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THUGR, I question AGAIN whether you even listened to your video.

It is, once again, A GUY OPINING over a bunch of distracting pictures (meaningless charts, USA soldiers in exercises, bigwigs sitting around a table) ...

And in it, like the previous video, he makes a number of assertions withiut a shred of data to back it up.

For example:" China has hollowed out the less developed countires of their resources and the more developed countries of their manufacturing. "


He makes this statement without reference to anyone's ACTUAL GDP TRENDS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

It's true that manufacturing in the collective west has been hollowed out. But that's not CHINA'S doing. It was the CEOS of multiple manufacturers who decided to relocate there.

What about the less developed world?

I dunno. China is investing huge amounts of money in infrastructure development ... roads, railways, ports, communications .. in central and western Asia (AKA the 'stans and the mideast) and Africa in exchange for raw materials. I understand China's model. They need to keep their population busy and out of trouble, and one way they can do that is import raw materials and export finished goods. They have turned away from the USA and the EU as a market and are turning to "the global south".

Whether that turns into a net positive for these less developed nations depends on whether the benefits are soaked up in internal corruotion and whether the leadership is forward thinking.

But Iranians, Syrians, and many African nations are currently in the midst of an economic boom. That's not "hollowed out". (BTW, not a big fan of China, but reality is is what reality is.)

His next topic is LACK OF FORWARD THINKING BY OUR POLITICAL CLASS.
Something I've been bitching about for decades.

Congress, he says, is a bunch of dummies.
Jeez, no shit.

He then says China is a landlocked country.
Has he not even looked at a map showing Chinas ginormous coastline???

OMFG, how can you trust anyone who makes such a boneheaded statement????

He says: "China is not our enemy. The DOD uses it to justify their budgets"

AT THAT POINT, I GAVE UP.

He hasn't even looked at a map, much less doing research into facts on the ground, for ANY of his statements.

No facts, no figures, no data, no thought.

For your own understanding of the world, you should insist on better, MUCH better, sources of information. Information that can be verified. Not somebody's glib blather.

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I keep telling you comrade to pay attention. He never said China was landlocked. 5 minutes into the video he talks about Afghanistan being landlocked and how us trying to set up a regional government there would never have worked.

Good for you though, you must have actually watched the video to notice that; even if you did hear it wrong.

Your whole complaint rests on the fact that you mistook what he was saying. I suggest you watch it again.

I have posted many videos of him now laying out the facts showing how and why America is poised to plunge into prosperity, while most of the rest of the world is faltering. Included in that are tons of good paying blue color manufacturing jobs. Pay attention comrade.

And back off the laughing when you are so obviously wrong. It makes you look like an idiot.

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Oh, fuck off THUGR.

I misheard one sentence.

But that was not my MAJOR concern, it was ONE EXAMPLE of my concern, not just with this video but EVERYTHING that I've heard so far from him:

NO DATA.
NO EVIDENCE.
NOTHING TO BACK UP HIS ASSERTIONS
PUSHING ASSERTIONS I KNOW ARE FACTUALLY WRONG.

His whole approach is contaminated.
He may by wrong.
He may be right.
How can anyone tell?
Can you, COMRADE?

So yeah, harp on one issue, but ignore the main problem.
It just makes you look dishonest.

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BTW not a fan of China. I have long criticized their economic and financial policies. One of their boneheaded policies is throwing their not- inconsiderable national wealth, provincial bonds, and individual savings into The Next Big Thing, whether that is Belt and Road, EV manufacturing, infrastructure over- development, or real estate speculation. Also, their dependence on being an exporting nation with a positive balqnce of trade (the Japan and S Korea model). I think those are stupid decisions based on expediency. So, yeah, China: good luck with that.

But don't we see a lot of expediency here, too?

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THUGR: This belt and road video is in response to your posting how it was a good thing.

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BTW not a fan of China. I have long criticized their economic and financial policies. One of their boneheaded policies is throwing their not- inconsiderable national wealth, provincial bonds, and individual savings into The Next Big Thing, whether that is Belt and Road, EV manufacturing, infrastructure over- development, or real estate speculation. Also, their dependence on being an exporting nation with a positive balqnce of trade (the Japan and S Korea model). I think those are stupid decisions based on expediency. So, yeah, China: good luck with that.

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THUGR: This belt and road video is in response to your posting how it was a good thing.

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OMFG.

Are you being stupid on purpose??????

I never posted that it was "a good thing!"

In fact, I criticized it, along with China's other Next Big Thing projects.

YOU EVEN QUOTED IT IN YOUR RESPONSE!

Here, let me help you with your reading comprehension!

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BTW not a fan of China. I have long criticized their economic and financial policies. One of their boneheaded policies is throwing their not- inconsiderable national wealth, provincial bonds, and individual savings into The Next Big Thing, whether that is Belt and Road, EV manufacturing, infrastructure over- development, or real estate speculation. Also, their dependence on being an exporting nation with a positive balqnce of trade (the Japan and S Korea model). I think those are stupid decisions based on expediency. So, yeah, China: good luck with that.

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Jeez!! I may have a problem with my hearing, but you have a problem with your brain!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

THUGR, I question AGAIN whether you even listened to your video.

It is, once again, A GUY OPINING over a bunch of distracting pictures (meaningless charts, USA soldiers in exercises, bigwigs sitting around a table) ...

And in it, like the previous video, he makes a number of assertions withiut a shred of data to back it up.

For example:" China has hollowed out the less developed countires of their resources and the more developed countries of their manufacturing. "
He makes this statement without reference to anyone's ACTUAL GDP TRENDS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

It's true that manufacturing in the collective west has been hollowed out. But that's not CHINA'S doing. It was the CEOS of multiple manufacturers who decided to relocate there.

What about the less developed world?

I dunno. China is investing huge amounts of money in infrastructure development ... roads, railways, ports, communications .. in central and western Asia (AKA the 'stans and the mideast) and Africa in exchange for raw materials. I understand China's model. They need to keep their population busy and out of trouble, and one way they can do that is import raw materials and export finished goods. They have turned away from the USA and the EU as a market and are turning to "the global south".

Whether that turns into a net positive for these less developed nations depends on whether the benefits are soaked up in internal corruotion and whether the leadership is forward thinking.

But Iranians, Syrians, and many African nations are currently in the midst of an economic boom. That's not "hollowed out". (BTW, not a big fan of China, but reality is is what reality is.)[/font]

His next topic is LACK OF FORWARD THINKING BY OUR POLITICAL CLASS.
Something I've been bitching about for decades.

Congress, he says, is a bunch of dummies.
Jeez, no shit.

He then says China is a landlocked country.
Has he not even looked at a map showing Chinas ginormous coastline???

OMFG, how can you trust anyone who makes such a boneheaded statement????

He says: "China is not our enemy. The DOD uses it to justify their budgets"

AT THAT POINT, I GAVE UP.

He hasn't even looked at a map, much less doing research into facts on the ground, for ANY of his statements.

No facts, no figures, no data, no thought.

For your own understanding of the world, you should insist on better, MUCH better, sources of information. Information that can be verified. Not somebody's glib blather.

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You're talking China up here moron. You've changed your perspective to save pride. I destroyed you with facts.

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THUGR: This belt and road video is in response to your posting how it was a good thing.

SIGNY:

OMFG.
Are you being stupid on purpose??????
I never posted that it was "a good thing!"
In fact, I criticized it, along with China's other Next Big Thing projects.
YOU EVEN QUOTED IT IN YOUR RESPONSE!

Here, let me help you with your reading comprehension!

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BTW not a fan of China. I have long criticized their economic and financial policies. One of their boneheaded policies is throwing their not- inconsiderable national wealth, provincial bonds, and individual savings into The Next Big Thing, whether that is Belt and Road, EV manufacturing, infrastructure over- development, or real estate speculation. Also, their dependence on being an exporting nation with a positive balqnce of trade (the Japan and S Korea model). I think those are stupid decisions based on expediency. So, yeah, China: good luck with that.

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Jeez!! I may have a problem with my hearing, but you have a problem with your brain!



THUGR QUOTING SIGNY:

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THUGR, I question AGAIN whether you even listened to your video.

It is, once again, A GUY OPINING over a bunch of distracting pictures (meaningless charts, USA soldiers in exercises, bigwigs sitting around a table) ...

And in it, like the previous video, he makes a number of assertions withiut a shred of data to back it up.

For example:" China has hollowed out the less developed countires of their resources and the more developed countries of their manufacturing. "
He makes this statement without reference to anyone's ACTUAL GDP TRENDS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

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It's true that manufacturing in the collective west has been hollowed out. But that's not CHINA'S doing. It was the CEOS of multiple manufacturers who decided to relocate there.

What about the less developed world?

I dunno. China is investing huge amounts of money in infrastructure development ... roads, railways, ports, communications .. in central and western Asia (AKA the 'stans and the mideast) and Africa in exchange for raw materials. I understand China's model. They need to keep their population busy and out of trouble, and one way they can do that is import raw materials and export finished goods. They have turned away from the USA and the EU as a market and are turning to "the global south".

Whether that turns into a net positive for these less developed nations depends on whether the benefits are soaked up in internal corruotion and whether the leadership is forward thinking.

But Iranians, Syrians, and many African nations are currently in the midst of an economic boom. That's not "hollowed out". (BTW, not a big fan of China, but reality is is what reality is.)

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You're talking China up here moron. You've changed your perspective to save pride. I destroyed you with facts.

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You're talking China up here moron. You've changed your perspective to save pride. I destroyed you with facts.

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I'm going to guess that your mind wasn't blown by Ted's TED Talk, huh Sigs?



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"Stalin, not because of who he was or what he did but by who he SCARED.... US "
I guess beating the Nazis wasn't very important.
Neither was helping to chase the Japs out of China, and saving the fledging nationalist and, eventually, communist government.
Since those didn't affect US, directly, in his mind it never happened..

"We changed how everything would work"
Everything? Did we change anything in Africa? S and Central America? India? Asia?

"We had to change how "the world" worked"
The world? Same question.

So that any one could safely go anywhere, interface with any market, any community, any commodity.."
Except the Warsaw pact countries, China, and S and Central American nations who were in thrall to the USA.
"We" were not about "free trade".
What we are about was maintaining our grip on our economic and financial colonies, including the Mideast (oil), Chile (copper) etc. And we regime-changed a bunchnif nations to keep it that way.

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I think you see where I'm going with this, THUGR. Altho he pretends to be a geopolitical wizard. Zeihan has a blind spot as big as the entire non- Western world.

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Fuck off Ted.

You wouldn't know how to read a chart if you were presented with one.

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Second reads an article form some far leftist website or person and suddenly that becomes his thoughts in the moment. He has no ability to rationalize or question anything. He simply just is the propaganda at this point.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Stalin, not because of who he was or what he did but by who he SCARED.... US "
I guess beating the Nazis wasn't very important.
Neither was helping to chase the Japs out of China, and saving the fledging nationalist and, eventually, communist government.
Since those didn't affect US, directly, in his mind it never happened..

"We changed how everything would work"
Everything? Did we change anything in Africa? S and Central America? India? Asia?

"We had to change how "the world" worked"
The world? Same question.

So that any one could safely go anywhere, interface with any market, any community, any commodity.."
Except the Warsaw pact countries, China, and S and Central American nations who were in thrall to the USA.
"We" were not about "free trade".
What we are about was maintaining our grip on our economic and financial colonies, including the Mideast (oil), Chile (copper) etc. And we regime-changed a bunchnif nations to keep it that way.

*****

I think you see where I'm going with this, THUGR. Altho he pretends to be a geopolitical wizard. Zeihan has a blind spot as big as the entire non- Western world.


THUGR: Ok comrade, let's see charts and graphs with numbers to back up what you ranted about. It's why you criticized Ziehan, and why I posted a video of his with charts, graphs and numbers. Or are you nothing but bullshit? Come on, show us the evidence showing you are correct.

Waiting here...

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So, I listened to the video. The premises of his entire talk are that

1) China isn't going to exist in 10 years thanks to very low/ unsustainable birth rates (there goes cheap labor) and
2) Commodities from Russia will be unavailable bc Russia won't be able to keep up with the engineering and repair required by the harsh Siberian environment
3) Supply chains are unsustainably complex, some requiring 1,700 separate inputs (IIRC), each step constituting a potential point of failure, and requiring everything to work perfectly smoothly for continued production.

Well, I will have to independently research his premises on China and Russia to see if they're true.

But the upshot of what he is saying is that the USA needs to re-industrialize and untangle its supply chains, and since our working-age population is going to dip about then, we need to invest in automation.

I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR RE-INDUSTRIALIZATION SINCE WHENEVER!

I have been pointing out that we are still blessed with continental scale resources, we need to make ourselves less vulnerable to external shocks and internal natural disasters by not only re- industrializing but by duplicating production into different regions and dialing back on "just in time" deliveries, so if our chip fabs in Houston are flattened by a hurricane (for example) or our fully automated textile factory in N Carolina burns down, our stockpiles and factories elsewhere can limp along.

WHY IZZIT THAT IF ZEIHAN SAYS THIS, HE'S A WIZARD, BUT IF I say it, I'm a "comrade", COMRADE?

THIS, BTW, is the "Russian model", which aims to be as independent of other nations as possinle. As opposed to the "Chinese model" which absolutely deoends on global trade.

You're such a brainless tool, you can't even parse what people are saying, or why.


I also agree with him that green energy is not gonna work everywhere and, if attempted everywhere, will be net carbon positive.

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Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Stalin, not because of who he was or what he did but by who he SCARED.... US "
I guess beating the Nazis wasn't very important.
Neither was helping to chase the Japs out of China, and saving the fledging nationalist and, eventually, communist government.
Since those didn't affect US, directly, in his mind it never happened..

"We changed how everything would work"
Everything? Did we change anything in Africa? S and Central America? India? Asia?

"We had to change how "the world" worked"
The world? Same question.

So that any one could safely go anywhere, interface with any market, any community, any commodity.."
Except the Warsaw pact countries, China, and S and Central American nations who were in thrall to the USA.
"We" were not about "free trade".
What we are about was maintaining our grip on our economic and financial colonies, including the Mideast (oil), Chile (copper) etc. And we regime-changed a bunchnif nations to keep it that way.

*****

I think you see where I'm going with this, THUGR. Altho he pretends to be a geopolitical wizard. Zeihan has a blind spot as big as the entire non- Western world.


THUGR: Ok comrade, let's see charts and graphs with numbers to back up what you ranted about. It's why you criticized Ziehan, and why I posted a video of his with charts, graphs and numbers. Or are you nothing but bullshit? Come on, show us the evidence showing you are correct.

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It's not a "rant".

I'm just pointing out logical inconsistencies in his first few statements, which all point in the same direction: Everything important that happened, happened in or to the western world + Japan (which in HIS mind is "the world") and everyplace else doesn't rate even a thought.

AFA the "demographic transition", it is such a well-known concept even Wikipedia has an entry on it. But if you were to do a websearch on it you'd find dozens of models and predictions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

Birth rates: He talks about how "the world" was affected. Looking at even present-day birth rates, it's clear that this has not happened throughout the world, and it happened in the Soviet Union, which was isolated from western trade by the self-imposed Iron Curtain.

World birth rates



Different maps show different rates with different levels of granularity but the source of this map has quite a few for comparison.
https://mungfali.com/explore/World-Birth-Rate

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If you believe Zeihan, one of the most populated countries in the world, China, is about to undergo a population crash, and all of the industrialized and all of the industrializing nations are already shrinking or will soon.

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Also, by looking at world birth rates, the best way to reduce population growth is to industrialize, urbanize, and improve the standard of living.

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THUGR, are you bring dense on purpose???

I didn't say he was "wrong" about China. I said I needed to independently research it.

Jeezus fucking Christ, THUGR. Having a discussion with you is impossible bc you CONSTANTLY misunderstand or misrepresent what people are saying!

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I misheard.

YOU misrepresent. Everything about me and everything I post.
Seriously, dood, what's up with that???

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Because you are a Russian troll. What you present is always a wrongheaded interpretation of the facts.

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He presented some population distribution charts of China, then a "corrected" population chart of China, then claimed that even THOSE were incorrect and overstated China's under 40 population by 100-300 million.

Do other researchers agree?

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Yep, the guy China arrested for making these figures public. listen to Zeihan again, he explained where the numbers came from.

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Here are a couple of stats to bang against:

If China's one-child policy so severely crimped population, seeing as how the Chinese prefer male children to female and would have selectively aborted the first child if it was female, there should be a large imbalance of males v females in the under-40 population. Is there?

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Subjective and irrelevant. Ziehan didn't need gender statistics to breakdown Chinas' population troubles. Why oh why couldn't you figure this out for your self?

However, For years, the census data in China has recorded a significant imbalance in the sex ratio toward the male population, meaning there are fewer women than men. This phenomenon is sometimes referred to as the missing women or missing girls of China.

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If China has such a deficit of young people, why is there concurrent unemployment in the same demographic, as Zeihan also claims?

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Any labour shortage is from the mismatch between what the workers can offer, and what skill set the job require, also known as structural unemployment.

Structural unemployment is a long-lasting form of unemployment caused by fundamental shifts in an economy and exacerbated by technology, competition, and government policy.

Boy, you don't know much about anything do you.

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You are seriously dishonest, THUGR. Instead of trying to understand what someone is saying, or figure things out for yourself, you want to "win" every argument at any cost, even if you look really, really stupid and dishonest doing it.

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The problem is you. You're dishonest and therefore what you post is propaganda not facts. All your challenges to Peter Ziehan and myself were because you weren't interested in facts; just trolling. This is always the case with you. And as is always the case with you, you are easy to smack down.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I misheard.

YOU misrepresent. Everything about me and everything I post.
Seriously, dood, what's up with that???


THG: Because you are a Russian troll. What you present is always a wrongheaded interpretation of the facts.

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SIGNY: He presented some population distribution charts of China, then a "corrected" population chart of China, then claimed that even THOSE were incorrect and overstated China's under 40 population by 100-300 million.

Do other researchers agree?

THG: Yep, the guy

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China arrested for making these figures public. listen to Zeihan again, he explained where the numbers came from.

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SIGNY: Here are a couple of stats to bang against:

If China's one-child policy so severely crimped population, seeing as how the Chinese prefer male children to female and would have selectively aborted the first child if it was female, there should be a large imbalance of males v females in the under-40 population. Is there?

THG: Subjective and irrelevant. Ziehan didn't need gender statistics to breakdown Chinas' population troubles. Why oh why couldn't you figure this out for your self?

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THUGR: However, For years, the census data in China has recorded a significant imbalance in the sex ratio toward the male population, meaning there are fewer women than men. This phenomenon is sometimes referred to as the missing women or missing girls of China.

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SIGNY: If China has such a deficit of young people, why is there concurrent unemployment in the same demographic, as Zeihan also claims?

THG: Any labour shortage is from the mismatch between what the workers can offer, and what skill set the job require, also known as structural unemployment.
Structural unemployment is a long-lasting form of unemployment caused by fundamental shifts in an economy and exacerbated by technology, competition, and government policy.
Boy, you don't know much about anything do you.

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SIGNY: You are seriously dishonest, THUGR. Instead of trying to understand what someone is saying, or figure things out for yourself, you want to "win" every argument at any cost, even if you look really, really stupid and dishonest doing it.

THG: The problem is you. You're dishonest and therefore what you post is propaganda not facts. All your challenges to Peter Ziehan and myself were because you weren't interested in facts; just trolling. This is always the case with you. And as is always the case with you, you are easy to smack down.

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Some early research into the sex ratio imbalance pointed to sex-selective abortion practices in the wake of China's one-child policy.[4][5] However, a number of studies have concluded that China's sex ratio was in fact closer to the norm, with population statistics skewed by age because of the number of rural people who did not register their baby girls (i.e., so that they could avoid China's family planning policies).[6]:?175–176? These studies observed that the sex ratio began to even out around 7 years old, when children were registered for school.[6]:?176? Similarly, in December 2016, researchers at the University of Kansas reported that the missing women might be largely a result of administrative under-reporting and that delayed registration of females, instead of sex-selective abortion practices, which could account for as many as 10 to 15 million of the missing women since 1982.[7][8] Researchers found unreported females appear on government censuses decades later due to delayed registration, as families tried to avoid penalties when girls were born, which implies that the sex disparity was likely exaggerated significantly in previous analyses.[9][10][11]

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THUGR, who can never quite seem to back up his posts with FACTS!

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Are these more of those "Trump is colluding with Russia/ Russian bank communicates with Trump Tower/ Russia is running out of missiles/ lasers can shoot hypersonic missiles out of the sky/ China is going to disappear in 10 years" videos?

If not, and they have actual evidence (extended videos or quotes, not snipped, out of context clips, documents etc) and verifiable FACTS from sources that don't have a hx of lying egregiously, then I'll listen.

Otherwise you need to vet your info more carefully. Bc I don't have time for nonsense and lies.

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