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Downright creepifying - Chimeras
Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:53 AM
CONNORFLYNN
Quote:Maryann Mott National Geographic News January 25, 2005 Scientists have begun blurring the line between human and animal by producing chimeras—a hybrid creature that's part human, part animal. Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells. In Minnesota last year researchers at the Mayo Clinic created pigs with human blood flowing through their bodies. And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains. Scientists feel that, the more humanlike the animal, the better research model it makes for testing drugs or possibly growing "spare parts," such as livers, to transplant into humans. Watching how human cells mature and interact in a living creature may also lead to the discoveries of new medical treatments. But creating human-animal chimeras—named after a monster in Greek mythology that had a lion's head, goat's body, and serpent's tail—has raised troubling questions: What new subhuman combination should be produced and for what purpose? At what point would it be considered human? And what rights, if any, should it have? There are currently no U.S. federal laws that address these issues. Ethical Guidelines The National Academy of Sciences, which advises the U.S. government, has been studying the issue. In March it plans to present voluntary ethical guidelines for researchers. A chimera is a mixture of two or more species in one body. Not all are considered troubling, though. For example, faulty human heart valves are routinely replaced with ones taken from cows and pigs. The surgery—which makes the recipient a human-animal chimera—is widely accepted. And for years scientists have added human genes to bacteria and farm animals. What's caused the uproar is the mixing of human stem cells with embryonic animals to create new species. Biotechnology activist Jeremy Rifkin is opposed to crossing species boundaries, because he believes animals have the right to exist without being tampered with or crossed with another species. He concedes that these studies would lead to some medical breakthroughs. Still, they should not be done. "There are other ways to advance medicine and human health besides going out into the strange, brave new world of chimeric animals," Rifkin said, adding that sophisticated computer models can substitute for experimentation on live animals. "One doesn't have to be religious or into animal rights to think this doesn't make sense," he continued. "It's the scientists who want to do this. They've now gone over the edge into the pathological domain." David Magnus, director of the Stanford Center for Biomedical Ethics at Stanford University, believes the real worry is whether or not chimeras will be put to uses that are problematic, risky, or dangerous. Human Born to Mice Parents? For example, an experiment that would raise concerns, he said, is genetically engineering mice to produce human sperm and eggs, then doing in vitro fertilization to produce a child whose parents are a pair of mice. "Most people would find that problematic," Magnus said, "but those uses are bizarre and not, to the best of my knowledge, anything that anybody is remotely contemplating. Most uses of chimeras are actually much more relevant to practical concerns." Last year Canada passed the Assisted Human Reproduction Act, which bans chimeras. Specifically, it prohibits transferring a nonhuman cell into a human embryo and putting human cells into a nonhuman embryo. Cynthia Cohen is a member of Canada's Stem Cell Oversight Committee, which oversees research protocols to ensure they are in accordance with the new guidelines. She believes a ban should also be put into place in the U.S. Creating chimeras, she said, by mixing human and animal gametes (sperms and eggs) or transferring reproductive cells, diminishes human dignity. "It would deny that there is something distinctive and valuable about human beings that ought to be honored and protected," said Cohen, who is also the senior research fellow at Georgetown University's Kennedy Institute of Ethics in Washington, D.C. But, she noted, the wording on such a ban needs to be developed carefully. It shouldn't outlaw ethical and legitimate experiments—such as transferring a limited number of adult human stem cells into animal embryos in order to learn how they proliferate and grow during the prenatal period. Irv Weissman, director of Stanford University's Institute of Cancer/Stem Cell Biology and Medicine in California, is against a ban in the United States. "Anybody who puts their own moral guidance in the way of this biomedical science, where they want to impose their will—not just be part of an argument—if that leads to a ban or moratorium. … they are stopping research that would save human lives," he said. Mice With Human Brains Weissman has already created mice with brains that are about one percent human. Later this year he may conduct another experiment where the mice have 100 percent human brains. This would be done, he said, by injecting human neurons into the brains of embryonic mice. Before being born, the mice would be killed and dissected to see if the architecture of a human brain had formed. If it did, he'd look for traces of human cognitive behavior. Weissman said he's not a mad scientist trying to create a human in an animal body. He hopes the experiment leads to a better understanding of how the brain works, which would be useful in treating diseases like Alzheimer's or Parkinson's disease. The test has not yet begun. Weissman is waiting to read the National Academy's report, due out in March. William Cheshire, associate professor of neurology at the Mayo Clinic's Jacksonville, Florida, branch, feels that combining human and animal neurons is problematic. "This is unexplored biologic territory," he said. "Whatever moral threshold of human neural development we might choose to set as the limit for such an experiment, there would be a considerable risk of exceeding that limit before it could be recognized." Cheshire supports research that combines human and animal cells to study cellular function. As an undergraduate he participated in research that fused human and mouse cells. But where he draws the ethical line is on research that would destroy a human embryo to obtain cells, or research that would create an organism that is partly human and partly animal. "We must be cautious not to violate the integrity of humanity or of animal life over which we have a stewardship responsibility," said Cheshire, a member of Christian Medical and Dental Associations. "Research projects that create human-animal chimeras risk disturbing fragile ecosystems, endanger health, and affront species integrity."
Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:41 PM
MONTANAGIRL
Quote:Originally posted by Connorflynn: The mice with 1% human brains. I can see it now: "What we gonna do tonight Brain? " - unknown Mouse with 1% human brain (We'll call him Pinky) "What we do every night Pinky, Try and take over the DNC" - unknown Mouse with 10% human brain (We'll call him Brain) "Gnarf" - Unknown Mouse with 0% Human brain (We'll call him Terry)
Monday, January 31, 2005 9:34 AM
Monday, January 31, 2005 10:26 AM
SGTGUMP
Quote: You know..I thought about this a little bit more and started wondering. If this is so gorram public..what the hell is going on behind closed doors?!?!
Monday, January 31, 2005 10:41 AM
BARNSTORMER
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:16 PM
CYBERSNARK
Quote:Originally posted by sgtgump: they could be making human-mouse Chimeras in a basement in downtown Seattle, for all we know.
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:17 PM
NEEDLESEYE
Quote:Originally posted by Connorflynn: Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created.
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:44 PM
XENOCIDE
Quote:Originally posted by BarnStormer: Whenever I read some article or other like this, I can't help thinking of Kurt Vonneguts book "Ice 9" in which a scientist develops a form of water that freezes at room temperature (just to see if it could be done I guess).
Monday, January 31, 2005 3:50 PM
DANFAN
Quote:Originally posted by Connorflynn: If this is so gorram public..what the hell is going on behind closed doors?!?!
Monday, January 31, 2005 4:56 PM
Quote:What if some of the creatures we put on the other side of that "not-human" wall have some significant measure of humanity that we put into them?
Monday, January 31, 2005 5:29 PM
SOUPCATCHER
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 3:35 AM
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 8:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SoupCatcher: So I guess what I'm saying is that in our very recent history we've denied humanity to members of our own species in order to either exterminate or exploit them. I would expect us to act no differently to chimeras.
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 12:49 PM
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MOHRSTOUTBEARD
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 5:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by danfan: For those who hold that animals don't have emotions, they say that what appears to be emotion in the higher mammals is really "instinctive behavioral programming" that confers some survival advantage. The animals are really just complex organic automatons.
Quote:I seek to improve myself. The B4 does not.
Monday, February 14, 2005 12:44 PM
PIRATEJENNY
Wednesday, February 16, 2005 8:01 PM
JAZAF
Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:52 AM
FINN MAC CUMHAL
Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:54 PM
DTUCK
Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:11 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:45 PM
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Tuesday, February 22, 2005 5:57 PM
REEQUEEN
Quote:I'm on the fence with the issue. I'm just gonna cross that bridge when we come to it. Edited to say: I wouldn't mind gettin' my eyes upgraded though... *squints to see screen*
Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:48 AM
DIEGO
Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:26 PM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ReeQueen: We don't live in a comic book world, people. Honestly. There are no super villains breeding strains of monstrous-looking human-animal crossbreeds to annihilate the Two Legs. As with every other technological advance, there will be good things and bad things coming out of this research, and I betcha, the good things will outweigh the bad things by a very large margin.
Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:35 AM
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