' The truth - We will go extinct, very soon.' by reaverfan

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Sunday, June 2, 2019 11:32 AM

Climate Undermined by Lobbying
First-of-its-kind study quantifies the effects of political lobbying on likelihood of climate policy enactment
https://www.news.ucsb.edu/2019/019485/climate-undermined-lobbying

Money, consumerism and capitalism have taken us on a rollercoaster of prosperity ending in a meat grinder at the end. We are on the last downhill of the ride and we can see the teeth coming with absolutely nothing we can do to stop it.

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Sunday, June 2, 2019 11:39 AM

India heatwave temperatures pass 50 degrees Celsius
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/india-heatwave-temperatures-
pass-50-degrees-celsius-11587904

In May 2016, Phalodi in Rajasthan recorded India's highest-ever temperature of 51 degrees Celsius. (That's 123.8 Fahrenheit)

The Indian Meteorological Department said severe heat could stay for up to a week across Rajasthan, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Punjab, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh states.

Several deaths from heatstroke have already been recorded.

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Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

And people wonder if global climate change is real??

All of these historic records falling like dominoes ... driest ever, hottest ever, wettest ever ... even coldest ever ... are part of a predicted pattern of disruption due to global warming.

There was some noise a few months ago about how the sun was going into a "Maunder minimum" and how that would lead to global cooling, which was supposedly "the scientists'" latest concern.
Uh huh.
Some people took the USA's cold winter and delayed spring as a sign that the cooling had begun, without noticing that OTHER parts of the earth were frying!

So about that supposed global cooling ... I'll betcha dollars to donuts that the average global temperature keeps on going up. Between methane release from previously forzen soils and CO2 release from warming ocean we started something unstoppable ... like a boulder just beginning to roll downhill. We need to not only severly limit our CO2 emissions and work with a will on sequestering carbon in our soils, wetlands and forests, we need to start adapting to our new environment - providing north-south "pathways" for species migrations, managing our forests to reduce wildfires, preserving and expanding coastal wetlands to reduce storm surges etc.

Of course, we will never do that. It's like The Onion news ... we must have a death-wish.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Sunday, June 2, 2019 2:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
we must have a death-wish.

Nah. We just have way too many people.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:35 PM

Our problems are much bigger than just overpopulation.

Scientists discover an entirely new reason for methane venting from the Arctic Shelf: underwater permafrost gas hydrates
https://www.skoltech.ru/en/2019/05/scientists-discover-an-entirely-new
-reason-for-methane-venting-from-the-arctic-shelf/?fbclid=IwAR2_70fabNWq3ZcIxn1ZZCj5GxBSEXNq03cG9c6UCuk5b-h17rHtAorKotY

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Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And people wonder if global climate change is real??

We have a president who calls it a Chinese hoax, and appoints climate deniers to positions heading government agencies.

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Sunday, June 2, 2019 7:31 PM

Climate change: ‘We’ve created a civilisation hell bent on destroying itself – I’m terrified’, writes Earth scientist
https://theconversation.com/climate-change-weve-created-a-civilisation
-hell-bent-on-destroying-itself-im-terrified-writes-earth-scientist-113055

I wasn’t expecting much when I straight out asked him how much warming he thought we were going to achieve before we manage to make the required cuts to greenhouse gas emissions.

“Oh, I think we’re heading towards 3°C at least,” he said.

“Ah, yes, but heading towards,” I countered: “We won’t get to 3°C, will we?” (Because whatever you think of the 2°C threshold that separates “safe” from “dangerous” climate change, 3°C is well beyond what much of the world could bear.)

“Not so,” he replied.

That wasn’t his hedge, but his best assessment of where, after all the political, economic, and social wrangling we will end up.

“But what about the many millions of people directly threatened,” I went on. “Those living in low-lying nations, the farmers affected by abrupt changes in weather, kids exposed to new diseases?”

He gave a sigh, paused for a few seconds, and a sad, resigned smile crept over his face. He then simply said: “They will die.”

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Sunday, June 2, 2019 7:48 PM

Ohio lawmakers pass bill to cut renewable requirement, help nuclear and coal
Critics say the bill unnecessarily bails out nuclear, coal owner FirstEnergy Solutions.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/05/ohio-house-passes-bill-tha
t-would-allow-consumer-funded-nuclear-and-coal-subsidies/

Editorial: Utilities love the free market, until they don’t
A deregulation fan is calling for regulation's return after it bet on coal.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/editorial-utilities-love-the-f
ree-market-until-they-dont/

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Monday, June 3, 2019 2:03 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The good news is we'll probably nuke ourselves before global warming really gets going.

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Monday, June 3, 2019 8:31 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The good news is we'll probably nuke ourselves before global warming really gets going.

We already nuked ourselves: As of 1993, worldwide, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted with a total yield of 545 megaton (Mt): 217 Mt from fission and 328 Mt from fusion, while the estimated number of underground nuclear tests conducted in the period from 1957 to 1992 is 1,352 explosions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests

The key idea for not nuking yourself to death is to stop. It is the same key for global warming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial Republicans are very prominent deniers, for some reason.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 3, 2019 10:01 AM

'So much land under so much water': extreme flooding is drowning parts of the midwest
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/03/so-much-land-under-so-
much-water-extreme-flooding-is-drowning-parts-of-the-midwest

Weeks of flooding is drowning large parts of the midwest, wrecking communities & turning farms into inland seas. On top of that, a near record number of tornadoes has whipped through the region, smashing homes & claiming nearly 40 lives so far. - the wettest 12 months in the US since records began.

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Monday, June 3, 2019 11:53 AM

Yeah. I've had just about enough of the rain myself.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 1:44 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

David Wallace-Wells’s new book, The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming, reads at once as an innovative look at manmade climate change and also as old news. As Wallace-Wells himself states at points, not much in his book is new. Even the scariest near-term predictions and assessments, like the possibility that “should the planet warm 3.7 degrees . . . climate change damages could total $551 trillion—nearly twice as much wealth as exists in the world today,” or that, at the upper end of temperature predictions for the end of this century, “humans at the equator and in the tropics would not be able to move around without dying,” have been accessible to the general public online or in academic articles. What is new is the candor of the narrative and relative impassivity with which Wallace-Wells, a career journalist, elucidates the distressing implications of the facts that he reports.

“For decades now,” he reports, "there have been few things with a worse reputation than “alarmism” among those studying climate change. For a concerned class, this was somewhat strange; you don’t typically hear from public health experts about the need for circumspection in describing the risks of carcinogens, for instance. James Hansen, who first testified before Congress about global warming in 1988, has named the phenomenon “scientific reticence,” and in 2007 chastised his colleagues for editing their own observations so conscientiously that they failed to communicate how dire the threat really was. That tendency has metastasized over time, ironically as the news from research grew bleaker, so that for a long time each major publication would be attended by a cloud of commentary debating its precise calibration of perspective and tone — with many of those articles seen to lack an even balance between bad news and optimism, and labeled “fatalistic.”

More at https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/eating-the-frog/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 3:12 PM

Trump’s EPA Exempts Factory Farms From Reporting Harmful Emissions
https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/n...-from-reporting-harmful-emission
s-2019-06-04/

The Environmental Protection Agency published a rule today exempting huge factory farming operations from federal safety and transparency laws that require the reporting of hazardous substance releases.

Today’s rule creates a reporting loophole for industrial facilities with thousands of farm animals. These factory farms are known to release harmful airborne pollutants like ammonia and hydrogen sulfide that are linked to respiratory and other health problems.

“The Trump EPA’s deeply unjust exemption unlawfully hides information about factory farms’ noxious emissions from emergency workers and at-risk neighbors,” said Hannah Connor, a senior attorney at the Center for Biological Diversity. “Instead of protecting people from these hazardous releases, Trump officials are shielding polluters and keeping the rest of us in the dark.”

The federal Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act requires facilities such as factory farms to report releases of hazardous substances like ammonia and hydrogen sulfide to state and local authorities. Those reports must be made available to the public.

The reporting requirements enable communities and emergency responders to protect themselves against harmful exposure to pollution. They also support the development of emergency-response and preparedness plans.

Ammonia and hydrogen sulfide are identified under federal law as extremely hazardous substances. These respiratory irritants can decrease lung function and cause severe headaches, nausea and eye and skin damage. Acute exposure can even lead to death.

Ammonia and hydrogen sulfide releases can also contaminate air, water and soil and harm wildlife.

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:18 PM

COMPANIES EXPECT CLIMATE CHANGE TO COST THEM $1 TRILLION IN 5 YEARS
https://www.wired.com/story/companies-expect-climate-change-to-cost-th
em-one-trillion-dollars-in-5-years/

In January, climate change claimed its first corporate victim. Facing billions in liabilities after contributing to some of California’s deadliest and most devastating wildfires, PG&E filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. This spring, flooding in the Midwest ruined fields, grain silos, and infrastructure. The agriculture conglomerate Archer Daniels Midland reported that the floods would cost it between $50 and $60 million in the first quarter of the year.

The costs of a disturbed climate are becoming increasingly burdensome and apparent. In 2018 the US sustained $91 billion in damages from climate-related disasters, including tropical cyclones, severe storms, inland floods, droughts, and wildfires.

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:25 PM

The Great Insect Dying: A global look at a deepening crisis
https://news.mongabay.com/2019/06/the-great-insect-dying-a-global-look
-at-a-deepening-crisis/

Recent studies from Germany and Puerto Rico, and a global meta-study, all point to a serious, dramatic decline in insect abundance. Plummeting insect populations could deeply impact ecosystems and human civilization, as these tiny creatures form the base of the food chain, pollinate, dispose of waste, and enliven soils.

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:14 PM

Germany and Puerto Rico are more than welcome to come over here and take all of the ants.

There's a billion more of them under my idiot neighbor's 3 feet of unmowed grass they can have too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 12:02 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

Tried to save a small snapping turtle today. He wuz stalled on the side uv the street in front uv my house, dehydrated and barely alive. I took him to the lake and put him on a rock in shallow water so hiz noze wuz not under water.

Hope he revived.

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http://www.7532020.com .

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Tried to save a small snapping turtle today. He wuz stalled on the side uv the street in front uv my house, dehydrated and barely alive. I took him to the lake and put him on a rock in shallow water so hiz noze wuz not under water.

Hope he revived.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

Good job.

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:08 PM

This article hits all the main points about our upcoming extinction and it's a short read.

Near Term Human Extinction in 5 Acts
https://www.fasterthanexpected.one/near-term-human-extinction/

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:26 PM

WISHIMAY

http://www.kristinholt.com/archives/10240

Interesting read on the weather in the 1880's.

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 PM

THE EXTINCTION CRISIS
It's frightening but true: Our planet is now in the midst of its sixth mass extinction of plants and animals — the sixth wave of extinctions in the past half-billion years. We're currently experiencing the worst spate of species die-offs since the loss of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Although extinction is a natural phenomenon, it occurs at a natural “background” rate of about one to five species per year. Scientists estimate we're now losing species at up to 1,000 times the background rate, with literally dozens going extinct every day [1]. It could be a scary future indeed, with as many as 30 to 50 percent of all species possibly heading toward extinction by mid-century [2].

Unlike past mass extinctions, caused by events like asteroid strikes, volcanic eruptions, and natural climate shifts, the current crisis is almost entirely caused by us — humans. In fact, 99 percent of currently threatened species are at risk from human activities, primarily those driving habitat loss, introduction of exotic species, and global warming [3]. Because the rate of change in our biosphere is increasing, and because every species' extinction potentially leads to the extinction of others bound to that species in a complex ecological web, numbers of extinctions are likely to snowball in the coming decades as ecosystems unravel.
https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/biodiversity/elements_of_
biodiversity/extinction_crisis/

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Monday, June 10, 2019 12:47 PM

Meat eaters are destroying the planet, says report
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...t-warning-a7985071.html?utm_sour
ce=reddit.com

The new report, Appetite for Destruction, launched at the Extinction and Livestock Conference, says the consumption of animal products is leading to a vast and increasing amount of land being used for crops.

This is threatening areas including the Amazon, Congo Basin and the Himalayas, where water and land resources are already under significant pressure, the report warned.

Excessive animal product consumption is responsible for 60 per cent of all biodiversity loss, according to WWF, with the UK food industry alone directly linked to the extinction of an estimated 33 species.

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Monday, June 10, 2019 12:48 PM

Never mind CCTV in slaughterhouses – we need to end the meat and dairy industry altogether
It isn’t just horrific for the animals, producing meat also has a huge effect on the environment and health consequences to humans – even those of us who are vegan
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/meat-dairy-vegan-slaughterhouses-
vegetarian-a7891046.html

According to the UN Food and Agriculture organisation, greenhouse gases from producing livestock make up 14.5 per cent of total global greenhouse gas emissions – that’s more than all transport combined, including cars, buses, boats – and even planes. According to Nasa, clearing land to raise livestock is one of the leading causes of deforestation – we’re literally destroying the earth’s lungs and precious ecosystems to raise farmed animals.

Moreover, studies show that the average amount of water needed to produce one pound of beef is1,799 gallons. This is compared to a pound of soybeans which takes 216 gallons, and a pound of corn which takes 108 gallons. Considering more than 40 per cent of people worldwide are affected by water scarcity, shouldn’t we be trying to produce food in the least water intensive ways possible? Instead we’re using vast amounts of water and land to grow crops, to then feed to animals to then feed to people. Why don’t we just eat the crops?

Water scarcity is not the only human cost of eating animals. Just this week, millions of eggs have been recalled from supermarkets across the globe for fear that they contain the hazardous substance Fipronil. Eating meat puts humans at risk of diseases like swine flu, bird flu and mad cow disease; I’ve yet to see an outbreak of lentil flu.

Animal farming is contributing to the growth of diseases like E Coli and MRSA and helping them develop further resistance to antibiotics. The NHS has warned against antibiotics used in farm animals, saying that they are a threat to human health.

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Monday, June 10, 2019 8:46 PM

lol. Not gonna happen, soy boy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 1:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Not gonna happen, soy boy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

No one here thinks you're bright enough to make connections with your wet brain.

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 1:00 PM

UN Says Climate Genocide Is Coming. It’s Actually Worse Than That.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/un-says-climate-genocide-coming
-but-its-worse-than-that.html

"As recently as a year ago, when I explored worst-case scenarios for climate change, alarmism of this kind was considered anathema to many scientists, who believed that storytelling that focused on the scary possibilities was just as damaging to public engagement as denial. There have been a few scary developments in climate research over the past year — more methane from Arctic lakes and permafrost than expected, which could accelerate warming; an unprecedented heat wave, arctic wildfires, and hurricanes rolling through both of the world’s major oceans this past summer. But by and large the consensus is the same: We are on track for four degrees of warming, more than twice as much as most scientists believe is possible to endure without inflicting climate suffering on hundreds of millions or threatening at least parts of the social and political infrastructure we call, grandly, “civilization.” The only thing that changed, this week, is that the scientists, finally, have hit the panic button.

Because the numbers are so small, we tend to trivialize the differences between one degree and two, two degrees and four. Human experience and memory offers no good analogy for how we should think about those thresholds, but with degrees of warming, as with world wars or recurrences of cancer, you don’t want to see even one.

At two degrees, the melting of ice sheets will pass a tipping point of collapse, flooding dozens of the world’s major cities this century. At that amount of warming, it is estimated, global GDP, per capita, will be cut by 13 percent. Four hundred million more people will suffer from water scarcity, and even in the northern latitudes heat waves will kill thousands each summer. It will be worse in the planet’s equatorial band. In India, where many cities now numbering in the many millions would become unliveably hot, there would be 32 times as many extreme heat waves, each lasting five times as long and exposing, in total, 93 times more people. This is two degrees — practically speaking, our absolute best-case climate scenario.

At three degrees, southern Europe will be in permanent drought. The average drought in Central America would last 19 months and in the Caribbean 21 months. In northern Africa, the figure is 60 months — five years. The areas burned each year by wildfires would double in the Mediterranean and sextuple in the United States. Beyond the sea-level rise, which will already be swallowing cities from Miami Beach to Jakarta, damages just from river flooding will grow 30-fold in Bangladesh, 20-fold in India, and as much as 60-fold in the U.K. This is three degrees — better than we’d do if all the nations of the world honored their Paris commitments, which none of them are. Practically speaking, barring those dramatic tech deus ex machinas, this seems to me about as positive a realistic outcome as it is rational to expect.

At four degrees, there would be eight million cases of dengue fever each year in Latin America alone. Global grain yields could fall by as much as 50 percent, producing annual or close-to-annual food crises. The global economy would be more than 30 percent smaller than it would be without climate change, and we would see at least half again as much conflict and warfare as we do today. Possibly more. Our current trajectory, remember, takes us higher still, and while there are many reasons to think we will bend that curve soon — the plummeting cost of renewable energy, the growing global consensus about phasing out coal — it is worth remembering that, whatever you may have heard about the green revolution and the price of solar, at present, global carbon emissions are still growing."

It seems to be policy that when such awful news is shared, the author has some obligation to palliate it with a dose of hopium.

He's way too optimistic.

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 5:07 PM

JONGSSTRAW

A truly demented and delusional pack of LIES! A fractured fairy tale for the very dim-witted.

But it has a good beat.

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 8:34 PM

It's amusing watching trolls scream meaninglessly at established science.

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 8:35 PM

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 8:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
It's amusing watching trolls scream meaninglessly at established science.

How amusing is it, really?

I mean, if that is really what's going on here, you're going to die because I like eating cows.

Doesn't seem fair, does it Marcos?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 10:04 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"The truth: It's too late. We will go extinct, very soon. Enjoy the time you have left."

So what are you going to do about it? Are you going to fight the end of the world? Or start enjoying yourself?

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 3:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

REAVERBOT, I'm sure YOU were sure I was exaggerating

Quote:
The DOD is the world's largest institutional user of petroleum and correspondently the single largest producer of greenhouse gases in the world

Brown University
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2019/Pentago
n%20Fuel%20Use%2C%20Climate%20Change%20and%20the%20Costs%20of%20War%20Final.pdf

So, REAVERBOT, what are you going to do about it?

Call me a "Russian troll"... again?
Or are you going to finally pull your head out of your ass and start thinking about the REAL real world?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 7:31 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"The truth: It's too late. We will go extinct, very soon. Enjoy the time you have left."

So what are you going to do about it? Are you going to fight the end of the world? Or start enjoying yourself?

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

1kiki, there are more choices than either enjoy yourself or fight the end of the world. There is also vote against Climate Change Deniers. Helpfully, the business community provides a list of those Deniers, organized by state:
www.businessinsider.com/climate-change-and-republicans-congress-global
-warming-2019-2

The most famous Climate Change Denier is Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 4:01 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

What have democrats done to change the end of the world as we know it?

Here's a hint - this is from the DNC 2016 party platform: "... we must ensure federal actions do not 'significantly exacerbate' global warming." That's it. Well, except for the military contribution, which would expand unabated, along with our military footprint and interventions. ...

You gotta' give those democraps credit for really hewing to a good global warming plan!

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2016-democratic-party-platfo
rm

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 6:55 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfart:
It's amusing watching trolls scream meaninglessly at established science.

Bloodletting was once "established science".

Prescribing laudanum (opium) was once "established science".

The Earth is flat was once "established science".

The Sun revolves around the Earth was once "established science".

You and your fellow "established science" climate-hysteria cultists can kiss my muscular buttocks.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 7:18 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

You lied, 1kiki.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
What have democrats done to change the end of the world as we know it?

Here's a hint - this is from the DNC 2016 party platform: "... we must ensure federal actions do not 'significantly exacerbate' global warming." That's it. Well, except for the military contribution, which would expand unabated, along with our military footprint and interventions. ...

You gotta' give those democraps credit for really hewing to a good global warming plan!

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2016-democratic-party-platfo
rm

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

There are 30 more lines about climate in the Democratic Platform, but I stopped cutting and pasting when I got enough to prove 1kiki lied:

Democrats believe that climate change poses a real and urgent threat to our economy, our national security, and our children's health and futures, and that Americans deserve the jobs and security that come from becoming the clean energy superpower of the 21st century.

Only the United States can mobilize common action on a truly global scale, to take on the challenges that transcend borders, from international terrorism to climate change to health pandemics.

We will protect communities from the impact of climate change and help them to mitigate its effects by investing in green and resilient infrastructure.

We will promote collaborative stewardship of our natural resources, while developing clean fuels that will grow our economy, lower our energy bills, combat climate change, and make America the clean energy superpower of the 21st century.

Our climate change policy will cut carbon emission, address poverty, invest in disadvantaged communities, and improve both air quality and public health.

Climate change is an urgent threat and a defining challenge of our time. Fifteen of the 16 hottest years on record have occurred this century. While Donald Trump has called climate change a "hoax," 2016 is on track to break global temperature records once more.

Democrats share a deep commitment to tackling the climate challenge; creating millions of good-paying middle class jobs; reducing greenhouse gas emissions more than 80 percent below 2005 levels by 2050; and meeting the pledge President Obama put forward in the landmark Paris Agreement, which aims to keep global temperature increases to "well below" two degrees Celsius and to pursue efforts to limit global temperature increases to 1.5 degrees Celsius.

More at www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2016-democratic-party-platform

One more quote won't hurt:

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We believe America must be running entirely on clean energy by mid-century. We will take bold steps to slash carbon pollution and protect clean air at home, lead the fight against climate change around the world, ensure no Americans are left out or left behind as we accelerate the transition to a clean energy economy, and be responsible stewards of our natural resources and our public lands and waters. Democrats reject the notion that we have to choose between protecting our planet and creating good-paying jobs. We can and we will do both.

The Republicans in the Senate, if they have 41 seats, can filibuster and prevent the Democrats from doing anything. It's the rule that the Republicans depend heavily upon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yanno what I see when I read the democratic statements on climate change?
blah blah blah
And more blah blah blah

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Democrats believe ...

Yeah? But what are they going to do about it?

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Only the United States can ... blah blah blah

Another meaningless talking point

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We will protect and ... blah blah blah ... by investing in green and resilient infrastructure

Oh yeah? Show me the money.

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We will promote ... while developing.. and make America blah blah blah

Sounds like one of the many badly-written donation appeals I get every year: "promote", "defend", "stand with", "fight for" ... long on generalities, short on practical action.

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Climate change is an urgent threat...

yep! So, what are you going to DO about it?

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democrats share a deep commitment ... blah blah blah

***YAWN!!***. Can I wake up now??

I throw hundreds of letters like this into the recycling bin every year. I only give to charities if I know what they're going to do with the money, and this is so mushy it reads like a giant scam and doesn't deserve three seconds of anyone's time.

What we need to see is ...

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We will impose a carbon tax, the money will not be retained by the government but turned back to the people in the form of a rebate

and

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We will cut our military budget by 50% and reduce our military energy use by at least that much

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:40 PM

Republicans doing the lion's share of denial and obstruction is long-proven in this thread.

The "both sides are just as bad" Russian trolls have already been proven wrong, repeatedly.

What does a Russian troll do when proven wrong? Sealioning, as seen here.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:43 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Signy

I didn't count those 'statements' for the very reason you mentioned. Aside from that, most were re other topics like - we will keep farmers from being adversely affected by climate change - we will reduce the impact of climate change on native Americans and other minorities ...

It's the democrats' 'victim group de jour' approach to climate change.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:45 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

How amusing is it, really?

I mean, if that is really what's going on here, you're going to die because I like eating cows.

Doesn't seem fair, does it Marcos?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

But here's the thing. If RF is right YOU will also die because you like eating cows. And it may be more fair, in the sense that you'll be feeling the consequences of your own actions. But it sure seems disproportionate.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:50 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"The "both sides are just as bad" Russian trolls have already been proven wrong, repeatedly."

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

How amusing is it, really?

I mean, if that is really what's going on here, you're going to die because I like eating cows.

Doesn't seem fair, does it Marcos?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

But here's the thing. If RF is right YOU will also die because you like eating cows. And it may be more fair, in the sense that you'll be feeling the consequences of your own actions. But it sure seems disproportionate.

I'm okay with that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm okay with that, because I'm a wet brain neoNazi with no education and low IQ. I'm too stupid to associate actions with consequences.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Fixed.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 10:01 PM

Note that it doesn't say "Obama's EPA."

Trump’s EPA Exempts Factory Farms From Reporting Harmful Emissions
https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/n...-from-reporting-harmful-emission
s-2019-06-04/

The Environmental Protection Agency published a rule today exempting huge factory farming operations from federal safety and transparency laws that require the reporting of hazardous substance releases.

Today’s rule creates a reporting loophole for industrial facilities with thousands of farm animals. These factory farms are known to release harmful airborne pollutants like ammonia and hydrogen sulfide that are linked to respiratory and other health problems.

“The Trump EPA’s deeply unjust exemption unlawfully hides information about factory farms’ noxious emissions from emergency workers and at-risk neighbors,” said Hannah Connor, a senior attorney at the Center for Biological Diversity. “Instead of protecting people from these hazardous releases, Trump officials are shielding polluters and keeping the rest of us in the dark.”

The federal Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act requires facilities such as factory farms to report releases of hazardous substances like ammonia and hydrogen sulfide to state and local authorities. Those reports must be made available to the public.

The reporting requirements enable communities and emergency responders to protect themselves against harmful exposure to pollution. They also support the development of emergency-response and preparedness plans.

Ammonia and hydrogen sulfide are identified under federal law as extremely hazardous substances. These respiratory irritants can decrease lung function and cause severe headaches, nausea and eye and skin damage. Acute exposure can even lead to death.

Ammonia and hydrogen sulfide releases can also contaminate air, water and soil and harm wildlife.

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 10:02 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

THANKS for the quotable quote, and for demonstrating your programming is too limited to engage in a discussion of the topic.

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Originally posted by REAVERFAN:
Republicans doing the lion's share of denial and obstruction is long-proven in this thread.

The "both sides are just as bad" Russian trolls have already been proven wrong, repeatedly.

What does a Russian troll do when proven wrong? Sealioning, as seen here.

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Friday, June 14, 2019 6:09 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Signy

I didn't count those 'statements' for the very reason you mentioned. Aside from that, most were re other topics like - we will keep farmers from being adversely affected by climate change - we will reduce the impact of climate change on native Americans and other minorities ...

It's the democrats' 'victim group de jour' approach to climate change.

1kiki and Signym are lying about Democrats to muddle the obvious difference with Republicans about climate. Back in 2016, the Republican platform rejected climate change as real.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/republican-platform-rejects-paris-c
limate-agreement/

From the 2016 Democratic Platform

Democrats share a deep commitment to tackling the climate challenge; creating millions of good-paying middle class jobs; reducing greenhouse gas emissions more than 80 percent below 2005 levels by 2050; and meeting the pledge President Obama put forward in the landmark Paris Agreement, which aims to keep global temperature increases to "well below" two degrees Celsius and to pursue efforts to limit global temperature increases to 1.5 degrees Celsius.

We believe America must be running entirely on clean energy by mid-century. We will take bold steps to slash carbon pollution and protect clean air at home, lead the fight against climate change around the world, ensure no Americans are left out or left behind as we accelerate the transition to a clean energy economy, and be responsible stewards of our natural resources and our public lands and waters. Democrats reject the notion that we have to choose between protecting our planet and creating good-paying jobs. We can and we will do both.

More at www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2016-democratic-party-platform

In 2021, the Republicans in the Senate, if they have 41 seats or more, will filibuster and prevent the Democrats from doing anything about climate. It's the rule that the Republicans depend heavily upon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, June 14, 2019 6:50 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Will climate change kill everyone — or just lots and lots of people?

www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/13/18660548/climate-change-human-civ
ilization-existential-risk

The debate over whether climate change will end life on Earth, explained.

Many analyses of climate change — including the report Vice based its article on — treat the deaths of a billion people and the extinction of humanity as pretty similar outcomes, but climate change won’t kill us all, yet it’s one of the biggest challenges ahead of us and the results of our failure to act will be devastating.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, June 14, 2019 7:41 AM