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The first source of the New Yorker bombshell wasn’t Deborah Ramirez. It was Yale alumni.
The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer said she first saw Yale University alumni emails about Brett Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct in July.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/1789574
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"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."

LOL so much for that "hit job by Dems" narrative.

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Soyboy can kiss my ass.

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Likely that Trump picked Kav for hiz distraction potential. So wuts really going on?

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But I can't, for the life of me, figure out why. Why would these women submit themselves to that type of scrutiny? Death threats and the like.- SGG

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In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it.

These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.

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I give you SIGGY's smear campaign littered with unsubstantiated claims and maybes:

"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please-GSTRING

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"NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party"- SIGNY
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one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all" SIGNY
wow! One whole person - and why was any one asking someone who says they weren't there? How'd their name even come up? - Cites. - GSTRING

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"and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question." - SIGNY
There you have it! And we should trust that? - GSTRING

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Never figured you to be such a dutiful servant of Fux and the GOP.

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"One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker." - SIGNY
Bravo young Trump student! You've adopted Trump's childish name calling to try and undermine respect! So weak of you! And I love how you leave a back door for your accusation that she's a binge drinker/slut/whore/alkie - at least that's what it sounds like you're doing to me. - GSTRING

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"According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ... In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it."

- Are you suggesting that trying to rape her was just fine because she drank? Didn't think so. Have you ever been really drunk? I have, in college and I remembered the big stuff. Some of how I got where maybe not so much, but bad behavior or fights - those stand out. Some things like almost being raped - you won't forget.= GSTRING

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These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.- via SIGNY

yes they are. That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.- GSTRING

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The second person- RAMIREZ - admits to having drunk to the point of nearly blacking out, and is ALSO uncertain about her memories including whether or not it was Kavanaugh at the party; in fact, it took her six days to piece together enough fragments of a memory to create a story. The NYT interviewed DOZENS of people without finding any corroboration before killing the story.- SIGNY

- Cites, cites, cites - you could just be repeating a Fox and Friends show.- GSTRING

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"As I said before, I believe that Ford believes that she's telling the truth. I assume that Ramirez thinks that she's telling the truth too. They might even feel that they're doing their civic duty by coming forward with important information. I don't think either one is lying, but they could be MISTAKEN. That's why it's important to get corroborating testimony, which- so far, has failed to materialize. - SIGNY

Yup - hello FBI investigation- GSTRING

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"It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible. - SIGNY

Everyone?

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People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you. - GSTRING

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But I want to hear it all, both sides.- GSTRING

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"At this point, there's exculpatory evidence in Ford's allegations (Kavanaugh was out of town) and no corroborating evidence for Ramirez' allegations, and without further solid evidence in either direction there simply isn't enough available for me to make up my mind. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty."- SIGNY

Gee, big surprise.- GSTRING

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I give you SIGGY's smear campaign littered with unsubstantiated claims and maybes:

Originally posted by SIGNYM in quotes:
"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened." > Cites please

"The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened." > Cites please

"NONE of any of the other people there recall any such party" > Cites please

"one person denies knowing Kavanaugh at all" - wow! One whole person - and why was any one asking someone who says they weren't there? How'd their name even come up? Cites.

"and Kavanaugh's personal notes from the time indicate that he was out of town for the summer in question." - there you have it! And we should trust that?

Never figured you to be such a dutiful servant of Fux and the GOP.

SIGGY: "One thing that hasn't been addressed in the M$M, as far as I know, was whether "Chrissy" was a habitual drinker."

Bravo young Trump student! You've adopted Trump's childish name calling to try and undermine respect! So weak of you! And I love how you leave a back door for your accusation that she's a binge drinker/slut/whore/alkie - at least that's what it sounds like you're doing to me.


SIGGY: "According to THIS website, which claims to be posting HER yearbook, she was ... In the pages below, you will see multiple photos and references to binge drinking and the accompanying joy of not being able to remember any of it."

- Are you suggesting that trying to rape her was just fine because she drank? Didn't think so. Have you ever been really drunk? I have, in college and I remembered the big stuff. Some of how I got where maybe not so much, but bad behavior or fights - those stand out. Some things like almost being raped - you won't forget.

SIGGY - These yearbooks are, therefore, relevant to the national investigation now being conducted in the media, in homes, and in the halls of Congress. And they should not have been scrubbed. If Brett Kavanaugh’s yearbooks are fair game, so are these.

- yes they are. That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.


Siggy: "The second person- RAMIREZ - admits to having drunk to the point of nearly blacking out, and is ALSO uncertain about her memories including whether or not it was Kavanaugh at the party; in fact, it took her six days to piece together enough fragments of a memory to create a story. The NYT interviewed DOZENS of people without finding any corroboration before killing the story."

- Cites, cites, cites - you could just be repeating a Fox and Friends show.

Siggy - "As I said before, I believe that Ford believes that she's telling the truth. I assume that Ramirez thinks that she's telling the truth too. They might even feel that they're doing their civic duty by coming forward with important information. I don't think either one is lying, but they could be MISTAKEN. That's why it's important to get corroborating testimony, which- so far, has failed to materialize.

Yup - hello FBI investigation

Siggy - "It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible. "

Everyone? People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you.

But I want to hear it all, both sides.

Siggy - "At this point, there's exculpatory evidence in Ford's allegations (Kavanaugh was out of town) and no corroborating evidence for Ramirez' allegations, and without further solid evidence in either direction there simply isn't enough available for me to make up my mind. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty."

Considering Scalia's seat was open for over 400 days and just how important the seat is and how long it stays filled and how much of a lying sack this president is and how guilty of near treason offenses I believe he is and how he most definitely sees Kavanaugh as his get out of jail free card, I think we should have an FBI investigation at the very least.

Hey - have you seen those new accusations coming against Kavanaugh??? Interesting times!

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AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please-GSTRING

Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.

Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
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Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well.

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Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.- GSTRING
Quote me where I said there should not be an investigation, because right now you're just LYING about my position.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is the NYT take on the Ramirez story
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christi
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Yup - hello FBI investigation- GSTRING

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So, show me where I said there shouldn't be one.

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"It's entirely possible that everyone else was so drunk that nobody really remembers what happened either, or that everyone now in current responsible positions doesn't want to admit to attending drunken college or (worse) drunken high school parties. But unlike Bill Cosby's history of rape, what happened with these women allegedly happened IN PUBLIC. There should be SOME corroboration of the events possible. - SIGNY
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Everyone present at those two parties. You know what I meant, don't be a dick.

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People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you. - GSTRING

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Well, I had something similar happen to me - not nearly as traumatic but definitely startling - and I remember with crystal clarity how old I was, where I was, how I got there, how I got home, and who else was there. The only thing that I can imagine that accounts for such hazy recollection BY THE VICTIMS is that they too, were drinking a lot. Maybe took a few hits on the bong? If we can call into question everyone else's memories of the occasion, we can call their into question too.

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But I want to hear it all, both sides.- GSTRING

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No, you only want to hear ONE side. That's your problem.

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Yes, it's one our quaint DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS that THUGR keeps harping about. And it's no surprise that it's something you don't believe in.

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You're so un-American, I'd think you were a Russian.

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Anyone else care the republicans are already saying it doesn't matter what the women say. That they plan on voting yes regarding Kavanaughs nomination.

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You're so Russian, I'd think you were a Russian.

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AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.- SIGNY

I am so sorry. I asked you to back up your claims with something that has been a simple forum practice for years, cites, poor you. You should know that you really don't get to whine if you don't provide cites.- GSTRING

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"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please -GSTRING

Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post

Those details are on the periphery of the event - she is very certain about what happened and who did it though.- GSTRING

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The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.

Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
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Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html

Wull, that sure seals it for me! If Brett's long time, close friends don't remember anything like this happening and they can also swear by their great friend's personal integrity and that he would never do anything like this, then I guess he didn't. < snarkasm > You gotta be joking. That's not enough. - GSTRING

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Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well. - SIGNY

Riiiiight - he's going to write: "Finally got Debbie drunk enough to stick my dick in her face! I'm a Yale bad ass!" Jesus Siggy, get a clue.- GSTRING

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Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.- SIGNY

Really, why to you disrespect her by calling her CHRISSY, all caps? You're like one of those prosecutors that tries to make women feel bad for reporting rape, make them less than some how. It's kind of disgusting, really.- GSTRING

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That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.- GSTRING
Quote me where I said there should not be an investigation, because right now you're just LYING about my position. -SIGNY
Show me where I said YOU said there shouldn't be an FBI investigation. Right, so I guess it was you who was lying.- GSTRING

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This is the NYT take on the Ramirez story
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christi
ne-blasey-ford-testify.html

Right - if someone does know they aren't going to stick their neck out or feign loss of memory especially considering how hot this is right now. But there's plenty of buzz in that article to raise suspicions:

"A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”"

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People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you. - GSTRING

Well, I had something similar happen to me - not nearly as traumatic but definitely startling - and I remember with crystal clarity how old I was, where I was, how I got there, how I got home, and who else was there. The only thing that I can imagine that accounts for such hazy recollection BY THE VICTIMS is that they too, were drinking a lot. Maybe took a few hits on the bong? If we can call into question everyone else's memories of the occasion, we can call their into question too.- SIGNY
Yup - absolutely agree. Are you going to get pissed again?- GSTRING

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But I want to hear it all, both sides.- GSTRING
No, you only want to hear ONE side. That's your problem. SIGNY
Wrong as usual. I want to hear it all just like I said. Lying's for chicken sh*ts and Ruskies. Especially since the Kavanaugh side is embarrassing themselves with almost every comment they make.- GSTRING

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Yes, it's one our quaint DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS that THUGR keeps harping about. And it's no surprise that it's something you don't believe in. - SIGNY
It was clear from the moment you called her Chrissy that you wouldn't believe anything she had to say. Like I said, no surprise.- GSTRING

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You're so un-American, I'd think you were a Russian.
You're so Russian, I'd think you were a Russian.

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Fourth Kavanaugh Accuser Comes Forward, Is Speaking to Authorities in Maryland: Report

The floodgates are opening.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/brett-kavanaugh-fourth-accu
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The only thing left is to guess how long it takes for his name to be withdrawn. I say it happens before the day is done because the republicans are hemorrhaging votes in the mid-terms as long as this continues.

This whole fiasco could cost them the senate. Women aren't going to trust the republicans to pick who fills the open Supreme Court seat. I hope it's to late to get a new nominee vetted until the elections.

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AND HERE WE HAVE GSTRING STICKING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND, as usual. There are too many cites to include them all, so I'll just link the M$M ones that I think GSTRING will find acceptable.- SIGNY

I am so sorry. I asked you to back up your claims with something that has been a simple forum practice for years, cites, poor you. You should know that you really don't get to whine if you don't provide cites.- GSTRING

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This has been all so widely reported across so many media outlets that asking me to provide cites is like asking me to show you that the sun rises in the east. If you had a reason for asking for all of these cites, ASIDE FROM wasting my time, I'd sure like to know what it was.

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"Both of these women sound incredibly confused about what happened. The first - FORD- doesn't remember where or (at first) even what year this event happened."" -SIGNY
Cites please -GSTRING

Ford says she doesn’t remember many details of the event, such as how she got home, the exact year it took place, or how the gathering was put together.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavan
augh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post

Those details are on the periphery of the event - she is very certain about what happened and who did it though.- GSTRING

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But if SO MANY OTHER details are wrong, how can we be sure that THAT point is correct? Memory is a slippery thing. As SECOND noted PEOPLE ARE EASILY HACKED, and memory is incredibly hackable, especially notable when eyewitnesses are questioned multiple times.

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The people at the party. according to Ford, were Kavanaugh, Judge, "PJ" Smyth, and Ford herself. Each one (except Ford) has denied that there ever was a party.

Former classmate of Kavanaugh's [Smyth] denies being at party in sexual assault allegation
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index
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Mark Judge tells Senate he 'has no memory of alleged' incident with Kavanaugh
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-all
egations-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html

Wull, that sure seals it for me! If Brett's long time, close friends don't remember anything like this happening and they can also swear by their great friend's personal integrity and that he would never do anything like this, then I guess he didn't. < snarkasm > You gotta be joking. That's not enough. - GSTRING

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It may have to be, because Kavanaugh doesn't have to prove his innocence; Bond has to demonstrate his guilt.

But OOC, since those are the only eyewitnesses available, what would be "enough" for you? Anything?

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Those notes were written AT THE TIME. Maybe Kavanaugh was an exceptionally devious teen who wrote up a false narrative just to provide himself with an alibi 36 years later? In any case, if he was at a specific place and time, HIS notes can be corroborated as well. - SIGNY

Riiiiight - he's going to write: "Finally got Debbie drunk enough to stick my dick in her face! I'm a Yale bad ass!" Jesus Siggy, get a clue.- GSTRING

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GSTRING, get a clue. It's one thing to stay silent on an event, it would be another entirely to write a whole fiction about how he was out of state, who he was with, what he did etc. just to cover up one event. And don't forget that whatever he wrote in his notes can also be cross-checked against other evidence.

So what happens to your conviction that Kavanaugh is guilty if his "alibi" turns out to be true?

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Well people are bringing up JUDGE'S drinking, so why not CHRISSY'S? It might account for her HAZY MEMORY.- SIGNY

Really, why to you disrespect her by calling her CHRISSY, all caps? You're like one of those prosecutors that tries to make women feel bad for reporting rape, make them less than some how. It's kind of disgusting, really.- GSTRING

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IF YOU HAD LOOKED AT THE YEARBOOK YOU WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS CALLED BACK THEN. Jeez, you're so fucking sensitive. I called her "Chrissy" to refer to her young yearbook self.

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That's what an FBI investigation would bring out so let's have it.- GSTRING
Quote me where I said there should not be an investigation, because right now you're just LYING about my position. -SIGNY
Show me where I said YOU said there shouldn't be an FBI investigation. Right, so I guess it was you who was lying.- GSTRING

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This is the NYT take on the Ramirez story
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christi
ne-blasey-ford-testify.html

Right - if someone does know they aren't going to stick their neck out or feign loss of memory especially considering how hot this is right now. But there's plenty of buzz in that article to raise suspicions:

"A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”"

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So basically that's called "hearsay" (i.e. gossip) ... someone told him, he didn't see it for himself. But he DOES bring up names of eyewitnesses, and they should be questioned.

God you're obtuse.

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People drank a lot and it was 30 years ago so memories are likely to be hard to bring back - all true. Unless you had those things happen to you. - GSTRING

Well, I had something similar happen to me - not nearly as traumatic but definitely startling - and I remember with crystal clarity how old I was, where I was, how I got there, how I got home, and who else was there. The only thing that I can imagine that accounts for such hazy recollection BY THE VICTIMS is that they too, were drinking a lot. Maybe took a few hits on the bong? If we can call into question everyone else's memories of the occasion, we can call their into question too.- SIGNY
Yup - absolutely agree. Are you going to get pissed again?- GSTRING

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Because there's that problem with "false memory". It's very hard to recover a hazy memory without warping it in some way, which is why we would have to rely on the memories of others as well. There are many psychology experiments about exposing a group of people to a staged crime (eg. a "robber" running into the lecture hall and stealing the professor's briefcase/tablet) ... fifty students will remember fifty different things. There will be some things that will be remembered more often (he had a plaid long sleeved shirt and a beard) which are likely to be correct.

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But I want to hear it all, both sides.- GSTRING
No, you only want to hear ONE side. That's your problem. SIGNY
Wrong as usual. I want to hear it all just like I said. Lying's for chicken sh*ts and Ruskies. Especially since the Kavanaugh side is embarrassing themselves with almost every comment they make.- GSTRING

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Yes, it's one our quaint DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS that THUGR keeps harping about. And it's no surprise that it's something you don't believe in. - SIGNY
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It was clear from the moment that you got unnecessarily huffy that your mind snapped shut. But despite your closed mind, it's STILL innocent until proven guilty.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
The first source of the New Yorker bombshell wasn’t Deborah Ramirez. It was Yale alumni.
The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer said she first saw Yale University alumni emails about Brett Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct in July.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/1789574
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"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."

LOL so much for that "hit job by Dems" narrative.

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"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So hang back and keep an open mind. Maybe something will turn up besides allegation. Remember: an "allegation" is an "accusation without proof". So far, all WE have are accusations; nobody else has corroborated those accusations even tho they've been asked. And EVEN IF Kavanaugh is guilty and somehow makes it on to the bench and evidence turns up later, he can always be impeached. So dial down the hysteria and let the process work. It takes time, it's slow and sometimes imperfect, but it's better than lynching someone on the basis of gossip.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Our nation is often split on when and whether to grant someone a second chance.

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Our nation is often split on when and whether to grant someone a second chance.

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In the case of Kavanaugh, we're not talking about "second chances" we're talking about FIRST chances: The chance not to be railroaded.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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No need to confirm him first then impeach later. Most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, but Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges.

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No need to confirm him first then impeach later. Most 35-year-old claims of assault would not be prosecuted, but Maryland has no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. Last week, the police chief in Montgomery County, where the alleged incident took place, said he would open an investigation if Ford pressed charges.

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Yes, I got that. But why did you frame this as a "second" chance? This quote seems not to have anything to do with that, unless you're referring to Ford having a "second" chance at a criminal investigation.

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Pity would be no more,
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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"Mayer said she and Farrow saw emails sent between Yale alums discussing the incident back in July, before Kavanaugh’s first accuser Christine Blasey Ford went public with her accusations of Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when the two were in high school."

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People were "discussing the incident"?
So what?
It's possible that people were saying ... "I heard a story but it's not true because Kavanaugh was out with me that night"
It's possible that people were saying ... "I was there and it's absolutely true"

You have no idea WHAT they were emailing each other, but on the basis that people were "discussing" something you take that a proof of guilt?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Here's an example of how that might work on you: We were discussing YOU the other night. A LOT of us were. Yanno, since SO MANY people were talking about you, you must have done something wrong. Maybe you should be locked up in a psych ward?
See how that works?
Not fair, is it?

a) We have no idea WHAT they were "discussing" and
b) Even if we did, it's "hearsay" ... gossip. Perhaps something to be followed up on, but not admissible in court.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What you and the rest of the douchebags here are displaying is called "RUSH TO JUDGMENT". Look it up.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

You people are ridiculous.

I'm glad that nobody in real life is as goofy as you are.

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Looks like their is going to be a third women coming forward. Oops...Michael Avenatti appears to be her lawyer. Do you ever get tired of looking like a moron Jack?

It's also looking as though the republicans knew of this shit for a while now and tried to run this nomination through before it could be stopped. Women must be besides themselves over this.

I feel as though this nomination is over.

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Originally posted by THG:
It should be said the third victim to come forward has signed an affidavit exposing herself to perjury charges. She knowingly did this. The ball is in the republicans court.

It's over...

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It should be said the third victim to come forward has signed an affidavit exposing herself to perjury charges. She knowingly did this. The ball is in the republicans court.

It's over...

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If there wasn't an election in November, the Senate Republicans would not care about a third victim. There could be thirty victims and those Senators would immediately confirm Kavanaugh. But voting before the election could reduce the number of votes for Republicans. The Senators are considering that versus displeasing their party's leader, Donald J Trump.

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I've heard it said that further moving the Supreme Court to the right is more important than losing a few election cycles. It would explain a move by the Republicans to confirm him despite the allegations. Their problem is that all republicans have to sign up for that. Including those who would surely lose their jobs over that.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Names especially, besides hers, Judge's, and Kavanaugh's. Names of victims. Names of suspects. Names of potential witnesses.

I'll be interested to see what happens.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Names especially, besides hers, Judge's, and Kavanaugh's. Names of victims. Names of suspects. Names of potential witnesses.

I'll be interested to see what happens.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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I'd be interested in seeing who, besides Kavanaugh, was on Trump's list of Supreme Court justices. There is nothing stopping Trump from withdrawing Kavanaugh and submitting another. Trump does not owe Kavanaugh a job, since he can return to his previous judgeship. That position is his, not the Supreme Court position.

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The problem is that if the republicans lose the senate then only someone down the middle of the road will get through and there's no legit way to vet a new pick before then.

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Originally posted by THG:

The problem is that if the republicans lose the senate then only someone down the middle of the road will get through and there's no legit way to vet a new pick before then.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Trump's press conference was the most bizarre Gish gallop I've ever seen.

It's frightening that such an idiot could ever be president.

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Yep and I have an observation. In a quarter to a third of his answers he contradicts himself. In the same sentence. I wish the press would track when he does this. It's proof he just rambles on without a clear understanding of what he's talking about.

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