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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
So I was surfing one of the blogs I read on a daily basis (Eschaton) and saw a link to an article on Salon. The title of the article is, "The scandal sheet" and the author goes through and lists what they think are 34 scandals of the current administration along with the following information: brief description, why this is a problem, and what is being done about it. While I don't think that all of the things the author came up with qualify as a scandal, I was surprised at how many on the list I had heard about. Turns out I was familiar with 28 out of the 34.

I was curious about other fireflyfans awareness. So, quick question, how many of the 34 do you remember hearing something about?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/01/18/scandal/
* you may have to watch a short advert to get a day pass to read the article.

Oh, and for the record, here are the ones that I had NOT heard anything about: 4, 8, 14, 20, 26, and 27.

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History tells us that Lincoln was a politically ambitious lawyer who eagerly prostituted himself to northern industrialists who were unwilling to pay world prices for their raw materials and who, rather than practice real capitalism, enlisted brute government force — "sell to us at our price or pay a fine that'll put you out of business" — for dealing with uncooperative southern suppliers. That's what a tariff's all about. In support of this "noble principle", when southerners demonstrated what amounted to no more than token resistance, Lincoln permitted an internal war to begin that butchered more Americans than all of this country's foreign wars — before or afterward — rolled into one.

Lincoln saw the introduction of total war on the American continent — indiscriminate mass slaughter and destruction without regard to age, gender, or combat status of the victims — and oversaw the systematic shelling and burning of entire cities for strategic and tactical purposes. For the same purposes, Lincoln declared, rather late in the war, that black slaves were now free in the south — where he had no effective jurisdiction — while declaring at the same time, somewhat more quietly but for the record nonetheless, that if maintaining slavery could have won his war for him, he'd have done that, instead.

The fact is, Lincoln didn't abolish slavery at all, he nationalized it, imposing income taxation and military conscription upon what had been a free country before he took over — income taxation and military conscription to which newly "freed" blacks soon found themselves subjected right alongside newly-enslaved whites. If the civil war was truly fought against slavery — a dubious, "politically correct" assertion with no historical evidence to back it up — then clearly, slavery won.

Lincoln brought secret police to America, along with the traditional midnight "knock on the door", illegally suspending the Bill of Rights and, like the Latin America dictators he anticipated, "disappearing" thousands in the north whose only crime was that they disagreed with him. To finance his crimes against humanity, Lincoln allowed the printing of worthless paper money in unprecedented volumes, ultimately plunging America into a long, grim depression — in the south, it lasted half a century — he didn't have to live through, himself.

In the end, Lincoln didn't unite this country — that can't be done by force — he divided it along lines of an unspeakably ugly hatred and resentment that continue to exist almost a century and a half after they were drawn. If Lincoln could have been put on trial in Nuremburg for war crimes, he'd have received the same sentence as the highest-ranking Nazis.

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
The title of the article is, "The scandal sheet" and the author goes through and lists what they think are 34 scandals of the current administration along with the following information: brief description, why this is a problem, and what is being done about it.

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Yeah. ...whenever the discussion of why the Civil War was fought comes up I always ask myself one simple question: If I was a black man in the south, would I rather live pre-1861 or post-1865? It kind of puts everything else in perspective.

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In terms of the Salon article, I really don't care about most of the things they came up with. I was just surprised, more than anything else, by how little press some of them have gotten.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And it is a special kind of nutty to imply that if a Republican President had had extramarital sex in the Whitehouse and then perjured himself in a federal court, that it wouldn't be a scandal.

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Originally posted by rue:
Actually Bush Sr had a long-term mistress while President, when the Democrats held the Senate. But I suppose that doesn't count for some reason.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
But I’m sure a Democratic Congress would jump at the chance with glee.

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Originally posted by NeutrinoLad:

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I didn't see Bernard Kerik(sp?), the second bogus "news release" recently produced for local news consumption, the Hawaii trip by the Homeland Security staff, or W's staff's claim that the Clintons vandalized the White House before leaving. Remember that last one? I always liked that one.

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I remember when President Bush took office they said the Clinton Staffers removed all the "W" keys from the computer keyboards. ...
... Wacky fun - well hey, some people juggle geese.

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And so, what can we conclude?

That I spend way too much time paying attention to this stuff. I resolve to read only the sports page in future.

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He he, I'm going to stick with the cryptoquotes and the comics.

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Originally posted by NeutrinoLad:
And therein lies the problem.

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Originally posted by rue:
Finn,
Oh, I just made that comment to see how much of a hypocrite you are. I thought it would be amusing to watch you twist your integrity, honesty, and sense of reality to accommodate double, triple, quadruple, or any Nth degree standards to come up with the result you wanted. So here's some information. But don't expect me to reply to anything you might say. You performed beautifully, just like a trained chimp. But you was not as entertaining as I thought you might be.

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Originally posted by rue:
OK, I will reply. I did provide real info on republican presidents, senators, representatives, mayors, prosecutors etc who had mistresses while persecuting Clinton, while in office, out of office etc. But you blew by that. Why is that? Got no reply to data?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Clinton wasn’t impeached for getting a blowjob. He was impeached because there were so many scandals of such huge repercussion and so much corruption during his administration that people just got fed up with it.

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Originally posted by NeutrinoLad:
Which begs the question, how did Reagan, LBJ, W avoid the axe? Because, if you think the minor league antics of the Clintons (Whitewater, Hillary's futures trading, puh-lease) were justification for impeachment, whoo-hooo man do we have about a dozen doozies of legal procedures coming up against the current administration, boy howdy.

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Originally posted by rue:
Sen. Strom Thurmond Cheated on his fourth wife at age 88!!

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