week later, Mueller was catapulted to the ...
Who's been charged by Mueller in the Russia probe so far? | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/politics/.../whos-been-charged-by-mueller-in-russia-pr
obe-so-far.ht...
3 days ago - Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election is ongoing – and secret. So far, four former Trump campaign associates – Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Richard Gates and George Papadopoulos – have been charged, though none of ...
Robert Mueller's Most Important Accomplishment | The New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/article/148429/robert-muellers-important-accom
plishment
May 16, 2018 - Thursday marks a year since Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel to oversee the Russia investigation, and in that time I've written ...
7 things to know about Robert Mueller, special counsel for Russia probe
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/...mueller.../101
811990/
May 17, 2017 - WASHINGTON – Robert S. Mueller III, the former FBI director tapped by the Justice Department on Wednesday to be a special counsel ...
Most Americans do not know about the successes of Mueller probe ...
https://equaljusticesociety.org/.../most-americans-do-not-know-about-t
he-successes-of-...
Jun 11, 2018 - Trump, Giuliani, Hannity, and Fox News are pushing the lie that the Mueller probe is a witchhunt that has come up with nothing. Recent polling ...
A summary of the fruit of the Mueller investigation, to date - The ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../a-summary-of-the-fruit-of-the-muell
er-investigation...
Jul 13, 2018 - There are 187 active charges and guilty pleas targeting 32 people and three businesses.
Robert Mueller's Pace Measures Up With Best Prosecutors 'In Modern ...
https://www.npr.org/.../robert-muellers-pace-measures-up-with-best-pro
secutors-in-mod...
Mar 5, 2018 - Then-FBI Director Robert Mueller testifies during a hearing before the ... Katy Harriger said measuring Mueller's success will be a challenge.
In His 9 Months On The Job, Special Counsel Robert Mueller Has ...
https://www.npr.org/.../in-his-9-months-on-the-job-special-counsel-rob
ert-mueller-has-c...
Mar 1, 2018 - Special counsel Robert Mueller has led the legal investigation into Russian ... She says measuring Mueller's success will be a challenge.
8 indisputable facts about the Russia investigation - CNNPolitics
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/russia-investigation-facts/ind
ex.html
Feb 16, 2018 - Friday's news that special counsel Robert Mueller had announced ... as a massive success and will almost certainly try to meddle in the 2018 ...
As he investigates Trump's aides, Robert Mueller's record shows ...
www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-mueller-record-20171122-story.html
Nov 22, 2017 - When he was named special counsel in May, Robert S. Mueller III was hailed as the ideal lawman — deeply experienced, strait-laced and ...

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The only thing of note in the Britannica entry is that Mueller 'led the prosecution' of the Lockerbie bombing ... but did not secure a conviction. No, the Scots did that. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Robert-Mueller


Robert Mueller's Most Important Accomplishment | The New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/article/148429/robert-muellers-important-accom
plishment
May 16, 2018 - Thursday marks a year since Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel to oversee the Russia investigation, and in that time I've written ...

His prosecutor Weissman had multiple convictions overturned in the Enron case
https://www.worldtribune.com/muellers-top-prosecutor-promoted-despite-
multiple-overturned-convictions-in-enron-case/

I'm not finding any history of merit on page 1, except his promotions.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Somebody please keep track of this thread and revive it when nothing comes of it. I'd hate for it to disappear like all the other over-hyped non-events that got whipped into a weightless froth.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort's cooperation deal with Robert Mueller's special counsel investigation will likely lead to more charges, according to former U.S. attorney Preet Bharara.

"Given how late in the game Mueller was prepared to bargain, more people will almost certainly be charged based on Manafort info," Bharara tweeted on Friday. Bharara previously served as a U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York from 2009 to 2017. He was fired by Trump just three months after he entered the Oval Office.

Bharara also said that Mueller probably already has all of Manafort's information, stating that typically prosecutors "get the information before you offer the agreement."



Preet Bharara
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@PreetBharara
· Sep 14, 2018
Replying to @PreetBharara
Mueller likely already has all of Manafort’s information. You get the information before you offer the agreement.


Preet Bharara
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@PreetBharara
Given how late in the game Mueller was prepared to bargain, more people will almost certainly be charged based on Manafort info.



Manafort, Trump's former top confidant, pleaded guilty to several federal crimes in a D.C. federal court on Friday. The charges include conspiring to defraud the United States and conspiring to obstruct justice due to witness tampering. The confessions of guilt come after Manafort had proclaimed his innocence for months.


In August, Manafort was found guilty by a grand jury on eight counts of bank and tax fraud charges. The 69-year-old faces a prison sentence of almost 20 years, though his sentencing has now been placed on hold.

Manafort is the first person to be brought to trial as a result of Mueller's special counsel investigation into Russian election meddling.

Trump at the time had expressed his sympathy for his former campaign chairman, tweeting that he felt "very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family." After the guilty verdict was reached Trump told reporters that Manafort was a "brave man."

Manafort
Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort departs from U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. on February 28. Manafort's recent cooperation deal with Robert Mueller will likely lead to more charges, former U.S. attorney Preet Bharara said.


But now the White House is on the defensive. Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that Manafort's cooperation deal "had absolutely nothing to do with the President or his victorious 2016 Presidential campaign. It is totally unrelated."

Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani also made a similar statement. "Once again an investigation has concluded with a plea having nothing to do with President Trump or the Trump campaign. The reason: the President did nothing wrong," Giuliani said.

The president has pressured Mueller to end the investigation before the midterm elections this November.

But Bharara says that the probe is unlikely to end anytime soon, calling it a "“slow and steady juggernaut."

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Well, here we are. Does anyone want to intelligently discuss the elephant in the room?

http://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort-cooperation-mueller-likely-lead-
more-charges-1122668

I guess people missed this little news nugget.


SGG

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I would love to see Manafort pardoned before the election. That might get a few voters who lean toward Republican to think about what is going on inside Trump’s head. They might conclude that the pardon is more about saving Trump than about saving Manafort.

I also would love Trump to fire Robert Mueller, Rod Rosenstein, and Jeff Sessions before the election. That would get a few voters thinking it is not about saving money wasted on a witch hunt, but about Trump. I am pretty sure Trump is smart enough to wait until after the election. Or even smarter to not do it ever and continue to warm the seat in the Oval office. It is the greatest job he has had, and the easiest. No matter what mistakes he makes, he cannot go bankrupt. And he can always pardon himself.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Well, here we are. Does anyone want to intelligently discuss the elephant in the room?

http://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort-cooperation-mueller-likely-lead-
more-charges-1122668

I guess people missed this little news nugget.


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Didn't miss it SGG, its in the countdown thread. Before Mueller would make this deal Manafort would have had to tell him what he had to offer. Could be a bomb shell.

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Yup. This might just be the needle in the haystack.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I would love to see Manafort pardoned before the election. That might get a few voters who lean toward Republican to think about what is going on inside Trump’s head. They might conclude that the pardon is more about saving Trump than about saving Manafort.

I also would love Trump to fire Robert Mueller, Rod Rosenstein, and Jeff Sessions before the election. That would get a few voters thinking it is not about saving money wasted on a witch hunt, but about Trump. I am pretty sure Trump is smart enough to wait until after the election. Or even smarter to not do it ever and continue to warm the seat in the Oval office. It is the greatest job he has had, and the easiest. No matter what mistakes he makes, he cannot go bankrupt. And he can always pardon himself.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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A pardon is useless. If Trump did it the states where the crimes were committed would file charges. Trump can't touch that. He can only pardon them from Federal prosecution. Manaforts lawyers would fight that but the states would win out.

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Hey SGG - no, I definitely didn't miss it! I'm just at that point where I feel like MOST of us, certainly the people I respect here and elsewhere, know what's happened. We know he's freaking guilty as sh*t, and as we're seeing, the people he's surrounded himself with are mostly criminals. So for me now, it's just waiting to see how it plays out. It doesn't matter what anyone here or on Fux, or CNN say anymore - I feel like most of us know where this needs to go, just "will it?" So I'm watching but I'm sitting back mostly waiting for the day they pull his fat arse and fake wife out of the WH so I can put up my new American flag I have stashed (never flown one on my house before). I imagine I will feel more patriotic on that day than at any other time. I will definitely post on that day!

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Well, here we are. Does anyone want to intelligently discuss the elephant in the room?

http://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort-cooperation-mueller-likely-lead-
more-charges-1122668

I guess people missed this little news nugget.

SGG

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You manage to find the dumbest and most forgetful elephants in the World.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Manafort had an equally paltry amount of information about the so-called "Russian collusion" either, probably because there wasn't any.

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Somebody please keep track of this thread and revive it when nothing comes of it. I'd hate for it to disappear like all the other over-hyped non-events that got whipped into a weightless froth.

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Somebody please keep track of this thread and revive it when nothing comes of it. I'd hate for it to disappear like all the other over-hyped non-events that got whipped into a weightless froth.

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You're funny! As a Russian troll, I doubt you're familiar with Mueller's history as a prosecutor.

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You're funny! As a Russian troll, I doubt you're familiar with Mueller's history as a prosecutor.

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just off the top of my search: mueller failures

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Mueller also is remembered for a headline-grabbing case that ended in failure.

In 1979, the government lodged then-novel racketeering charges against 33 members of the Hells Angels motorcycle club. The indictments alleged bombings and murders as well as the manufacture and sale of illegal drugs. The defendants and their supporters were so feared that bulletproof glass was installed in court to shield the judge.

The first trial, of 18 defendants, ended with only five convictions. All were overturned on appeal.

Mueller, who led the U.S. attorney’s special prosecutions unit, then took over the case. He dropped many of the charges, including those against Ralph “Sonny” Barger, leader of the club’s Oakland chapter, whose charismatic testimony had dominated the first trial.

Mueller led a team of four prosecutors in court when the second trial, with 11 defendants, began in October 1980. But after four months, the jury said it was deadlocked, and the judge declared a mistrial. Mueller decided not to ask for a retrial.

Richard B. Mazer, a defense lawyer at both trials, said the government was unable to prove the Hells Angels was a racketeering enterprise. Key prosecution witnesses, he said, seemed unreliable — especially those granted immunity to testify despite having committed violent crimes themselves.

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When Comey and Mueller Bungled the Anthrax Case
Comey and Mueller badly bungled the biggest case they ever handled. They botched the investigation of the 2001 anthrax letter attacks that took five lives and infected 17 other people, shut down the U.S. Capitol and Washington’s mail system, solidified the Bush administration’s antipathy for Iraq, and eventually, when the facts finally came out, made the FBI look feckless, incompetent, and easily manipulated by outside political pressure.

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Current media applause omits the fact that former FBI Director Mueller was the top official in charge of the Anthrax terror fiasco investigation into the 2001 murders, which targeted an innocent man (Steven Hatfill) whose lawsuit eventually forced the FBI to pay $5 million in compensation.

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Long before he became FBI Director, serious questions existed about Mueller’s role as Acting U.S. Attorney in Boston in effectively enabling decades of corruption and covering up of the FBI’s illicit deals with mobster Whitey Bulger and other “top echelon” informants who committed numerous murders and crimes. When the truth was finally uncovered through intrepid investigative reporting and persistent, honest judges, U.S. taxpayers footed a $100 million court award to the four men framed for murders ...

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Mueller’s FBI was also severely criticized by Department of Justice Inspector Generals finding the FBI overstepped the law improperly serving hundreds of thousands of “national security letters” to obtain private (and irrelevant) metadata on citizens, and for infiltrating nonviolent anti-war groups under the guise of investigating “terrorism.”

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The only thing of note in the Britannica entry is that Mueller 'led the prosecution' of the Lockerbie bombing ... but did not secure a conviction. No, the Scots did that.

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I was really planning to let this thread fall into obscurity, like all of it's duplicates.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

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I wouldn't be surprised if Manafort had an equally paltry amount of information about the so-called "Russian collusion" either, probably because there wasn't any.

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My response to Jewels goes double for you Siggy. I could always count on you to contribute sober and meaningful commentary, and the above is a prime example.

SGG

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I wouldn't be surprised if Manafort had an equally paltry amount of information about the so-called "Russian collusion" either, probably because there wasn't any. - SIGNY

My response to Jewels goes double for you Siggy. I could always count on you to contribute sober and meaningful commentary, and the above is a prime example.- SGG

Back on your meds again?- JSF

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/15/mentally-destroyed-trump-is-ho
led-up-watching-fox-news-and-tweeting-about-obama.html

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What EXACTLY do you predict? I'm just curious to see if even you know.

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What EXACTLY do you predict? I'm just curious to see if even you know. - KIKI

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The only thing of note in the Britannica entry is that Mueller 'led the prosecution' of the Lockerbie bombing ... but did not secure a conviction. No, the Scots did that.

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Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial

The Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial began on 3 May 2000, 11 years, 4 months and 13 days after the destruction of Pan Am Flight 103 on 21 December 1988. The 36-week trial took place at a specially convened Scottish Court in the Netherlands set up under Scots law and held at a disused United States Air Force base called Camp Zeist near Utrecht.

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"I don't know what THUGR predicts, but I CAN tell you that he keeps making clock noises. Is he like that broken clock that's right only twice a day?" - Signym

"THUGGER You keep posting tick tock as if you think something will happen in the future. What EXACTLY do you predict? I'm just curious to see if even you know." - 1kiki

"Tick Tock!!! Russia!!!" - 6ixStringJack
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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