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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
2020 has helped highlight the problems in some states (battleground or swing).

But Some states have been having unchecked Election Theft in the shadows for a long time.

PA has been mischievous for decades, not sure when was the last time they had an honest election.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody on the Left gets to say that today after of 4 years of unproven claims of "election meddling".

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All of them starting with gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All of them starting with gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All of them starting with gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.

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I was thinking about gerrymandering. It's obvious that it occurs, to spilt a voting block into different districts and so deprive them of any actual say in anything.

So, where does it matter? (Below is my understanding, but if it's wrong perhaps someone could correct me.)

Not, I believe for presidential elections, because totals are counted, and then the electors do what they want, which is to USUALLY assign their votes to the winner (or to portion their votes, depending on state laws), but not always.

Nor for US Senate, since each state gets 2 senators and the entire state votes en masse on them, afaik. So gerrymandering would not be an effective tool in this case.


For governors, afaik, votes are counted en masse, so gerrymandering wouldn't be an effective tool to swing governorships.

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The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
https://www.headlineoftheday.com/2020/11/16/there-may-have-been-massiv
e-voter-fraud-in-virginia-while-virginia-wasnt-on-anyones-fraud-radar-running-the-numbers-shows-that-it-may-nevertheless-have-been-a-fraud-state/

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/17/politics/2020-house-races-majority/
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... the last few days have been filled with close House races (finally) being projected. And those projections reveal just how poorly House Democrats did.
With just a handful of races still uncalled at this point, Republicans have gained nine seats -- having won 12 Democratic-held districts and lost just three of their own.

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The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:


Loser. Bigly. Your tears are delicious. Your anguish is my joy. Suffer.

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The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.

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That's only one of the three statistical anomalies that I know of that should be examined by statisticians.

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The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.

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That's only one of the three statistical anomalies that I know of that should be examined by statisticians.

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I had thought that story was about general Election fraud. But I now see that it was part of the new Dominion system fraud.

After the Election, in States where Trump was winning, the order came down to cease counting votes, and evacuate the counting facility to allow Libtard-Soros reps to come in and reprogram the Dominion voting machines, and this is where all of that sudden Biden Bump Dump occurred in those states.
Sounds like we might read more about that when Sidney Powell briefs become available.



If they do investigate and correct these Fake Votes, then VA-2 and VA-7 might return to GOP wins, like they were on Election Day.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Nevada.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/lawsuit-claims-15000-voters-in-nevada-al
so-voted-outside-the-state_3583326.html

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The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.

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That's only one of the three statistical anomalies that I know of that should be examined by statisticians.

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I had thought that story was about general Election fraud. But I now see that it was part of the new Dominion system fraud.

After the Election, in States where Trump was winning, the order came down to cease counting votes, and evacuate the counting facility to allow Libtard-Soros reps to come in and reprogram the Dominion voting machines, and this is where all of that sudden Biden Bump Dump occurred in those states.
Sounds like we might read more about that when Sidney Powell briefs become available.



If they do investigate and correct these Fake Votes, then VA-2 and VA-7 might return to GOP wins, like they were on Election Day.

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It sounds like the funniest part of this is that the whole "Stop Counting, Go Home, Evacuate, Reprogram the Software, Create Sudden Biden Bump Dump" was not exactly planned that way, but was needed in response to the outrageous amount of landslide votes cast for Trump. The cheating software which had worked so well for Venezuelan dictators could not keep up with the flood of Trump votes. And that is why counting had to be stopped in key States Biden needed to win, so that the programming could be changed to counter the excessive Trump Vote.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

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Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

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I think that Gore losing that election, particularly under those circumstances, was what started the current insanity that surrounds us today in 2020.

To put it another way, in the alternate timeline where Gore won, I think everybody got along a lot better than we do today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

Later, a consortium of 8 newspapers did a study to examine the ballots, and found that if all the ballots had been recounted instead of a limited selection, Gore would probably have won, though narrowly. https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/
For the same election, a joint MIT/ CalTech study "found that 4 million to 6 million votes of the 100 million cast last November were not counted" and that "one of the two best solutions was low-tech, the hand-counted paper ballot. Just as reliable, the report said, are the optical-scan machines that count ballots at the precinct level and give voters a second chance if they make a mistake." https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/us/study-says-2000-election-missed-
millions-of-votes.html
Another examination of the Florida vote laid the blame on incompetent or biased administration. https://rangevoting.org/mebane.pop2004.pdf

And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

In 2004 the skew between exit polling and vote numbers was so anomalous that it begged serious study.

At the time the Edison/ Mitofsky co-venture was commissioned by the National Election Pool (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox News, and the Associated Press) to run exit polling and to "restore confidence in the whole election projection game". https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2004/11/exit-zone.html Instead, "national poll results projected a Kerry victory by 3.0%, whereas the official count had Bush winning by 2.5%." https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf

Edison/ Mitofsky did some footshuffling and debunked their own exit polls. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/politics/campaign/report-says-probl
ems-led-to-skewed-surveying-data.html
But USCountVotes, formed to examine the 2004 vote, commissioned a group of highly respected statisticians to examine the Edison/ Mitofsky explanation.
They asked themselves this: "The crucial question is whether these problems were part of a larger pattern. Were these issues collectively of sufficient magnitude to reverse the outcome of the election, or were they isolated incidents, procedurally disturbing but of little overall consequence? Under such circumstances we must rely on indirect evidence, such as exit polls, to ascertain the overall integrity of the official election results. The 2004 exit poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International ... (and) raised a red flag because they showed that Kerry had won the popular vote by a margin of 3%, while the official tally indicated a Bush victory by 2.5%." And they noted that "The report shows differences in within-precinct-error for different types of voting equipment. Precincts with paper ballots in rural precincts showed a median WPE of –0.9, consistent with chance, while all other technologies were associated with unexplained high WPE ..." Up to 10.3pct in fact. They found that the discrepancies were so widespread across so many states, so extreme in terms of numbers of votes, AND SO ONE-SIDED, that random chance could not have caused the discrepancies. They concluded: "The fact (was) that, in the 2004 election, all voting equipment technologies except paper ballots were associated with large unexplained exit poll discrepancies all favoring the same party ..."
And most importantly, they noted "Several methods have been used to estimate the probability that the national exit poll results would be as different as they were from the national popular vote by random chance. These estimates range from 1 in 16.5 million to 1 in 1,2403. No matter how one calculates it, the discrepancy cannot be attributed to chance."
The message to me is this: this wasn't random fate. It was done deliberately.
http://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofs
ky-Edison.pdf
https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf

And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

And since then we've been treated with endless un-evidenced claims like 'Russia rigged the election' while all of the previous real and unaddressed problems are hidden behind a wall of manufactured hype and hysteria ...

And now we have the 2020 election, with so many statistical anomalies going unaddressed.

There's plenty going wrong with US elections. As Signy noted elsewhere, it's everything from "gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.". But we COULD at least fix the voting process, with, also as Signy has noted elsewhere "paper ballots, hand-counted, in public" and a requirement for "voter ID" ... (I'd add a finger dipped in indelible ink.)

I'd bet Biden* (Biden* means the people behind the face, a Signy original) will just take the results and run, without bothering to look into the process. No democrat in government will. And no republican in government will either.



And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

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I think that Gore losing that election, particularly under those circumstances, was what started the current insanity that surrounds us today in 2020.

To put it another way, in the alternate timeline where Gore won, I think everybody got along a lot better than we do today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I'm not sure you are being relevant here.

FL Elections from 1996 to 2019 had huge fraud due to the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Elections Officials who were always giving excuses for why they had defrauded each Election.
The only reason that Election 2020 had no problems in FL, and everything was completed in a few short hours in FL, was because they finally got rid of the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Election officials.

And it is just shocking, shocking I say, that the 2 House Seats in FL which "flipped" from Dem to GOP were near the Miami area - from Election Fraud 2018 to honest Election 2020.

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Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

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I think that Gore losing that election, particularly under those circumstances, was what started the current insanity that surrounds us today in 2020.

To put it another way, in the alternate timeline where Gore won, I think everybody got along a lot better than we do today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I'm not sure you are being relevant here.

FL Elections from 1996 to 2019 had huge fraud due to the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Elections Officials who were always giving excuses for why they had defrauded each Election.
The only reason that Election 2020 had no problems in FL, and everything was completed in a few short hours in FL, was because they finally got rid of the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Election officials.

And it is just shocking, shocking I say, that the 2 House Seats in FL which "flipped" from Dem to GOP were near the Miami area - from Election Fraud 2018 to honest Election 2020.

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My point was that people didn't really get shitty with each other over politics until that event. That particular election.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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How many heard the whistleblower testimony yesterday? I heard it mostly live on Sean Hannity radio shpw, but all links had been scrubbed on search engines yesterday.


https://clarion.causeaction.com/2020/12/01/whistleblower-i-drove-thous
ands-of-ballots-from-new-york-to-pennsylvania/

https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/watch-live-usps-whistleblowers-come-f
orward-driver-delivered-hundreds-of-thousands-of-completed-ballots-across-three-state-lines.html/


In addition to a semiload of ballots truicked from Bethpage NY to Lancaster PA and WI trucker forced to truck backdated ballots, there was a woman whose name sounded like Karen Kortin seeing a dump of "military" ballots whjichj ALL had a birthdate of 1 January 1900, and eager vote counters refused to allow her to challenge their validity.

There was also some testimony before MI Legislature.

Some of the terms used may not be familiar to everybody.

A Gaylord is a large box on a plastic Postal pallet, 40"x48" and about 6 feet tall. I am 5'11" with size 13 feet and I needed to tiptoe to look imside, with my nose over thje top but not my jaw. They are moved habdled by forklift. Name derived from Gaylord, MI and I've seen a stamp on a box with the cardboard maker in Gaylord.

A tray is what I have seen shown in many TV clips, on shows and news, white and lab eled property of U NITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE. They hold 2 feet of mail. the smaller version is 1x1 foot and are called half trays.
A tray holds up to 750 mail pieces, and for thick mail like which need 2-3 stamps for business envelopes as little as 300 pieces. to conjure 2 feet of mail, lay an envelope flat on a surface, then stack envelopes on top until 24" high - then kneel on the stack a little and make it 24" again.

If outside a processing facility, they are required to be sleeved (wrapped) and banded. A Gaylord can easily hold 6 trays per layer, or up to 4,500 pieces. With 12 layers or more this is 72 trays, or about 54,000 peices per Gaylord. The 24 Gaylords men tioned would be easily 1,296,000 ballots on this truck which crossed state lines from NY, NJ, to PA.

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Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

Later, a consortium of 8 newspapers did a study to examine the ballots, and found that if all the ballots had been recounted instead of a limited selection, Gore would probably have won, though narrowly. https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/
For the same election, a joint MIT/ CalTech study "found that 4 million to 6 million votes of the 100 million cast last November were not counted" and that "one of the two best solutions was low-tech, the hand-counted paper ballot. Just as reliable, the report said, are the optical-scan machines that count ballots at the precinct level and give voters a second chance if they make a mistake." https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/us/study-says-2000-election-missed-
millions-of-votes.html
Another examination of the Florida vote laid the blame on incompetent or biased administration. https://rangevoting.org/mebane.pop2004.pdf

And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

In 2004 the skew between exit polling and vote numbers was so anomalous that it begged serious study.

At the time the Edison/ Mitofsky co-venture was commissioned by the National Election Pool (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox News, and the Associated Press) to run exit polling and to "restore confidence in the whole election projection game". https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2004/11/exit-zone.html Instead, "national poll results projected a Kerry victory by 3.0%, whereas the official count had Bush winning by 2.5%." https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf

Edison/ Mitofsky did some footshuffling and debunked their own exit polls. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/politics/campaign/report-says-probl
ems-led-to-skewed-surveying-data.html
But USCountVotes, formed to examine the 2004 vote, commissioned a group of highly respected statisticians to examine the Edison/ Mitofsky explanation.
They asked themselves this: "The crucial question is whether these problems were part of a larger pattern. Were these issues collectively of sufficient magnitude to reverse the outcome of the election, or were they isolated incidents, procedurally disturbing but of little overall consequence? Under such circumstances we must rely on indirect evidence, such as exit polls, to ascertain the overall integrity of the official election results. The 2004 exit poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International ... (and) raised a red flag because they showed that Kerry had won the popular vote by a margin of 3%, while the official tally indicated a Bush victory by 2.5%." And they noted that "The report shows differences in within-precinct-error for different types of voting equipment. Precincts with paper ballots in rural precincts showed a median WPE of –0.9, consistent with chance, while all other technologies were associated with unexplained high WPE ..." Up to 10.3pct in fact. They found that the discrepancies were so widespread across so many states, so extreme in terms of numbers of votes, AND SO ONE-SIDED, that random chance could not have caused the discrepancies. They concluded: "The fact (was) that, in the 2004 election, all voting equipment technologies except paper ballots were associated with large unexplained exit poll discrepancies all favoring the same party ..."
And most importantly, they noted "Several methods have been used to estimate the probability that the national exit poll results would be as different as they were from the national popular vote by random chance. These estimates range from 1 in 16.5 million to 1 in 1,2403. No matter how one calculates it, the discrepancy cannot be attributed to chance."
The message to me is this: this wasn't random fate. It was done deliberately.
http://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofs
ky-Edison.pdf
https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf

And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

And since then we've been treated with endless un-evidenced claims like 'Russia rigged the election' while all of the previous real and unaddressed problems are hidden behind a wall of manufactured hype and hysteria ...

And now we have the 2020 election, with so many statistical anomalies going unaddressed.

There's plenty going wrong with US elections. As Signy noted elsewhere, it's everything from "gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.". But we COULD at least fix the voting process, with, also as Signy has noted elsewhere "paper ballots, hand-counted, in public" and a requirement for "voter ID" ... (I'd add a finger dipped in indelible ink.)

I'd bet Biden* (Biden* means the people behind the face, a Signy original) will just take the results and run, without bothering to look into the process. No democrat in government will. And no republican in government will either.



And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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(I'd add a finger dipped in indelible ink.)

How does this work for the most fraudulent form of Election Theft - the Mail In Ballot, as demanded by Karens of America?
I would accept a slice of fintertip to be mailed in with each mail-in Ballot.



"found that 4 million to 6 million votes of the 100 million cast last November were not counted"
Hate to break the news, but 6 million uncounted votes in Election Fraud central locations like CA, NY, IL, NJ, MA, VA, MN are inconsequential. It doesn't matter if there were another 10 million votes counted in those locations, Democrap Election Fraudsters wold have fabricated enough ballots for their side to take the Election anyhow.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I mentioned that in one of the other threads.

Gaylords full of mail-shopped ballots.

I worked in direct mail. Post Offices don't bulk mail things like votes for elections unless something is up.

Freakin hilarious. Color by number stuff here.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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