Work suks by JO753

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Originally posted by JO753:
Sorry for the lak uv posts. All I seem to do theze daze iz work & sleep.

Still a tote maintainer.

They hav sum tek problemz at Peapod that I coud fix, but I havent gotten a reply from the hed honcho to a letter asking for a meeting.

The main bummer factor there iz the time dragz reeeeel slow. 10 minits seemz like an owr.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

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Good to hear from you JO.

How's the situation at home? Have the stress levels outside of work at least gotten lower and make it worth doing?

If we were in person right now, I'd sound exactly like the kid from Stranger Things, because I haven't put my dentures in yet for the day. *toothless*

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:24 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by JO753:
Sorry for the lak uv posts. All I seem to do theze daze iz work & sleep.

Still a tote maintainer.

They hav sum tek problemz at Peapod that I coud fix, but I havent gotten a reply from the hed honcho to a letter asking for a meeting.

The main bummer factor there iz the time dragz reeeeel slow. 10 minits seemz like an owr.

Good to see you posting, Jo. Trump still sucks dog @ss btw.

Ugh - working for other people is the worst - especially for a smart person such as yourself.

There are some online options like:

https://www.takl.com

and

https://www.taskrabbit.com

I have not used any of them as either a provider or customer, so I can't totally recommend. At least you would be working for yourself for the most part in terms of choosing when and how much and what kind of work you do.

Search "online+self+employment" brings up plenty of options - bound to be something decent and worthy in there.

Peapod? I hate to give advice... but I once heard someone suggest...

... don't wait for them to contact you. Be bold and direct and plan your pitch ahead of time. Don't forget to smile, positivity breads positivity in return, yadda yadda, I'm sure you know the drill. Plus, "why not?" Sounds like you have motivation to not worry about the outcome.

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Thursday, January 30, 2020 7:11 PM

rezident owtsidr

xanks for the poz attitude, guyz.

Thoze look interesting, CC, but I wundr how they get paid. I tried out HomeAdvizer last yir and its a borderline skam. The handyman haz to pay their fee to bid on a job wether they get it or not.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

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Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:51 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

How did I miss this thread entirely?! Hey JO - I'm glad you sound like you're doing OK !! ...

... (except for the job part, which sounds tedious in the extreme).

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Friday, January 31, 2020 12:27 AM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Ugh - working for other people is the worst - especially for a smart person such as yourself.

My kiddo has a job working in a facility where other people are, but in a couple days when she's done with training she gets to not have a supervisor. As long as she's doing her job right, they leave her to it.

I think back, if I had had a job like that, right out of the gate...

Man, I had some awful managers...

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Friday, January 31, 2020 1:05 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yeah, I'm sure the fault was all theirs ...

Hey, WISHY, how about that conversation that Signy and I never had? Yanno, the one only you saw?

Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

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Friday, January 31, 2020 1:45 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hey JO, I posted this in your other thread but I think it belongs here.
I was under the impression you're a pattern-maker. Right?
Well, I saw these and thought of you. I was hoping you'd come back so I could post them to you.

I hope you find them interesting.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, January 31, 2020 9:47 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah, I'm sure the fault was all theirs ...

I'm going to get out of character here and take Nilbog's side on this one.

I don't exactly have the most agreeable personality IRL myself, but I'm the hardest working and most efficient sonofabitch you've ever had working for you if you're lucky enough to hire me.

Most managers I've worked for figured this out almost right away and just stepped back and let me do my thing. Some didn't though, and chose to talk down to me like they talked down to everyone else and the unnecessary micromanagement was obscene. As I've gotten older, I have learned how to handle these personality faults in a manager, but when I was young that never ended well.

Maybe I lucked out with most of my managers, but I can attest that there are at least some out there that have no business having that title.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 31, 2020 9:57 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey JO, I posted this in your other thread but I think it belongs here.
I was under the impression you're a pattern-maker. Right?
Well, I saw these and thought of you. I was hoping you'd come back so I could post them to you.

"Here, Jo, have a sip of cool, refreshing Koooooolaid."

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Friday, January 31, 2020 10:02 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah, I'm sure the fault was all theirs ...

I'm going to get out of character here and take Nilbog's side on this one.

I don't exactly have the most agreeable personality IRL myself, but I'm the hardest working and most efficient sonofabitch you've ever had working for you if you're lucky enough to hire me.

Most managers I've worked for figured this out almost right away and just stepped back and let me do my thing. Some didn't though, and chose to talk down to me like they talked down to everyone else and the unnecessary micromanagement was obscene. As I've gotten older, I have learned how to handle these personality faults in a manager, but when I was young that never ended well.

Maybe I lucked out with most of my managers, but I can attest that there are at least some out there that have no business having that title.

I think that might actually be most of us in here. I'd rather work hard and prove that leaving me alone was the best thing to do. Plus, makes the time go by faster. BUT it's still just one person's opinion.
Plus: that's really only half the story. It's not easy being a manager, especially if you don't want to be one. I never wanted to tell anyone else what to do, EVER. "Don't do stupid sh*t" would be my one and only instruction. Turns out it's more like baby sitting. You can't believe the stupid sh*t people get up to and lie about etc. You really need to see it from both sides to know it well.

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Friday, January 31, 2020 11:45 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I never wanted to be a manager, but I did work for one that was excellent and tried to be like him, and I learned a few things along the way on my own.

The work we did was highly complex, and technically and legally demanding. We were never sure WHAT would come thru the door, and we could never say "no".

But one of the tricks I learned when someone came thru the door with a sample wanting to know if there was anything "toxic" in it was to ask How much are you willing to spend on this analysis? Because SOME of the analyses, like for dioxins, was $30,000 per sample. Once I explained that it would be prohibitively costly to look for all 200+ "toxic" compounds (and that was just the EPA toxics list, the CA Prop 65 list was much, much longer) they usually were able to describe the industrial process tht would allow us to narrow down the list of concerns. (We did get a bottle once, of foul-smelling liquid that a homeowner found at their curb, and after doing a generic screening for ogranic toxics found ... besides water ... ethanol and a smelly compound found in pee, leading us to conclude that some drunk person had peed in a bottle and left it curbside.)

The other thing I learned was What will you do with this number once we give it to you?" Some numbers would be used for enforcement, but the three most dangerous words were "For information only". Long story, but those "informational" results often found their way into litigation, and because there was often no "stipulated" method for that request we had to do a method documentation and validation (eg "spike and recovery") on-the-spot because we would probably have to testify in court about its validity.

Another lesson I learned was: Never assign the same project to different people with the same level of authority. If two or more people were working on the same project, one was the project leader and one (or more) were subordinates, or they were working on different aspects (one was doing instrumentation while the other was doing the computer work, for example.) That avoided a lot of competition and confusion.

Which leads me to the sneaky way that I fostered cooperation: Everyone was teaching somebody something. Each person had a strength: One person was exceptionally good at wet chemistry, another person was really good at instrument repair, another person was dynamite at data acquisition, a fourth was excellent at dabasing etc.

I set up my group (sometimes as small as 6 people, or as large as 13) so that everyone worked in several pairs ... in one pair, they might be teaching instrument troubleshooting and in another pair they might be learning sampling equipmetn preparation. It was a complex matrix, but the goal was to have two "primary" operators for each technique (able to troubleshoot and modify), and at least one "secondary" operator (able to run without instruction) and one "tertiary" operator ... able to run with instruction.

Had a few other tricks up my sleeve, too, but the people who were insubordinate or nonproductive I did my best to get fired.

SIX, if you had been working for me you would have been training some people how to do your kind of work. OTOH someone would have been training you how to run a forklift and how to be a team leader, and if there was any computer work potentially up the line you would have been given an opportunity to learn that too.

There's always something to learn on ANY job.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, January 31, 2020 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah, I'm sure the fault was all theirs ...

I'm going to get out of character here and take Nilbog's side on this one.

I don't exactly have the most agreeable personality IRL myself, but I'm the hardest working and most efficient sonofabitch you've ever had working for you if you're lucky enough to hire me.

Most managers I've worked for figured this out almost right away and just stepped back and let me do my thing. Some didn't though, and chose to talk down to me like they talked down to everyone else and the unnecessary micromanagement was obscene. As I've gotten older, I have learned how to handle these personality faults in a manager, but when I was young that never ended well.

Maybe I lucked out with most of my managers, but I can attest that there are at least some out there that have no business having that title.

I think that might actually be most of us in here. I'd rather work hard and prove that leaving me alone was the best thing to do. Plus, makes the time go by faster. BUT it's still just one person's opinion.
Plus: that's really only half the story. It's not easy being a manager, especially if you don't want to be one. I never wanted to tell anyone else what to do, EVER. "Don't do stupid sh*t" would be my one and only instruction. Turns out it's more like baby sitting. You can't believe the stupid sh*t people get up to and lie about etc. You really need to see it from both sides to know it well.

Yeah. That is why I say I've gotten better at it now. I didn't have any empathy in my 20s. At my old job, I was told by "Number 2" that I could keep getting the schedule I wanted as long as I cleared it with the new manager (In about 1 1/2 years, 4 people had that position... it was a thankless job).

The last two, I just let them know what I brought to the table and why the previous managers gave me what I wanted. I let them know that the amount of work I was going to do was what 2.5 to 3 people would need to do otherwise, and the quality of the work spoke for itself. "Just let me continue to do my thing and I'll make you look good."

I don't know for sure if the conversation itself worked, or the first week they worked with me it really sunk in. But they definitely knew what I was talking about when I wasn't there, and after my 2nd week back they stayed out of my way.

But the rub of needing to find a new job is that I know I'm just going to have to swallow some shit for a few months because you can't just go in there making demands without already having proven yourself or they'll tell you to fuck right off.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 31, 2020 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SIX, if you had been working for me you would have been training some people how to do your kind of work. OTOH someone would have been training you how to run a forklift and how to be a team leader, and if there was any computer work potentially up the line you would have been given an opportunity to learn that too.

There's always something to learn on ANY job.

There's no ROI in that, at least at the old job. Forklift drivers didn't make one cent more than anybody else. Getting "promoted" to full time didn't even give you a nickle more per hour either, and even though they asked me 3 times to work full time, I denied the request. I'm not going to make a job my life for $11.50 an hour.

The amount of responsibility put on a Team Lead there was insane too... at least for overnights. They were essentially a manager, but getting paid $14.50 per hour for all the extra duties, and once again, making that job their entire life. You can't even have a life on weekends when you only get two days off and you work the night shift. And Team Leads didn't even get weekends off anyhow because they had to play manager when the manager got his or her weekends off.

I'm not saying that I'll never take on responsibility in the future or that I won't work full time. But I'll be damned if I ever do it in a retail scenario where the money is not worth it and they let you know every day that you're easily replaceable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 31, 2020 12:20 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The benefit of learning on your job is that you have more opportunities for your next job. More positions are open to you ... like, if you could drive a forklift you could apply at lumberyards and some of the big box home improvement stores and cement plants where driving a forklift is a requirement ...and you have a proven record of being able to adapt. Which means that you can apply for jobs for which you have NO experience by saying ... I learned this and this and that, and I can learn here, too.

Plus, I don't know about you but there's more than pay to a job. I LOVE to learn. The best job I ever had was working in the field, I got an inside look at just about every major industry in the area but the pay ... sucked. Still, I look back on that as one of the high points of my work history.

One of the reasons why people liked to work in my group is that alhto most people worked independently, we also had a team. If you ran into a problem with your instrument that you couldn't fix, there was always the guy/gal who had the intuition and experience, or if your sample just wasn't prepping properly or the database was choking there was the guy/gal who could step in and help.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, January 31, 2020 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The benefit of learning on your job is that you have more opportunities for your next job. More positions are open to you, and you have a proven record of being able to adapt. Plus, I don't know about you but there's more than pay to a job. I LOVE to learn. The best job I ever had was working in the field, I got an inside look at just about every major industry in the area but the pay ... sucked. Still, I look back on that as one of the high points of my work history.

One of the reasons why people liked to work in my group is that alhto most people worked independently, we also had a team. If you ran into a problem with your instrument that you couldn't fix, there was always the guy/gal who had the intuition and experience, or if your sample just wasn't prepping properly or the database was choking there was the guy/gal who could step in and help.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

There's nothing exciting about retail, and nothing that I'd ever care to learn.

You're either a peon that is easily replaceable that makes peanuts, you're middle management who gets fucked from both ends by employees who don't care at all about the job because they make peanuts and have zero benefits and store/corporate managers who don't give a shit about anything other than keeping their jobs and getting their bonuses, while six-sigmaing the entire thing until all humanity is stripped away completely and the meat-sacks are nothing but mere cogs in the machine. Nameless, faceless numbers.

I'm only doing that because it's the only type of job I can get at this stage of my life, and I only want to do the absolute bare minimum necessary to pay my bills and cover my rehab work expenses.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 31, 2020 1:53 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Just getting back to WISHI for a bit - I've had fantastic managers, but then I've also had really shitty ones, and the vast majority in between. But if all you've had are shitty managers, it's probably not them.

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Friday, January 31, 2020 2:57 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by JO753:
They hav sum tek problemz at Peapod that I coud fix, but I havent gotten a reply from the hed honcho to a letter asking for a meeting.

Since you're approaching a manager ... and they're always thinking bottom line ... have you been able to frame your request for a meeting like I see a technical solution that could increase production at this point by X% or I see technical solution that could decrease errors at this point by x% or I see a technical solution that will save you X mount of money?

Also, a manager will not want to admit there's a problem that they didn't fix, and/or will always want to take credit for improvement. So decide what you want from this: A promotion? A one-time payment? An entre into solving other production problems at the facility? Whatever it is, your manager has to be OK with it too. Win/win.

Take a production manager's POV: What is the rate-limiting step of the final output? If you're improving output at one step only to increase the backlog at the next step, is that really useful? If you're solving one problem but potentially creating another, do you have a solution for that too?

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Thoze look interesting, CC, but I wundr how they get paid. I tried out HomeAdvizer last yir and its a borderline skam. The handyman haz to pay their fee to bid on a job wether they get it or not.

Yeah, I went thru HomeAdvisor a couple of years ago, and the contractor that I went with told me the same thing. The problem is, HomeAdvisor flooded me with at least a dozen referrals, which means that each contractor only had an 8% chance of getting hired.

I don't know about takl and taskrabbit, tho. Maybe they work differently. I'd sure hope so!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, January 31, 2020 3:25 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

TaskRabbit takes 15% of your pay, like most agencies (altho some take 20%)
https://support.taskrabbit.com/hc/en-us/articles/204411610-What-s-the-
TaskRabbit-Service-Fee-

Takl takes 39%
https://uberpeople.net/threads/new-service-doing-household-tasks-takl-
launches-july-18-2016.90789/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, January 31, 2020 4:00 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
TaskRabbit takes 15% of your pay, like most agencies (altho some take 20%)
https://support.taskrabbit.com/hc/en-us/articles/204411610-What-s-the-
TaskRabbit-Service-Fee-

Takl takes 39%
https://uberpeople.net/threads/new-service-doing-household-tasks-takl-
launches-july-18-2016.90789/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

RIPOFF.

I'm sure they don't take any of your tax burden though. Probably leave you with a 1099 instead of giving you a W-2 as well so you can foot the whole Self Employment tax bill too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 31, 2020 4:03 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The 'gig' economy in a nutshell.

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Wednesday, February 12, 2020 11:00 AM

rezident owtsidr

Soundz like it payz to get a real ejyoocation in more wayz than just better pay, Sig. Way more interesting than the drone work us chumps usually get.

Yesterday they had a big all employee manditory meeting with the prez uv Peapod from the parent company, Ahold. She regretted to tell the 300 peepl gathered in the warehouse reseeving area that they are clozing down the midwest operation.

https://www.dailyherald.com/business/20200211/peapod-service-to-end-in
-illinois-lake-zurich-palatine-facilities-to-close

Desent uv them to hav her tell us in person, and they are being jenerous with severens pay & benefits.

This explainz wy I got no reply.

They hav too much competition from the fly by nite grosery dilivery outfits below them, the rejonal supermarket chainz beggining to offer dilivery, and Walmart, Amazon and Target going big time with it above them.

The only reazon they hav for staying in biz on the coasts iz kuz they hav partnerships with grosery store chainz there.

I dont see that holding up for long.

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Glad its over. My joints were taking a beating. But I wuz sad to see all thoze loyal employeez getting their livez disrupted. Sum were crying.

I think its possible I coud hav saved the joint if I'd gotten there a few yirz ago in a prfessional capasity to improve the efficiensy. The flawz that are obvious to me are invizable to them. They were throwing money away in several wayz, sum that were very eazy to fix just with a different attitude.

A fundamental mistake by the main guy wuz to promote peepl to supervizory pozitionz based mainly on seniority and hard work, rather than real abilty to see and fix problemz. So, wipping the workerz to work harder wuz the sole remedy for everything. At least 25% uv the work we did wuz compensate for flawz in the conveyor system!

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Wednesday, February 12, 2020 11:40 AM

Sorry to hear that JO. Glad you're taking it well.

Take a break from the work for a while if you can afford it on the unemployment and severance. Otherwise, good luck finding the next job. Hopefully it won't be intolerable to you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 12, 2020 7:42 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Soundz like it payz to get a real ejyoocation in more wayz than just better pay, Sig. Way more interesting than the drone work us chumps usually get.

Yesterday they had a big all employee manditory meeting with the prez uv Peapod from the parent company, Ahold. She regretted to tell the 300 peepl gathered in the warehouse reseeving area that they are clozing down the midwest operation.

https://www.dailyherald.com/business/20200211/peapod-service-to-end-in
-illinois-lake-zurich-palatine-facilities-to-close

Desent uv them to hav her tell us in person, and they are being jenerous with severens pay & benefits.

This explainz wy I got no reply.

They hav too much competition from the fly by nite grosery dilivery outfits below them, the rejonal supermarket chainz beggining to offer dilivery, and Walmart, Amazon and Target going big time with it above them.

The only reazon they hav for staying in biz on the coasts iz kuz they hav partnerships with grosery store chainz there.

I dont see that holding up for long.

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Glad its over. My joints were taking a beating. But I wuz sad to see all thoze loyal employeez getting their livez disrupted. Sum were crying.

I think its possible I coud hav saved the joint if I'd gotten there a few yirz ago in a prfessional capasity to improve the efficiensy. The flawz that are obvious to me are invizable to them. They were throwing money away in several wayz, sum that were very eazy to fix just with a different attitude.

A fundamental mistake by the main guy wuz to promote peepl to supervizory pozitionz based mainly on seniority and hard work, rather than real abilty to see and fix problemz. So, wipping the workerz to work harder wuz the sole remedy for everything. At least 25% uv the work we did wuz compensate for flawz in the conveyor system!

JO, real shame to hear of the closing.

But I think it's still worth a letter to the company, even better that you don't have to work thru a manager. Probably send a copy to the President, COO, and CFO describing the problem, the solution, and the impact (25% increased output or 25% reduced labor.) They may want to apply that to their coastal operations and have you implement them

BTW I would probably do a little intro... "I worked at your xxx facility, and my background in pattern making and industrial mechanics allowed me to identify problems in the following areas... by modifying the mechanics I estimate a 25% increase in throughput" or something like that. You may still not get a reply but at least you'd not be in any worse shape than you are now.

AFA the way they promote people... It's often the case that people get promoted above their capability, it's called the Peter Principle. The skills that make a good worker aren't the same skills that make a good team leader, supervisor, or manager. When I interviewed people and recommended for hire or promotion I looked for people who had a history of problem-solving.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Wednesday, February 12, 2020 8:06 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

DANG JO!!! That sux!

I think you already got good advice, so let me just say I feel for you!

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Wednesday, February 12, 2020 11:26 PM

rezident owtsidr

xanks for the condolensez, everybody, but like I sed, I'm glad its over. I woud hav had to kwit soon anyway to avoid arthritis. This way I can at least get unemployment.

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Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:20 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
xanks for the condolensez, everybody, but like I sed, I'm glad its over. I woud hav had to kwit soon anyway to avoid arthritis. This way I can at least get unemployment.

Yeah dude. It's probably for the best since you didn't like the job. I've stuck around longer at jobs than I should have before instead of looking for something more tolerable.

Just make sure you keep busy with your time off. It's too easy to sit around and do nothing and you're just going to feel bad about yourself if you do that. Ask me how I know.

Anyways... I'm in the same boat as you bro. Nothing out there is going to be anything close to what I'm capable of doing, and I'm going to be bored of it after 3 days and resent working for some dumb shitstain that is just as likely to be younger than I am as older these days.

The trick is to make the job work for you when you find another one. I did it at my last job and probably could have worked there until I died if they didn't lay me off, even though it didn't pay much. We're probably never going to find anything that really utilizes our skills and challenges us, but the beauty part about working at the bottom is there's a lot of jobs to choose from and you can just bounce from one to the other until you find something that is tolerable. I figure I'll probably work another 15 jobs before I'm collecting social security.

Good luck, and enjoy your time off.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 14, 2020 11:02 AM

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I'm trying to think up a way to offer my servisez az an efficiensy expert. Working az a low level production slave givez you an exelent perspectiv from wich to see the flawz in a system.

I suspect that the hi turnover at companyz coud be a sine uv fundamental teknikl problemz. True for Cardinal and Peapod, so maybe sum uv the other joints around here that are alwayz running job adz coud be persuaded to let me look into their situation.

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Friday, February 14, 2020 12:34 PM

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I'm trying to think up a way to offer my servisez az an efficiensy expert. Working az a low level production slave givez you an exelent perspectiv from wich to see the flawz in a system.

I suspect that the hi turnover at companyz coud be a sine uv fundamental teknikl problemz. True for Cardinal and Peapod, so maybe sum uv the other joints around here that are alwayz running job adz coud be persuaded to let me look into their situation.

Great idea. You have/had something of an "in" at you last job - see if they'll let you take a meeting and make a pitch. Do it on Spec unless you have any experience. It's an unfortunate egg before the chicken thing if you have no experience or recommendations for previous work of the same kind, so doing the first one for free is one way to add to your resume. Just ask Paul Manafort! Seriously, it's been known to work. What's the worst thing that can happen?

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Friday, February 14, 2020 2:36 PM

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I'm trying to think up a way to offer my servisez az an efficiensy expert. Working az a low level production slave givez you an exelent perspectiv from wich to see the flawz in a system.

I suspect that the hi turnover at companyz coud be a sine uv fundamental teknikl problemz. True for Cardinal and Peapod, so maybe sum uv the other joints around here that are alwayz running job adz coud be persuaded to let me look into their situation.

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One thing that I always said at my last job is that they should require everybody in the company who is not a peon to do peon work for two weeks every year. Also, in the case of places that have night shifts, day time management should have to work two weeks overnight, and any nightshift managers should have to work day shifts for two weeks as well.

I've worked enough places in enough sectors now to know that one of the biggest problems isn't just the lack of communication (which is a symptom of the real problem), but that nobody is forced to ever be put in a situation of walking in everybody else's shoes and that leads to the decision makers basing all of their feelings on assumptions rather than reality. It leads to decision makers having absolutely no concept of how much time and labor various things require as well, which is terrible for somebody in middle to upper-management who is in charge of delegating responsibilities, staying within budget, and completing objectives by the deadline. But most importantly, I think, it all fosters an "Us Vs. Them" scenario each and every time with both peons and management blaming the other "teams" for constantly falling short of objectives.

I've had some managers who were much better than others, but I've never had a "general". I suppose if you were good enough to actually manage a store and do a great job at it, especially in a down economy, then you most likely have a much better job than a store manager.

(Or, JO, you're like us... Feeding from the bottom although we're much more competent than any person we've ever worked for).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 15, 2020 2:49 AM

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JO: I'm trying to think up a way to offer my servisez az an efficiensy expert. Working az a low level production slave givez you an exelent perspectiv from wich to see the flawz in a system.

I suspect that the hi turnover at companyz coud be a sine uv fundamental teknikl problemz. True for Cardinal and Peapod, so maybe sum uv the other joints around here that are alwayz running job adz coud be persuaded to let me look into their situation.

CC: Great idea. You have/had something of an "in" at you last job - see if they'll let you take a meeting and make a pitch. Do it on Spec unless you have any experience. It's an unfortunate egg before the chicken thing if you have no experience or recommendations for previous work of the same kind, so doing the first one for free is one way to add to your resume.

Look at your situtation from across the "hiring" table: How do you distinguish yourself from a nutbag who thinks he has The Next Great Idea? How would you convince the hiring manager that you have something real to offer?

Absent a degree in Mechanical Engineering, what kind of credentials and relevant experience do you have to offer? Do you have at least one example of how you made a process more efficient? In your previous work at Peapod, you had something SPECIFIC to offer because you saw the problem up close. What would be your pitch to prospective companies? "Hire me because I might develop some great solutions to improve your efficiency"? I don't think they'd be beating a path to your door, which is why I think you should re-approach your previous employer. They may have the same or similar processes elsewhere. They MIGHT want to hear you out on what was going on at your facility, but this is where you need to be pretty specific in your intitial presentation. It should look like an informal bid on a contract.

You would need to lay out the problem(s). No need to describe in great mechanical detail other than a general description (alignment, speed, whatever)

Estimate the problem that it caused: 25% re-work?

Describe the estimated benefits: 25% less labor?

HOW MUCH MONEY AND TIME WILL FIXING THE PROBLEM REQUIRE? Shutting down a production line is immensely expensive - the efficiency gained has to make up for the cost of reconfiguring. When do you expect to see a payback? In a week? A month? A year? (Don't forget travel expenses if you need to do out of town, tools and materials you will need.)

Make sure that your proposal summary looks like something from the industry. Go online and see if you can find example RFQs and proposals on which to model your pitch. Managers have a flaw: They're only looking for what they expect to see. If they see something that doesn't fit with their expectations they will likely not take the time to unscramble it. It takes a VERY competent person to know when they're dealing with a very competent person who doesn't fit into the mold, and you're not likely dealing with very competent people.

If they think your ideas are worthwhile then they may ask you to look at another facility and implement them there. THEN you'll have actual experience on your resume.

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Be on the lookout for similar opportunities at other jobs. For example, you might wind up being a credible fixit guy and become a mechanic. But as usual you will need to do this advanced work for no additional pay; it's part of the process of working your way up.

http://blog.flexlink.com/6-things-to-consider-when-investing-in-a-conv
eyor-system/

https://www.foodprocessing.com/articles/2014/calculating-the-cost-of-c
onveyor-systems/

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 2:31 PM

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Interesting stuff.

The conveyor system at Peapod wuz old and not well dezined to begin with.

Yesterday wuz the last day, but we will continue to get payed for another 2 months kuz there were more than 500 employeez. The WARN act.

I'll take a vacation befor looking for another job. Also update my job application for Prez.

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 2:40 PM

Too bad it's in the middle of February out here in Everything is Dead for Four Months Out of the Year Land.

Hopefully you can make the most of your down time man. I did pretty good with it myself and have little regrets. Always nice to get a free vacation. Even better though when you get a lot of stuff done that you've been meaning to do but somehow never found the time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:15 PM

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Interesting stuff.

The conveyor system at Peapod wuz old and not well dezined to begin with.

Yesterday wuz the last day, but we will continue to get payed for another 2 months kuz there were more than 500 employeez. The WARN act.

I'll take a vacation befor looking for another job. Also update my job application for Prez.

that's a big outfit and a lot of jobs lost. I looked it up online... Were you in the Lake Zurich location?

Chicago Tribune says based in Chicago, 50,000 Midwest customers. Seems

like they lost a big part of their business, and like they should have upgraded their facilities a long time ago!

But two months pay is a pretty sweet deal. Unemployment after that?

Put that time to good use, JO. You can work on being President later.

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 10:56 PM

I don't believe there is any limitations on unemployment in Illinois with regards to severance. JO should probably be able to collect unemployment immediately even though he gets a severance. At least that is how it was years ago.

In Indiana, you don't get to have them both at the same time. Unemployment benefits don't begin until the severance stops (if it's paid out over time), or if it's a lump sum it doesn't begin until it would have run out if it was paid out over time.

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:23 AM

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Yes, Lake Zurich.

I think unemployment benefits are based partly on need, so applying rite away iznt a good idea. I woud get much less due to the continuing income, and wen that runz out, hav to do more paperwork to increase the unemployment payments. Plus therez a set amount uv weeks they pay, so I woud be uzing them up for less money.

Hopefully I can get more biz here insted and not hav to bother with it at all.

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:29 AM

rezident owtsidr

I spoke with the hed hincho last nite at the clozing party.

Seemz my improvement ideaz never had a chans. He had to send the letter to the Peapod Development Lab kuz it involved a potential contract.

Very unlikely that they woud be open to hearing from sumwun hoo sez he can do their job better than they can.

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:35 AM

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I spoke with the hed hincho last nite at the clozing party.

Seemz my improvement ideaz never had a chans. He had to send the letter to the Peapod Development Lab kuz it involved a potential contract.

Very unlikely that they woud be open to hearing from sumwun hoo sez he can do their job better than they can.

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Nice - there really is something to be said for trying.
So now, 2 words: Road Trip. Go live - travel is a great teacher and inspiration and a lot more fun than “making good use of your time.”

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:16 AM

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Yes, Lake Zurich.

I think unemployment benefits are based partly on need, so applying rite away iznt a good idea. I woud get much less due to the continuing income, and wen that runz out, hav to do more paperwork to increase the unemployment payments. Plus therez a set amount uv weeks they pay, so I woud be uzing them up for less money.

Hopefully I can get more biz here insted and not hav to bother with it at all.

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I'd do a little research on that. It doesn't sound right to me.

When you apply, you should have a fixed "Benefit Amount" that is based off of an average of how much money you made in 5 of the last 6 quarters, not including the most recent one.

If the amount of money you got from the severance reduces your weekly payment for a fixed amount of time in those first few weeks/months, then the remaining amount that wasn't paid out in those first few weeks/months should still be in your fixed BA and be available to you after the 26 normal weeks are up if you're still not employed by then. The more your weekly payments were reduced, the more money will be in your RBA (Remaining Benefit Amount) when the 26 weeks are up.

Don't skip filing for unemployment, JO. It usually takes a week or two "grace period" to start them after you file. There's no shame in filing for it. Part of your compensation is the unemployment insurance your company had to pay for each employee. They fucked you over here.

Besides, if you don't file for unemployment, you're not being counted as unemployed and making Trump look better.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:59 PM

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Road trip soundz like a kool idea. Steal a car & go to Las Vegas!

That all soundz familiar, 6. I took unemployment several timez in the 90z and early 00z. I'll read the IL unemployment rulez next week.

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