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Is it curious that SGG lauds the advice from AUSA John Harris, that Ballot Harvesting is not legal in NC, but has no problem with it being the Law in CA?

Yes, the Democraps of CA have made Voting Fraud the Law in CA. Shockers.

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Deluded much?

sgg

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Translation to American English, please? Are you disputing some of the facts?

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Plain English: You make claims without verifiable proof. You say that California has a law that allows for a private citizen to collect and gather
absentee ballots. Is this your claim? Then prove it.

You know, it's unbelievable that you don't understand my comment/response is to your claim/accusation regarding California's voter laws. My response, in plain English, was directed at your claim. Pretty simple really! If such a law exists.

In other words: Is this a fact or your opinion?

P.S. Was anyone that ran for office in California ever suspected of hiring
ex-cons to "collect" absentee ballots for the poor unfortunate souls voting
in that state? Was there an investigation? Pray tell! Post it here!

SGG

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Thank you for your clarification. I did not know if you were disputing Truth and Fact (which you often do), and which one, or just ignoring the Facts I posted, or something else. I did not know you were unaware of CA Law regarding Ballot Harvesting. It has been discussed at length here in RWED, like when discussing the many cases and examples, practices, policies of Voter Fraud. I believe SIGs and/or kiki have been quite steamed about the topic.

One of the links I followed brought further mention of the CA Law, the link which detailed who John Harris was, what he specifically said, and which States his Opinion was true in.
A search for Ballot Harvesting California gave me many results.

In case you find algore's interwebs invention too befuddling, I will try to provide a linky when I get a chance. Unless somebody else beats me to it.

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Current California elections code states that a vote by mail voter who is “unable” to return their ballot may have a family or household member return it to the elections office [section 3017(a)(3)]. The ballot may not be returned by workers of a political committee or other organizations [section 3017(e)].

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What documents are needed for Proof of Citizenship?

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A notarized copy of your birth certificate, or your naturalization papers. Or your passport, which requires one of the two.

Now that visiting Canada requires a passport, I went to get passports for all of us including hubby, who is a naturalized citizen. I was born out of state, but all I had to do was request a notarized copy of my birth certificate from my home county, and pay a fee. It took a while, but it eventually came through the mail. Because I married, by birth certificate and my Social Security card don't match, but Social Security has a record of me requesting a name-change, so no problem there.

With hubby, it was a little different because the name on his Social Security card and naturalization papers weren't an exact match; I forget which way we resolved that ... I think we requested a name change on his Social Security card. With dear daughter, since she was born in CA it was faster getting a notarized copy of her birth certificate.

But we weren't in a hurry, and if the requirements are implemented far in advance of any election the only problem (for poor people) might be paying the fee for the birth certificate, which is where the political parties would come in: Since THEY have an interest in registering voters, let them use their war chests to help indigents pay for the necessary papers and straighten out any conflicts between their birth certificate names, their adult names (may be married), and their Social Security cards.

It seems that there should be a national database to weed out duplicate registrations. (Yanno, like Venezuela has.) A lot of illegals get fake IDs on the basis of stolen Social Security numbers; those Social Security cards are nothing but cheap cardboard and easy to fake. Social Security should go thru its own database looking for duplicate numbers with different names and different concurrent addresses which include dead people and people who have moved. or people using stolen SSNs.

Now, voter registrations also need to know what state, county, and city you live in for state, county, and city elections, and your status with regards to whether or not you're a felon (different states have different thresholds). THAT can be done with a utility bill, rental agreement etc. but is a real problem for people with no fixed address. I find that a much knottier problem to solve.



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No, what I'm saying is that no state requires PROOF of citizenship for voter registration. I think you even posted examples from the state of PA and NJ: All you need to do to register is attest and sign that you're eligible. It's on the honor system: No birth certificate or passport or naturalization papers are required in any state.

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It is a crime to procure a false registration or to furnish false information to the Board of Elections

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Okay, here it goes, my reply:

You had stated in another post that there's no PROOF of citizenship...by any state....

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No, what I'm saying is that no state requires PROOF of citizenship for voter registration. I think you even posted examples from the state of PA and NJ: All you need to do to register is attest and sign that you're eligible. It's on the honor system: No birth certificate or passport or naturalization papers are required in any state.

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But I found this:

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It is a crime to procure a false registration or to furnish false information to the Board of Elections

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- from NY State

In this state, at least, it IS a REQUIREMENT. I am attaching a copy of the form below:

http://www.pdffiller.com/jsfiller-desk10/?projectId=277603363&expI
d=4676&expBranch=1#57c3bfa06afb483c8b3844c4bbeb4313

At the bottom of the form there is an Affidavit, with a statement that the
signer attests that they meet all the requirements stated on the form. So
your claim has been disproven.

SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Okay, here it goes, my reply:

You had stated in another post that there's no PROOF of citizenship...by any state....

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No, what I'm saying is that no state requires PROOF of citizenship for voter registration. I think you even posted examples from the state of PA and NJ: All you need to do to register is attest and sign that you're eligible. It's on the honor system: No birth certificate or passport or naturalization papers are required in any state.

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It is a crime to procure a false registration or to furnish false information to the Board of Elections

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- from NY State

In this state, at least, it IS a REQUIREMENT. I am attaching a copy of the form below:

http://www.pdffiller.com/jsfiller-desk10/?projectId=277603363&expI
d=4676&expBranch=1#57c3bfa06afb483c8b3844c4bbeb4313

At the bottom of the form there is an Affidavit, with a statement that the
signer attests that they meet all the requirements stated on the form. So
your claim has been disproven.


SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Okay, here it goes, my reply:

You had stated in another post that there's no PROOF of citizenship...by any state....

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No, what I'm saying is that no state requires PROOF of citizenship for voter registration. I think you even posted examples from the state of PA and NJ: All you need to do to register is attest and sign that you're eligible. It's on the honor system: No birth certificate or passport or naturalization papers are required in any state.

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But I found this:

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It is a crime to procure a false registration or to furnish false information to the Board of Elections

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- from NY State

In this state, at least, it IS a REQUIREMENT. I am attaching a copy of the form below:

http://www.pdffiller.com/jsfiller-desk10/?projectId=277603363&expI
d=4676&expBranch=1#57c3bfa06afb483c8b3844c4bbeb4313

At the bottom of the form there is an Affidavit, with a statement that the
signer attests that they meet all the requirements stated on the form. So
your claim has been disproven.

SGG

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I stand corrected.

I looked further into the topic. You are right, there is NO Requirement to show Proof of Citizenship to register to vote. All that is needed is the aforementioned Affidavit attesting that one is a citizen.

I'm attaching an article regarding three states that have been blocked to require Proof of Citizenship for voters.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/10/493405211/court-bloc
ks-proof-of-citizenship-requirement-for-voters-in-3-states

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quoted for posterity.
Another turns toward the Light.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seriously, Marcos.

You couldn't even slaughter a trash can by setting it on fire.

What sad little soyboy arms and legs you have.

What sad tiny two digit IQ you have rolling around in that box of rocks you call a brain space. Can't even sleep on his side at night or the rocks will pour out of his ears.

What a tool.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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