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No prosecutor would indict if the case will go to a judge and jury who are relatives of the accused criminal. The judge and jury for Trump's trial will be Mitch McConnell and 53 Republican Senators. I know all of them, including Mitt Romney, would vote Trump to be innocent. Nancy Pelosi knows impeachment is a waste of time and it could actually do harm:

Absent public support for impeachment, and amid a strong economy, it would give the White House an opportunity to run the playbook Bill Clinton ran so successfully in the 1990s: Here’s Trump, focusing on economic growth, and there are the Democrats, focusing on their doomed vendetta against the president.

This is a strategy that would unite Republicans and split Democrats, and if Trump won reelection using it, then the harm to American democracy would be incalculable. Impeachment will backfire — strengthening Trump while weakening congressional Democrats’ ability to hold him accountable in the future. Far from protecting democracy and the rule of law, impeachment would undermine it.

"The problem with impeachment"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/19/18485862/mueller-report-trum
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Go ahead and impeach him, buddy.

It will be quite funny to see Trump break another record and become the first American President to be re-elected after impeachment (or at least a sad, failed attempt at one).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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The cleanest way to get rid of Trump is to let God hit him with a meteor. Or Trump chokes on a steak. Otherwise, Democrats ought to wait patiently for Trump to do something weird when they reveal he underpaid his taxes by $10 billion. Trump's tax fraud might prevent him from being reelected. But you never know with voters.

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The cleanest way to get rid of Trump is to let God hit him with a meteor. Or Trump chokes on a steak. Otherwise, Democrats ought to wait patiently for Trump to do something weird when they reveal he underpaid his taxes by $10 billion. Trump's tax fraud might prevent him from being reelected. But you never know with voters.

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I feel ya CC, but I'm with Second on this one. Look at Rappy, he really thinks Trump didn't do anything, and so will a lot of his base, most of them couldn't read between the lines to save their own lives. There are other battles coming I think.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I was on that side originally, and believed in the solid political logic behind it. But the mostly gutless Dems always seem to outwit themselves and hem and haw, and ultimately find ways to DO NOTHING. That's their thing and it's not a good thing. They talk a lot and end up doing nothing. So they'll strategize and guess (and it is a guess, no matter how much you feel you know) and hope to play the odds and wait, and basically give him a pass. "You're guilty but we're not confident enough to uphold the law just yet. But watch out! We'll get you next time!" And they shift to hopefully winning the election. With... whom? So Trump wins, and he gets another 4 years and outlasts the 5 year statute of limitations on obstruction. Trump wins again. That's a lot of winning for that pos. Face it - both ways are guesses. One way is more principled. Time for Dems to shake off their weasilie past and skewer the fugger - at least put it down on the record.

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I'd also like to see him dragged over the coals on live tv.

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Originally posted by rue:
You think he's charismatic? You've got strange tastes.

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What I would love to see is after he's out of office have a group of psych docs explain what is wrong with his behaviors and explain them simply so that dim people learn that charisma is NOT THE SAME THING AS COMPETENCE.
This country needs a straight up crash course in understanding human behavior so that this doesn't ever happen again.


Anyway, I have a good article on the subject of ramifications of impeaching Trump.
While it would feel righteous, it would ultimately prove fruitless and pointless...


https://www.historyextra.com/period/modern/history-impeachment-preside
nt-trump-nixon-clinton-explained/

Yet even if Trump were impeached by a Democratic-controlled House next year, his chances of being convicted and removed from office by the Senate would seem to be so low as to be virtually non-existent. Whatever happens in the mid-term elections, it is mathematically impossible for Democrats to gain a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Between 15 and 20 Republican senators would be needed to support the president’s removal from office, more than would have been necessary to convict Nixon had he not resigned first. Whatever they may think of Trump privately, Republican lawmakers have proved time and again that they will not take him on publicly.

Only if Trump’s popularity with Republican voters plummeted might that change, but why would that happen? All the evidence suggests that Trump’s supporters have no illusions about his character but want him to be their president anyway. Nixon, by contrast, had very low approval ratings by the time of his resignation, but that was in a less partisan age in which there was no equivalent of Fox News to provide the president’s supporters with an alternative narrative. Barring death, Trump seems likely to remain in office until at least the next election so long as he maintains the support of core Republican voters.

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Oh hell no, but his base does...

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Thanks for the article. I'm well aware of the math. I know going in %-wise, it's probably a lost cause. But... I still feel that even if the only benefit is in retrospect, "at least we took a stand and had the b@lls to take him to task - because it's what we're suppose to do and not necessarily the politically expedient thing to do - we can always be inspired by that." Small victory, but otherwise? I don't have any faith in the voting public or the sanctity of the voting booth.

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There is just so much to fix here. Trump is something that can't be.

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lol

That line item didn't get "the attention it deserves" because there are about 450 pages saying that he wasn't guilty of anything.

Oops.

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lol

That line item didn't get "the attention it deserves" because there are about 450 pages saying that he wasn't guilty of anything.

Oops.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
All of those tiny infractions from decades ago that they threw at others, but they couldn't find a single credible thing that Trump did wrong?

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It happens that Mueller clearly thinks Trump can be charged once he’s out of office

The special counsel makes his view plain in a single footnote.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-footnote-10
91-prosecute-trump-obstruction-post-presidency.html

In the report, it’s Footnote 1,091, which appears on Page 178.

The implication of both the passage and the subsequent footnote is clear: If Trump committed obstruction of justice, even through official actions, a prosecutor could charge him after his term has ended.

Further, impeachment would be no “substitute” for eventual criminal charges, and “Congress is not restricted to relying only on impeachment,” which is “a drastic and rarely invoked remedy.” This is pretty strong stuff, and it hasn’t received the attention it deserves.

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Her point is that it would never happen. Even Second knows that and has said it quite a bit in this thread and in others.

I happen to agree with her. The time to impeach is now. After two years of this shit show, not only will Trump be re-elected, but I'd predict that the house swings back the other way and they won't have the opportunity then.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I don't feel the need for further distraction from real issues. There are, in theory, some Elected folk in Congress who want to tackle some problems on behalf of their constituents, instead of soapboxing for their media.

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Damn the torpedos - full speed ahead. I'm all in - Impeach the lying f*cker now.
I thought Elizabeth Warren made a great case for doing so - stop thinking and hand wringing so much Dems, and do your job. Time to be agressive and uphold the constitution - give those GOP pinheads a taste of their own medicine and set the record for future presidents. No one is above the law - we're not a dictatorship. Time to make a stand and take action.

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Damn the torpedos - full speed ahead. I'm all in - Impeach the lying f*cker now.
I thought Elizabeth Warren made a great case for doing so - stop thinking and hand wringing so much Dems, and do your job. Time to be agressive and uphold the constitution - give those GOP pinheads a taste of their own medicine and set the record for future presidents. No one is above the law - we're not a dictatorship. Time to make a stand and take action.

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I wholeheartedly agree. Warren made a dead-on comment. Also, believe it or not, so did Hillary in her Op-Ed. She has called for a Watergate-type public investigation by Congress, whereby public hearings will present Mueller's findings, but also fill in the gaps of the road map to impeachment. Make these motherfuckers sweat on the witness stand, and it will show the American public
what Mueller laid out in his report.

But for the DOJ edict of not indicting a sitting president, that orange ugly motherfucker would be wearing an orange jumpsuit to match his skin.

That's what was in the Report. Anybody says different is a fucking mindless sheep.

Laurence Tribe, legal scholar and Constitutional law professor:

"He is in contempt of Congress, in contempt of the Rule of Law and in contempt of the American people."

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"He is in contempt of Congress, in contempt of the Rule of Law and in contempt of the American people."

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What's your point? I can show you a lot of videos on YouTube with a bunch of low double digit morons who voted for Hillary too.

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What's your point? I can show you a lot of videos on YouTube with a bunch of low double digit morons who voted for Hillary too.

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One post and you already forgot the point?? Wow, that's a record!


I would love to see a video of one person of ANY group dumber than the guy talking about Obama and 9/11. Go find one.

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The oath of office of the President of the United States is the oath or affirmation that the President of the United States takes after assuming the presidency but before carrying out any duties of the office. The wording of the oath is specified in Article II, Section One, Clause 8, of the United States Constitution.

This clause is one of two oath or affirmation clauses, but it alone actually specifies the words that must be spoken. The other, Article VI, Clause 3, simply requires the persons specified therein to "be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution." The presidential oath, on the other hand, requires much more than this general oath of allegiance and fidelity. This clause enjoins the new president to swear or affirm that he "will to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."[1]

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Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."[2]

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Our Constitution has been laughed at, stepped on and shredded by this so-called President, his administration, his Czars and his external agencies. Donnie took, “I, Donald J. Trump, due solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office of which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

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Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: — "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

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"Live Free or Die" is the official motto of the U.S. state of New Hampshire, adopted by the state in 1945.[1] It is possibly the best-known of all state mottos, partly because it conveys an assertive independence historically found in American political philosophy and partly because of its contrast to the milder sentiments found in other state mottos.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
IMPEACH!

Let's do this already.

What are you waiting for?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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No prosecutor would indict if the case will go to a judge and jury who are relatives of the accused criminal. The judge and jury for Trump's trial will be Mitch McConnell and 53 Republican Senators. I know all of them, including Mitt Romney, would vote Trump to be innocent. Nancy Pelosi knows impeachment is a waste of time and it could actually do harm:

Absent public support for impeachment, and amid a strong economy, it would give the White House an opportunity to run the playbook Bill Clinton ran so successfully in the 1990s: Here’s Trump, focusing on economic growth, and there are the Democrats, focusing on their doomed vendetta against the president.

This is a strategy that would unite Republicans and split Democrats, and if Trump won reelection using it, then the harm to American democracy would be incalculable. Impeachment will backfire — strengthening Trump while weakening congressional Democrats’ ability to hold him accountable in the future. Far from protecting democracy and the rule of law, impeachment would undermine it.

"The problem with impeachment"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/19/18485862/mueller-report-trum
p-impeachment-obstruction

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I was on that side originally, and believed in the solid political logic behind it. But the mostly gutless Dems always seem to outwit themselves and hem and haw, and ultimately find ways to DO NOTHING. That's their thing and it's not a good thing. They talk a lot and end up doing nothing. So they'll strategize and guess (and it is a guess, no matter how much you feel you know) and hope to play the odds and wait, and basically give him a pass. "You're guilty but we're not confident enough to uphold the law just yet. But watch out! We'll get you next time!" And they shift to hopefully winning the election. With... whom? So Trump wins, and he gets another 4 years and outlasts the 5 year statute of limitations on obstruction. Trump wins again. That's a lot of winning for that pos. Face it - both ways are guesses. One way is more principled. Time for Dems to shake off their weasilie past and skewer the fugger - at least put it down on the record.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Good call, that's what I say...otherwise every president from here on out will pull this same bullshit; then lets see how many of you will be crying like stuck pigs when a Dem says "fuck it, Trump did it, why can't I."

Really, it doesn't even have to be a Dem. Anybody who pulls this bullshit and
does whatever he wants will be within "his" rights to fuck the country without
lubricant or permission. In other words he will be a king. Just like this fucker. Again, the sheep will follow regardless. They fall for his bullshit.
And don't give me that shit about all politicians do it. The president doesn't get to do whatever he wants.

Remember, the country is governed by the Constitution. It's what got this prick elected. It's what also got the Senate and Congress elected. It's partly
why we are where we are. In other words there's more to it than the 2d Amendment. Them's the rules! So fuck him if he thinks they don't apply to him.
Him crying that it was an attempted coup is fucking ludicrous. It's the fucking law nimrod. The motherfucking Constitution, look it up idiots.

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The oath of office of the President of the United States is the oath or affirmation that the President of the United States takes after assuming the presidency but before carrying out any duties of the office. The wording of the oath is specified in Article II, Section One, Clause 8, of the United States Constitution.

This clause is one of two oath or affirmation clauses, but it alone actually specifies the words that must be spoken. The other, Article VI, Clause 3, simply requires the persons specified therein to "be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution." The presidential oath, on the other hand, requires much more than this general oath of allegiance and fidelity. This clause enjoins the new president to swear or affirm that he "will to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."[1]

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Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."[2]

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Our Constitution has been laughed at, stepped on and shredded by this so-called President, his administration, his Czars and his external agencies. Donnie took, “I, Donald J. Trump, due solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office of which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

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http://clashdaily.com/2012/10/president-shredding-his-oath-to-uphold-t
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Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: — "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

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ARTICLE II, SECTION 1, CLAUSE 8

http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/85/oath-of-o
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For those who want a dictator, keep supporting Trump. Me!?, I will fight him tooth and nail until my ashes are scattered to the four winds.

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"Live Free or Die" is the official motto of the U.S. state of New Hampshire, adopted by the state in 1945.[1] It is possibly the best-known of all state mottos, partly because it conveys an assertive independence historically found in American political philosophy and partly because of its contrast to the milder sentiments found in other state mottos.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
IMPEACH!

Let's do this already.

What are you waiting for?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by second:
Overall, a majority of Americans oppose impeachment with only 37 percent saying they favor starting the process. The number of Americans calling for impeachment has decreased with time. In August 2018, 49 percent of respondents believed President Trump should be impeached.

The majority of voters will respond to impeachment and its failure in the Senate. If Congressional Democrats vote for impeachment, in a kamikaze mission doomed to fail when it is blasted out of the sky by Republican Senators, they are also voting themselves out of office in 2020.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/27/18519806/poll-americans-trum
p-lied-impeachment-mueller-report

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Trump did WHAT?

He sucked Putin's dick...didn't you hear the latest. Confirmed by ZeroHedge

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